Bug Selig to step down after 2012!!!!!!!!
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 28, 2009 9:17 AM CST
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Commissioner Bud Selig plans to step down in 2012, reports Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribute.
Selig has been convinced to stay on as commissioner in years past, but sounds rather adamant that 2011 will be his final year. Not uncoincidentally, 2011 is also the year the new collective bargaining agreement needs to be struck. Selig will best be known for adding the Wild Card, interleague play, calling the 2002 All-Star Game as a tie and beginning the integration of instant replay into the game. Favorites to replace Selig are his right-hand men of Bob DuPuy and Rob Manfred along with Orioles general manager Andy MacPhail. Source: Boston Herald
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There is a God!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnHksDFHTQI
Easily the worst commissioner in pro sports, where does he rank in MLB history?
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
I wouldnt say easily
Gary Bettman is very close to him
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Gary Bettman is a much, much worse
commissioner than Selig ever thought of being.
Hockey has pretty much moved backwards in public consciousness over his tenure.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
yeah Bettman takes this cake
and it really isn’t even close.
Atlanta THRASHERS
Nashville PREDATORS
Minnesota WILD
Columbus BLUE JACKETS
announced after he began, but in place before he started
MIGHTY DUCKS of Anaheim
How any commish can allow 5 horrific team names to come into existance in less than a 10 year period is beyond me. Save the Devil Rays reference. It doesn’t even compare to those 5.
Stern is worse
Selig let the steroids thing play out and has made countless idiotic moves, but Stern has allowed the NBA to become an absolute joke.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Until the threat from Congress came into play, Selig was powerless to do anything about steroids
The player’s union only agreed to testing after it became apparent that if they didn’t, Congress was going to intervene. The question isn’t why didn’t Selig do something sooner, but whether Selig engineered the involvement with Congress?
happy happy joy joy
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
I'd be more excited if this said
TOM HICKS IS NO LONGER OWNER OF THE TEXAS RANGERS!!!!!!!!
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
yes
but next to having a new owner named this is GREAT news!! Especially since I was expecting this right now.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Selig
The financial condition of MLB has improved more under Selig than any other commissioner in history. It’s not even close.
Everyone may hate him, but his tenure has been incredibly successful.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions
The game itself has suffered great damage under his leadership, I believe.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly how?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
DirecTV, blackout policy, allowing consistent horrible press about his sport, replay
Just to name a few.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Blackout policy
preexists Bud.
Allowing Horrible press? Really?
replay? Following previous commissioners.
I don’t know the DirecTV issue you are speaking about, but pretty much every previous commissioner did the first three things.
So, I don’t think you can say the game suffered great damage. Maybe he didn’t fix what you see as great damage, but most of the issues you cite go back to Bowie Kuhn or farther.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
You're right.
He’s the best commissioner of all time.
And the Cowboys suck.
My bad.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say he was the best commissioner of all time.
But saying that the game has suffered great damage under his leadership without having any good reasons just kind of makes you look foolish.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I know you don't care about it...
and frankly, I don’t really care about it either, but the steroid issue is a pretty big one and most of it fell under Selig’s watch.
The 1994 strike, as well. Both of those issues were major blows to the league’s credibility for a decent chunk of fans.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Fans
Neither the steroid issue nor the strike prevented major league attendance from steadily increasing from 1995 until the current recession.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
there are plenty of bands who have seen their record sales increase when they hire a bigshot producer and get the backing of a major label marketing machine. that doesnt mean the quality of their product is any better. again, you are failing to acknowledge the distinction between the financial success of baseball and the overall quality of the product.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Quality of the product
I understand the perceived distinction between the financial success of baseball and the overall quality of the product. However, given that ticket prices have consistently increased, and yet more and more people continued to go to games, it would appear that the market has spoken and a significant element of the fan base doesn’t agree with you.
I’m not a fan of Bud Selig, but I certainly don’t see him as this Darth Vader-like character that has ruined the game of baseball, particularly when two of the primary things used to criticize him (the 1994 strike and the steriod issue) have every bit as much to do with the union than with Selig.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I would caution against judgments about whether or not the fan base agrees or doesnt agree with me. For one, I havent made any statement one way or another about my feelings on the quality of the product that baseball has put out there.
Also, whether or not the majority of the fan base embraces the product has little bearing on its inherent quality. Popularity is compelling as evidence that selig has made the game profitable, but it is independent of a discussion on quality.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Steroid issue
also preexists Bud, probably back to Bowie Kuhn’s reign, at least.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Yeah...
no reason for Selig to worry about doing anything about it, then.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Steroids
were great for Baseball on balance. The Sosa/McGwire HR race got the sport going after sport. And for all the braying jackasses whining about steroids, attendance has been up since steroid gate. Until the economy hit a downturn, there isn’t any evidence that steroids ever really hurt the business of baseball.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I know that's what...
YOU think. You certainly aren’t in the majority on how it effected the integrity of the game, however.
Selig is responsible for getting as many butts in the seats for the business side of the game, but he’s also going to be viewed on how well he upheld the game’s integrity.
I think he failed pretty mightily at that.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Steriods
Selig couldn’t have done anything about them anyway, since Don Fehr and Gene Orza weren’t going to let him.
Yeah, Selig could have tried to do more, earlier. But that issue is much more the fault of the union and not MLB.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
So dumb.
Stealing money also predated Madoff.
Guess he should be set free.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
The reasons are sound
Your rebuttal was, essentially “Nuh uh!” which doesn’t exactly make you look like Einstein.
And of course commissioners 60 years ago had to worry about which satellite provider should carry their shit and alienate fans.
Duh. Silly me.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm talking about
Shutting out growth and alienating fans.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Ah. Does DirecTV get MLB Network though?
I always get that and Dish mixed up, and just took a shot. You should get cable either way though.
so the commissioner’s job is to simply repeat the mistakes of his predecessors?
the fact that certain problems didn’t start and end with him may deflect some blame, but he’s had two decades to address these things. with that sort of buck-passing logic, the big leagues wouldn’t be integrated yet.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Before Selig
Cable/Satellite/FiOS weren’t around or as popular as they are now. People should be able to watch every game their team plays in even if they are a Rangers fan living in Austin (as an example). Selig has done absolutely nothing to address any of the blackout issues people deal with each year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It preexists Bud?
You consider that a viable excuse?
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 29, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Selig
He works for the owners.
This is a business, and his tenture has been incredibly successful in making baseball a better business for the owners he works for.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
You're using
A shareholder analogy that you pretty much just made up.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
I’m using an analogy that I just made up?
Are you suggesting that I just woke up this morning and decided that, “hey, baseball is a business”?
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Turning a blind eye on steroids will do that.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 28, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Not to be a total Godwin's law shill
But I’m fairly certain that German unemployment decreased drastically under Hitler.
Of course, the method behind that reduction leaves something to be desired.
by brettgardner on Nov 28, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank goodness...
baseball could be much more enjoyable (if that’s even possible) in a couple years with no Hicks or Selig involved.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
and a lot less ugly too...
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
by BigGuns on Nov 28, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
how about
home field goes to the losing league from last year
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
not as much as relying on the winner of an exhibition game to determine home field
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
ASG deciding home field
One of the stupid things Bud has done.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 28, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
If the purpose of the ASG is to recognize and showcase the players for the benefit of the fans,
having the ASG decide homefield advantage would seem to defeat the primary intent of the game.
by swampdonkey on Nov 28, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
it seems like an unfair way to me. and do the players really care more? i strongly doubt it.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
i don't see why they would care more
when the majority of them aren’t going to be in the WS
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The majority of them
think they have a shot at going to the WS though.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
If that were true...
why is it that every year, about 10 of the selected players claim to have suddenly injured themselves and would rather do ANYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD than play an extra baseball game.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
And
I don’t honestly believe that the guys from the Royals are really out their busting their tails thinking, damn, we gotta get home field advantage for the Yankees this Fall…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 28, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
funny how you say
“guys” plural from the Royals
Except
the vast majority of players in the game have reasonable expectations of making the playoffs at midseason.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Why would any player willingly sign with the Pirates
Some people simply aren’t in it for winning, and would rather sit back and get paid their normal salary than play another game
Well...
for that matter, why would anyone sign with the Texas Rangers?
I think the players think “This one counts!” is a joke, as well.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 28, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Personally,
I like that change. I know other folks don’t like it.
I don’t see it being any more inherently unfair than alternating every year.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
When just about every player is expected to play in the ASG if they are there
then it does become inherently unfair
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I really don't care
To me, it’s a “so what….”
It’s just not a big deal, and it’s certainly no worse than alternating every year, as you said.
To bring it up as a reason that Selig has been a failure as a commissioner seems like a pretty good stretch to me.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 28, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
im in the same camp
it really doesnt affect my enjoyment of the ASG one way or the other.
it is worth bringing up when it is pointed to as one of selig’s great accomplishments during his tenure, which it sometimes is.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 28, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just not sure
that any commissioner that the owners want is going to be liked by all the fans.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
considering that the previous method
was to alternate by year, which is equally pointless; I don’t see how Bud ruined anything by making the ASG the deciding factor. Pretty much every solution is imperfect.
Yeah, Bud hasn’t been perfect in his reign. He’s almost certainly been in charge for too long. But he’s not nearly as awful a leader as people tend to make him out to be. He’s charged with making sure his 30 employers (the owners) are happy, he has to balance his decisions with the players and the umpire unions. He has to keep one step ahead of the other sports/leagues competing for the same fan’s dollar.
It isn’t an easy job, and while it is easy to point out the small things that were misguided and offensive (Spiderman bases were my favorite horror move); generally he’s done as well as anyone could have in the post-strike era.
Go Rice Owls!
Even the Mayans?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 28, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
At last report, the Mayan contingent is out to lunch
and hasn’t returned to the teepee yet.
by swampdonkey on Nov 28, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There was a subject?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 29, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
What I don't get
is reading the ESPN headline, their are people begging him to stay…Who are these people???
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 28, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions
I figured
that was the answer.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 28, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
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