Fire up the hot stove
by tricer on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 PM CST
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TR has an article up about some of the Rangers offseason plans.
Says Vizquel could be resigned in the next couple weeks. I don't think you could find a better fit for the utility spot.
Byrd wants to test the market. Say all the right things, offer him arb, and express deep regret when he signs elsewhere.
Rangers looking for a RH middle of the order bat. Mentions Dye, Vlad, Sheffield, Glaus and Tatis. Note to the old school brother: you have a RH middle of the order masher on the roster, quit batting him 7th.
Ownership situation probably won't be resolved in time to affect the offseason plans. Of course... whenever it appears that Ranger fans have a reason for optimism, ahh shit, nevermind.
Servais is working with Salty and monitoring his rehab. Club is evaluating his status while considering bringing back Pudge. Have a feeling that catcher production is going to suck again next year.
Blalock and Andruw ain't coming back. The Hefty Lefty is expected to retire.
Apparently CJ to the rotation is at least a consideration. Hopefully just to appease him, dude doesn't have a starter's arsenal or mindset.
Lots of good stuff there. I'm hoping to see a big trade and some smaller ones because I don't see anything on the FA bargain bin that would improve the team enough to really be a strong contender going into the season.
And an OT note that I heard on the Ticket at lunch today, did anybody hear Teixeira's comments after the game? He said that he's been faithful and that God rewarded him by leading him to the Yankees. Go have a white wine spritzer with Bitch Tits and shut up, you doucheface.
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Get ready for Troy Glaus
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Nov 5, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not the
worst thing.
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by coolaid on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty bad
Glaus sucks. He’s old and injury prone. He’s the same old worn down player we sign. We need someone better
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by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus
Put up a .371 wOBA in 2008 for the Cards. He’s a couple years older than Bradley and Johnson, but he’s still good at walking (13.7% career rate) and was pretty good as recently as Milton was. He probably could provide similar production to the other two out of the DH spot if he’s healthy. The “if” part is the concern.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with that...
if Board Game can’t be had.
Have to be realistic here. The Rangers don’t have the money for a big name FA bat. Dye would also interest me if the price is right.
The other option is via trade in which they would have to deal prospects. I’m not against that, depending on the prospects of course, but we shall see.
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by slc ranger on Nov 5, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free agent market
doesn’t seem to have a lot to offer in the way of bats unless you want to overpay Bay or Holliday. A bunch of has beens and wannabes. Glaus can at least take a walk. I still think Bradley is the best option if he can be had cheaply.
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by t ball on Nov 5, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will puke if we go into 2010 with someone like Tatis, Vlad, Sheffield or Dye as our new offensive anchor
JD has to be able to do better than that.
Of course, “better than that” likely means Nick Johnson, Bradley or Glaus, who all carry a risk factor themselves but it’s still better than the has-been patrol.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that Dye is a has been
just because he had a bad 2nd half last year, but I’d rather get a guy like Dunn.
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by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why the Tex hate?
but, i’m glad there’s some rangers stuff out there now…love the hot stove/rumors/etc…
i don’t like any of those names…just go get bradley, peruse AAA/AAAA type MRPs, sign/trade for a couple and call it an offseason.
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by Longhorn on Nov 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
“Apparently CJ to the rotation is at least a consideration. Hopefully just to appease him, dude doesn’t have a starter’s arsenal or mindset.”
I like his pitching arsenal. He deserves another shot just because of that. Not to mention he is a lefty. And from the way it sounds from others here, this ball park favors lefties. Wouldn’t you at least want to try it?
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by NYTXFAN on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, it hurts the pen and blocks Feliz
Less people in front of Feliz = better lives for everyone involved except for Rangers opponents.
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by jdh90 on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
???
like his pitching arsenal
He’s a 2 pitch pitcher and he’s already 28.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 5, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not gonna lie I thought he had multiple pitches,
I don’t really get to see many games and experience his pitching living in NY. If that is the case then he should be in the pen.
He is 28 that isn’t exactly old. He is in his prime you would think. Either way, bullpen or rotation he is a mature experienced pitcher that has shown flashes of dominance.
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by NYTXFAN on Nov 6, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he had a lot of pitches, too
If I remember correctly, earlier in his career, before he became a late innings reliever, he was known for having lots of pitches. Too many pitches, actually. When he became a reliever, he was told to just focus on a couple of pitches.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 6, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the same
he was often criticized for having too many pitches and trying to think too much.
I can only assume they are meaning he has 2 solid pitches, but i think given some time to prep as a starter he could bring the change and curve back and be effective.
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by rentz on Nov 6, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sayonara
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
There is a reason CJ is in the bullpen. It is the same reason we are so frustrated with him when he pitches. He just cannot consistently command his pitches.
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by RangerMad on Nov 5, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agee there is a reason he is there,
I remember seeing him pitch on ESPN his first year and thinking this guy aint gonna make it in the rotation. But to me he has gotten better and deserves a look in spring training.
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by NYTXFAN on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His first year (as a starter)
He was grossly overmatched and coming back from injury (IIRC).
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by bking on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which makes sense
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by NYTXFAN on Nov 7, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would
probably get through 4 innings while throwing 100 pitches.
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by coolaid on Nov 5, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
If we’re considering putting CJ in the roto, we might as well just go out and sign Rich Harden.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not a bad signing if you ask me
when he pitches he’s one of the best in the game. it’s just a problem of knowing when he’ll be able to pitch.
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by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a 5-6 inning pitcher nowadays though
Personally, I’d like to Kerry Wood his ass and stick him at the back of the bullpen. Him, CJ and Frankie would make a badass late-inning combo.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea really
Harden out of the pen would be Smoltz esque. He’s still young, so if he can stay healthy out of the pen for a couple years, he could return to the rotation.
i would definitely like the idea of Harden, FX2, CJ, O’Day in our pen plus the number of other arms available and callups such as Strop, and Schep
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by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden...
will cost way too much for the Rangers to be a starter, much less come out of the ’pen for them.
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by slc ranger on Nov 6, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would excite me
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by tricer on Nov 6, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would cost way too much
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 6, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he's only had 1 year of an OPS above .800
last year he had a .680 OPS.
No thank you, especially considering what he’ll cost.
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's just 25
and coming off a 680 OPS season would be the perfect time to buy on him if you believe in the talent, which I do – pending the health of his shoulder.
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by tricer on Nov 6, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he had 380+ OBP at age 22 and 23
plus he is a premier CF defender. As AJM would say, he’s a high beta player, but I think as he enter his prime years, he’s a great one to bet on. IMO, his floor is roughly comparable to Borbon’s ceiling.
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by tricer on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
premier CF defense accentuated by laziness
I think you are understating Borbon. Borbon’s ceiling is a .300 15 HR – 60 SB. I’m not worried about Borbon in CF either. He can cover alot of ground. It’s just his arm is weaker, and there are plenty of great CFs with that deficiency. You control Borbon for 3 or 4 more years than you would BJ, and Upton is now reaching arbitration so he will cost quite a bit more than Borbon. I think you get more value out of Borbon, and you can put the money elsewhere.
You seem to be banking that since Upton is going into his prime years, he will be this great hitter. That is possible, but that is merely a projection that does not have a foundation in his history. Usually when a player has been in the big leagues for 3+ years, you have an idea of who they are regardless of age. I’d like to give Borbon the shot, and instead use our resources to trade for Nolasco or Dunn.
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I too...
would like to see the Rangers give Borbon a shot in CF. I’m just not sure our manager feels the same way. I think Byrd is gone and Wash will start with an OF Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz and Borbon as the 4th OFer. That’s really going to upset me too. On top of that we will sign a veteran RH bat like Glaus or Dye and hit them cleanup while Cruz hits 6th or 7th.
I’d have an OF of Hamilton/Borbon/Cruz with Murphy as the 4th OFer. Cruz woulkd hit cleanup behind Hamilton and ahead of Kinsler. I think that’s the best lineup the Rangers can go with.
We can talk about guys like BJ, Dunn, Nolasco, Cain, et al, but I just don’t see it happening. The Rangers will probably get a veteran RH bat, veteran starter, and a couple low cost arms for the ‘pen and that will be it. The team just doesn’t have the $ to make a big splash and I think the FO is committed to building this team through the farm and won’t trade away big enough prospects to get an impact player in return.
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by slc ranger on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and if Borbon is the 4th OFer, Wash would need to be fired on the spot.
the ‘pen will be low cost additions, but we don’t need a crappy veteran starter. that would annoy me as much as Andruw Jones hitting in the cleanup spot.
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
this team doesn’t need another crappy veteran starter. I’m just telling you that I think they will bring one in. Get ready for another Ponson/Benson type to be signed to push the young kids for that last starter spot in ST. I hope I’m wrong.
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by slc ranger on Nov 6, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about that.
He’d be expensive, but not prohibitively so. He’s obviously not as untouchable as he was a few years ago, and the Rays will eventually have to trade him.
by LiamP on Nov 6, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldja?
go Borbon, Beavan, and Moreland? Would that even interest them?
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by tricer on Nov 6, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that
But yeah, no way that gets him.
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess Cruz + prospects
I doubt they have much, if any, interest in Borbon. Beavan and Moreland are both pretty meh.
by LiamP on Nov 6, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz???
you’re gonna give your best offensive player (other than MY) for BJ and THEN give some prospects. WOW! That would be monumentally bad. I wouldn’t want to trade Cruz straight up for Upton. This Upton lovefest has to stop.
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a package along the lines of what Tampa would ask for.
And if his shoulder checks out, I’d probably do it.
by LiamP on Nov 6, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would
not make us that much better.
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by coolaid on Nov 6, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. It's a high-risk trade.
You’re banking on offensive production somewhere between his 2007 and 2008 years. Even if he doesn’t hit for power (2008 for example), his CF defense and ability to get on base will make him a better overall player than Cruz.
I like Cruz a lot, but it seems like this org is going to inevitably trade him. It would be nice to do it sooner rather than later considering he’ll turn 30 next year and will still be pre-arb.
by LiamP on Nov 6, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz's defense+offense is better than BJ Upton
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
If you want to say that Upton’s .686 OPS is indicative of the offensive numbers he’ll put up in the future, then you have a point. If you think he’s closer to the 2008 or even 2007 player, you don’t have a leg to stand on.
by LiamP on Nov 6, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have plenty to stand on
defensively, Cruz’s UZR/150 is consistently higher than Upton’s.
offensively, Cruz has more power and although he may steal 20 less bases (40 to 20), Cruz still has good speed and does not get caught at near the rate Upton does. Upton’s speed is his only slight advantage.
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You do
realize that Upton plays CF, right?
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by coolaid on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus.
First off, you only have 2 full seasons of UZR data to work with (1 with Nellie), so saying anyone’s consistently higher is misleading. Second, Bossman Jr plays CF. Positional differences are kind of important when talking about defense.
Nelson Cruz’s WAR in 2009: 3.6. BJ Upton’s in 2008: 4.9. He was at 2.5 WAR last year and he did absolutely nothing offensively.
by LiamP on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellies UZR data is consistent no matter where he has been
Upton has played CF for 2+ seasons.
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hefty Lefty is expected to retire?
Hank is retiring? Or did you just get Jones’ handedness wrong?
Also Vizquel not filing for FA right away tells me he thinks something could get worked out real soon. I don’t like the idea odf spending that much on our utility guy but if you are i’d rather it be Vizquel than Esteban German.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Everyday Eddie
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by coolaid on Nov 6, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh forgot about him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 6, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"you have a RH middle of the order masher on the roster, quit batting him 7th."
When that RH masher starts hitting LHP better I imagine he will move up in the order
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Snooze.
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be quite a bit more surprised if Nelson ends up as described
Than I would if he didn’t
by tyd3311 on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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