BoSox trade for Jeremy Hermida
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 5, 2009 8:29 PM CST
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Boston has acquired COF Jeremy Hermida from the Florida Marlins in exchange for LHPs Hunter Jones and Jose Alvarez.
While this appears to be a salary dump for Florida -- Hermida made $2.25 million in 2009, and will probably get $3.5-4 million in 2010, making him a potential non-tender candidate for the Marlins -- they look like they got some talent back. Jones is just a random 25 year old arm, but Alvarez put up good numbers as a 20 year old in the New York-Penn League (although he didn't make the BA League top 20).
Hermida is an interesting guy to take a flyer on, a high school draftee in 2002* who had a strong season in 2007, posting a .296/.369/.501 line while playing in a pitcher's park, but who has regressed the past couple of years. And he's limited to a corner outfield spot, so if he doesn't hit, he doesn't have value.
* Hermida went #11 overall, 1 pick behind Drew Meyer. I was irritated with the Meyer pick because I wanted Texas to take either Hermida or Bobby Brownlie.
But this gives the BoSox a hedge in case Jason Bay walks in free agency, particularly given that there isn't exactly a sterling crop of COF guys out there on the market. And it also allows them to work with a guy who looks like a solid reclamation project, and who is under team control through 2011...if Hermida bounces back strong, he has the potential to be a bargain in 2011.
This is interesting because it is consistent with the philosophy the BoSox have shown of late with guys like Rocco Baldelli, Brad Penny, John Smoltz...if they are going to spend $3-5 million on a player, they'd rather have a high beta guy who might give you nothing, or might give you a whole lot, rather than get the safe, guaranteed mediocrity.
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* Hermida went #11 overall, 1 pick behind Drew Meyer. I was irritated with the Meyer pick because I wanted Texas to take either Meyer or Bobby Brownlie.
by brettgardner on Nov 5, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Who was the other Myer
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Nov 5, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've never liked Hermida much
and always winced at the rumors of the Rangers trading for him.
But I love this sentence
they’d rather have a high beta guy who might give you nothing, or might give you a whole lot, rather than get the safe, guaranteed mediocrity.
Safe, guaranteed mediocrity is why I’d rather have the Rangers not spend money than sign many of the guys often cited as potential targets. Always pay for potential, never for reliable 2 wins better than replacement level players.
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by JBImaknee on Nov 5, 2009 8:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Hermida is
He kinda sucks. His 2007 looks like it was largely a product of a .356 BABIP, and his power numbers have steadily plummeted since. He doesn’t hit lefties that well, and doesn’t walk a ton, doesn’t hit for average, doesn’t field well and doesn’t throw well.
He’s definitely better off in the AL, but basically he’s done nothing outside of 2007 that makes me think he’s going to bounce anywhere but around the waiver wire. Kinda resembles what your rather dismal expectations for Mitch Moreland are, AJM.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he's 25 years old with a lot of ML at bats and a top prospect pedigree
I’ll take a flyer on that combination anytime.
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by tricer on Nov 5, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take a flyer too for cheap
but 25 years old + lot of ML at bats is getting to the point where your top prospect pedigree is pretty meaningless.
The problem with guys like Hermida and Franceour, etc is that they bounce around from team to team, usually with somewhat interesting players going the other way, GMs hoping that they’ll make it, getting teased a bit, and then trading them elsewhere. You just don’t want to be caught holding the hot potato when the league figures out that “hey, this guy is getting paid $6 million for doing nothing more than being a top prospect 5 years ago”
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by JBImaknee on Nov 5, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Great characterization.
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't realize he was that young
But still, meh.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland and Hermida
Moreland had an 861 OPS in AA as a 23 year old this year.
Hermida had an 870 OPS in the majors as a 23 year old.
Hermida had solid seasons in high-A at age 20 and AA at age 21, on top of his major league success…he might not figure it out, but I’d say he has a lot better chance of being an impact bat than Moreland does.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 5, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
age is relevant in some situations
but there are different circumstances like college draftees vs high schoolers
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think whether someone is a high school or college draftee...
…is all that relevant.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sawx and high beta players
I bet they sign Sheets, if anybody does.
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by tricer on Nov 5, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nah, they'd be selling way low...
not their style
by ramjam36 on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BP subscribers
who are the PECOTA comps for Hermida?
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by tricer on Nov 5, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize Bay is a FA
Could he be a the right handed bat needed? The Anti-Bradley.
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by Parman on Nov 5, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Of course he could
just loan Hicks about $100 mil or so.
by chrisR on Nov 5, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if Jason Bay sniffs 75 million hes a very lucky man
100 mil is completely out of the question I;d think
by UNTJosh on Nov 5, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
then loan Hicks $75 million.
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by slc ranger on Nov 5, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't need a right-handed bat
i don’t get this. we need the best bat we can get, be it left or right handed.
LH hitters — Davis, Borbon, Hamilton, Murphy (4th OFer)
RH hitters — Kinsler, Young, Andrus, Cruz, Teagardan
Salty is a switch hitter (Smoak as well)
There is no RH bat issue.
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by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It really depends on Kinsler
If you hit him leadoff then yes we do need a RH bat. Otherwise 3 of your 4 everyday RH bats are hitting 1,2,9 and if Teagarden plays he hits 8. Not to open this argument up again but Cruz hasn’t hit major league LHP yet which means your middle of the order (3-7) would all be guys who struggle against LHP.
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by bigsteve on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to open this argument up again
Impersonating Josey?
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by RangerMad on Nov 6, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly agree
Our lineup plays 81 games a year in a ballpark that strongly favors LH hitters.
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by tricer on Nov 6, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a smart move
I’m kind of a Hermida sucker though.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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there is a terrible joke buried under this spot
by Telegraph on Nov 6, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Liar
You owe me a new monitor.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 6, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are still alive
that should be rewarding enough
by Telegraph on Nov 6, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god we weren't talking about a certain manager
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