Forget Vlad. Dunn can't even hold Vlad's jock. There's no comparison between the two. Watch Dunn strikeout like Pete Incaviglia and you'll realize why he's quickly becoming a journeyman.
Vlad: I'd love to see him here. He'd be awesome here.
From the DMN blog comment section today. Vlad's 2009 OPS: 794. Dunn's 2009 OPS: 928
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Well with his great plate discipline
Uh…nevermind.
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by Parman on Nov 5, 2009 9:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
See sig
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by Keynes on Nov 5, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did he really say that?
That’s lulzy.
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by jdh90 on Nov 5, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was from when Fleas got moved to the 'pen in OKC
As I recall, he brought up the DMN blog itself, even.
A fine moment in the history of the internet.
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by Keynes on Nov 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It was when a bunch of people were melting down over Feliz being moved to the pen in AAA in anticipation of being called up to pitch out of the Ranger pen.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you guys happen to have a link to the transcript?
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
by jdh90 on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider yourself linked, good sir
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gracias.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
by jdh90 on Nov 5, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
These people need to remember the following equations
Strikeouts + Walks = Not bad, maybe good
Strikeouts + No walks = Bad, not good
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Some other fun Vlad vs. Adam Dunn facts:
Vlad’s 2009 wOBA: .343
Dunn’s 2009 wOBA: .394
Vlad just posted a career-low .164 ISO this year, along with a shockingly low 4.7 BB% (holy shit).
Dunn? .262 ISO and 17.5 BB%.
I would be clamoring for us to go after Dunn if you didn’t already know the Nats are gonna try to rape people for him.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dunn would
rake in Arlington. Why wouldn’t you want him?
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
by jdh90 on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want him for his contract.
Nor do I think we have a desperate need for a DH (it would just be nice).
by philkid3 on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he'll be making 12 mil in 2010
But he’s only under contract for 2010, so it’s not like it’s would be a long-term burden.
And I do think we have a pressing need for someone who can take a goddamn walk this offseason, and DH is one of our currently open slots. Dunn, despite being expensive, both fits that description and leaves the DH spot open after 2010 so we can keep both Davis and Smoak around if Davis recovers from his suckfest this season.
The only reason I’m not pining for Dunn is I don’t want to give up a big value in prospects for one year of any given player.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm intrigued by Dunn
He can be too patient though. He needs to be a little more aggressive.
by UNTJosh on Nov 5, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grrr
No, he just needs to “do what he do”. We would be a much, much better offensive team with Dunn in the lineup. There is really no reason to debate this.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Nov 5, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’ve never seen why people want Dunn to be more agressive. That’s quite simply not part of his game. He doesn’t hit for average, and he’s not a contact hitter. His game is working pitchers, getting on-base and mashing the ball when he gets ahold of it. He’s put up a career .384 wOBA that way, and driven in about 100 per year of the media’s precious RBI’s.
People like to ride him for the strikeouts and his lack of batting average, particularly with RISP, but the fact is, if you make a guy like him more aggressive and you’re probably going to lose more value in the hit that his power and on-base numbers will take than you’re going to gain in extra batting average. Or worse, you just turn him into uselessly wild whiffer like Chris Davis.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Dunn just doesn’t get the praise of others like Ryan Howard who strike out a ton, but don’t have the same plate discipline. Maybe it’s because Dunn is such a liability on defense, but that wouldn’t matter in our lineup. Gotta love the DH.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Being in the NL really does kill his value in a big way. Jeff had a post up on it over at LL a little while ago: Pedro Feliz actually has a slightly higher WAR than Dunn since 2006 because of how terrible Dunn’s fielding is.
You move Dunn to the AL though, and take away all those runs he’s costing his club in the field, and his value skyrockets.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 5, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with what you're saying
I would just like it if he were more aggressive with RISP. I don’t care if his BA is low or his strikeout totals are high. I don’t think I want him walking when hes the best power option and he’s up with men in scoring position.
I’d absolutely take him though.
by UNTJosh on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really need someone to sell me on Dunn some more....
All of this is persuasive, but I just can’t turn loose of the last time we landed a high-OBP, works the pitchers guy from the Nats. I know Dunn isn’t the same type of guy, but old wounds heal slowly.
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by bking on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking it was Dusty Baker again.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because asking someone to drive in RISP
is the same thing as swinging for the fences on the first pitch you see with no men on
by UNTJosh on Nov 6, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
plus you would get 2 draft picks for losing Dunn to Free Agency
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 5, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats seem to love him though
I don’t they move him unless they are just flat broke.
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 6, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But, hey, Vlad hit 295 and that bum Dunn only hit 267!
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by Keynes on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i dont even care if the substance of the argument was dead-on
this guy should be banished solely for using the “so-and-so can’t even hold so-and-so’s jock” line.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 5, 2009 9:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
DMN blog followers are the worst anywhere
Luckily I found here
by Mark from OC on Nov 5, 2009 10:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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by ghtd36 on Nov 5, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if by fun - you mean "Severe Trauma to the Head"
then yeah :)
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
Though it’s worse in the comments on the Rangers Facebook posts.
by JDT217 on Nov 6, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The same Rangers facebook page
That got over a dozen “Likes” when it posted about organizational layoffs?
No, it can’t be!
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by Conjunction on Nov 6, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've spent many a time attempting to have a sound debate on there.
They’re the worst. Country bumpkins with a keyboard.
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by Maximilian on Nov 6, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this like posting
some random comment from Shark or Steal Home on the front page?
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by DJCahill on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
per TR sullivan
Also filing (for Free Agency) were outfielders Hank Blalock and Marlon Byrd and pitchers Eddie Guardado and Joaquin Benoit.
Did I miss something? I didn’t realize Blalock was that versatile
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
TR is just old and forgetful
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 6, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn == Guerrero
Sure you can point to 2009 and say that Dunn hit alot better, but before 2009, lets say, the 7 seasons 2002 through 2008. lets compare Dunn and Vladimir:
Dunn, 1065 games played, .246/.382/.514, 259 home runs.
Guerrero, 1019 games played, .325/.396/.566, 222 home runs
Dunn was younger, but Guerrero hits slightly better. Dunn also played in hitters parks (Cincy and Arizona) where Guerrero played in neutral parks (Anaheim and Montreal).
Dunn will cost us $12 million plus the prospects to get him, but if he leaves after next year we get 2 draft picks back. Guerrero will cost us the signing of him and the first round pick we lose, plus, unless we keep him for too long, we’ll get 2 draft picks back when he leaves, so the draft picks are a wash. Guerrero made $15 million last year, but probably won’t command that this year. I’d be happy to bring him in for either one year at $10 to 13 million or 2 years for about $20 million.
Dunn would be nice too, but I’d want him to agree to a 2 year extension and I don’t want to have to give up anyone better than a couple of Kasey Kiker types for him.
by iblum on Nov 6, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Moot
Of course, all this is moot because the Yankees will probably sign him for $17 million a year for 3 or more years.
by iblum on Nov 6, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way in hell...
…Vlad gets a multi-year deal for $17 million per.
He’s old, can’t play the field anymore, and looks like he’s done.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 6, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The other issue is Vlad is at least 35 while Dunn is 29.
Yes I say at least 35, because I still question the age of all LA players that are over the age of about 27 currently.
Vlad’s problem is his whole game is based almost solely on bat speed. He starts losing that and quickly he will become an average, or worse, hitter.
For next year it might be close. Any further out and Dunn I suspect has an edge on Vlad for 3-4 years before both are likely out of the league.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guerrero has consistently been on the decline
I don’t see that trend changing. I, also, think Dunn has been the picture of consistency. The Nationals park is a pitchers park, but Dunn had a great year. Dunn will give you 40 HRs and 100 RBIs. Guerrero will be lucky to hit 20 HRs
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by NothinG on Nov 6, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How old is Vlad claiming he is now?
Because he looks like he’s 45.
by FuturePants on Nov 6, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he looks like he's 50 when he runs..
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by bking on Nov 6, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think Hunter Pence in 15 years
Runs like a constipated emu.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 6, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way in hell...
…I’d give Vlad Guerrero $10-12 million for 2010.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 6, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
2-3 years, $6-8 milliion per season, to the Baltimore Orioles, to be their DH. Is Luke Scott an okay 1st baseman?
by tyd3311 on Nov 6, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guessed up to $7 million per for 2 years.
AJM said no way and guessed one year, $5 million, which I think is lower than what he’ll go for. I could easily see a two year, $12 million K.
by FuturePants on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad isn't signing a cheap 2 year deal
and he really isn’t signing one with the Orioles. I’d guess 1 year for 6 mil with incentives and a mutual option.
by UNTJosh on Nov 6, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
should be
“Dunn IS younger, but Vlad HIT slightly better.”
And that advantage is clearly an artifact of the past. You could end up with some kind of awful team if you casually leapfrog the previous season’s performance when evaluating a FA.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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