2010 ZiPS projections for the Texas Rangers
Dan Szymborski has the ZiPS projections for the Rangers in 2010 up at BTF. ZiPS views this group, as constituted, as around a .500 team, and seems to identify the need for a legit DH.
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When I saw that yesterday
I nearly spit out my coffee seeing Moscoso ranked that high. I’m somewhat optimistic about his contributions being positive, but maybe not to that degree.
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Moscoso projection
I don’t get that either. It doesn’t seem like the peripheral rates that they have projected would lead to that ERA.
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Well, maybe
The hit rate looks good, and that and his walk rate are in line with his minor league numbers. I still don’t see it.
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If El Duke is our 4th best pitcher, we're in trouble
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Well
Bill James thought that he and Chris Davis would be the new bash brothers this year, so we probably shouldn’t read that much more into it than what we already know. He had a crappy year, so statistical projections aren’t going to project him to be terribly good in 2010.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 6, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Drugs
I had as much concern about relapse as anything else. I hope they’re unfounded.
The injury issues last year made me wonder about their validity, as well. Maybe I’ve seen too much Intervention.
I thought he just had a few drinks?
His relapse was pretty tame compared to what I’ve seen other former crack addicts do. I doubt it had that huge an impact on his performance this year. I think it was more the rest of the league sorting out how to pitch to him.
by JBP on Nov 6, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
isnt it a tad bit early to be projecting into next season already?
Who knows what could happen between now and feb 14th…
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by 34express on Nov 6, 2009 12:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
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Can’t say I am familiar with ZiPS projections. Have they shown to be pretty accurate in that past?
by GregoryM on Nov 6, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions
They're pretty much there with the rest of the top projection systems
Overall, you can get a pretty decent picture of what’s going to happen, but you’ll end up with a wide variance on specific players.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
And they'll be way off on a handful of teams every year, it happens.
Next year, for example, they’re going to be way off on the Rangers.
>_>
Chris Davis
an OPS+ 95 1B.
Spectacular.
That would definitely point towards picking up an extra bat or 2, and be ready to replace CD.
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I'm hoping CDavis is somewhere between 2008 & 2009.
30 HR / .850 OPS with 150Ks would be acceptable. But the freaking training wheels need to come off on Opening Day. If he can’t hit at least 6th in this order, he needs to be shown the door.
I honestly hope we don’t have to listen to any bs about how he was a much better when he came back up because he wasn’t.
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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
blah blah blah
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by DJCahill on Nov 6, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i disagree...
take mine, for example.
bad
hope this helps.
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by sam in so cal on Nov 7, 2009 6:11 AM CST up reply actions
Looking at the projections, my problems with it are:
With the offense:
I think Murphy’s going to improve a bit next season and will likely move into more of a platoon role as long as Hamilton is healthy. I wouldn’t expect his OPS+ to drop to below average next season. Elvis is going to be much better next season. We’re going to see numbers as good as (if not better) than his second half numbers this past season. I also expect him to reach the 40+ SB mark rather than end up with a couple less SBs (while not getting caught much). Borbon isn’t going to get that much worse next season if at all. I definitely don’t expect his OBP to drop 40 points and his SLG to drop 50 points. Borbon’s lack of power stats in the minors probably hurts him here, but he’s got more power than he showed then.
The defense:
With Davis offensively, I realize that he could be anywhere from horrible to amazing and I admittedly don’t completely get the defensive projections, but it looks like Davis’ defense at first is really being sold short. It looks like the same is happening with Cruz, Kinsler, and the catchers. The team defense last season looks like it was the biggest reasoning behind the lackluster projections for the Rangers and it looks like they still aren’t giving them quite enough credit. Of course, I could be looking at it completely wrong.
The pitching:
It looks like its all over the place. The rotation is going to only have 3 pitchers who have above average ERAs with one being Moscoso (ughh, what???) and another being Feliz who only makes 19 starts. Basically, the good starters are going to all get much worse while the bad starters are going to be bad, but maybe not as bad. And if El Duque is posting a 99 ERA+, Holland is going to have a 150 ERA+. The reliever projections are more or less reasonable. I think FX2 and CJ are going to be better than their projections, but that’s about it.
On a side note, would it kill him to get rid of the players that aren’t actually on the team anymore from the projections page?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
no kidding
Blalock etc are not going to be with this team. There are alot of unnecessary projections…ie Nate Gold. Gold is projected to be as good as Davis.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
and Manny Pina
um, we traded him away. it feels like piss poor work with guys like that on the list
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He's doing projections for 40-50 guys per team
For all 30 teams.
The fact that someone like Pina is on there is an understandable oversight.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 6, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
What Adam said
can you really expect anyone to keep track of that many transactions for every single team?
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I do the players on the 40-man roster, the players on Sickels/BA lists that are relatively close (I have to be prodded to do low and mid-A guys), the players I did last year that are still relevant, and then I quickly go down the organizational list from BR that goes by last organization. In Pina’s case, it was a pretty quiet trade and he only played with Frisco, so I missed it. As I note, I’m not too worry about missing small moves at this point in the offseason – the final projections are combed over a lot better.
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I think the way he does it
He projects every player that played in the ML last season, and he leaves them on the last team that they were signed with. That explains some of the odd ball players, but I don’t have any idea who Justin Leone and Kevin Thompson are.
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Leone
Former Mariner minor leaguer. The Rangers signed him late in August for some minor league team’s playoff roster.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Leone was in OKC at the end last seaso
But I’ve never heard of Kevin Thompson.
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Really?
LMAO
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which games?
I’ll make sure to be there! :()
by Sherman McCoy on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I've been telling ya'll Boggsy is legit
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by Keynes on Nov 6, 2009 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Two things on ZiPS this year
I wouldn’t pay much attention to ERAs for pitchers. They don’t seem to be too indicative of what he’s really projecting. I think that the FIPS related numbers are probably more telling.
And if you look at other teams, he overwhelmingly has guys on the high end regressing. So if a good player has a solid projection, it’s probably a really good projection against other good players.
Two things I’d be curious about asking Dave, though, one is how he arrives at his defensive ratings for minor leaguers. Many of them seem a little over the top – though I guess it’s more on the range side, and a lot of guys wind up regressing defensively as they cross the major league threshold. That doesn’t seem realistic.
Second, on some of these pitchers, I just don’t know how you arrive at their numbers. Daryl Thompson was one example for me. He had a not terrible year last year when you take all levels into account, and his projection was awful. This year was a disaster, and it improved.
It seems to me
that the overall team projection for the rangers is going to be somewhat less accurate simply because of the wide variety of unique situations we have. Really young guys, guys potentially shifting in and out of roles, guys with freak injuries or particularly divergent performance last year. I know that all teams have these to some extent, and that the system tries to take them into account to some extent, but still a lot of those individual projections just dont fit the narrative for that player’s expected course of development. Yes, it can be dangerous to rely too heavily on a narrative when statistics are staring you in the face.
My thought is that we will probably have most of our guys do slightly better than the projections, with a select few doing significantly worse.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM CST reply actions
Wow, the projections are coming out already?
Get ready for OC vs. Philkid: the rematch.
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I've got my popcorn ready, Baseball Jesus.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 6, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
That would be me, usually.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by LSJ on Nov 7, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
it's never too early to think about gambling...
ODDS TO WIN THE 2010 AMERICAN LEAGUE PENNANT:
Team
N.Y. Yankees 2/1
Boston 7/2
L.A. Angels 9/2
Tampa Bay 11/2
Chi. White Sox 6/1
Detroit 8/1
Minnesota 14/1
Texas 15/1
Toronto 35/1
Baltimore 50/1
Oakland 60/1
Seattle 60/1
Kansas City 75/1
Cleveland 100/1
This will obviously change w/ FA acquisitions, but I am skeptical that Texas will outmaneuver many teams in things that require $.
Sad that Texas is behind three AL East teams AND three AL Central teams. Seriously?
There’s always 2011.
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Glad to see...
…your in mid-season form already.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 7, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
A legend would be nice.
I don’t understand what the abbreviations are for the defensive projections. I look at Davis as a well above avg. defensive 1B, and cannot tell if the projections agree. If a smaller # is good, then OK, the defensive projections look fine. If not, I have to question the methodology.
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