However, the most impressive performer of the night may have been a pitcher nonetheless. Righthander Tanner Scheppers (Rangers), a 2009 supplemental first-round pick, continued to look hale and hearty after a shoulder injury knocked him down the 2008 draft and prompted plenty of teams to pass on him in the ‘09 draft. Scheppers’ quick arm pumped fastballs into the upper 90s in his one inning of work, including a five-pitch strikeout of Allen in which every heater was 97-98 mph.
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I love reading stuff like this
Purke who?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
im not even worried about losing purke
1. His Mechanics 2. JD can draft baby! Armed with 2 first rounders next year should be nice…
usa
3 if Byrd walks.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 8, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
And with a new owner who will want to put his stamp on the rangers
And what better way than to make a late Fa signing here or there to show the public he isn’t Tom hicks then go pop and sign the expensive hard to sign guys with 3 first rounders and get it done to build some faith in your ownership.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
3 if Byrd walks.
So it’s one standard issue pick, one supplemental for Milton Bradley to Cubs, and then if Byrd walks he’s a projected Type B, correct?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Nov 8, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
No
Scheppers was form Milton. We get one for Purke.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I really hope we let Byrd walk, would love to get that extra pick.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
more than that
it would be stupid to invest the money and years in a player who likely will be on the decline and blocking players like Borbon with higher upside a better defensive potential. Byrd was below avg defensively in CF. Why would we want that back? Byrd is also at the root of our hacker philosophy. I really don’t want Byrd back, and hope the FO lets him go
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
JD does always make sure that the drafts are fun
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He really does
It is telling when you think back to drafts where the most exciting player taken was Colby Lewis or Drew Meyer… Not all that long ago
Go Rice Owls!
Here is a question
Worst first round draft pick by the Rangers in history? Im going to have to go Donald Harris but Monty Fariss and Jonathan Johnson are close
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
It is so hard to look at drafts
since we don’t know who was behind those guys on the Rangers boards.
But yeah, if Frank Thomas was the Rangers 2nd choice, it’d be hard to beat Harris. Todd Helton was right after Jonathan Johnson, but who knows if the mid-’90s Rangers wanted a first baseman/quarterback. Fariss over his teammate Ventura was pretty poor…
Really, almost every Rangers draft from that era was a disaster. Please don’t make me look at them
Go Rice Owls!
Haha
yeah i just looked at them over at baseball-reference. I threw up in my mouth.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
1990 First pick Dan Smith
He kinda hurts. College pitcher. 4 slots later another college pitcher was taken. Mike Mussina.
Tom Grieve is my hero.
umm
Matt Purke was his name, I believe. He was generally regarded as a top ten talent.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Mike E?
That you?
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
I'm happy that I was on the Scheppers bandwagon very early on
It is starting to get really crowded.
Go Rice Owls!
See, I wasn't on the bandwagon until very recently.
I guess the medical reports scared me off. But I’ve been converted.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NUDE PICS OF SCHEPPERS?
by oc on Nov 8, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Scheppers
He kinda reminds me of Brandon Morrow in Seattle (as a prospect rather than a sucky reliever). How does Scheppers compare to him in terms of stuff?
Better FB and a much better CB
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 8, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
He will be the best pitcher to come out of this draft
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
I think the best
More of a commentary on how good i think Scheppers will be as opposed to thinking Strasburg will bomb. I really wouldnt mind the Rangers moving him very quickly. Im hoping he will force it. I wouldnt be opposed to him starting in Frisco.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
I think Scheppers has the potential
to be the best pitcher drafted in 2008, and the best non-Strasburg pitcher in 2009. I agree that he’s a guy who should move very fast.
I just think Strasburg is stellar. I’ll be shocked if he is not one of the top pitchers of the next decade.
Go Rice Owls!
His arm is going to blow up like Mark Prior
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I swear
if I were Strasburg, I’d have inserted a “will not play for Dusty Baker” clause into my contract.
Go Rice Owls!
yep
he has very mark prior-like mechanics. I think he’ll be good for a little while, but he is going to face alot of superior talent that will lay off his junk out of the strikezone. He has to throw that breaking ball for a strike, and I haven’t really seen much of a third pitch from Strasburg. He’ll need that as well to be successful in the Bigs, as will Scheppers. Although Scheppers has been working on his changeup. Hopefully that can come around and even if it’s barely avg that would be enough.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Time will tell of course
I believe Strasburg will be great but i think just Scheppers will be a tiny bit better. If we are legitimately trying to discern which of these two are the better pitchers 5 yrs from now, it will be one of the best draft picks in Rangers history.
During the season we were all raving about how we have 3 potential #1/2 type starters in Feliz, Holland, and Perez. Now we can most definitely add Scheppers to that mix. That isnt even taking the potential high ceiling guys into account like Main, NeRamirez, and Font. In years past ALL of our hopes used to rest squarely on the shoulders of guys like Main, Ramirez, Font, et al. At the end of 2011 our rotation (hell, whole pitching staff) could be all former prospects of our system. That would be nice.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
Do not put NeRa in tha mix
That guy sucks and his shoulder is always hurt
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I was lumping
him in because of high risk, high reward type of status. Electric stuff when healthy, but WHEN healthy is the key
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
Yeah
But he’s never healthy and his velo was down around 89-92 this year
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I have a hard time trying to grasp who falls where as far as the SP and Bullpen are concerned
Right now in the MLB/AAA
Holland
Feliz
Harrison
Hunter
Hurley
Moscoso
AA
Kiker
Perez
Sheppers (most likely)
And then the whole slew of guys in A+, A, SS, and instructs.
That is a ton of quality arms. Just in the combination of guys that are fairly polished and guys with potential, the pitching in the system is deep. What was the last system that this reminded you off?
The overall depth is staggering….
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I can't see Kiker going back to Frisco
Beavan probably will and Kennil Gomez and Danny Gutierrez will be in Frisco.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
is Poveda going to be in AAA as well?
I’m personally not a fan of Hurley.
Harrison might be better suited for the bullpen, especially since we have better talent like Scheppers and Perez that should easily beat him out in a year or two.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
this is going to be Hurley's make or break year
I am thinking he ends up in the pen if his shoulder can handle it. But why rush it if they don’t have to
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
i totally agree they shouldn't rush him
but Hurley and Diamond are the last two of the old hope. Diamond is gone and Hurley is recovering from rotator cuff surgery. I’m just not expecting much from Hurley after that injury, and it would spell the end of the HDVD era of prospects.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I would think so
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I would be to start the year
He needs to work on a change which he’s being an ass about right now.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
really?
he is refusing to work on a change?
that would be ridiculously stupid, but he has a history of issues. that is why we got him for so little.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
JC just interviewed Danny Clark
and Clark said he told Gutierrez that he needed to work on a change and he said that he didn’t need one. The guy is an ass so they’ll need to keep after hard.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
what a jerk
he just fell 3 spots in my prospect list. if you don’t have a 3rd pitch, you’re not going to be a major leaguer.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'd tell him
You have two choices: work on a changeup with a smile on your face in Frisco, or you can have a bad attitude and we’ll send you to Bakersfield – where you are still going to be working on a CU.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
That would be an empty threat IMO.
I don’t think the Rangers have any desire to send him to Bakersfield and surround him with the people he used to hang with. Search for his brother’s posts here the day he was traded and you’ll kind of get an idea why.
I think
you guys are overreacting on it a bit. Gutierrez has told me in the past that he needs to work on the changeup when starting. But I think, in the Fall League against such great competition, and when he’s only going a couple of innings per outing, it’s natural for him to want to stick with what works.
If the coaches didn’t exist to push the players, none of them would be throwing changeups until they stopped succeeding. The coaches are there to make them do something that may not seem comfortable at the time [like forcing yourself to throw changeups] for long-term benefit.
Gutierrez only has
5 IP in AA.
I would assume he goes to AA.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah
pretty rare to essentially skip AA.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 8, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
I saw this AFL game online...
Scheppers was stellar. Even though his name sounds like a brand of ginger ale.
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Did you figure out
how to scroll to Scheppers’ stint without having to watch all the innings leading up to it?
’Cause I never did. Dang it.
Yeah.
Someone needs to figure that out. I dont want to watch the whole thing, just Scheppers pitching.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
You just have to pause the video and wait for it to buffer.
When the video is loaded up until Scheppers pitches, it’ll let you skip to it.
Unfortunately, no
Spent over an hour trying every trick in the book to a) download the game and (b) crop the Scheppers/Gutierrez portions, right down to hunting down the rtmp address. First time I’ve ever been unable to pull MLB.com video down in .mp4 format.
And no, it doesn’t buffer, so there’s no way to skip ahead. Bad form, MLBAM. Bad form.
by Joey Matschulat on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions
where there is a will there is a way
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
for those interested
i’ll place the gutierrez and scheppers half inning in fanshots this evening.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
TR story
Rangers could possibly trade pitching
i wouldn’t be against trading away McCarthy
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Borbon is the CF, not Hamilton
if borbon is our DH that would seriously piss me off.
also, apparently Gentry is our first line of defense in CF without even mentioning borbon. i don’t get this at all. give the damn job to Borbon.
The Rangers could still re-sign Byrd, but that’s not going to happen quickly. Craig Gentry is their first line of depth with Greg Golson and Brandon Boggs still in Triple-A.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Tommy Hunter
I absolutely love the guy, but he seems like the guy that probably has the highest trade value-to-expected-production ratio right now.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
he is a great sell high candidate
but we still control him for another 5 years right? I’m ok with trading pitching, but I’d rather offer guys that we control for less time like McCarthy.
Hunter is a beast and looks like he could eat alot of innings if you know what i mean
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yep, sell high
I really like the idea of having Hunter as a 4th or 5th starter cheap for the next few years, but if the offer is right it’s a good time to move him.
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by LSJ on Nov 9, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
You guys better attach a trailer to this Scheppers bandwagon....
so I have a place to sit.
Wash is an idiot!!
the Royals are looking for a catcher
what about a package deal for someone like Soria, or go balls out for a guy like Greinke.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I say we offer them Saltalamacchia for Greinke straight up
And be willing to throw in Brandon Boggs and Luis Mendoza to sweeten the deal.
When making a trade with Dayton Moore, there’s no sense in giving up a package of elite players. Because that’s clearly not necessary.
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
Teagrden and one of Kiker/Poveda/Beavan/Moscoso
for Moustakas?
Why not they basically gave us the stubborn Gutierrez and they need a defensive starting C and some help in the back of the rotation/pen
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Moustakas doesn't have the...personal problems...that Gutierrez has.
I doubt they give up on him that easily.
Would cost more, for sure
but still an interesting idea. Moore did draft Moustakas, which seems to make guys harder to swipe, but Moustakas has borderline floundered a little, and KC seems to be pretty desperate to put a good major league club out there.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Moustakas.
Not sure where he’d fit in here. FOTF’s entrenched at 3B until 2013. Given that, the heavy price it would cost to get him and his horrendous year last year, I’m not sure what the point would be.
lets not forget that the corners in KC are pretty crowded as well
he is one of those bats that, when everything clicks, could play anywhere.
This is more of a possible replacement in the COF than FOF at 3B. It is not like the Rangers can keep everyone on the 40. Going 2 for 1 or even 3 for 2 might help spread out the farm and add another impact bat.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
3B isn't very crowded for them.
Teahen’s gone and Gordon can slide over to 1B with Butler DH’ing. Fields is incredibly meh.
Really, if he wasn’t such an insufferable douche, Gordon wouldn’t be a terrible buy-low candidate.
The point
The only reason I’d try a move like that would be in hopes that you are buying low on an elite talent that could see his value double or triple in a year or two. If you can get him for some non-essential parts and get him to establish himself as a top 10 type prospect, then you could make him the headliner in a deal for a real impact guy.
Sort of like buying a fixer upper house and flipping it for a profit.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
But what I'm saying is that there's no way you could buy low on a guy like that.
Setting aside the fact that he’s incredibly talented and scouts still rave about him despite his relatively uninspiring numbers so far, he was the #2 overall pick in DMGM’s first draft. Based on all of the crazy stories you hear about his ego, you think he’d let Moustakas go for cheap regardless of how poorly he performed last year?
FOTF is
going to be paid until 2013. That doesn’t mean that he will be the best option at 3B for that long. If you don’t see Moustakas as a breakout candidate, it obviously doesn’t make sense. If you do, the point would obviously be as a successor to Young, probably in 2-3 years and maybe a role player the year before that, but as laxtonto mentions, he could also be a big armed COF.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
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There’s a ton of risk there for a guy who’s not going to come cheap. You’d have to hope he’ll eventually hit as well as scouts say he can, and you’d have to hope he could handle COF.
Moustakas just wouldn’t be a very good guy to go after.
All I’m saying is that I think you’re making that determination based on doubt that he will break out. But baseball people are paid to know – or be able to make very educated guesses – whether a guy who has put up underwhelming stats should break out. To just say, he hasn’t done it yet so no one can tell if he is likely to, doesn’t give baseball people enough credit. I have no problem with thinking that he’s not a good risk based on a suspicion that he won’t explode. I’m not sure what I think about him these days. But if the Rangers have baseball people who see a star, we are talking about an organization in KC who doesn’t seem to know what a good position player looks like.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I think we're sort of on the same page
I’m not saying the Rangers’ can’t identify talent or can’t identify potential breakout candidates, but what I am saying is that the combination of risk and price makes Moustakas totally not worth it in my eyes. Really, you can take the future performance aspect away from the equation and just look at the prohibitive price tag that’ll be slapped on him.
If Moustakas was truly a buy low kind of guy…then sure, I’d be all for it. But he’s not.
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