SBN Manager of the Year Awards
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 9, 2009 1:00 PM CST
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As some of you know, every year SBN does award balloting using the bloggers from the SBN baseball sites on the major awards. First one out of the box is the Manager of the Year Award, which was won this year by Mike Scioscia.
| Rk | Manager | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mike Scioscia | Los Angeles Angels | 9 | 8 | 3 | 72 |
| 2 | Ron Gardenhire | Minnesota Twins | 9 | 5 | 1 | 61 |
| 3 | Don Wakamatsu | Seattle Mariners | 6 | 3 | 8 | 47 |
| 4 | Joe Girardi | New York Yankees | 2 | 4 | 2 | 24 |
| 5 | Ron Washington | Texas Rangers | 1 | 4 | 4 | 21 |
| 6 | Terry Francona | Boston Red Sox | 1 | 1 | 3 | 11 |
| 7 | Jim Leyland | Detroit Tigers | - | 2 | 4 | 10 |
| 8 | Joe Maddon | Tampa Bay Rays | - | 1 | 1 | 4 |
| 9 | Ozzie Guillen | Chicago White Sox | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| 10 | Trey Hillman | Kansas City Royals | - | - | 1 | 1 |
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Little surprised by Wakamatsu being that high.
Basically, I would’ve guessed Wakamatsu and Washington would’ve been flipped.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Nov 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Wakamatsu didn’t play CF or become a great starter.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 9, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I hate having a SABR guy like him in division.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 9, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wakamatsu took over a team that lost 100 games
and finished two games behind the Rangers. That’s essentially what Bobby V did in 1986.
After further review, I would have given him the award ahead of Scioscia.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think Scioscia
deserves it, but Wakamatsu definitely belongs in the conversation.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they improve a lot
they will likely back slide some next year. I know Pythagorean isn’t all that accurate, but if you believe in it at all they got lucky to not be more like 5-7 games below.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They have a lot of money coming off the books, don't they?
Between Bedard, Beltre and Washburn, that’s $ 27 million or so and they’ve usually had a payroll in excess of $ 100 million in the past.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something like that.
But mostly teams with a -50 in run differential don’t usually end up over 500 very much. So even if they held the same roster, which I think is unlikely, they will likely end up a worse team.
Hey, I hope they go nuts this year. I think you will see a lot of bad contracts go out this off season.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They had gone the other way on run differential the year
previous (pythag had them at something like 70 wins instead of 61) so they may go back to normal in 2010.
They seem like a 76 win team that could really help themselves in free agency.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for him
My ballot:
MOY
1. Don Wakamatsu
2. Joe Girardi
3. Ron Washington
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Girardi second?
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to the start of the season
People weren’t necessarily thinking that the Yankees were going to pull together their hired guns – and as we know from the past, it can be hard to do. Not only did he overcome that, but he had to deal with the ARod thing to start the season, and they exceeded expectations while Boston and TB didn’t meet them. I think he did the second best job this year.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd just have a hard time
ever putting someone who has that many all/superstars that high in managerial rankings. I could easily see eviscerating him if they failed, but I really think, at least in my opinion, Girardi is almost in a no win situation.
He should win with the talent he has, and if he doesn’t he’s screwed up.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a true MOY vote
has to be open to all kinds of good jobs, not just guys who won 85 or more games with teams that you didn’t realize are as good as they are. As we often discuss, a manager’s job is often more about managing people than tactical brilliance, and I don’t know if anyone in baseball had as tough of a task in that regard as Girardi this year.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And one more comment
the fact that no one remembers how tricky of a job Girardi faced this year just illustrates how well he and his players did to get things headed i the right direction a ways into the season.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington over Scioscia!?!?!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think Washington had more talent than Scioscia?
I think Washington’s team did more with less, especially since Texas couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn, while the Angels were historically high average in the second half.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ron Washington absolutely killed this team
when it came to handling the bullpen correctly, probably 5-10 games easy, most of them after the AS Break.
He also made out terrible unexplainable line-ups throughout the season and his team didn’t play well in September against inferior opponents.
The Angels saw a young pitcher lose his life early in the year and they also went extended period of times without Lackey, Vlad & THunter and didn’t miss a step.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Through his terrible management, Washington won several more games than you thought his team would. Got it.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you thought the Rangers won that many games
because of and not in spite of Ron Washington?
Got it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
So Wakamatsu won more games than expected and you praise him. Wash wins more than expected and it’s because of … stupidity? Whatever.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, pathetic.
5-10 games lost because of bullpen management? When the Rangers were near the top of the league in bullpen WPA and had the 2nd fewest blown saves in the majors – less than half the number the Mariners had, by the way.
You are a joke. A bad one.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 9, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think Wash did a good job of managing the bully when...
He brought Frank Frank into the 11th inning of a game where the Rangers led 7-2? Frank then pitched the next evening in Oakland and was on the DL very soon after that.
How about bringing back CJ 14 hours after he had 27 pitches the night previous in NYC?
How about leaving Millwood & Feldman in too long v the Twins in August?
How about going to Eddy G (who had a giant bag of shit) to relieve Millwood in Game 1 of the Boston series and then leaving Frank in waaaaay too long later that same game?
It would be very, very easy to go thru the Ranger schedule and pick out Washington bully F ups. Baseball Prospectus said it was his glaring weakness as a manager before this past season and it’s something he’s never mastered.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So 5 games out of 162 games filled with bullpen management situations
You’ve picked out .8% of Wash’s total decisions and declared that he cost them 5-10 games and was so horrible as a result that the team won 87 games (8 games more than 08) in spite of him.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 9, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And despite your anecdotes
the Rangers bullpen comes out smelling like roses for the season as a whole. He must have done something right. I do not think Washington is a great tactician, but if he were as stupid as you claim he wouldn’t even be able to find the dugout.
But to say he personally lost 5-10 games because of moves like that is stupid, and it ignores many other games when he made the right moves and got the most out of a varied group of arms.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 9, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm considering having some "training sessions"
for Josey. Whenever he uses a logical fallacy, I’m going to ban him for a day. He has the biggest problems with post hoc ergo propter hoc, so I think that’s where we need to start.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Yay!!!
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Nov 9, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll never post on LSB again
So WOOOO!
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is so stupid....
when Josey is right, you guys have such Ranger bias and Josey hatred, that you can’t think straight.
Washington will always be holding this team back from their potential. As long as he is here, this team will win nothing. He will continue to embarrass himself as long as he is here.
You don’t have a good manager when everyone here questions his lineup card for EVERY FUCKING GAME!!!! You don’t hear about this from other even halfway decent managers. This doesn’t even include all of his stupid pitching decisions.
We need a manager who already knows what he is doing, not one who makes the same mistake a few times, figures out he screwed up, THEN makes the changes…….pretty much learning as he goes along. He’s wasting this team’s precious window of opportunity.
It’s OK though, they hired Hurdle because they know when they kick Wash out on his ass around June of next year, they will have someone in place already to take over.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington's strength as a manager has always
been his ability to get his players to play hard for him.
Getting players to play hard for you is an absolute but when that’s all the manager brings to the table, your team is only going to go so far (I think that’s where we are right now).
The constant with Ron Washington teams is that they will play hard but they’re not very smart. They also start out slow to varying degrees and then finish poorly.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Love the Hillman vote.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 9, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that guy cracks me up
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gardenhire should win it every year
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Nov 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
two votes per AL blog (28 total votes). Obviously this is for AL Manager of the Year.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiosity
Who’d you vote for, Adam?
I like steak.
by Conjunction on Nov 9, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie Guillen should be hanged.
Feliz NaviWHOA
by Pith on Nov 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you ask him
he’d tell you he’s hung.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't wait for GM of the year award
I’m not saying JD will win it, but wherever he places, expect 277 post by JW.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 9, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would JD be a candidated for GM of the year?
He didn’t make an acquisition in the off-season, thoroughly mishandled the Davis/Hank F situation all season and for good measure pissed all over himself at the trade deadline (choosing hope instead) with his team in contention.
I think Z in Seattle or Reagins in Cali should get it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam
Time to finally follow through on your threat to delete Josey bitching about Davis/Blalock. I’m calling you out for about the 6th time….time to actually live up to your threat!
by FuturePants on Nov 9, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam isn't around today.
And there’s not a Josey thread for Josey to post in, anyway.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So?
That wasn’t the deal. He promised to delete Josey anytime he started bringing up the Davis/Blalock situation. That time is here; it should be deleted.
I’m sure Josey is perfectly capable of searching and finding his own thread if he wants to continue bitching about this. Let him do that.
by FuturePants on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're a beating......let it go.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Nov 10, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless I'm misinterpreting
I thought ajm doesn’t want people having major pissing contests re Davis & Blalock (and I’m not doing that). If it’s in violation of his wishes, please delete the post.
Hank F is gone and what happened is in the past. Hopefully JD learned a painful lesson.
Chris Davis is still a member of the team and his name (along with Hank F if he stays in the AL) is going to come up from time to time in discussions. I’ve said multiple times that I hope CDavis gets back to his 2008 form because if he does, we’re a better team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You got 2 in your headstart
only 275 to go.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 9, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, moron...
…saying “[Daniels] thoroughly mishandled the Davis/Hank F situation all season” is absolutely attempting to bring someone into one of your retarded pissing contests and it should be deleted.
by FuturePants on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wether you agree if JD "thoroughly mishandled"
or simply mishandled the Davis/Blalock situation doesn’t matter. JD and company did mishandle Davis and the Rangers 1B situation last year.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Nov 9, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing at all about JD or Davis or Blalock.
I’m saying all arguments to that effect, including your comment above, are to be deleted because it’s such a beating for everyone here. I don’t give two shits what anyone thinks about JD and Davis or Blalock. There is a designated thread to discuss that and if I care, I’ll go there.
by FuturePants on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me you are the only one
that has a problem with Josey’s Davis/Blalock reference.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its likely baiting also
but unto each I guess.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so alone in my thought that the Davis/Blalock argument is a beating....
….that Adam created two dedicated threads to it and threatened to delete it if he saw it anywhere else. Yet I’m the only one. Sure, ok.
by FuturePants on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your replies regarding Josey are what is a beating!!
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Nov 10, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So if it's removed, then you have no more problems whatsoever.
I’m glad we agree.
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let the loud waving sword fight BEGIN!
Nobody is perfect, i am nobody, therefore, i am perfect
by 34express on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would JD be a candidate for GM of the year....
as you pointed out in the other thread, most projections systems had the Rangers slotted for considerably less wins. You said last offseason that the main defensive improvements (MY and Elvis) were on JD. Sounds like Josey says, “JD for GM of the year!”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention
That JD built most of this team, excepting a handful of players.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost all those players were
here in 2008 when this was just about the ugliest team ever created.
The difference was the massive change on several fronts implemented by Nolan Ryan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the massive change that Ryan implemented?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After a year of observing and evaluating Ryan insisted This Thing find religion
when it came to defense.
He brought in his own bench coach he trusted and also a new pitching coach. He completely overhauled the organization’s philosophy with their pitchers including but not limited to insisting that Millwood come to camp in much better physical condition.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you find me links...
for any of those assertions?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Mench said it on the Ticket 2 years ago
You didn’t hear?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, you're going to decline to answer this...
but I would seriously like to know what you’re basing these assumptions about what Nolan has done on besides your dislike for JD and like of Nolan Ryan.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't I specifically answer it above?
Nolan said when he came here that he’d spend the first year evaluating and observing, possibly suggesting and then implementing change where needed.
Do you think This Thing (with almost all the same players) turning it around and Nolan being here was one big coincidence?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the podcast
Adam has talked about how much JD needed Nolan to be here and how valuable he has been to the organization.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And?
AJM is now a “source”? When did Nolan ever say his massive change was to alter the defense?
/folds arms, taps foot, waits for answer/
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how we get from there to here.
I’ve seen no media reports that Nolan had strong feeling about defense. I’ve seen media reports about Nolan wanting pitchers to go deeper in games, but where did he say anything about defense?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because...
Nolan hasn’t done jack shit for this team other than to be a figurehead and to tell pitchers they need to pitch deeper into games.
This team, it’s players, and this years success is all on JD. Whether the troll wants to admit it or not doesn’t matter. The fact remains.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 9, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get too carried away
Just because we’re dealing with JW doesn’t mean we have to deal in absolutes. I think Nolan’s done some things. He had a relationship with Maddux which probably helped to bring him to the Rangers. I’m sure fans appreciated the fact he was involved with the team.
The one odd thing JW brings up is D. He, predictably, claims Nolan was behind it (without a fucking shred of evidence). However, Wash was brought in partly for his defensive coaching. E’s great, Ian’s much better, Davis is very good and MY is fairly good but no kudos to Wash? WTF?
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 9, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you link The Room?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet Evan Grant is on the case
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 9, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I need a job where I can come in and do nothing for a year
When my boss asks me what I’ve been doing, I’ll tell him I’ve been “observing and evaluating”.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 9, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go throw 7 no hitters and become a first ballot HOFer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he said he would observe and evaluate
He never said it would go on for a year.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 9, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I thought there would be useful stuff to read in this thread. And there is. But the JD and facts and who said/what was said pissing marathon continues. That’s disappointing.
On topic, AL MOY candidates get pretty thin after Wak and Gardenhire.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Nov 9, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh goody!
Though I think he ends up back with LAAAAAA, here’s another thought to brighten one’s day:
Yankees considering offering Lackey a Burnett level contract
Highlights:
The Yankees come into the winter more set than usual, but they are aided by a terrific financial year, a rise in the luxury-tax threshold from $162 million to $170 million and a trio of high-paid players potentially coming off the books — though they’d like Pettitte to come back, and are considering scenarios whereby both Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon return, as well.
Even if postseason hero Andy Pettitte returns to the Yankees — and he told a few teammates he believes he’ll come back for one more year, though there’s no definitive word on this — the Yankees envision themselves looking at the starting-pitching market since they are uncertain whether Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes will start or work out of the bullpen next year.
I wonder what it would be like to develop top pitching prospects solely for bullpen roles.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If this happens
I really hope Yankee Stadium gets hit by some large chunk of space debris when they have their home opener.
We already have a #1 and a #2. So now lets go out and add another guy that slots into those two because we can’t have a back of the rotation starter in our rotation.
I am normally a free market person, but sports should be competitive, and this is becoming massively ridiculous. So who knows maybe the Yankees replace Matsui and a #5 starter with Lackey, Holiday and Figgins. Wouldn’t that be just wonderful to see?
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at the point...
…where I’m hoping that they just keep signing everyone until MLB is forced to act. After you sign CC, Tex, and AJ Burnett in one offseason (and, according to rumo, get told not to sign Abreu)…just keep going. I hope they sign Lackey and Holliday, or drive their prices so high that they become prohibitively expensive to the teams that do end up signing them, that teams start to revolt.
Again, I’m for a free market system, but one team spending $100 million more (with luxury tax) than the second most team is a joke.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 9, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean when you relaize one team out of 30 is responsible for
almost 10% of the average payroll there’s something wrong.
I know the NFL’s parity can be annoying at times, but I really do think there’s a reason why it is in many ways the model league at the moment. A good front office can still produce regularly dominant teams, while a bad front office can spend just as much and produce a pile of dog leavings.
Right now I really just think that the Yankees are playing a different game then everyone else. They are playing fantasy baseball pretty much.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell it to the players being courted by the Yankees...
You want to tell Matt Holliday (hypothetically speaking) that he can’t take 8/180 from the Yankees because that’s “not fair” to the other ballclubs who can’t pony up that kind of cash?
by JDT217 on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
This is where the Owners have to actually do something for the good of the game.
I have no problem with the players taking the money where its offered. I have a problem with one team being able to fit 3 average teams payrolls into its payroll and not go over, which is sounding somewhat likely after this season.
I’d be all for maximum and minimum pay rolls.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you put a cap on the payrolls...
You’re taking money away from the players.
by JDT217 on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can never be fair to everyone
But I do think that if you keep seeing the Yankees buying every top player that hits the market every 3-4 years then you really start making the game a joke.
And unfortunately the only way to prevent that is to put a cap on the amount the team can spend as a total. You realize that they have already tried to do something less drastic then a hard cap, and it effected most people to at least some extent. And one team basically said F you to that tactic.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Dupuy (Selig's caddy) on with Mike & Mike this morning and he was
very defiant and defensive about the Yankees winning the title this year talking about it being 9 years since they won it.
The thing is, the Yankees should have won it all in 2001 (Rivera had 9th inning lead in Game 7) and very easily could have won it all in 2003 & 2004. It took a massive upset by the Marlins and an all-time choke v the Red Sox (Yanks would have killed the Cards) for that to happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep on those other years
As to fairness to the players, and the free market aspect of MLB – enough is enough. On a valuation and lifetime income basis, there isn’t a baseball player in the world, past or present, who should earn more than $10 per year. Or looking at it another way, using 2008 dollars (which may be worth a lot less after 1020 – 2911), who has actually contributed sufficiently to the economy to earn a calendar average of $7 million x number of years played.
I’ll admit though, my dislike of megasalaries in baseball is a flyspeck to my hate for the executives of money center systems who rake double digits of millions personal gain year after year after year. They do no more than a good casino operator would do – set odds in favor of the house, and implement products that endure those odds can’t be beat.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Nov 9, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So they'll only have to live in relative luxury?
I have a hard time feeling bad for either the players or the owners. The whole system needs to be overhauled.
On the one hand, the Yankees sell out every stadium they play at, and they pay out major cash to other teams because of revenue sharing. On the other hand, fuck the Yankees. They get more media coverage than octo-mom, that little girl who fell down an abandoned well, and Eian Gonzales combined. They have the most lucrative TV contract for any team in any sport in any country. But you can’t blame sportscenter for leading with the Yanks every broadcast. People keep watching.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's sportscenter?
I agree. There has to be something done. The players salaries won’t decrease too much. They’ll just be able to be signed by other teams. The Yankees will outbid everybody for a player they want, even if they don’t need it. The fact that the Yankees get most of the top players on the free market is why it is so difficult to make the playoffs in the AL. NY and Boston are pretty much shoe ins for the playoffs. In order for us to make it, we have to win our division. Granted, we are more fortunate than Baltimore, Toronto, Tampa Bay (who is really good) because we are in a 4-team divisioni that doesn’t involve the Yankees or Red Sox. It’s an uphill battle and hopefully we reach the peak.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 9, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
I wonder what it would be like to develop top pitching prospects solely for bullpen roles.
Maybe one day the Rangers will find out.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
while there’s a positive side to it, it does also underline those two guys failing to become front line starters so far, and at different times, each looked like he would be one by now.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the picture
It looks like Scioscia is about to slam his hands into the umps ears.
Either that or he is saying “You are standing in a pile of crap this high”
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My ballot
Mike Scioscia
Ron Washington
Don Wakamatsu
I had to email Eric Simon to get it, because I forgot who I voted for.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 9, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why not Gardenhire?
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington over Wakamatsu?
You picked the Rangers to win 84 games or somesuch, correct?
You realize that Seattle lost 101 games in 2008, don’t you?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What if I picked the M's to win 81 games or somesuch?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 9, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Seattle lost 101 games last year?
I didn’t realize that!
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You honestly believe that Ron Washington was the superior manager to Wakamatsu
this year?
That just boggles the mind.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 9, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He didn’t do much. It was the GM dumbshit.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 9, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you get your own fucking blog, Josey?
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.
by JDT217 on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So do a bunch of other people
Who keep responding.
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by DaheelzCM on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a valid point though.
If everyone who visited this site with a firefox or an Opera browser had Josey troll scripted, LSB would be a much happier place. And the AM thread’s might actually be worth reading instead of just being an occasion to have fun with the “z” key.
He is hard as hell to ignore though, because he keeps the BS coming till he gets the response he’s looking for.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I'd like to see them do a list
of the top 3 folks who respond to Josey and give them all a one month ban.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But how do you count that?
I’m responding to you who responded to DaheelzCM who responded to JDT217 who responded to Josey. Are we all in trouble?
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if there was a way
to track the next post after Josey’s, thats the stat I would want to see. I’m not sure SBN has a way to generate that stat though. Maybe Ben or Adam can ask the tech wizards at SBNation if there is a way to spit out that info and generate a top 10 list of the most easily trolled folks in LSB.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Nov 10, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Josey keeps his own list
He also seems to have enough time on his hands that you might convince him to keep track of it himself…
by MikeEl on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE DO THIS!!!!!
Josey is not the problem, the people who respond are the problem!!
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to think you are a Josey sock puppet.
Or as Josey would put it, a Josey Mindless Cheerleader.
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guns don't kill people!
People kill people!
by JDT217 on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
guns do kill people.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We all know that Seattle didn't improve because of
getting rid of Ibanez’s glove, adding Gutierrez’s glove, replacing Sexson with Branyan, adding Griffey, getting Bedard healthy for more of the season, having a better year from Felix…
Funny how Seattle made some major changes to the roster and improved a bunch, and that’s to the credit of the manager, but even though the Rangers of 2009 were basically the “ugliest team ever created” of 2008 minus Milton Bradley, and the Rangers of 2009 almost to a man forgot how to hit, the team still won more games and the manager had nothing to do with that.
by Inkara1 on Nov 9, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
There were lots of people here who criticized Wash’s managing during the year, but as soon as JW starts bad mouthing him, Wash defenders pop out of the woodwork. Are all the Wash defenders long-time supporters? Or does JW just have the ability to polarize people (against whatever position he takes)?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what I think...
until Josey chimes in. Then I think the opposite.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Nov 9, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure seems like it.
don’t bring yourself down to the level of some of the other mindless sheep on this blog.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Nov 10, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a long time supporter
Granted, he’s ticked me off (mostly the handling of Nellie) but I’ve been a supporter as have a few others (slc ranger and Rodney if I’m not mistaken).
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 9, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are definitely on record as supporting Wash
(except for where in the lineup he bat’s Cruz).
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 9, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wash supporters only show up when theres been enough time since the last Wash debacle or dumb quote to forget about it
Also, people hate siding with Josey.
And having him bashing Wash does little for the credibility of those who have a legitimate beef with Ron.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have much credibility when it comes to Ron bashing
Since you bash him every chance you get
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really true.
When he makes a move I agree with, I’ll defend him, and I have, multiple times.
That just doesn’t happen very often.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say the exact same thing about LSJ
When two people notice the same thing, there might be something to it.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
The seasons been over for weeks now of course the Wash makes a lot of boneheaded moves fervor has dissapated. You’re not going to find anywhere near the level of dissatisfaction weeks after the season is over as opposed to when it just happened. Go back to some of the GDT’s during the heat of the moment, that will give a clearer picture, there were a LOT of people on the Wash sucks bandwagon with regularity.
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the seaons over...
maybe he has learned from his mistakes and be better for it next year. I believe in approaching next year with an open mind and really this topic has been discussed soooo many times it’s
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 10, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i really don't like Wash
mainly because the way he handled Cruz and those ensuing lineups and playing Borbon as DH when we were out of it. Also, I don’t want Feliz in the bullpen because Wash will F him up. Feliz should start.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 9, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell
does Trey Hillman get a vote and Joe Maddon get a 2nd place vote? The Royals are just flat out terrible, and the Rays, despite the presence of the Yankees and Red Sox, really underachieved this year.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Nov 9, 2009 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
x
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/9/1122996/sbn-manager-of-the-year-awards#24149357
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 9, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah thanks
`
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Nov 9, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillman got the vote because he didn't kill himself after being so bad
to paraphrase Jeff at LL.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 9, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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