Rangers offer Marlon Byrd, Pudge Rodriguez arbitration

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 1, 2009 5:57 PM CST

The Rangers have offered arbitration to Marlon Byrd and Pudge Rodriguez, which means that they will receive a sandwich pick for either or both guys, if one or both signs with another team.

The deadline for them to accept or decline is Sunday night. Byrd is going to decline, almost certainly, but I think Pudge is going to end up accepting. I think there's a realistic possibility he'll make more money through arbitration than he will in the open market, and he's talked about wanting to stay in Texas (although the departure of Rudy Jaramillo did result in him backing off on that).

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good (obvious) move

I hope Pudge accepts and Byrd takes early money at a higher rate from the Cubbies, giving us the sandwich pick and allowing a replacement to come to us at a cheaper rate early in the spring

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 1, 2009 6:08 PM CST reply actions

duh

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by clark on Dec 1, 2009 6:35 PM CST reply actions

Don't understand offering Pudge

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by Rodney on Dec 1, 2009 6:40 PM CST reply actions

The upside

Of potentially getting a sandwich pick is greater than the downside (TT playing in AAA)

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by Conjunction on Dec 1, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions

I have heard...

A Salty for Buchholz is being offered from the BoSox with VMart going to the Jays with the loss of Pop-up. Ust sayin’….

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by boomer1 on Dec 1, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Well, we're probably gonna bring him back anyway

Since Teagarden blows and Salty… blows too.

Of course, Pudge blows just as hard as either of those two as well, but the Rangers are suckers for “veteran presence”.

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by LSJ on Dec 1, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions

where did this Salty for Buchholz rumor come from?

Am I the only one who thinks that’d be a great trade to make on a prospective starting pitcher? I don’t know tooooo much about Buchholz but isn’t he a fairly highly regarded prospect?

by Tyler H on Dec 1, 2009 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Boomer's kidding

That was last winter’s big rumor. We honestly thought last winter we could get Buchholz for a package centered around Salty or Tea.

Looking back on it now, we where all out of our freaking gourds, which is what Boomer’s joke is.

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by LSJ on Dec 1, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions

No WE didn't

by Brett Perryman on Dec 1, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions

Well, some of us did.

And those rumors did drag on all winter. Though after awhile, the Buchholz part might’ve just been wishful thinking.

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by LSJ on Dec 1, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks

For clearing that up for a newbie man. When I read that I was surprised people weren’t jumping all over it. Sounded like a video game trade the sox would make if the first 4 catchers in their system were suddenly injured.

by Tyler H on Dec 1, 2009 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

I thought you and Athos...

…were going to come to blows over the viability of Salty + Poveda for Buchholz.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 1, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions

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by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions

to be fair

some of us proposed salty for a bowden and bard package, and some of us would have been more than happy with that.

and also to be fair, Salty was ripping apart winter ball with the blessed combo of power and patience. I don’t think it was too crazy that he could be flipped for something of value.

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by clark on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions

You know, I'd still take Satly over Bowden and Bard.

And some of us seem to think there is finality to this. That Buchholz for Salty’ is clearly laughable. I’m not so sure. Talk to me a year from now.

by octoberty on Dec 2, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions

and you know who outpitched Buchholz last year

this guy. At some point all rationale was thrown out the window and he became an obsession.

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by clark on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions

I like that walk rate.

by chrisR on Dec 2, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions

I don't really like that K rate

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 2, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions

i don't usually track this

but it seems like most teams aren’t offering arbitration to players at a higher rate than normal. Am I mistaken on this?

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by NothinG on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions

Maybe

Haven’t seen any numbers on it, but that was theory going into this offseason. Which caused much gnashing of teeth from the players’ union with their claims of collusion.

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by WyoRanger on Dec 1, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions

Lots of factors

The economy being the huge one. But also as Juan Cruz proved last year teams don’t want to give up 1st round draft picks that easily.

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by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions

Just out of curiousity

What prevents a Type B player and a team, especially when there is good relations between them, from making a gentleman’s agreement that the team will offer arbitration and the player will decline. Is there a reason the player wouldn’t do it. I can see where a Type A wouldn’t do it because it would make them less marketable if the club that signs them has to give up their first pick, but why wouldn’t a Type B player agree to that?

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by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions

Sure there are reasons both sides wouldn't do it

Player – he made an agreement with his old team (to which he owes nothing) to screw over his new team. You think that would go over well with his new teammates if they found out?
Team – despite what they claim, they are always colluding a little. If the team entered this agreement, they’ve 1) screwed over another team and co-owner; and 2) they’ve increased player salary, something they are loathe to do for any reason.

by WyoRanger on Dec 1, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions

signing a type b

doesnt cost the new team anything, except one lower slot in the draft. so the new team isn’t really getting screwed here.

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by clark on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions

Will Carroll

talked about this on twitter the other day. He said to keep in mind if you see some surprise Arb offers that it’s likely they had a preexisting agreement for the player to decline it.

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 2, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions

with all the odds stacked against this team

a little collusion isn’t the worst thing in the world.

But then again, everything I know about business ethics I learned from Billy Madison.

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by clark on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions

I don't see what the big deal is if a player and team agree to that

I’m sure it happens all the time, really

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 2, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions

That has happened in the past

A couple of years ago, it happened all the time.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions

Pudge

The Giants, Mets, and Royals have interest in free agent catcher Ivan Rodriguez, assuming he doesn’t accept the Rangers’ arbitration offer. Heyman says the Royals were trying to sign Brian Schneider before the Phillies signed him.

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by RangerMad on Dec 2, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions