Thursday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2009 9:13 AM CST
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PrintSo, yeah, busy day yesterday.
Jeff Wilson says the Rangers still aren't done, as they want another starting pitcher or two, a catcher, an infielder, and a power bat. I'm not sure why they would want two more starting pitchers, unless you are counting Rich Harden as one of the two...
T.R. Sullivan says the Rangers have reached a tentative deal with the Red Sox on a Mike Lowell for Max Ramirez trade, but reports this morning indicate that nothing is final yet.
For those of you who get all cranky when we talk about the Rangers' financial limitations, you can skip the part after the jump.
Jeff Wilson says that the Kevin Millwood deal was a straight salary dump, a move the Rangers were forced to make in order to be able to afford Rich Harden. Millwood expressed disappointment because he thinks this team is on the cusp of being a playoff team, and he won't be here to experience it.
Over at ESPN Dallas, Ben Rogers echoes a lot of the thoughts we've expressed about how sad it is that the Rangers are handcuffed this offseason financially.
Looked at another way, the Rangers' lack of financial flexibility is costing them Max Ramirez. The inability of the Rangers to spend money on a bat resulted in them having to move Ramirez so that the BoSox would pick up all of Lowell's salary. The Rangers are, for all intents and purposes, selling Max Ramirez for $3-4 million to Boston so they can afford Mike Lowell.
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No kidding...what a day!!
Yesterday was great…and I’m not just talking about from a transaction standpoint…it was a day in mid-December where I was concentrating on baseball without even giving a second thought to the Cowboys or any other sport.
Nice job by JD…the man has so little to work with but is not letting that stop him…here’s hoping he has something else up his sleeve to bring in a power hitter to solidify the line up.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 10, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Ditto,,.. What a day.
Thank to all the Ranger activity it turned what started out as a horrible day into a much better day. Baseball let me forget that my unemployment tax was tripled and I got a 38% increase in the health benefits for my employees. This for a company that is hiring and providing benefits to its employees. F@#K the government it almost as bad as Hicks.
Thank you JD
That sucks for Millwood not being here.
He’s always been a stand up guy. I like him as a person…just not as a pitcher. heh.
Yup
Gotta feel a little bad for the guy. Isn’t it refreshing to see a pitcher who’s sad to leave? Besides, from the get go, he had the right mindset about pitching at tBIA.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
No shit...
I too have been pretty meh on Millwood, but the fact that he thinks this team is on the cusp and he wanted to be a part of it earns him points in my book.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
he a good guy
hes gonna love baltimore though (in general – but especially camden yards)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
yea, and unfortunately for him, the O's year might be in 2011 and he'll likely be gone from there after this year
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Anyone like him?
Ken_Rosenthal Marlins’ versatile IF Alfredo Amezaga possible non-tender.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
im interested
since 06 has played 20+ games at:
CF
2b
LF
SS
3b
and 10 games in RF
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
also coming off microfracture surgery
but supposed to be ready for ST
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
F Tom Hicks!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 10, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Almost perfect AJM
AJM my compliments to you on a superb analysis of the Millwood trade posted last night. All too often people see only haalf the picture but your analysis was awesome. GREAT JOB,
Adiitionally I must give JD a ton of credit for being creative given the limitations he is under due to the ownership.
@Evan_P_Grant Don’t expect any rangers developments for couple hours. Daniels flying back….harden has early afternoon physical.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I really didn't want to have to do any actual work today
Thanks JD, thanks.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Great moves imo with more possibly coming?
JD is not letting fans down by searching and acquiring now vs three months from now. Nobody wants to wait that long. Not to mention usually the players left are garbage.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Red or blue?
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
it could be pink for all I care
we’ve got an Ace!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'll be right behind the 3rd base dugout opening day...
…my hope is to make direct eye contact with Harden and his sea blue eyes as he backs up 3rd on a deep fly hit to right field.
Too bad that no one will get to 2nd base.
Guy can dream huh?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Millwood from the clearance rack..
..we’re in a recession man.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Kinsler will be in there most likely
I’m starting to somewhat dislike him, yet I bought a red baby Kinsler shirt for my child. Not a jersey I guess..but still.
i don't know anyone named kinsler. we don't have a second baseman according to me.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
yea, if Elvis was in Boston or NY
well he’d have been laid by 35000 women and have had another two zeroes added to that in terms of jersey sells.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
If Andrus was in NY
Derek would go to every msg board on the internet and let everyone know what he really said was
“ATTA BOY ELIVS!”
Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."
hamilton
FOTF
kinsler
andrus
harden
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
1. Sikorski
2. Loe
3. Hidalgo
4. Carlos Lee
5. Kata
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
aww
kam loe :(
remember the kata for MVP stuff? lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
My list
1) Sledge
2) Otsuka
3) Fullmer
4) Valdez
5) Thames
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot-oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such-and-such.
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wonder what hes doing these days
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think he did too
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
richard hidalgo has to be somewhere in there
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
I think the Rangers should've salary dumped Millwood regardless of the financial situation.
I do feel bad for Millwood, though. It’s just the nature of a fastly improving team that they need to give the young guys a chance at the expense of his blah veteranness.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Honestly I agree
Even if his $12MM contract was on the Yankees, if they could get someone else to take it in this market then they would also have more to spend elsewhere and more effectively improve their team.
But then I’m still pretty bitter about Millwood’s post-ASB performance last year. Have a feeling several of our in house replacement options are just as good or better.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Coolidge
by hubcityraider on Dec 10, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't want the Rangers to allow Millwood's option to vest
too much for a mediocre pitcher. If his option had not vested, we would not have offered him arbitration and we would not have any compensation for losing him. Instead, we were able to get a possibly LOOGY in the Rule 5 draft and Chris Ray, a former closer. With the saved money we sign Harden (I don’t like that it is a mutual option, those almost never get exercised). I expected Harden to get more than a 6.5 million (1M buyout) deal). Those were good moves.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
had it not vested
would have had a complaint from the MLBPA guaranteed.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Harden alone would have made this whole offseason incredible
adding Ray, Milton Bradley (by trading Lowell), plus the two LOOGY possibilities we picked up would be incredible.
Bye bye Angels
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
what about board game and lowell?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
There was talk of the Cubs being interested in Lowell for Bradley, and possibly looking for a 3rd team to get involved.
Supposedly. That would be awesome if true.
that would be awesome.
id be all over that lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
assuming the angels dont bring in halladay, sheets, the corner OF, etc
im not sure how good they are gonna be next year
lol they may HAVE to give brandon wood a shot lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
yea seattle is who scares me
especially if they get sheets/bedard lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
what?
I can’t feel that excited about this move? We haven’t had a starter with this kind of talent translated into the majors since Nolan Ryan’s days. And I have every belief that this offense will turn it back on…especially if we get the Board Game back.
I’m sure there’s plenty of “the Angels keep doing it every year so we have to respect them until we finally pass them” to be said, but that’s not going to be me saying it. I’m saying we’re about to put our foot on their throat and step down firmly.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
IF we had kept Millwood and brought in Harden
to replace what Padilla/Benson gave us, I’d say that was a move forward but this solved one problem and created another.
The Lowell acquisition is a yawner.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
You clearly don't think the young pitchers can give the Rangers what Millwood would like have given them.
And I clearly disagree with you on that point.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I think we all can look at the numbers and see that
heck, Im not so sure Nipper pitching all of Milly’s innings next year wont give us better results.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Yeah Millwood looked done to me
In spite of people hating all over me yesterday, I’m still glad they got rid of him. Rich or poor I’m pretty sure it was addition by subtraction. What I don’t know is how well the young guys will fill his spot.
Everybody can dog pile me again.
by Black Francis on Dec 10, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm?
Which problem did we solve and which did we create?
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Clearly
we can’t find someone to replace the below replacement level innings Benson gave us
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He's more upset we haven't replaced his wifes fake tits.
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot-oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such-and-such.
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Thursdays, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Harden replacing the innings we received from Padilla/Benson is a
massive upgrade and giant step forward.
We now need somebody to do what Millwood did, 198 IPs with what, 21 Game Scores of 50+.
Who does that next year for the Rangers?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Well
I, like everybody except you, don’t give a shit about game scores.
I guess I’d like the rotation to have a lot of innings, but you can’t just ask for that in a vacuum. Millwood wasn’t very good. I don’t really care if one guy or three guys contribute. And couldn’t Hunter put up Millwood-esque numbers anyway?
In any case, I’d hope that we obtain another starter.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Hunter could almost replace Millwood in 2010, sure.
You’d hope that a Holland could move towards replacing 2009 Hunter, too.
by FuturePants on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I have all kinds of hope for a pretty good year from Holland this year with around 175 IP
You gotta like alot of the things he did last year and his K/IP and K/BB were very solid
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
I think we have a huge number of high-quality (#4/5) starting pitchers
And when the injuries occur, we are going to have a cache waiting at AAA to fill the innings in. I’m not going to be sad when Harrison/Nippert/Holland/Feliz/McCarthy/Hunter/Moscoso/Hurley has to make a spot start.
That’s depth, baby
Which goes back to AJM's excellent writeup last night
Milly is one of those guys more than he is a true ace. When you exchange him for an ace, you’re increasing the upside of your #1 spot with the knowledge that if Harden gets hurt, you’ve still got plenty of Milly-esque guys hanging around for the league minimum.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Millwood sucks.
Anyone bitching about this deal is crazy. We’ve got potentially five better starting pitchers on the roster in Harden, Hunter, Holland, Feliz and Feldman. Most of us were hoping his option wouldn’t vest, so stop bitching now.
I agree... regardless of whether you NEED to salary dump
no one can convince me that paying another $9M to have Millwood on this team would be worth it.
I’m sad that our financial constraints potentially don’t allow us to sign ANOTHER SP, but I’m not sad that we gave up a player who was bound to be worth less than we paid him.
hey adam
asked in rule 5 thread but will post here anyway
how much weight do you think mendoza’s mexican league results are helping him for next year in the eyes of the org/making the 25 man?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think some
But the reality is, he and Arias are the two most likely candidates to get dropped, unless they decide they don’t want to hang onto Inglett.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
im interested in amazaga
although he did have microfrature surgery last year…fishstripes
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Lowell has had a great career
but at this point he’s fairly spare and because of his age, health is now a big issue with him.
Given what the Rangers did in ’09 and what they need to get to the next level, this is a rather underwhelming move with limited upside. This team is filled with 6-7 hitters and they just got another one.
The SS Hank F Blalock has sailed for different waters (and he needed to get away from this situation) but depending where he lands, I fully expect him to have a better 2010 than Mike Lowell.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
So, you are underwhelmed by JD and Co's efforts?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I don't really think we've improved and we are putting a lot
of pressure on players and several pitchers to do things they’ve either never done or didn’t do last year. We’re just smushing around food on our plate and looking busy but not really doing anything.
Harden is a massive upgrade to the 130 IPs Benson / Padilla gave us but he’s a huge question mark and to acquire him a gaping hole (198 IPs from Millwood) was created.
I think Lowell is yet another #6-7 hitter with average onbase skills who has a limited upside plus he’s old and in decline. Anything he gives the team above 14/61 and a .790 OPS is a bonus that I’m not expecting.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You can't deny the Rangers would be improved at DH should the Lowell move go down.
He’s not a #4 hitter, but the Rangers do improve with him as the primary DH over any of their internal options. And, for $3M, they’re willing to spend on Lowell, they’ll now go shopping around and see if they can do better.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I'm not going to be shocked if Lowell is the player that Wash chooses to
replace Marlon Byrd in his line-up (hitting him clean-up) citing his “veteran presence” or some bullshit like that.
Lowell is an old player with very limited upside and shouldn’t be counted on for much next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
see THIS is what i worry about
i have about as much confidence in wash setting a lineup as i do koko the gorilla
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
LOL my moneys on Koko doing the better job
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
"you're being racist"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs_rXxi0zhM
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
He's got a gritty goatee though
You look at his face and it just screams VETERAN PRESENCE.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
or you just scream period!
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
by BigGuns on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I found this pretty hilarious.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
And he's an improvement over last year at DH.
I never said Lowell should replace Byrd (or even that Byrd should be a #4 hitter).
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
so you would rather have millwood than harden?
does not compute
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
blah blah blah
it doesn’t really matter what happens. If the GM does something, you’ll take the other side. Unless, of course, if Nolan Ryan comes out and approves the deals.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Not necessarily.
I liked the Darren O’Day move.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
resign and tearfully admit
he had no business even entering a ballpark.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Dec 10, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm very non-plussed by the Mike Lowell
move.
He’s a 36 years old #6-7 hitter in decline with recent health problems and he cost us an intriguing prospect.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Come on.
“Intriguing prospect”?
Now you’re just being ridiculous.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
well he WAS intriguing
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
The point is JD sucks and every move he makes is bad
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Not true.
I liked the Darren O’Day move.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Most of your positions are indefensible, but to argue that move would have been the most indefensible move in the history of the internet
So it’s not like you stepped out on a limb there.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
I haven't called the Harden or Lowell Trades
terrible moves…I just don’t think we’ve taken a step forward.
Yeah, we’re “looking busy” but I think we’re running place.
Are we now expected to win more than 87 games (say the minimum 93 games it usually takes to make it to post-season) based on the moves we’ve made this off-season?
I don’t think so.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Lowell's "league average" OBP was better than our team OBP in 2009
As well as the OBP from Blalock and Jones, who combined to play 102 games at DH (I dont have time to see who the other DHs were).
So how is that not a step forward?
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Rangers DH's
Jones 53
Blalock 49
Borbon 21
Murphy 11
Hamilton 6
Cruz 4
Davis 4
Pudge 3
Salty 1
FOTF 1
Clearly, DH was an OBP MACHINE last season
League average OBP from Lowell at DH? Oh how that would hurt!
Thanks for looking that up, iblum.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
that's fine to have an opinion
but I think you’re wrong.
just admit one thing: are we better off now, than we were two days ago…yes or no.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
If everything breaks right (everybody stays healthy), we're doing
nothing more than running in place.
Everything breaks right defined as Harden giving us 140 IPs and Lowell playing 115 games.
If the health problems of these players come back and Max turns into a pretty good major league hitter, we’ll be lucky to finish above .500 and the shotgun in JD’s mouth just went off.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
If . . . Max turns into a pretty good major league hitter, we’ll be lucky to finish above .500
by NoNameOnCard on Dec 10, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Talk about a
paradoxical argument
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Max turning into a good player
becomes a problem for JD’s mouth if the players we received aren’t healthy and the team finishes below .500.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Why are you obsessed with JD's mouth?
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot-oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such-and-such.
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by Maximilian on Dec 10, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
'If everything breaks right we're doing nothing more than running in place."
Please explain to me how having a BETTER OBP FROM OUR DH THAN WE DID LAST YEAR is “running in place.”
Do you live in some sort of alternate reality where Blalock didn’t OBP .277 and Jones didn’t OBP .323?
You criticized Lowell for having a league average earlier this morning and yet refuse to acknowledge that “league average” is better than what we had last year!
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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so everything breaking right
couldn’t possibly include Harden tossing 180+ innings of Cy Young candidacy?
couldn’t possibly include Chris Ray becoming the AL West’s best setup man?
couldn’t possibly include Mike Lowell dropping a .300/.360/.500 line from the DH slot?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that was Nolan's move??
He had to sign off on all of it right??
So was Nolan signing off on all of these moves that happened yesterday?? You are so inconsistent with your arguements. First all the moves that JD made after Nolan arrived are because Nolan is a genius but now, with Nolan still being here, you are jumping on these trades as if they are all JDs ideas?? Get over yourself man.
For 1, you are way off base on these trades. They all, including Lowell if it goes down, makes this team immediately better going forward. 2, if they are bad trades, isnt it Nolan’s fault??
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
JD seems to be running things this
off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
awesome.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty much like every other off-season and every other baseball centered move!!
Ok cool!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Well, JD definitely traded AG, CYoung,
Soriano and John Danks for several sacks of shit and Ron Washington was his big hire.
Credit him for spending nearly $ 10 million on Broussard, JJennings and Fukomori as well
After February 6, 2008 thru this past season he didn’t do anything without Nolan Ryan’s approval.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
And I don't know what Max Ramirez
will ultimately become as a hitter but every Lewinsky in here better hope he doesn’t do anything substantial in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
See, you did it again.
I have no problem with you pointing out JDs early struggles. BC he did. Fair enough. But then you forget to mention the trade that happend in July of 2007. Remember that one? Im pretty sure that was ALL JD and it was possibly the trade of the century!!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
He remembers all right
Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting “I told ya so.”
Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."
Baseball Prospectus called it one of the best deadline deals in history
And that was despite the rampant “front office dumbassery” that was occurring at the time.
Or was the trade actually part of the dumbassery? I get so confused.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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When you find some evidence to support that "February 6, 2008" bit, let me know
Those of us in the legal profession have learned that it takes some, you know, evidence to prove that something actually happened.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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I didn't see near the Ranger FO
dumbassery I saw from October ’05 thru February ’08.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Again, give me real evidence
“A happened, therefore B must have been the cause” is not evidence.
I had a hamburger for lunch today. I drank coffee this morning. That must have been why I had a hamburger.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Seriously, how is this guy still not banned?
Adam, are you actually going to let Josey troll like this where he just does a complete 180 on anything just to trash JD?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 10, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah he will, AJM's a libertarian you know.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I like having Josey around.
I don’t know why.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Every village needs an idiot.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Dec 10, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Now he’s an intriguing prospect?
Quite a turnaround from a couple of days ago
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll ignore this.
That’s how he operates when he’s been dominated.
the problem is this happens with more frequency these days
which is why he is not apart of sub-threads for nearly as long anymore
I have not totally dismissed the possibility of Max
becoming a productive major league hitter.
I withheld compliments on JD for the Lofton signing because Max hadn’t done in anything in The Show to date.
Now that the Lofton signing a shitty team four months of a 40 year old CF and one year of Mike Lowell, I think it’s fair to call that $ 6 million signing a waste.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I’ve missed all those contributions Max
made to the big league club after he was acquired.
His biggest accomplishment to date is helping give the minor league system depth but he’s 25 years old now and hasn’t done a thing in The Show.
When he contributes meaningfully in The Show, we can give JD credit for a good trade but to this point it was a waste of $ 6 million by a team on a small market payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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I liked it better
when Josey went missing for a while
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
by sunlegend54 on Dec 10, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Josey you ignorant slut.
Lofton came hear and played well, then brought back an “intriguing prospect”. Win, win.
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heh I miss Roseanne RoseannaDanna...
the SNL skit that made famous “you ignorant slut”
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
No, that was a separate skit
the ignorant slut bit was a take off on point-counterpoint.
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Jane,
You ignorant slut
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
Jane Curtin and Akroyd. Roseanne’s tagline was “nevermind”.
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was Roseanne the bit ..
with the drops of sweat dripping off the nose?
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
I don't remember sweat
she would rant on and on about something, then Dan or Jane would point out that she was completely wrong in some horribly obvious way and she would say “well then, never mind.”
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x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7gLJr03vNQ
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
it was Gilda Radner who said that right?
may have been another skit…been so long.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
okay.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Millwood won't reach 198IP
in 2010. I doubt he pitches 150 innings. Harden may equal Millwoods innings this year which makes him a huge upgrade over Millwood.
|Space for Rent|
even then
if you get 140 IP at a 120 era+ from harden you need 60 IP of 80 era+ to = millwood over his 4 years in tx
if you get 140 IP at a 110 era+ from harden you need 60 IP of 90 era+ to = millwood over his 4 years in texas
60 IP of 80-90 era+ pitchers are NOT too terribly difficult to find i dont think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
I am expecting the 07-08 version of Millwood to show up in Baltimore. I won’t miss him.
|Space for Rent|
Millwood vs the AL East
won’t be pretty
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
same here
but i hope for his sake its the 09 luckyluckylucky pitcher so he can make some $$ somewhere after next yr
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
come on Josey Wales let the healing begin!
The majority of Ranger fans jizzed in their pants last night and you can’t even get it hard. The Rangers let go of an old used up pitcher and got a stud in return you should be happy!!
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
flagged as troll
for another Blalock comparison. He’s gone. Get over it
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Whatever
If the Rangers had re-signed Blalock were the Red Sox going to pay his salary? Probably not.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I'm not going to dwell on Blalock v Lowell (others can do that)
Blalock is gone and needed to get the hell outta this place but it’s something to watch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If you're trying to decide whether the Rangers have improved, you have to think about Lowell v. Blalock.
Blalock is the level from which the Rangers would like to improve.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
So you won't bring up Blalock and his testicles from this point forward?
Okay…I’ve got you down for that.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
JW
blalock – 97 ops+, 2359 PA, .263 BA, 88 HR, 116 2b, .766 OPS, .318 OBP, .449 slg
lowell – 104 ops+, 2794 PA, .283 BA, 83 HR, 176 2bm .795 OPS, .339 OBP, .456 SKG
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Lowell
Yeah, he’s essentially replacing Blalock as the 1b/3b/DH combo platter.
But unfortunately, he only has one testicle.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
but so does lance armstrong
and see what hes done!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Hack was the one who
Had his bitten off?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
You're obsessing again, Rodney.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
if blalock could hit lefties like Lowell is capable of doing, he might still be here
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
lowell is the hitting verson of millwood
12 mil salary? check
old? check
104 ops+ over the last 5 years? check
going to be flashy? no
going to be solid? yes
at the end of the day, i dont like it because of giving maxram (if we had the $$ to spare we could get him for a lot less – our own chris ray-like player i bet) but we dont.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
lowell vs blalock last 5 years
blalock – 97 ops+, 2359 PA, .263 BA, 88 HR, 116 2b, .766 OPS, .318 OBP, .449 slg
lowell – 104 ops+, 2794 PA, .283 BA, 83 HR, 176 2bm .795 OPS, .339 OBP, .456 SKG
from an offensive standpoint
that said, lowell has a grand total of 0 MLB games at 1b…but then again if andruw jones can play 1b im sure lowell can heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Not that I'm not in favor of lowell over blalock
but:
Feb. 24, 1974
vs
Nov. 21, 1980
I hadn’t looked at Lowell’s stats before now, but I just noticed that he’s played 100+ games every year since 2000
it's not all said and done yet
but if it were, and you said we could have Millwood, MaxRam and $3 mil cash OR Harden, Ray, Lowell and -$3 mil cash…not that that’s the way it works…I’d take the latter hands down.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Love the relevant replies
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
This is funny.
The SS Hank F Blalock has sailed for different waters (and he needed to get away from this situation) but depending where he lands, I fully expect him to have a better 2010 than Mike Lowell.
You have absolutely no reason to think or say that.
Mark it down...i guess
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Josey
I wonder if baseball would be any different if they ran around the bases clockwise instead of counter-clockwise. I mean, righty batters would have an advantage, would all the little quick lefties who have no power (Juan Pierre) would be out of jobs? Would you now want left handed SS and 2b? Is that why in the 1860s they picked counterclockwise? There weren’t enough lefties?
Go Rice Owls!
5 more days until the deadline to at least choose a winning bidder
it’s like a Christmas countdown to the beginning of the end of Hicks. I look forward to the day that he is gone
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Lowell
meh in the extreme. I’m not sure he’ll pass a physical, and if he does I doubt he stays healthy. If they’re going to trade Max I wish they’d have gotten someone a bit more exciting.
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id be 100% ok with it
if we werent giving maxram
honestly if we were giving doug mathis would people care at all? i doubt it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
no kidding
I’m higher on Mathis right now than MaxRam
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
because maxram was hurt and mathis, historically, hasnt been good or what?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Mathis has shown the ability to get ML hitters out
MaxRam did get hurt and he is in line for a bounce back year, but he does not have a a position with this team (catcher but he’s questionable defensively), and hasn’t proven anything in the Majors as far as hitting is concerned. He still has plenty of time to prove himself, just right now I’m a little higher on Mathis. Of course, either guy is pretty expendible for their value.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
fair enough
i just dont like selling low on maxram
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
when we need more catching
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
We're doing the Red Sox a huge favor
and shouldn’t be giving up a prospect like Max to do so. Wasn’t he a top 5-10 prospect on the team with the best minor league system last year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
hey im with you
i dont mind trading FOR lowell i mind what we give up
in theory, lowell isnt a bad pickup for the team (id rather have vizquel, but whatever) that said, maxram, millwood for lowell, ray is not a deal i like very much and that will be essentially what we are trading/getting back)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Aren't you forgetting Harden?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
fuzzy math on my end
my bad there
ignore that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
He was a top 5-10 before his horrible 2009
Now hes a 10-15 guy on his last option year coming off a serious injury for a slugger. Theres a pretty decent chance he gets DFAd this season or next if his power doesn’t come back
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
this is the arguement in favor of moving him
the other arguement is that your selling very low on a guy who was a top 5-10 guy in the #1 farm system in the game
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
12 months ago
hes not that anymore
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
however he was injured last year
which gives him a mulligan in my book
one way or another its selling very low on him, which is what i dont like
buy low, but never sell low
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, nobody ever comes back from a wrist injury
it’s a virtual death sentence.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Dec 10, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
"kiss of death"
wrist injury is the new labrum surgery lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Rangers feel pretty safe in trading MaxRam
With his lack of a long-term position, his ultimate value is going to always be as a DH. Throw in the lost year of development time and his age and this is probably the best time to trade him for a win now move.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
i was under the impression that he got significantly better
the alst 2 years behind the plate
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
He might have gotten better
Still wasn’t really good enough to want as your starting catcher and he’s also lost that year of development time that probably took him a step or two down from where he was.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
just imagine
trading Arias when he had his first slip from prospect glory
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
You're suddenly saying nice things
about the return Daniels got for Lofton? How unsurprisingly inconsistent of you.
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I wasn't going to give credit to JD
about the return he got for Lofton until Max did something in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
yea this is how he is
if we traded maxram straight up for halladay he still wouldnt be happy about the lofton deal cuz of mxram doing nothing for the rangers at MLB level
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
So why does it matter that we traded him?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Which is one of the things
that makes you out of touch with how teams value players. If Beane makes exactly the same move you’d be saying it was savvy.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Max just did something
He got us Lowell – a proven Vet in The Show.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
DO the Rangers have any financial flexibility left?
Millyfor Harden and Ray is a break even salary move. Lowell and all of his 2010 salary for maxram adds nothing to the payroll. Before the winter meetings my recollection was there was some money for FA just not a ton. Does anyone got a feel for where the Rangers stand for 2010 commitments vs where the plan to have their 2010 payroll?
From what I gather
There appears to be less than $5MM available to spend.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Coolidge
by hubcityraider on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the $3M the Rangers would pick up on Lowell's contract is a pretty good indicator.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Yesterday's moves
Essentially, JD traded Millwood and Ramirez for Lowell, Ray, and Ben Snyder, signed Harden, and saved a bit of money that can be used towards further moves.
What the Rangers won’t put this team over the top, but considering what little flexibility Hicks has given JD to work with this winter, it’s wasn’t a bad day’s work, either.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
And each player he acquired (other than Snyder)
has had debilitating injuries in the last couple of years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of debilitating injuries
How’s your head doing?
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Dec 10, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what debilitating injury has harden had?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Something has kept Harden from going
more than 148 IPs over the last 5 years.
Bringing in Harden puts even more pressure on a bully that’s decided to send both CJ & Feliz to the starting rotation. Somebody needs to step up and give us the 198 IPs Millwood gave us next year.
Here’s a glimmer of optimism. CJ has reminded me a lot of the Kenny Rogers we saw that came up in the late 80s/early 90s and the first year Rogers became a full-time starter he went 16-10 and gave the team 208 IPs the year after appearing in 81 games.
IF that happens, we’ve improved.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
And each player he acquired (other than Snyder) has had debilitating injuries in the last couple of years.
harden has been dinged up a lot, yes. dinged up does not = debilitating injury
also ray’s TJ does not = debilitating injury (85+% chance of coming back from it)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Rich Harden made a total
of 35 starts from 2005-2007 and the moment he showed any semblance of health Billy Beane traded him although there were 1.5 years before he was to hit free agency.
The Cubs aren’t keeping him, the Cards liked him but didn’t sign because of health concerns and the Ms lost him to us because they wouldn’t give him more guaranteed money.
I’m hoping Harden can give us 140 mostly high quality IPs but it seems like it would be foolish to depend on that happening.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Ahh yes, the great Billy Beane who never makes a mistake traded him
Therefore there was something wrong with him at the time and Beane just wasn’t looking to collect a return before he walked.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
still waiting for the debilitating injury link JW
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
You didn't see where Rich Harden started only 4 games in 2007?
Whatever was bothering him seemed to be debilitating.
Lowell’s 2008 season was cut short by hip surgery and it bothered him some last year as well (played in fewer than 120 games).
Chris Ray didn’t pitch in 2008.
What else do you need?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
debilitating
Lowell played in 119 games, 4 fewer than your hero, and 4 fewer than Blalock appeared in in 2006 and 2007 combined!
Ray had TJ surgery. he missed alot of time, but the recovery rate from that is pretty high.
Harden has started 51 games over the last two years, and the reason he only started 26 games last year was back spasms. (as in, a non-arm related injury). And, despite a flukishly high 12.9% HR/FB rate, and a near career high .300 BABIP (despite an average 18% LD rate), he still managed a 4.07 ERA and 4.72 RA. oh, and a 10.9 K/IP ratio to go with a WHIP of 1.340 (Millwoods WHIP was 1.339)
Harden had what could easily be called a down year
And yet, we would have killed for a Rangers pitcher to post those kinds of numbers prior to last season.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
I'd like to take this moment to say
What a horrible deal by Beane to move Harden at that time and for that crappy of a return. I said at the time that it looked like a bad deal and that’s how it turned out. Beane was either that scared of Harden reinjuring himself or really missed on Gallagher, Murton, and co.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yep, it was hilarious bc Oakland was smack dab in the middle of a playoff run
their team started hot… who knew they’d fall off after the GM traded their ace while they were only games back of Anaheim for the division lead
Off the top of my head
Beane hit better against LHP in ’86 (when those stupid sonofabitches in Minn decided to play him) than Hack last year, so clearly Beane is superior to Donuts.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
how many times do I have to mention
Feliz, Harrison, McCarthy, Moscoso, Nippert, Kiker, Hurley and the countless other replacement options we have SHOULD Harden go down? throw CJ in there if you want
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Josey the village idiot
Harden averaged 5.4 IP/ start last year, the lowest of his career. His career average is 5.8 innings per start.
Seems to me that his signing isn’t going to hurt the bullpen at all. And if you think CJ will be starting games for the Rangers this year, then that debilitating injury of yours is getting much worse.
Millwood & Ramirez
Haven’t exactly been 100% lately, either. Not to mention Millwood’s conditioning issues.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
I was hoping for a sunny day on the 7th of may so I could say HAY to all of my friends.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
yeah we all read and discussed about it yesterday
I don’t think that much of that deal. I do think the Angels won’t rest until they get another top-notch starting pitcher, however.
please stop
we have one of the top 2 or 3 pitchers in this division now…something we haven’t been able to say in quite some time
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
if TOR accepts that im going to really laugh
sanders: career 106 era+, 2.9 bb/9, 5.2 k/9, 1.37 whip
erick aybar: career 103 era+
that deal is worse than what the indians got for lee lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
yes ops+ oops
granted, hes good on defense but thats just a joke of an offer
id think that anything from philly with brown or taylor (who is who TOR should bea ll over) or drabek and anything decent along with it would be better than that
i mean at that rate an offer of smoak or holland and depth gets it done lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'm going to cry if so.
As bleh as that is for the Blue Jays…that would really suck for Halladay to be apart of the Angels. Maybe if they don’t get an extension worked out it would be somewhat better if they did trade for him.
And then cry, right?
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
there's no way that happens
is there? even if so, while Halladay is an improvement over Saunders, it’s not as if healthy Lackey + Saunders isn’t better than Halladay + whatever filler they find
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Halladay's no trade clause
if Halladay still has his no trade clause, and if I remember, he hates pitching in Arlington, wouldn’t he shy away from other AL West teams, as he might have to pitch in Arlington even more on those teams?
Guess you have your PastPants on today
by Mike E on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
The Angels rival the Yankees (pre-Granderson) in what they think are good trade offers
Someone needs to hand them a BA analysis of Aybar and Saunders or something, they seem to think they’re both All-Stars.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
hey aybar is solid
dont get me wrong
but TOR needs more than solid for halladay
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
what were they asking from us again?
Holland, Smoak, Beavan, plus? I’m sure I’m way off…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
it was close to that, but more like
Holland+Smoak+Borbon+Kiker or something insane like that
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Pitching depth
As it stands how, by my count, there are 8 pitchers, who any other year would make the Rangers 25 man roster coming out of spring, that are going to be disappointed.
I count 20 pitchers vying for 12 spots (5 starters, 7 relievers):
Harden
Feldman
McCarthy
Hunter
Holland
Feliz
Francisco
O’Day
Wilson
Ray
Nippert
Snyder
Rapada
Harrison
Hurley
Mathis
Mendoza
Moscoso
Madrigal
Strop
Any others I missed?
went with 5 and 8
rotation of
Harden
Feldman
Hunter
Holland
Feliz/McCarthy
pen, as of now
FX2
CJ
DOD
Ray
Mathis (does he have any options left?)
Feliz/McCarthy
Rapada/Snyder for the LOOGY
Niippert
Strop (another hard thrower out of the pen, but he could us more time in AAA)
AAA
Moscoso
Madrigal
Mendoza
Hurley (both he and Harrison can work on their stuff as they continue to get healthier)
Harrison
there will be alot of competition, but I think it will work itself out, especially if Ray can’t stay healthy or is ineffective etc.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I want to say Mathis will be on his last option year
But he may have used that up last year.
Frankie, CJ, Ray, Rapada, Snyder, and Nippert are all out of options or cannot be sent down (technically CJ isn’t but really whats the likelihood of that happening).
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
depends on the health of Ray
but the real difficulty is Nippert/Mathis if Mathis is out of options.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't think thats a difficulty
As someone mentioned last night Mathis could be a similar role to Wright and jennings the last couple years while Nippert is the long man/spot starter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
coming soon...
Kiker, Beavan, Main if he catches back on
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget...
Tanner Scheppers and Martin Perez first!
by Bats and Balls on Dec 10, 2009 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and Danny Gutz?
he’s closer than Main
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
really 15 going for 7 spots
as there aren’t any scenarios I can imagine where, if healthy, Harden, Feldman, O’day, Wilson and Francisco aren’t on the opening day roster. A few others are highly probable but those five can be written in pen.
i think you can add a few more in pen
Holland and Hunter for sure
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
plus Ray (we're talking if healthy here)
and I’m going to say Feliz as a bullpen arm; Holland as a starter
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Ramirez
I would sell a 25-year old 1B/DH who has never hit above AA for $4 million any day of the week, even if I didn’t have signfiicant financial restraints.
by Darrell McKown on Dec 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions
Wash got his "track record" guy
Get ready for 600 ABs, whether he OPSs 650 or 850.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
YUP cus he do what he do...and that's it, the Gut say so!
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
He'll have to sit on cold days
when his joints & corns bother him.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
FWIW
Ranger DHs had 38 HR / 97 RBI with an .802 OPS last year.
Has that position been improved?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Yes. Very much so if Wash plays it correctly. Only marginally so if he acts as he normally does.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
thats potentially the biggest IF for the rangers going into 2010
IF wash plays it correctly (in general)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 10, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
It's the second IF in my book, but not very far behind.
The big IF is young players will step forward. But, I’m more hopeful about that IF than I am the Warsh IF.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
IF the training wheels come off Chris Davis
and are allowed to stay off (meaning he no longer hits 8th/9th in the order) and he becomes a dependable/consistent/productive middle of the order hitter and Lowell is relegated to hitting 7th or lower, that’s going to help.
If CDavis/Salty do their Black Hole 2 routine again, we’ve done nothing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
how many times did Chris Davis hit 9th last year?
and why would it matter which spot in the lineup he produces in? I still don’t understand this weak-ass argument of yours.
Answering for JW
Davis started 3 games as the number 9 hitter. he predominantly hit 7th or 8th last year. he started 10 games in 2008 as the number 9 hitter. He also predominantly hit 7th or 8th then too. Personally, my lineup card would look like the following:
CF Borbon
3B Young
LF Hamilton
RF Cruz
2B Kinsler
1B Davis
DH Lowell
C Tea
SS Andrus
I’m a big fan of having a low ob speedster hitting 9th.
Josey - we've upgraded the bullpen and the starting rotation
with the same defense in place, keep in mind the Rangers were on a 98 win pace with Hamilton healthy in the lineup. THAT IS ALL IT TAKES. If we get any improvement out of Andrus, Kinsler, Davis, Salty, etc. that’s gravy…the foundation is Hamilton.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
to be honest though
how hard can it be (as always, health is not taken into consideration here) if Hamilton, Cruz, Borbon, Kinsler, Young, Andrus, Davis, Salty, Teagarden, Lowell and Murphy are all healthy? You start Hamilton in left, Borbon in center, Cruz in right, rotate Murphy in there and at DH where Lowell starts, Salty and Tea can have a 60/40 or 50/50 split, and the infield is set. All you’re looking at is who the other bench bat is, which is likely to be a MIF to spell Andrus/Kinsler; when you play Lowell in the field, Young will be DHing or Davis will be benched.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think the HRs should be about the same
OPS should improve by 40-60 points
So yes we did improve
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You think the HRs will be the same
with Lowell getting 110-120 games at DH?
How many bombs do you think Lowell is going to hit?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Lowell I think will get 15-18
Murphy probably around 20
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Murphy is going to get 20 bombs
as a DH in 40-50 games?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think he'll play alot more than that
Maybe not all those at DH
So maybe the home runs will drop some but the overall quality of our DH will improve. Last year we were home run or bust from DH. This year I think we’ll be more doubles and home runs. More consistent for sure
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
who cares about the HR
I want production. If Borbon and Andrus combine for 15 homers but steal 80 bases combined, getting on base at .350 or better, hitting at .300 or better, scoring 100+ runs each, what does it matter? Especially when they’re capable of piling up those extra base hits the hard way – with doubles and triples.
Same case for the DH. If Lowell/Murphy/“day off rando guy” combine for production, who cares about all the HR?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but how much of that OPS came from Davis' infield hits during the 4 games he DH'd?
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 10, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 10 recs
rec
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, you know what?
Davis’ OPS in those 4 games was 1.176. :)
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Jones and Blalock played 102 out of the 162 games at DH last year (62.9%).
Jones ’09 vs. LHP: .218/.367/.395
Blalock ’09 vs. LHP: .221/.231/.427
Lowell ’09 vs. LHP: .301/.363/.503
So, in short, yes, that position has been improved.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
The DH position yielded 38 HRs
and an OPS of .802 in 162 games last year.
Maybe the OBP improves but we’ll lose slugging %.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Who cares?
We’ve got enough power – josh, nelson, young, kinsler, davis. Blalock and Jones sucked ass, and Lowell is a huge improvement. I’d still rather have Vladimir.
If you platoon Murphy and Lowell at DH...
…you’re getting .301/.363/.503 vs. LHP (Lowell in ’09) and .279/.357/.476 vs. RHP (Murphy in ’09). Assuming a 50/50 split in RHP and LHP, that would come out to .290/.360/.489 for the DH position.
.849 > .802
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
WINNER!
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Actually
the Rangers only had 153 games from their DHs last year.
Forgot about interleague play.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Again with the SLG to OBP conversions..
800 OPS of 400 OBP and 400 SLG is worth more runs per game than an 800 OPS of 300 OBP and 500 SLG.
If we get an 802 OPS from our DHs with a 50 point increase in OBP and a 50 point decrease in SLG, it is a win for the club.
Good article over at LOL comparing Harden to Lackey
Puts Harden into perspective.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/12/9/1193648/rich-harden-appears-to-have-signed
As mentioned, Harden made the exact same amount of starts (51) the past two seasons as Lackey did. Harden did throw noticeably fewer innings in that span, 290 to Lackey’s 340, mainly as a result of a difference in approach. Lackey averaged 3.64 pitches per plate appearance the last two seasons, Harden was at 4.11. Strikeouts generally take more pitches to complete so it should come as little surprise to see the difference there. The important thing is note is that Lackey threw a total of 228 more pitches than Harden over 2008-9, the equivalent of one extra start per season.
Unlike Lackey, Harden’s swinging strike rate is less trendy, partially due to the lack of data points in 2006-7. However, Harden had established a 11% rate in 2003-5 and was at 15% both of the prior two seasons. He would probably demolish Texas’ hitters. Harden is also going to walk a good number of fellows. Interestingly enough, Harden’s tendency to throw strikes is no worse than Lackey’s, both hitting the zone about half the time. Harden is much more often to throw that first pitch for a ball though, but again, that’s part of the deal with high strikeout pitchers.
Harden is also more of a fly ball pitcher than Lackey. Again, Harden is about the strikeouts so pitching up in the zone is part of that most of the time. All of this combines to give us the overall picture of Harden to Lackey, way more strikeouts, a few more walks and a few more fly balls. While Lackey’s tRA* floated around 4.4, Harden’s is around 4.1 though that came in a less offensive league. The difference between the two in terms of those figures is negligible. CHONE is slightly more bearish, also projecting Harden to be equal to Lackey in performance level, but Lackey’s clear inferior in durability.
Even accounting for Harden’s higher catastrophic injury risk, he grades out as being worth $12 million or so per year. To compare them directly, Harden’s fair value over a four year deal would likely be around 4/44 compared to Lackey’s 4/52. That Harden’s health knocked that 4/44 down to 1/7.5 with an $11.5 million option is what made him a great target. An opportunity potentially (we don’t know what went on, there may have been nothing reasonable Jack Z could have done) missed here and that the Rangers signed him makes it all the more painful.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Crap - all that should be block quoted (not trying to take credit for their work)
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
and a word from John Lackey regarding this post ...
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
by BigGuns on Dec 10, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I just don't know why he's yelling it...
maybe the joke was made a long ways away, and he just wanted to give it credit
he's saying
Feig! which is german for chicken.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
You stole that!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I'd love to see this and Easy Eddie's anti-Leyland .gif
side by side
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
double that
for keeping him off Seattle, and out of our division, especially since he won’t be mowing down our hitters
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
@nyp_joelsherman Lowell to Rangers on hold for now http://bit.ly/64Faes
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
right
Someone reported that they have agreed to a deal but are exploring other options. This may be something that sits on JD’s and Theo’s desk for a few weeks while.
|Space for Rent|
I'd be fine if this turned into a bigger deal
We send MaxRam and maybe a lesser pitching prospect and they send us Lowell, cash, and some other prospect of value.
Last time Lowell and his contract were traded, HanRam was in the deal. I won’t hold my breath on something that good, but I wouldn’t mind anything from a Melo/Beltre-type throw-in up to bullpen help that’s relatively close to the bigs.
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no
don’t give Beltre back to them, and keep Melo
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I meant we a receive a throw-in like we did when we received Beltre and Melo
I didn’t mean trade those guys, I meant get another guy like them.
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but I like the idea of adding onto the deal
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
He certainly took my ditch Millwood, sign Harden idea.
Now sign Vlad, dammit.
I know Vlad has an injury history.
NJ never plays, though. That OBP would fit well in our lineup. I’d prefer both to Lowell
He played 133 games last year.
He had a rough pair of years though with the Broken leg, and then the ligament injury. I can’t help but think he’s gonna hold up better than Vlad over the next year or two.
@TBrownYahoo Potential trade of Lowell to Texas is exactly where it was at 3 this morning: Jon Daniels says he has not spoken to Theo Epstein today.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Hmm
I guess Twitter is handy in this situation, but I still think it’s weird.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
This is twitter's ceiling.
For news, I mean, that’s where the stories are breaking. It’s not about Joe Schmoe just ate a muffin.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 10, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Not only is it the ceiling, but it's kind of the whole point.
If you are using Twitter to be updated whether so and so is going to order the hash over the omelette, you are misuing Twitter and frankly, why are you on it at all? I can’t think of a more wasteful use of online time.
by FuturePants on Dec 10, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not even close
Every major corporation is using it for direct marketing as well.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
No, but I do sit next to the marketing people at work and they talk about it alot.
If you use it correctly, it’s extremely valuable.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Someone said JD was traveling this morning, so that's no surprise
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Man...was looking at Cot's for another post.
Did anyone else realize that this team currently has 3 players it will pay more than $2 million dollars next year? Michael Young-$16M, Rich Harden-$6.5M+incentives, Ian Kinsler-$4.2 M. The Rangers will be paying Frank Catalonotto ($2M) more than all but 3 players on their team next year.
If kharma does exist, Hicks better start hugging some disease-infested lepers pretty quick….
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
That's nothing new.
We’ve given nearly 1/3 of our payroll the last three years to Padilla, Lofton, Gagne, Cat, Broussard and JJennings.
That’s about $ 70 million, give or take.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Flagged as troll.
Comment: completely missing the damn ass point.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 10, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Contracts
All but Padilla and Cat were one-year deals. Not exactly hamstringing the long-term future of This Thing.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
RC - Padilla & Cat were both signed prior to the 2007 season...
Are we currently hamstrung?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
How many different ways have you complained about Padilla?
Weren’t you opposed to getting rid of him too?
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Well its impossible to replace Padilla's innings from last year
but he was a complete waste of money…
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Padilla & Cat
His contract’s done, so I don’t see what it has to do with this off-season.
Cat might still be owed some money, but it’s not a massive amount.
The Rangers’ financial issues have a hell of a lot more to do with the owner than with a handful of contracts JD handed out 2-3 years ago. It’s not like he would have that $70 million to spend this winter.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
lol
Don’t forget the Chan Ho contract… if only we had put that $55M into an account somewhere and saved it for this year
If only
we had signed Frank Thomas instead of that Texas Tech failure, Donald Harris.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
haha. old donald harris.
played with him in waco one summer. dude wouldn’t make a throw from center b/c he ’didn’t want to throw his arm out’. huh?
Well,
Donald Harris was fast, and had all those tools. Gotta get those toolsheds.
All Frank Thomas could do was hit.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Why ya gotta bust TTU balls?
Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?
What were the biggest problems on the team last year?
OBP and lack of production from 1B.
Mike Lowell has had an OBP of .337-.339 (essentially league average) for 3 of the last four years and is now in his upper 30’s and probably won’t be counted on to play more than 15 games at 1B (if any).
How are we better and one step closer to the playoffs?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Our team OBP was .320 last year and the
So by adding a guy with league-average OBP, we improved our expected team OBP, thereby making the team better and moving it one step closer to the playoffs.
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And the primary DH-types, Jones and Blalock OBP'd, .323 and .277, respectively
So in terms of OBP from DHs, Lowell is a clear upgrade from last year.
Next question?
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It usually (but not always) takes an OBP of .335-.34040 or so
to make it to post-season.
Are we there with the acquisition of Lowell?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
typo fail
.335-.340
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
We're closer than we were with Blalock at DH
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this and more.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
And do you also believe that Michael Young is
worth the $ 16 million per that JD signed him to before the 2007 season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Hell no.
There was a time when I was right there with you Josey, but i’m not going to allow my first impression of JD to taint what he’s done recently. I think he’s a top five GM in baseball now.
was worth more than that last year....
contract isn’t great, but it’s hard to consider it a COMPLETE bust
$16 million?
If it were true, I’d say he wasn’t worth it, but MY was paid $6.2 million in 2008 and $13.1 million last year. That’s probably because his contract balloons. But I think you are asking the wrong question. The question should be, was he worth keeping.
He’s made $29 million over his career so far, and BP credits him with 22.6 wins over that time period. (I do have issues with that number now, as BP treats wins to be based on fielding runs above average, not above replacement.) at a valuation of approximately $2.2 million per win, that means that he’s generated just under $50 million for the club. So, we’re still in the black for him at the moment. A few $16 million 3.2 warp seasons and that will change in a hurry, but that’s also the price of a veteran over a younger player.
x
According Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com, the Mariners are exploring a possible trade for Adrian Gonzalez of the Padres.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Eff you, GMZ
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Question is, what do they have to give?
Bavasi gave up their best trade chips in the Bedard deal and Balantien/Clement have both lost their luster.
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Aumont/Morrow/Triunfal/Saunders...
Plus I’m sure they have plenty more low-level dudes that we’re not familiar with.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Especially stinkbeetles!!!" -God.
by thedirkatron on Dec 10, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
with what?
They don’t have the farm to do that.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 10, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Morrow, Aumont, Sanders and Triunfel?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 10, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Aumont is a bullpen guy because of his hip
and Triunfel won’t stay at SS and people don’t know if he’ll have enough pop for 3B.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 10, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
They tried a the deadline from what I remember.
They’d have to really sell the farm, and even then I don’t know they’d have enough.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Especially stinkbeetles!!!" -God.
by thedirkatron on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Only guy that would be of interest
would be Ackley and i dont believe they can trade him yet
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said above, they have some interesting pieces, it's just a matter of whether or not they want to trade, like, all of them.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Especially stinkbeetles!!!" -God.
by thedirkatron on Dec 10, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Well, yeah
they could put together a deal, I just don’t see Zoorentsick (sp?) dealing their entire farm system.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Zdurencik
But you’re pretty close on the pronunciation…
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
BAD Radio
discussing the Ranger trades right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I love him
But has there ever been a more delusional guy? He honestly thinks he’s a sports nerd, but he’s just not. At least not with baseball.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
On the nose.
At least not with baseball.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
MILLWOOD IS A HORSE!
And you just can’t replace Marlon Byrd.
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So im over trolling at Halos Heaven
and i decide to vote in their poll on “supposed” aybar, bourjos, and saunders for halladay deal. I vote, “Yes, Do it!!” and couldnt believe that 46% percent of voters think that is TOO Much?!?! Are you kidding me?!?! That is a really low offer for Halladay. Are Angels fans really THAT dumb?
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
Look at who's in charge of their blog
That should tell you how intelligent the average Angel fan is.
If the commish doesn't veto the Millwood and Harden moves, it's clearly because MLB wants to see a team in a football market succeed
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Bob talking about Millwood in the last 7 years
averaging 180 IPs + and Harden averaging only 107 IPs per in that time.
Says Ranger fans “charged the mound on him” for mentioning this.
Says also he believes with this move the Rangers are “running to stay still.” Ding, ding, ding Sturminator.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If you
Or Bob think 180 innings is the measuring stick of good pitching, then I couldn’t be bothered to give either of you the time of day.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
180 innings by itself is not the measuring stick of good pitching but having
the ability to take the mound 30+ times a year without getting killed is a, not the, measuring stick of good pitching.
There is great value in having a pitcher do that because it saves your bully.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Feldman and Hunter, and maybe Nippert...
…can all do that. What those guys and Millwood can’t do is what Harden can do: be an ace.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Millwood has largely sucked since coming here.
I don’t care how many innings he’s had.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
He's just a big name.
I’m thrilled he’s gone.
I'm not ready to say that I'm thrilled he's gone.
I don’t have anything bad to say about Millwood, aside from him being largely unspectacular.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Same here, he was probably just a LAIE but I generally liked the guy
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You just make your point even better to all of us
by agreeing with Bob Sturm when it comes to baseball!!! Thanks!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
107 innings from Harden are likely more valuable to us than 180 from Millwood
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No they most likely aren't
First of all let me say Rich Harden is a much better pitcher than Kevin Millwood. But for our team hes not necessarily better. Heres my reasoning behind my position.
In the last 4 years Harden has averaged 16 starts a year. Over the last two hes averaged 25. So my reasonable expectation for next year is 20 starts. if he gives us 25 thats great. if he somehow manages 30 thats amazing. But 20 is my realistic expectation. Thats gonna mean about 110-120 innings. High quality innings but only 110-120 of them. Over the last 4 years Hardens teams have won about 2/3 of his games. So in his 20 starts I expect us to go 13-7.
Over the last 4 years Millwood has averaged over 30 starts a year. So I expect 30 from him next year. I also expect 180-190 innings. Over the last 4 years the Rangers have been 62-63 in his starts. So if Millwood was here I would expect us to go 15-15 in his starts.
Now the problem is those extra 10 starts that Harden won’t give you that Millwood will. While all the advanced stats may say other guys are just as good as Millwood the results haven’t been the same. And if you are throwing out there Moscoso, Hurley, Harrison, and Feliz to take over those 10 starts realistically I think you can only expect a 4-6 record during that time and 50 innings.
So Harden + group of guys we should expect to give us a 17-13 record and 160-170 innings. Millwood we should expect a 15-15 record and 180-190 innings. 2 extra wins.
BUT
You also added 20-30 innings on to the bullpen which is probably not going to be as good as it was last year based on some drop in performance to be expected but also more workload from having so many young starters. There goes those 2 extra wins and most likely more.
So while yes I am excited about watching Harden pitch and can’t wait for opening day I don’t think we are better over the course of a full season with Harden than with Millwood.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Let me quote Michael Cave's excellent post from above
Well lets say he gets 135 IP next yr…
The weighted avg of his ERA+ over the last 4 yrs (the time Millwood has been with Texas) is 155. During the same period Millwood has had a weighted avg ERA+ of 102.
Lets say that Millwood hits his 188 IP avg over the last 4 yrs. We would be lacking 53 innings to fulfill what Millwood’s departure left us with. Now you do realize that the pitcher(s) that filled in for that final 53 innings would have to perform at an ERA+ of -30 to bring the weighted avg to 102, right?
What happens if that pitcher is Harrison and he repeats his ERA+ of 76 over 53 innings? What is the end result?
Harden/injury fill in pitcher – 132 ERA+
Millwood – 102 ERA+
I would take the Harden option ten times out of ten
How in the world can you project 13-7 v. 15-15 and the ensuing additions to the bullpen, etc. based on what the two’s teams have done in their starts over the last four years? You do realize that offense and bullpens played a role in whether or not Harden or Millwood’s team won those starts, right? And that neither Harden nor Millwood would play with the same offense or bullpen of the previous four years in 2010 for the Rangers?
Unless they’re using the same bullpen and offense as they did in the last four years, and said bullpen and offense perform EXACTLY the same as they did during that period, “team’s record when pitching” is not an indicator of ANYTHING in the future.
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Im going by whether or not I expect the team to be better
As bad as Millwood was according to yall the team was still 500. And as good as Harden was his teams won 2/3 of their games. if he could pitch 30 games then that would be great. Its those other 10 games that bring it back to even or just slightly better. but like I said by overusing your bullpen you wipe away those extra wins. At best this is a neutral move team w/l wise and we just have a better #1 pitcher. Thats fine but it doesn’t get us any closer to making the playoffs IMO.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
What kind of guarantee is it that the Rangers won't win more than 2/3 of Harden's games in '10?
He pitched for a run-poor A’s team that scored 772 in 2005, 771 in 2006, and 741 in 2007. The Cubs offense in 2009 scored a whopping 709 runs. I left out 2008 because of the split with the trade and the fact that I don’t have time to calculate those numbers.
What was a historically bad Rangers offense in 2009 still scored 784 runs.
Even if the offense remains static relative to last year’s relatively poor showing, he’s still likely to have more assistance from his bats than he’s had the rest of his career.
Thus, I fail to see how his teams performing in his starts 2005-2009 are at all an indicator for the Rangers in 2010.
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comparison fail
You used the high end of expectation for Millwood in 2010. How about comapring it to the same of Rich Harden.
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How is that the high end?
Over the last 4 years Millwoods averaged 188.2 IP. 180-190 is a pretty realistic prediction.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
crap
Lets try that again…
215, 172.2, 168.2, 198.2. A definite downward trend before last year. No Nolan Ryan in Balt. No committment to going deepe rinto games. Balt may even try to limit his innings so he doesn’t wear down. And he will be 35 next year. So 180-190 IP for him is not close to realistic IMHO. Probably 160-180.
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Not realistic would be 200-220
Conservative is 160-180
I have no problem saying 180-190 is realistic
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
And Sturm says (where I strongly agree)
that in a perfect world I keep Millwood and add Harden “as your difference maker.”
Strongly agreed again…that’s the move that makes the team better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
That's what AJM said
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 10, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Would have been
nice….Thanks Tom Hicks!!
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
no, dumping an average millwood
and signing lackey and harden. THAT’S the move that makes the team better. Too bad we’re broke. Funny how you don’t take that into consideration. Given our budget, we just gave ourselves a shot next year.
polarizing figure you are.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
But we don't live in a vacuum.
The Rangers traded a less-valuable player for a more-valuable player. Don’t see how that doesn’t make the team better.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
didn't know that was an option...
but nice try.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Dec 10, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
No shit dude...
but we couldn’t do so bc of our owners financial situation. What are you even arguing Josey?
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"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
So that means, as Sturm said
we’re “running to stand still” or “looking busy but not really doing anything.”
It’s moves like these (and giving up a potentially good young hitter for an old in decline like Lowell) that make me think JD is calling the shots by himself this off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
If we were "running to stand still"
Wouldn’t we have just kept everything the same?
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
The chairs have moved around but presently constructed
I don’t see a team that should be expected to win more than 87 games next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
How does that answer my question?
It really doesn’t matter what you see. The whole issue you’re talking about is Bob saying the Rangers are “running to stand still.” If that was the aim, why move Millwood at all?
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
So you think the moves thus far project the Rangers
to win how many games in 2010?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Again
You’re totally missing the point.
The point isn’t how many games they’re going to win. The question is whether they’re actually trying to win games or they’re running to stand still (whatever the fuck that means).
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
It means that
60% of the time it works every time
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
"Running to stand still" = "looking busy"
JD is “trying” to make the team better (better defined solely as winning more games than they did in 2009) but I don’t think he did.
I haven’t seen anything yet that has me believing This Thing should be expected to win 92+ games next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Okay so what is your prediction for Harden next yr?
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I hope we get 135 IPs and 15 starts where he
goes 6 IPs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Got any idea on where you think he will sit
in regards to ERA+?
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Hard to say
some of his peripherals were up last year and he’s moving over to the men’s league with half of his starts in a notorious hitter’s park.
Most of my concerns with Harden have to do with health and how much the bully and lower-tier starters are going to need to cover for him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
The Ballpark
Has played pretty neutral the last several years. It’s not the hitter paradise the national media makes it out to be the last few years.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Well lets say he gets 135 IP next yr...
The weighted avg of his ERA+ over the last 4 yrs (the time Millwood has been with Texas) is 155. During the same period Millwood has had a weighted avg ERA+ of 102.
Lets say that Millwood hits his 188 IP avg over the last 4 yrs. We would be lacking 53 innings to fulfill what Millwood’s departure left us with. Now you do realize that the pitcher(s) that filled in for that final 53 innings would have to perform at an ERA+ of -30 to bring the weighted avg to 102, right?
What happens if that pitcher is Harrison and he repeats his ERA+ of 76 over 53 innings? What is the end result?
Harden/injury fill in pitcher – 132 ERA+
Millwood – 102 ERA+
I would take the Harden option ten times out of ten
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Crickets....
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Please explain how Mike Lowell, with a LA OBP doesnt make the team better??
Last years DH produced BELOW AVG OBP, something to the tune of .310. If Lowell is at .335, which is around LA, how does that NOT make this team better?
Ok so maybe it doesnt make the team AS GOOD as if we could have gotten Abreau, but IT MAKES THE TEAM BETTER YOU FOOL!!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Don't expect him to respond, he's ignored this comment about 10 times
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You've gained 25 points in obp from one position but lost
17 points in slugging percentage.
Is that a quantum leap forward that will propel us to 901 runs scored and 95 wins?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Hank's SLG did a lot of good when he made outs
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The bottom line is
The Rangers are a better team today than they were yesterday.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Dec 10, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't even like MaxRam
Just shut up. You are making yourself look stupid.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Max Ramirez
I was withholding judgment on Max Ramirez until I saw him contribute in The Show.
If he was a good hitter for the Rangers or if JD had got something good for him in a trade, I would have credited JD with making a good trade in the Lofton deal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 10, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
I am withholding judgement on EVERY prospect until they produce in “The Show”. I will be the best judge of talent ever!!!
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
No you wouldn't
You hate JD it wouldn’t matter if JD traded for God himself you find a way to bitch about it.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
That's 100% freaking incorrect
I guess I’ve missed all those contributions Max
made to the big league club after he was acquired.
His biggest accomplishment to date is helping give the minor league system depth but he’s 25 years old now and hasn’t done a thing in The Show.
When he contributes meaningfully in The Show, we can give JD credit for a good trade but to this point it was a waste of $ 6 million by a team on a small market payroll.
You aren’t “withholding judgment.” You were valuing him as worthless until he “contributed meaningfully in The Show.”
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My standard take on minor leaguers is that they don't get on my
radar until they survive and dominate AA ball.
I wasn’t counting on Max to contribute in The Show next year but hadn’t dismissed the possibility of it ever happening.
I feel the same way about Smoak.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Max dominated AA
just hadn’t done anything beyond that.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Meaning he was on my radar
and he was hurt last year so you probably need to throw out the results until he becomes healthy.
If Smoak goes to AAA and is hurt for most of 2010, do you take those results seriously or wait until he’s healthy?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
And
when people would argue with me that JD made a fantastic trade of Lofton with the Indians, without fail they’d gush about what a great prospect Max was.
Now that JD has traded him, it’s Max the Spare Who Couldn’t Hit AAA Pitching.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Um
It’s not as if what you’re doing is any better. In fact, it’s simply the inverse. You hated Max then and like him now. Both sides are convenient.
by brettgardner on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you say I hated Max?
He dominated AA so he was on the radar but I wasn’t going to give JD credit for a good haul until Max did something in The Show for the Rangers.
That’s like saying I hate Smoak. Right now Smoak is on the radar and looks pretty good but I’m not going to give Nolan credit for signing a good draft pick until Smoak does something in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
"Nolan Ryan, Scouting Director"
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So Ryan signed Smoak....yea right.......
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Anyone got a good solution for cleaning my keyboard and monitor as I spit my drink all over everything with the last Josey comment
Give Nolan credit for what. Smoak fell in the Rangers lap. It had absolutely nothing to do with Ryan.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Well, Nolan is buddies with Drayton, maybe he convinced Drayton that Castro was better
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I'm not saying he was a spare
But you were dismissing him just a couple of days ago.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
WTxAg
Just post this after every Josey post no matter the topic.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Considering it
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I think most agree that would have been the ideal situation
but due to hicks lack of funds and the state of the teams sale it just isn’t a reality
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
In a perfect world you keep both, trade for Pujols as your big cleanup hitter and sign John Lackey as your #3
But comparing the Rangers moves to what should be done in a “perfect world” is an exercise in dumbassery.
Considering your self-proclaimed expertise in finding front office dumbassery, one would think you would be capable of identifying it in yourself, too.
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That would solve our catching problems
DAMMIT, WHY HAVEN’T WE MADE A TRADE FOR MAUER? FIRE JD!
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Josey
Here is a question. My scenario has been the following.
Assume Millwood’s option for 2010 wasn’t vesting, but rather for $12 million with a $3 million buyout.
What do you do?
Go Rice Owls!
That's part of the equation
and the 2010 version of Kevin Millwood is not likely going to be worth $ 12 million.
Is a starting pitcher with an incredibly poor record of health who gives you 135 IP and a 36 year old in decline Mike Lowell worth not only $ 12 million but also the potential career of Max Ramirez?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You act as if
building a baseball team is not without risk.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
What do you expect?
Josey lives in a risk free world.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 10, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
He also lives in a logic-free world
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Adding Harden to a team with Millwood and adding Harden to a team with capable young starters and no Millwood
is the same thing.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
In a perfect world
We trade for Roy Halladay, Keep Millwood, Sign Harden, Trade for Felix Hernandez and Sign Pedro Martinez as our number 5 starter, then run him through a time machine to get the 2000 version of Pedro back.
Then, to bolster our pen, we sign the 2002 version of Trevor Hoffman.
But we live in the real world, where we can’t spend the extra money to keep both. and where we don’t need to stunt the development of Feldman, Hunter, Holland, etc….
The Rangers allowed 740 runs last year, at a rate of 4.57 runs per game. The last time they had better than that, Nolan Ryan was in their rotation (1990). They did this despite Harrison and Holland each had ERA’s over 6. Lets say that Harrison doesn’t improve (despite the fact that he was hurt last year and showed flashes of brilliance). There’s very little chance that Holland won’t improve to at least the mid 4’s in ERA. With Harden producing an ERA in the mid-3’s for his customary 20-25 starts, and some regression from Feldman and Hunter (their ERA’s rise into the mid 4’s from the low 4’s. Plus no Benson, no Padzilla, no Everybody hits me Eddie, no Grilli, and no Jason (long ball) Jennings. Its possible our ERA improves from last year. just maybe
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"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
ooo
Sign him.
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Fire JD if they sign him, Beane obviously knows something /Josey
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@Evan_P_Grant #Rangers officials met with Darren Oliver’s reps for a second time Thursday before leaving Indy. Rangers, #RedSox, #Angels still in. #mlb
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Anyone got an idea of what he's asking?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Nope
No numbers out anywhere that I can find.
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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Ace?
Everyone seems to throw the word ace around a lot about Harden. I understand he strikes a lot of guys out. But his career high is 11 wins in a season. Don’t get me wrong, I think this improves the team.
Terrence Newman made a Pro Bowl.
As a result, he is the greatest cornerback of all time.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
yes, Ace
I’m not like these others who are just going to ignore you or call you names. I will instead point to his career 3.39 ERA, and 9.4 K/9 inning.
That’s the guy you want taking the ball in Game one of the World Series, that’s the guy you want on the mound to start Game seven of the World Series.
got it?
wins aren't a good judgement for a pitcher?
isn’t that the point? Aren’t we trying to win games?
Oh boy
prepared to be lambasted. I think now would be a good time to just go ahead and change your sn.
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
gotta be a bit
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 10, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to try to be nice.
Wins are perhaps the worst judge of a pitcher. Consider these two situations:
Pitcher A pitches 9 innings, gives up one hit (a solo home run) and loses 1-0. He gets a Loss.
Pitcher B pitches 5 innings, gives up 25 hits and 11 runs, but leaves with a 12-11 lead. He gets a Win.
Who pitched better?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Of course A
And thank you for being nice. I just think that Pitcher A would win that game 9/10 and B would lose that game 9/10.
Just thought it was a little much to anoint harden as the best pitcher we have had in a decade.
PS I frequent this site daily, should have known better than to jump into a pool full of sharks. Ill try again in a couple of months. I do appreciate all of knowledge you guys bring to these threads. Its very amusing to read them. The funny thing is, the only name on this site i know besides AJM is that poor Josey guy.
Poor Josey guy?
Fuck Josey
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Dec 10, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Problem is, Pitcher A and Pitcher B can't control the team they play for
Kevin Millwood once finished 9-11 while leading the league in ERA.
An ace puts his team in position to win more often than not, but he cannot control whether they actually do ultimately get the win.
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keep posting
you have to take your lumps around here before getting into a comfort zone
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
and that should've been for slapapitch
not you, ghtd36
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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
All H rotation
I think we should have a rotation of pitchers who’s names start with H:
Harden, Holland, Hunter, Harrison and Hfeliz. or Hfeldman. or Hurley.
:D
we might as well call him Helliz
since they pronounce/spell his name incorrectly all the time anyways…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but then
the mtm would find a way to call him Herez
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by Michael Cave on Dec 10, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Or
Since we have Feldman, Feliz, Harden, Holland, Hunter, and Harrison, it could be the F&H rotation (pronounced effin’-H). Because that’s what opposing hitters are going to be muttering when they go back to the dugout- “fucking hell.”
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
by RCCook on Dec 10, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think Happy is fine.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Can we get rid of Hicks and Josey?
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Lowell update
Efforts to send Mike Lowell to Texas in exchange for catcher Max Ramirez are inching along, with those involved in the transaction saying at noon that the deal is roughly 75 percent done, though there are many hurdles still to overcome.
http://soxblog.projo.com/2009/12/lowell-trade-to.html
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I don't give a fuck about Haren
I just honestly want to know who is going to replace all those high-leverage innings Benson pitched!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
wait, we got Haren too?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 10, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
This is going to be the best rotation ever!
After seeing the trade Byrnes just made, we might could acquire him for Boscan and Hurley. We could even throw in Doug Hogan to be nice.
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