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Friday morning Rangers things

The end of a busy week for the Rangers...

Anthony Andro has a story on the risk/reward issues with Rich Harden, and with some quotes from Jon Daniels about the fact that Harden, at age 28, is now the veteran of the rotation.

Jeff Wilson writes that the Rangers continue to work on a deal for Mike Lowell.  If the reports are true, and Boston is going to pick up $9 million of Lowell's $12 million salary, I'm wondering about the wisdom of this potential move.  It seems like you could get Fernando Tatis for $3 million or less, and not have to give up Max Ramirez in the process, and get someone who would seem likely to be as productive as Lowell.

Gil Lebreton likes the moves, including the potential Lowell move, praising Lowell's experience and leadership, which the Rangers apparently have put a pretty high value on.

Kevin Sherrington also thinks the front office has been doing a good job this offseason.

And BBTiA talks about the importance of upgrading from a pitch-to-contact guy to a strikeout pitcher as your #1 starter.

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I can see the Lowell experience thing

I don’t think anyone else on the roster has any World Series rings, much less playoff experience so I can see the value.

That doesn’t diminish the fact that they’ll need another RH bat/DH type just in case.

by texasraider on Dec 11, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, while I don't necessarily buy into the grit, goodface, etc. stuff that gets propagated by writers

I do agree that a young team needs a steadying veteran presence on the roster for down the stretch and in the playoffs to show the young guys how to respond to adversity, pressure, etc.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

We have that player and he's one of the best

at that particular skill.

See The Face.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

The Face, as great as he is, has never been on a playoff team

He can provide part of that steadying presence and mentorship, but he can’t tell the kids “what it’s like” to be in the playoffs.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

The Face didn't trade AG, CYoung, Danks

for multiple bags of shit nor spend 1/3 of a small market payroll in 3 years on Padilla, Gagne, Lofton, Cat, Broussard and JJennings.

Don’t give me that crap about Young not being able to tell the kids “what it’s like” to be in the playoffs.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

What in the hell do those moves have to do with having a player who has been to the playoffs?

I know you like to recycle arguments and rants, but now you’re recycling them when they have no relevance to the topic.

Nice work.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The Face

Also didn’t predict 73 wins for This Thing last year.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

At least the players are realistic

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Where the hell did that come from

Non sequitur

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Surely

logic hasn’t actually ended an argument by Josey?

"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron

by sunlegend54 on Dec 11, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

how many flags does it take to get rid of a troll

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 11, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Six Flags! More Flags, More Fun!

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Young is the Rangers' John McCain of the POW camp

Telling the other guys how to survive the years of non-playoff Ranger baseball hell.

He does a great job at that, but he doesn’t have playoff experience or rings. Lowell will supplement Young’s leadership.

by 3hacks on Dec 11, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

so your saying that John McCain was like a phoney or something?

I dont care if McCain played scrabble all day, he was still a POW in Vietnam, while you were not so maybe you should use a different analogy and show our nations heros respect…

by mikeyoungfuturehof on Dec 11, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

he's being perfectly respectful

there was no diss of McCain. He’s simply saying that the Rangers past decade is the equivalent of being in a Vietnam POW camp. And Young is similar to McCain in that he lived through it and can tell others what it was like on the inside.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

ok then im an idiot 3hacks and im sorry

im a veteran of 2 tours and i dont like when people criticize veterans…touchy subject sorry…

go rangers!

by mikeyoungfuturehof on Dec 11, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

No worries.

Thanks JBI for clarifying for me. I posted then ran off to a meeting. You said it much more eloquently than me.

by 3hacks on Dec 11, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

How in the hell is someone "one of the best of that particular skill"

when he hasn’t even had a chance to expeience that skill???

You are an absolute moron of epic proportions

by texasraider on Dec 11, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you.

I do not get the MaxRam trade thing. We want to acquire a guy that can DH for what, 400 PAs a season? And who has never played one inning at 1B? And to back up a third baseman who has been on the DL once in his career as a Ranger? I don’t get it.

I’m obviously way higher on Max than the organization is. This is baffling to me.

by FuturePants on Dec 11, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

Duly noted that Lebreton

praises the “leadership and experience” of Lowell and that Lebreton has emerged as the favored local columnist of the area.

I don’t want Lowell or Tatis and I wanna see Max healthy at AAA before I trade him.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

I like Max

I was as high on him as anyone awhile back, but I don’t see him ever being part of a ML team as a valuable contributor. Then again, he may Nellie Cruz us and figure it all out in a couple years. You never know, but that’s one of the reasons you got these guys on the farm, to help you build a “win now” team through trades. It’s a gamble I don’t mind taking on Lowell. I think he can still hit, and I may be one of the few here who still believe in that intangable “veteran” presence being a positive thing. This guy has been to war, several times, and can guide the kids through the trenches if we get that far.
Flame away for my Wash-like beliefs…

by Flynnyrd on Dec 11, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

I also agree in the intangible of "veteran" presence..

….however, I think Ronald W. sometimes takes it as the gospel all too often.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree totally

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I've never been really high on Max, and nothing has caught my eye about him, really.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a star catcher, so I don’t think we’d be losing much at all, and I think Lowell is sightly better than Tatis, so I think giving up Max is worth it. I don’t think the deal will make that big of impact on the season whether it happens, or doesn’t happen, so eh I don’t really care that much.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

I'm torn on the Lowell trade

part of me thinks that Max can be something great, but part of me, also knows that Max is running out of options and would not likely of helped us this year anyway. Lowell can be of service to this team. Sure, there are other possibilities that could work as well, but it seems like MLB has our hands tied. I don’t control what happens.

All I know is there is 4 days left until a winning bid is announced, and basically, I have a feeling Hicks is spending this 4 days trying to get more involved with whichever ownership group is going to win. I don’t understand how MLB would allow this.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

I bet

Hicks has gone through sevral boxes of Tic Tacs from all the dicks he’s been sucking lately.

by Flynnyrd on Dec 11, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

If someone is letting Tom Hicks suck their dick

I don’t think they should be owning a Major League team.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

that smacks of homophobia. You don’t like homosexuals?

by Flynnyrd on Dec 11, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Being gay has nothing to do with it.

It’s the fact that it would be TOM HICKS sucking their dick. Have you seen his face? And his mouth? He looks like a king of the hill character who got punched in the face by a donkey after a late night drunken rage down at Bobs (we have indoor plumbing now) bar.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

This is true.

And it’s not gay as long as you’re not the one doing the sucking, right?

At least that’s what I was told in prison.

by Flynnyrd on Dec 11, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

You're trying way too hard here...

take a step back and relax for a little while.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

One thing

I have never been accused of is trying.

by Flynnyrd on Dec 11, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

No to Lowell...

I’d prefer any form of younger player development. That’s my vote.

Still very happy that Millwood contract is finished (less the $3 million) and we grabbed 2 pitchers to boot. Very glad we got a draft pick for Pudge. And Harden is worth a try.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions  

x
I’d prefer any form of younger player development. That’s my vote.

I prefer the option that is going to help us win.

Player development takes a back seat to winning, at this point. This is an 87 win team that should be pushing for a playoff berth in 2010.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed Morris indeed.

We’ve had player development on the main stage for too long now. It’s time for all the rehearsals to pay off.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Development at this point should be solely to KEEP a winning team on the field. Sustenence, if you will.

by Flynnyrd on Dec 11, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly...we've been saying "next year" for too long...

Also, I like Adam’s earlier point about Tatis…given the option, Tatis would be a better choice given they would essentially cost the same amount of money…if you go that route, it could remove one need for the team and you could then concentrate on getting a power bat which, in my opinion, is the biggest necessity for this team.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 11, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Tatis isn't a power bat?

He did hit two grand slams in the same inning folks. That’s rock star material.
/sarc

Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?

by AceJC on Dec 11, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

19 HR in 613 AB over the last 2 seasons...

that is not much power…

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 11, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

see

I’m starting to think that way, and nobody clutches onto their minor league heart-throbs like me. Would help if the new ownership arrived and established their new-sheriff-in-town meme.

by shroomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

And to be clear...

…I’m not saying to trade Martin Perez and Engel Beltre for Adam Dunn.

I am saying, though, that I’m more interested in playing whoever is going to help the team win now moreso than doing the “let the young guys get some experience” thing.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Development because...

1. Does Smoak/Chris Davis start in AAA with a mediocre Spring(s)? Or do we use a Lowell-type to play first? I’d stick with the young guys.

2. Is Josh Hamilton done? Or just an off year? If he hits .250 are we allowing that all year?

3. Is Borbon our CF-er? If so, he needs time.

4. The pitching staff lost some aging vets. They need time.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Even if the young guys suck like what happened last year

Listen, I hope Davis turns it around, but if you have a chance to win, and a young guy is struggling, I would opt for the veteran and let the young guy “develop” more in AAA.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Infield hits aside

Davis hit much better after his return from AAA. Smoak didn’t exactly light up AAA, but you have to start the season with Davis at first and Smoak in AAA, but be prepared to swap them if Davis struggles and Smoak starts lighting things up.

by iblum on Dec 11, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

At some point you have to

"let the young guys get some experience". This is still a young team, paticularly the pitching staff. The young guys do give this team the best chance to win but they also need to continue their development.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 11, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for saying that.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

"Pushing for a playoff berth"

generally means you’re on the minimum cusp of 94 wins.

You think we’re there now by the virtue of the moves made this off-season?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

If you aren’t at, minimum, 94 wins, you’re not pushing for a playoff berth?

Quit being silly.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

What win total do you think "pushing for a playoff berth" means

when your team is in the AL West / or you’re competing for a Wild Card berth.

Duly note also that the Rangers helped out a team they will be competing with in the WC next year by taking on Mike Lowell AND giving them Max.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes because Max will help them Next year

It’s going to be the year of the Max the fans of Fenway will shout his name, and carry him off the field as Sweet Caroline blasts on the speakers after a walk off world series grand slam.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

So now

JD’s magic beans are going to amount to something? Hey im not all for this trade but the contradictions that JW is throwing around give me a headache.

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay

so you are on record saying that Ramirez will be more valuable in only 2010 than Lowell will be?

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what Max is

but if he has a productive major league career this is going to be a really bad trade no matter what Mike Lowell does this year.

We are not only doing a competitor a solid but we are trading the potential career of Max Ramirez for one year of a broken down and in decline Mike Lowell

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey everyone, it's Josey's new meme!

Let’s add to Blalock War, let the healing begin, Jonny Donuts, front office dumbassery, magic beans, and others the new one:

“If Max has a productive major league career this is going to be a really bad trade no matter what Mike Lowell does this year.”

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Josey if freakin ridiculous

he ignores how he has absolutely switched sides on this point and just argues against JD moves for the sake of JD. This is not going to end.

Where’s that ban button? I seem to have lost it, would anybody else, say someone who runs this blog, know where it is?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Adam hasn't the stones to ban Josey.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

x
Adam hasn’t the stones to ban Josey.

Excuse me?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

You're no Brian Loncar

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Strong Arm!

That guy bought three bricks at the new addition to Tech Law School. One says “Brian Loncar, class of whatever”, one says, “Brian Loncar & Associates”, and then another says, “Brian Loncar – The Strong Arm.”

No shame.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

He gives a fair amount of money a year, sponsors both negotiations contests and one of the national mock trial teams

But then I see his commercials and wonder whether that money is worth him being associated with the school.

Probably is.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Graduated this past summer

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Where'd the Texas Hammer graduate from?

That guy is awesome.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Jim Adler

One of my greatest wishes is to meet him someday. He fascinates the hell out of me.

In fact, I think if I found a lamp with a genie in it, my three wishes would be for a billion dollars, perfect health, and to meet Jim Adler.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too, I hope that in real life he talks exactly like he does in his commercials.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

That's why I want to meet him

To find that out.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I HAMMER!!!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 11, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He went

to UT law which is a top 10-15 program.

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

No it's not.

It hovers right around 20 most years.

by FuturePants on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Careful

Don’t go making fun of UT Law. Newberg went there, and we all know what happened to Finnerty when he crossed Jamey…

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If you cross The Newberg you might as well hire your own gravedigger that same day

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Whether it is or not

They really don’t hover around 20 according to US News.

Since ’99: 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 18, 15, 15.

My whole point was that it was pretty unnecessary to correct him.

by brettgardner on Dec 11, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Really? Excellent.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

Loncar’s office is just across Pearl Street from me.

by FuturePants on Dec 11, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you'll ban Josey.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I ban very, very few people

Not because I don’t have the “stones,” but because I prefer to do things in a hands-off manner.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I approve this message

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I suppose there's also entertainment value in watching

the people who call for banning the Outlaw flock to his posts as if they were fife music in Hamelin…?

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I know you don't, I used "stones" jokingly, wasn't implying you were some pussy bc you wouldn't ban him.

Josey amuses me, I was answering NothinG not in agreeing with him, just that you wouldn’t do so.

Plus Josey and I are boys, we talk about things other than baseball on this site.

DYK that Josey was a paperboy once upon a time? Well, I did.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you Ryin...I find the Outlaw amusing...

but then again I’m about as laissez faire as they come. But anyhow is there any word on how the paperboy job ended at the DMN? (I know there must be a good joke or two in there somewhere).

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He tossed rags at the Herald holmes, get it right!!!

And I wish I hadn’t brought up the Paperboy gig bc I don’t want anyone to start making fun of Josey like he does JD and the Lil’ Boy Donuts thing……….I’d hate for that to happen……..

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

yes I'm sure you'd lose sleep over it :)

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that philosophy.

However, when you threaten to delete Josey’s rantings about a particular subject, then he goes on to bring up that subject over and over and over and over post threat, and you still won’t delete even one single post, I have to agree with the sentiment that you maybe don’t have the stones to carry out your threats.

by FuturePants on Dec 11, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Got to agree with that one

If you say it, yo got to do it. Leadership 101

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 11, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

So.....bitches

what is your specific complaint?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

well

The fact that you are a douchebag is one.

The fact that you are inconsistent is two.

The fact that you hijack threads to talk soley about your favorite topics.

The fact that you refuse to answer direct questions when asked.

And did I mention that you were a douchebag?

by iblum on Dec 11, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Upon further review...

I don’t believe The Bitches would have selected you as the lead witness.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't interpret it as not having the stones

I interpret it as Adam really not giving a shit.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 11, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as Josey gets on my nerves

I don’t see why he needs to get banned. You can’t just go around punching everyone who is an idiot, and disagrees with majority.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont think he hijacks them

he just has a genuinely different opinion that no one agrees with.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

He sits back and observes the general consensus

then takes a position that is 180 degrees away.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Josey is the Andy Kaufman of LSB.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

If you ever compare Andy Kaufman to Josey

I’ll replace your beard with the pubes of a homeless man.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

that is a disgusting and very effective threat.

You have my word.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

oh my that's a bit drastic Orange

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Have

you been hanging out with dirkatron?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 11, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

his opinion changes whenever it suits him, much like the MaxRam position.

He is a troll

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

x

whenever it suits him will garner him e-attention

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Not true.

I thought JD made an excellent pick up of Darren O’day.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Nolan approved every one of JDs trades this week

JD does nothing without Nolan’s sign off. If any of these don’t work out 100% in the Rangers’ favor, it is squarely on Nolan’s shoulders.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong.

If these trades don’t work out 100%, it’s on JD. If they do, on the other hand, it’s on Nolan.

by brettgardner on Dec 11, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

But JD is Nolan's lap dog (according to JW)

He cannot do anything without approval.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

As I said yesterday

You don’t really have a choice but the give him credit for the O’Day acquisition. To argue otherwise would be the most indefensible argument in the history of the internets.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That's never stopped him before

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Specifically

how was this thread hijacked by “the same old garbage”?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe the same old garbage would be where you brough up this:

The Face didn’t trade AG, CYoung, Danks

for multiple bags of shit nor spend 1/3 of a small market payroll in 3 years on Padilla, Gagne, Lofton, Cat, Broussard and JJennings.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Also, there are people on here who are far bigger assholes than Josey who’re still valuable posters. I might be one of them.

And if you’re gonna ban Josey, you kinda have to start banning a whole lot of other rabble-rousers too.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 11, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I see no difference

between JW and TexasDawg, and TD got banned under about 27 handles. I haven’t heard from him in forever, I wonder if it can work twice.

by bhudson on Dec 11, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Josey is schtick and everyone knows it. They just can’t resist replying to it.

TexasDawg was something quite different however. He got ticked off with the community in general and after awhile, he lived to simply disrupt the board in whatever level he could, accusing random people of racism and hatred, all while perpetuating the same in regards to Chris Davis and anything else he didn’t like. There seemed to be some kind of a personal vendetta he was pushing against the entire board, and the havoc he caused for a couple months there went way beyond the bickering people do with Josey.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending Josey, in any way shape or form here, but he’s really just a tired old bit people need to learn to ignore. TexasDawg was like Josey’s bit with the self-righteousness-meter cranked to an astronomical level, and combined with a certain kind of reverse-xenophobic fanaticism.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 11, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Josey would find something to bitch about if I served him the head of Mr. Hicks on a silver platter.

by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Dec 11, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

it's worth a try!!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Implication

“Duly note also that the Rangers helped out a team they will be competing with in the WC next year by taking on Mike Lowell AND giving them Max.”

This implies that you believe that Ramirez will out produce Lowell next yr. I get the Ramirez potential argument but i would wager he has a worse 2010 than Lowell does.

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I think his argument is:

1) Taking Lowell is helping Bosox…. so either
        a) BoSox need to shed $3M in payroll badly, or
        b) Lowell (as a part time bat) is going to cost the BoSox multiple wins

and

2) JD made a killer trade when he acquired the bad-ass that is Max “I’m destined to destroy the Rangers with my brilliant career” Ramirez

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Hold up

So, purely hypothetical here, if Max goes to Boston and struggles all year in AAA and doesn’t even earn a callup this year and then goes on to have a decent ML career as a DH the trade is a loss no matter what?

Even if Lowell comes here and hits 280/340/465 and helps us get to the playoffs and possibly the WS?

Wow

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 11, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

if Max goes to Boston and struggles all year in AAA and doesn’t even earn a callup this year

Then Max would be dropped off the Red Sox’s 40 man and would end up in another organization. Just like he would if he was here and stalled in AAA. I think there was a 25% chance of him not surviving on this team regardless. You just can’t wait on guys who have no position forever (see Botts, Jason).

Really, the worry is more about the ~25% chance that MaxRam regains his past form, which had a lot of potential. But even then, his spot is the one where the Rangers have a lot of offensive depth. Of Davis/Smoak/Moreland/MaxRam, Max was the riskiest, worst fielding, and shortest time remaining of all of them.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
Duly note also that the Rangers helped out a team they will be competing with in the WC next year by taking on Mike Lowell AND giving them Max.

Oh Josey…..

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, we were at 87 last year and we've taken a step forward by getting a DH with league-average OBP

Instead of the crapola that was Blalock/Jones for over 100 games last season.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course

We’ve also lost Marlon Byrd, although one would hope replacing him with Borbon would at least be a break-even.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Losing Byrd and adding Borbon while banking that Hamilton and Davis couldn't possibly be as bad as they were

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

YES!!!!!!!!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m not an impatient man. 2010 will develop the young pitchers, Smoak, young catchers, do you really think we’re a playoff team now? We still have a lot of young players to consider and evaluate.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm very impatient when it comes to the Texas Rangers and not making the playoffs.

Call me crazy, but 10 years is a little too long for me.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Right,...

I agree. But, come on, two wrongs don’t make a right. We need to remain patient.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we should be in the playoffs next year.

If it’s one of those situations where we’re a game out, then fine. But if it’s another year of not even really being close at the end, then I think there might need to be a little worrying going on. The time is this season, and beyond. If we can’t make it next year, and beyond then I’m not sure when we’ll be able too.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Good teams don't make the playoffs all the time.

Plus, the AL West seems to be improving.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 11, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be concerned

unless none of our young pitchers showed promise

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

oh come on i.Orange just ten years?

Try doing it for 30…but in the meantime could I get your straitjacket size?

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

haha it does look like him huh

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

He's singing " Ruby dont take your love to town"

He is to the part about his legs being bent and paralyzed. Looks like he is trying to stand up

by BEW on Dec 11, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

isn't that the fake Kenny from MadTv?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

it could very well be Ryin..

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

the fake Kenny Rogers

One of my favorite bits on MadTV.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Kenny Rogers Jackass was pretty good....in a real stupid kinda way...whatever it was I laughed pretty hard at that one.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Not better than

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Fire Marshal Bill

Man, I loved In Living Color. Fire Marshall Bill, Homey the Clown, Men on Film, and the Fly Dancers.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Homey don't play that

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

A must see weekly, for sure

Wonder if they hold up.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he meant 10 years since the last playoff appearance.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure, but...

If the improvement is only incremental over what you have, is it worth giving up someone like MaxRam? Everyone agrees the Rangers need to get better at DH, at the very least against left handed pitchers. I’d much rather you package MaxRam in a trade for either a larger improvement over the DH spot or for a pitcher and then just sign someone who gives you 85% of what Lowell gives you.

In other words, it seems like a bad allocation of resources.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I did some looking

The only other real choice out there that could have been better would have been Konerko. Mostly that’s because of health, and I know that the White Sox haven’t offered him. Plus, I don’t know that he’d accept a position of DH and backup 1b. at least with Lowell, you have a dh, backup third baseman and backup firstbaseman. (which protects us from Chris Davis being FOTF’s backup at third.

by iblum on Dec 11, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Some folks are just in favor of neverending development. You wait to develop, and eventually you lose guys like Kinsler and Hamilton.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Talent

Our minor league system has never been this good?

What’s another year to sort it out?

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

who is being blocked by this move?

how is development being stopped? It isn’t. Sure, you need young players to develop in the Bigs, but who other than MaxRam does this keep from developing?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Displacement

Mike Lowell will play somewhere. My position is this. We are not “one Mike Lowell away” from winning the West. If we get Lowell for cash and peanuts, I can live with it. But, I’d prefer seeing Smoak get AB’s at 1B. At DH, I’d like to see Michael Young. At 3B, why not consider Chris Davis?

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Smoak?

He can wait. Playing him too much early this year would likely cost the team. Of course the team isn’t “one Mike Lowell” away from winning, but that isn’t the only move they made, is it?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 11, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Smoak is not ready yet

and you need someone to fill the role until he is

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

x
At 3B, why not consider Chris Davis?

Because he’s terrible defensively at 3B.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

yehhh remember the elimination game?!?

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that like the waiting game?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 11, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

not exactly...

NOONE was in the mood for hungry hungry hippos after THAT game, not even Adam.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that like the crying game?

With chunky gender-benders?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

3B

Any other ideas? I just grabbed that one.

At 3B we have Young and now Lowell for $3 million, with the loss of a back-up catcher (which we may need possibly…)

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The trade

Are you saying Boston does not care which prospect we give them really? Or are you saying that JD is pushing Ramirez because he doesn’t help us anyway? Or, perhaps that we’ll need a better catcher than Ramirez, so who cares about this part of the move?

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he's saying that Texas didn't lose a back-up catcher,

because he doesn’t expect Ramirez will actually be able to play catcher at the major-league level, even as a back-up.

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

That's fine.

But why would Boston want this guy? Or do they really not care and just wish for a $3 million savings?

P S – I rely on you uber-detail-oriented fans to help me help myself.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Boston's banking that he can mash at the MLB level.

And moving Lowell means they can sign Beltre.

Low risk, high return for the Red Sox ~ and perhaps a high cost for teams that aren’t Boston or New York. But since Boston is Boston: $9 million just isn’t that big a deal.

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I probably should have typed, "low risk, high ceiling..."

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Texas didn't lose a backup catcher

They gained a son!

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 11, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

So says Sam Horn?

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Max had great promise as a high OBP/high SLG player a year ago

However, he had injuries to both wrist last season and the year was wasted. BOS could be buying low, or getting severely damaged goods.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

How is Max doing in the summer leagues?

Last update I saw, it didn’t look like he was doing too well.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

in 182 ABs

has a .236 avg with 12 HRs 56 SOs and an OBP .356.

not that great at all. power numbers are overrated in the winter leagues

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh...

:)

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He's becoming very TTO

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

That 120-point OBP/AVG split suggests not?

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

No.

He seems to either strike out, walk or hit a HR == TTO. He could be the next Adam Dunn.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 11, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, sure ~ never mind.

Not sure what I was thinking there…

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

12/9 update from Jason Cole
First baseman Max Ramirez, who may or may not be traded to the Red Sox within the next couple of days, was 1-for-4 with a solo home run, his 12th of the winter.

No idea of his overall numbers.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd prefer seeing Smoak get a full year in AAA

than to be rushed to the big leagues in the event Chris Davis can’t hit his way out of a paper bag.

And it could be argued that this team is a “good Mike Lowell and Rich Harden season” away from winning the West.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

one "good Mike Lowell and Rich Harden season" away...

We do have to replace decent Millwood (and Padilla) outings too. Was Feldman’s 2009 for real? But considering all the arms we have right now, I like the odds.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Feldman (and to some degree Hunter)

were both pitch to contact guys. Guys who were agressive, threw strikes, kept the ball down, and let peole hit grounders that Elvis and Kinsler could gobble up. They make good complements to Harden and Holland, who are both power arms who can blow hitters away up in the zone, and Feliz, who can blow hitters away down in the zone (or up in the zone, or anywhere else). McCarthy, however, I just don’t see as a great fit. He’s got that monster hammer, but to use it he has to keep his fastball up in the zone, which means lots of fly balls. Perhaps an outfield of Hamilton, Borbon and Cruz can turn those fly balls into outs, but at the same time, I’m concerned that our ballpark turns many of those fly balls into homers.

by iblum on Dec 11, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

bleh

Young at DH and Davis at 3b doesn’t help the team. Smoak may be ready this year, but if he is, then we deal Lowell (or bench him) and move on. Ramirez, coming of an injury, is a poor bet to produce even at the AAA level, and at bats for him there take away from at bats for Smoak. At AA they take away at bats from Moreland. Basically, if he can’t catch, he’s pretty useless to us. If we weren’t going to contend, we could simply say, “Max, you will be our right handed DH” On the other hand, if we had an extra $10 million sitting around, we could have signed Vlad to do the same thing. Or Dye (bleh).

by iblum on Dec 11, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll see your bleh and raise you an ugh
Smoak may be ready this year, but if he is, then we deal Lowell (or bench him) and move on.

Except, we all know Wash is gonna give him 600 ABs no matter how he hits. Cuz he has a track record. And he’s also not very tradeable.

At AA they take away at bats from Moreland.

What an epic calamity that would be.

Basically, if he can’t catch, he’s pretty useless to us.

Yes, clearly there is no need on this team for a guy w/ a .398 career OBP in the minors. None.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 11, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't worry about Lowell blocking anyone

I’d worry a lot more if you had to give someone else a 2 year deal to be 1b/DH. Because then you’ll have Smoak and possibly Moreland to worry about.

That is my one and only concern about signing Nick Johnson – I think he’ll get 2 years at least, and we only need someone for 2010, assuming Davis is back

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

it'll be interesting to see how the offseason shakes out

there is a possibility the Johnson could go for 1 year. We are halfway through December and all the guys we were interested in are still available. Hopefully ownership can get a handle by Feb and maybe there are some guys that will be still be available by then. I would bet there are, but we don’t know what new ownership will do once they take the reins.

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by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

9 of the top 50 FAs have signed

2 others accepted arb…what a slow signing period this year huh?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

and alot more FAs are about to join the market

tomorrow as all the non-tenders happen

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Hellz yeah, this could get ugly quick

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It is always a balance

How much does the move you make increase your odds now? How much does it decrease your odds in the future? If you traded Perez for Dunn, as you suggest, 2010 is a lot brighter, but 2011-2015 get a lot dimmer.

My view on Lowell is that he increases the team’s chance of winning in 2010. The cost, by dealing MaxRam, is a slightly less chance of winning in 2011-2014. But MaxRam isn’t Perez – that cost is very likely significantly lower than Lowell’s added 2010 benefit.

I have always liked MaxRam – I think last offseason I voted him #5 in the system or something. But for some reason I’m not at all upset about trading him here. I still think that there is a decent chance that MaxRam would have had to be dropped from the 40 by the end of this year if his development didn’t start up again. The clock was ticking for the guy and the roster is already clogged with disappointing catching projects. “Selling low” can mean selling before a rebound, or selling when you can still get someone to pay anything. Sadly, for MaxRam, the odds probably are that this is as good as the Rangers would ever get for him.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I like your commentary.

Signing Mike Lowell is not a terrible thing.

But, we do need to remain clear about where we’re at in this race. I’d prefer seeing the Rangers become more stable long term by using the Twins-like development approach. JD has done that so far. This Lowell idea is not going to change that. But, giving up on some players too quickly is a bad thing too.

by 3Bagger on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Max Ramirez is one player.

And of course, there’s always that tricky part of figuring out how quickly is “too quickly” for a given player.

If Ramirez had flamed out in Oklahoma in 2010, there’d be people here complaining about how the Rangers love their own prospects too much, and how Daniels should have sold “higher” on Ramirez when he had the chance.

And to be clear: I hope Ramirez doesn’t flame out in Pawtucket (or wherever Boston puts him); I sincerely wish him the best, much as it’d hurt to see him mash with another MLB team. I’m just not at all convinced he will.

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by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Max could turn out to be another Hafner

or he could turn out to be another Botts. With one more year, the team could probably get a much better evaluation of him, but the Rangers can’t exactly wait that one year.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Dec 11, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

What do yall expect from Chris Ray this yr?

I really think he can be a valuable piece to the bullpen.

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

about what Brendan Donnelly

did for the Rangers last year

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 11, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Donnelly was really good for the Marlins I believe

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by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Id take an

ERA+ of 239 any day

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Jason Grilli replacement.

Hopefully Wash won’t fall in love and overuse him like he did Grilli.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 11, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope Boston

is really gonna try to get Beltre. That could possibly mean something better for us in this trade. Maybe more money or a lesser prospect perhaps going to them.

I have never been sold on MaxRam.

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by NYTXFAN on Dec 11, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

I just want to go on record right here ... again

The escort service I work for has never EVER sent me to entertain Tiger Woods.

by shroomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Oh Oh Oh I've got one.

What does Roy of Siegfried and roy have in common with Tiger’s wife?

They both have been fucked up by Tigers……

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

X

Tiger has changed his name, he is now Cheetah Woods!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Chris Ray

I want this to be his entry music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDtqbS7DK2s

All 17 minutes of it.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

There remains (to me)

The very real possibility that this deals consumation is dragging because JD is shopping around, and/or trying to get the Sox to sweeten the pot. IOW, I do not think this taking so long is an accident.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

THIS

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Maybe he is simply talking to Tatis and Glaus seeing if either of them would accept 3 mil or less for this yr.

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Either that or he is waiting until the non-tenders happen

Maybe they have their eye on a Garko or Cust perhaps and want to wait to see if they get non-tendered and then possibly pick them up. If not then they have this deal in place

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Man

I wish we had payroll flexibility, we could probably land Halladay without giving up too much.

And if Tony Reagins actually offered Saunders, Aybar and the other guy he should be bitch slapped by someone.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Dec 11, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

These is a good chance that Harden with be on with Norm at 11:30

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

What station?

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

The Ticket

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

There*

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Go get those jerseys!
@espnrangersblog Harden wearing No. 40: ARLINGTON — Rangers general manager Jon Daniels and club president Nolan Ryan just pose.. http://bit.ly/7LXn8r

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

YES!!!
@Evan_P_Grant Rangers have reached agreement with josh lewin for another year and option for 2011.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

good news

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Dec 11, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

great news!

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank the Good Lord!!!!!

Everyone get ready for ridiculously awesome Harden puns every 5th day.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

No chance.

Lewin is waaayyyy to PG to go after a Harden pun. Although I could see Lewin accidentally letting one slip and there’s 10 minutes of dead air because Grieve is laughing his ass off and Lewin is mortified into silence.

Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?

by AceJC on Dec 11, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Josh may not touch Harden but he's actually not..

that PG, he did make a comment earlier in the year that the Rangers were having “connectile dysfunction” issues during a hitting cold spell.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I missed that

I’m sure Tag’s sailor-mouth can’t help but cause him to slip every know and then

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that connectile dysfunction was great

And Lewin is not so PG that he wouldn’t laugh immaturely at a non-PG joke or entendre. The hot fresh nuts incident comes to mind.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 12, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

What type of option?

Is there some type of performance clause? :)

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 11, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

It automatically kicks in once he hits 90 “BALLGAME!”’S

by bdk03a on Dec 11, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope the option

is that he can opt not to send it to Knox

by Panorama on Dec 11, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm cool with that

I’ve come to like the Lewin-Grieve team after initially turning up my nose. I usually don’t have the sound on, though.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 11, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Glad to have Josh back, good announcer and seems like a good person with his heart in the right place.

Just for the heck of it…fuck Dave Barnett.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

WOOO LEWIN

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Mute button

Will come in handy, again. Hope it doesn’t wear out.

by mgb5 on Dec 11, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Grant also said...

….that Lewin can miss only 3 games in the final month of the season. I assume they will be the Chargers regular season games?

by FuturePants on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

So he

went ahead and accepted the Jaramillo “let’s see how this year goes” offer?

by Brett Perryman on Dec 11, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

@Evan_P_Grant Lewin can now miss three games in final month of season.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

@Evan_P_Grant John Blake on Lewin deal: “We accomplished what we wanted; we want our guy to be here more in the final month of the season.”

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

@Evan_P_Grant Rich Harden incentives: $500k for every 10 IP from 155 to 195.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

Nice

That is a $2.5 million I’d love to spend.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Any news on what he gets

if he tops 195 IP?

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Well played sir

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Well played indeed

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Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

A nobel prize?

he ain’t gettin’ that far.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

The Nobel in Medicine

should go to whatever doctor can keep him healthy that long.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 11, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Well played sir

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Well played indeed

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

18+ mil next year

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

$2M max?

So potentially $9.5M if he pitches 195 innings. He would be worth it.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 11, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but what are Lewin's performance incentives?

$500K for every game he makes it through without an inappropriate innuendo or an immature laugh when TAG/Knoxy makes an innuendo?

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not baseball without that.

Lewin is just plain awesome. No sarcasm behind that, it’s just a fact.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree 100%, the entertainment they provide is an integral part of my baseball experience

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Long time lurker first time poster

Question that I haven’t seen anyone address. Say Harden is a beast next year—180 IP 2.5 ERA 200Ks—what do you think it would take to tear up the option and sign him for three or four more years? Does anyone think the Rangers will be willing/able to do this?

by JayinBoston on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Signing him to 4 years would be dumb.

It’s not like his injury history will have magically vanished. At best I can see the Rangers trying to kick in some incentives to get him to stay. Realistically, if he pitches like he can for 180+ innings, he’s going to go out looking for a 3 year deal in the $15 million per range. He probably won’t get the years; teams will just treat him like he’s 36.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 11, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

that signing him long term would be foolish. If he’s a beast exercise the option, and watch him leave as you offer arb and get the draft pick.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 11, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Wuddup Jay

I don’t think the Rangers will offer a pitcher with Harden’s history to anything over 2 yrs guaranteed….they simply don’t have the payroll flexibility to do so. God that makes me mad typing that.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the welcome

4 years would probably be too long, but I would probably be willing to give him three knowing that you might lose one of those years to injury but banking on two more seasons of similar quality. Hopefully with a new owner next year we will have the flexibility to give him 3 for $15M per year.

by JayinBoston on Dec 11, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

hopefully

the new owner will be in place by then. I could see him doing a 3yr/$45m deal for Hardin.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 11, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

welcome -- and represent in Boston

I don’t think the Rangers would go that many years with a guy who is very injury prone, but it would be tempting if he is able to put up those numbers. Overall, not smart though

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of Lewin, he is on BaDD radio at 1:30 today

And on with Elf Sunday morning…given that schedule, I was thinking he had a new contract worked out :)

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Harden on the Ticket in 5 mins -- 11:30 was confirmed

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I've got it on

Listening to football talk for a few minutes is making me question whether it’s worth it, I guess it is.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Let me know if Norm asks how he plans to Harden up the pitching staff

Oh wait, only Lewin would do that.

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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

i'll try to call in and say

“I have a harden right now”

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

That would be hilarious

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

And banned in about a nano-second...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

e REC shun!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

lmao

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

my God that would be the best thing ever.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

and then track down Knoxie and stand in the background

while he interviews a 100 year old grandmother…

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 11, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

just kinda lean in and rest your head on his shoulder...

someone do it, we should raise some bail money for the willing participant.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 11, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN sucks

and if you could combine the two, that might be something entertaining on the crap channel

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

HARDEN!

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

what's he saying Orange?

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

they are talking about his injury history

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

he said the cubs shut him down early last year

to get a look at young guys, but he could have made 29 or so starts last year

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Talking about how healthy he is

About how the questions are always going to be there, and it will take a few seasons of 200+ innings to get people to believe in him again.

Said it was a mutual agreement to shut him down early last season, and he feels like he can do a lot more next year.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

a spluckle :)

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

i got a chuckle from the spluckle...and a harden too!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

You save that picture of him?

Background for your computer?

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

:)

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

any time you have two pitches

one the “ghost pitch”
the other “the spluckle” you are either really FREAKIN’ good, or you are in the circus

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Listen youself

http://player.cumulusstreaming.com/SLPLayer.aspx?KTCK-AM

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

YW :)

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

and he's not afraid of our "hitters ballpark"

that’s about it. Norm is always a great interviewer…..

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

A "spluckle" ball, lol.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

Hey Adam ~ or, whatever, anyone:

when you say Tatis “would seem likely to be as productive as Lowell,” what do you mean by “likely”?

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).

by Snark on Dec 11, 2009 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Ticket announced the upcoming Lewin interview

as “Josh Lewin – San Diego Chargers play-by-play announcer”

No mention of Rangers. We’ll see what they do when they interview him.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

Super Chargers PBP guy interviewed at 12:30

Rangers PBP guy interviewed at 12:50

;)

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

If Kevin Millwood's 2009 overall numbers look pretty good because he had a lucky first half

Then Fernando Tatis’ overall numbers look good because he had a lucky 2nd half. .389 BABIP in the 2nd half.

by octoberty on Dec 11, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

@mlbCoz WhiteSox 1yr deal with JJ Putz

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

@Putz contract is 1yr for 3 million

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 11, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldnt have minded

the Rangers signing him for that much

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Dec 11, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Rangers were in on him

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Uhhh, overpay? Huge risk?
According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, J.J. Putz’s contract with the White Sox carries $3.25 million in performance-based incentives.
Putz will be given a base salary of $3 million in 2010. He can earn $250,000 with the right amount of appearances and another $3 million based on games finished.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a fan of FA relievers in any way, shape, form or fashion, unless they're NRIs

Excepting the closers who have been truly great for a 5+ year span (and those are few and far between), your average NRI or young prospect has about as much chance as being an effective reliever as a FA acquisition and won’t cost nearly as much.

Remember when Baltimore assembled that high priced bullpen of veterans a few years ago? They were terrible.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Or the Rangers in '02?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

And we saw how that worked out for us

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Helluva a lot better than flushing 3 mil down the toilet on that thief Darren Oliver

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 11, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

NO SHIT!!!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

per Jamey's email

Don’t know if this was mentioned in the 10 or so threads and 10,000 posts lately…

Though the 27-year-old debuted in the big leagues in 2005, I believe he still has two options, and so unlike a pitcher like Luis Mendoza or Clay Rapada or the Rule 5 pick Snyder, Ray isn’t a "use it or [potentially] lose it" case.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

That would be interesting

I assumed he had used all his options up.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 11, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That is very nice info

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

likely means he'll start in AAA

unless he truly is back with his dominant stuff

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 11, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Maddux was on XM MLB Home Plate with Kevin Kennedy and Casey Stern right after lunch

This is just a rambling, stream of consciousness type recap of what I heard
I was driving during the lunch hour and just missed hearing Harden right before lunch, but I caught their breakdown of Harden. The hosts, one of which was Jim Duquette, talked about how Harden, when healthy, is one of the top 15-20 pitchers in the game. Walk right is a little higher than they’d prefer, but the strikeouts and low hit rate are the sign of true swing-and-miss stuff, which is the ultimate think you look for in a pitcher. Some clubs take chances on guys like that because they have an advanced, cutting edge medical staff and the Rangers are one of those clubs. Smart pitchers with injury histories are wise to consider the club’s medical and training staff when evaluating free agent offers, in addition to salary, quality of the team, ballpark, weather, etc.

Maddux was on right after lunch and I missed the first couple of minutes (I think that’s when they talked Harden with him) but I caught these points. Gave Millwood lots of credit for his hard work going into last season and wanting to “lead from the front” on the pitching staff. Big fan of Milly as a person and teammate.

Maddux was initially nervous about Nolan’s mantra for the club’s pitchers to throw BP just because it was so unfamiliar to Maddux, but the pitchers absolutely loved it. They liked the live action, the hitters liked hitting from a live MLB pitcher, and both sides benefited because the pitchers would advise the pitchers if they noticed some sort of “tell” in their delivery of a specific pitch. Millwood was always volunteering to throw BP, Maddux joked that he had to tell him to leave him alone and let someone else do it a couple of times.

LOVES Feliz’s stuff (so does Kennedy). Described his stuff as “holy cow”. Loved how he could shut down a rally and then provide clean innings of his own late in a game. Talked about how Feliz extending that over 7-8 innings would just be amazing and would make the rest of the pitching staff so much better too, when they’re not having to send the bullpen in early.

MOST IMPORTANTLY – they plan to stretch Feliz and Wilson out during spring training. They love what Feliz brings to the table in relief but also what he can bring to the table in the rotation, and they’ll give him a chance to start. At the end of the spring they’ll look and decide what makes the best pitching staff as a whole, not what makes the best starters and then the best relievers, and decide how to use Feliz then. But they’ll be prepared to use him either way.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the recap

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 11, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I could have heard Maddux talk about Harden, he's a really enjoyable interview

He’s not one to just give a simple answer to the question that was asked. He seems to understand the purpose of interviews like that, for the pitching coach to give an expanded look into each topic of discussion.

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

yeh I love guys who give the whole picture in inverviews, and Maddux sounds like that type of guy..

I don’t remember Mark Connor being that interesting to listen to from what I recall.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

He’s too damn short. If we put him on the rack, we can get him up to 6’4" or 6’5"

by iblum on Dec 11, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Rangers Team Plane

I’m not sure if this is worth mentioning, but it was cool to see at least… I landed at the San Jose airport a couple of hours ago, and what appeared to be the Rangers Team Plane was there (Texas Rangers on the side and a big team logo on the tail). For all I know, this could be where they park it. But I thought I’d mention it anyway.

Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship

by Wemedge on Dec 11, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

It's also the Dallas Stars team plane

on the other side is the Stars logo. They’re in San Jose tonight for a game against the Sharks.

by Hull Fan on Dec 11, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I would prefer to think that JD, Thad, Maddux, and Warsh are in a clandestine meeting with Brian Sabean

Lincecum for Feldman, Hunter, and Murphy!

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll smoke to that!!!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Heck, if that happens the Rangers ought to sell Tim Lincecum Rangers-brand marijuana on the streets and give him the profits

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales

by WestTxAg06 on Dec 11, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha REC reserve me 10 packs!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 11, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

of course when we actually need hitting, we get pitching

and when we need pitching we get hitting? i don’t get it.

also, where is lowell going to play? is he gonna be a back up or is he playing first?

by big papa on Dec 11, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Cyber high five!

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 11, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting, or business as usual?
Sources have informed Alex Speier of WEEI.com that the Red Sox plan to tender a contract to arbitration-eligible first baseman Casey Kotchman.
Kotchman hit .268/.339/.382 between Atlanta and Boston in 2009. Bringing him back could mean that the club plans to move Kevin Youkilis to third base and will opt not to pursue Adrian Beltre. Or perhaps the Red Sox feel it is within their means to pay a backup first baseman nearly $5 million.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Payback for the punching girl gif douchebag from last night:

^^Gawd what a zero, look at that high IQ just oozing out^^

Ferro was fined $500 and given a 6 months suspended jail sentence — which is essentially hardcore probation.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 11, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions  

Heh.

Yeah, I definitely overpaid. I was probably going to drop Morrow soon, but yeah,
I paid too much.

by brettgardner on Dec 11, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you could have caught me with what you had

I feel good about my chances now. I could be wrong though.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 11, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

I said at the beginning that I thought you’d win.

I’m honestly just expecting two things soon from Gerald: 1. Rebounding regression and 2. Injury.

by brettgardner on Dec 11, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been rebounding like a mofo

It’s a calculated risk, Noah is awesome.

Question, would you have done Arenas/Wallace for Amare?

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

But I would have done Arenas/Wallace for Amare/Curry.

by brettgardner on Dec 11, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Cool

I’m having trouble deciding whether it’s worth trading him.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 11, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I have some on my dvr.

Some of the good ones, thanks for reminding me.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I would, and discuss it with myself

But I fear that’d be a banable offense

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, if you new how to convert it to your computer and upload it to a videosharing site somewheres on the web, we could all watch it together

That’s probably complicated shit though.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 11, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always wondered how to do that

I’ll googling around tonight.

Good ol’ Friday nights googling on how to get stuff from my tv onto my computer.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Just do it like the boot leg online feeds

and set up your webcam to capture it while you play it on your DVR. I’m sure there is a recording program out there to record from your webcam. (Plus as an extra bonus you will probably stumble upon some porn as I’m sure that’s what most webcam recording programs are used for.)

Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?

by AceJC on Dec 11, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I found an article about it

I have to buy something, boo. Maybe for Christmas.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Advice:

Should I put $150 on Chargers +3?

a) I think it’s going to happen, sadly
b) I’m hedging my emotions

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions  

Don't gamble

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 11, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you should not bet at all

and instead spend the 150 on something you need.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

or 300 on something I need............

I don’t gamble to make money, I do it for enjoyment. I buy in a small amount at the beginning of the football season and see how far it can go.

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet you're lying, and you're addicted to gambling

I’m here for you if you need me. Just don’t ask for any money.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

where else can you get a 1000% return on your investment?

its irresistable

speaking of gambling addictions, Two for the Money is a good movie

by BuckyB on Dec 11, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember seeing that at blockbuster when it came out

And was always close to renting it, but Matthew McConaughey staring at me mind me bashful.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 11, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

No it isn’t.

Are you serious?

Not only was it not a good movie, it was chock-full-o-shite about gambling. It wasn’t even a mediocre movie that had some good gambling insights.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 11, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Good Advise

Don’t remember where I read this… maybe Bill Simmons years ago: “Never bet against your favorite team. Because the best you can do is break even, and that is no way to live.”

"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009

by Oddibee on Dec 11, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

If I bet the Cowboys or the Horns, I only bet totals

Takes the emotion out of the decision, but not the thrill out of the wagered-on game.

If that makes sense.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 11, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

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