LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #10
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 9:25 AM CST
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PrintAfter garnering 54% of 151 votes, Mitch Moreland has won the right to be called the LSB Community #9 prospect!
The List So Far:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
#2. LHP Martin Perez
#3. 1B Justin Smoak#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers
#5. RHP Michael Main
#6. LHP Robbie Ross
#7. RHP Wilmer Font
#8. RHP Danny Gutierrez
#9. RF/DH/1B Mitch Moreland
Time to move on to the vote for #10.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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Couldn't decide
so I went with my 2010 fav-to-breakout candidate – Telis.
The arguing could be fun to watch on this one.
No argument from me, Shroom
Switch-hitting catchers who can hit have huge value. And there seems to be little doubt that Telis can hit a baseball – 299/374/380 as a 17 yo in the DSL last year; 330/340/498 as an 18 yo in his stateside debut this season. In his two professional seasons, Telis has struck out just 35 times in 478 plate appearances!
Slugging .498 (12 doubles, 5 triples, 4 home runs) as an 18 year old is extremely impressive. Angels’ #1 prospect (according to Baseball Prospectus) was second in slugging among 18 year olds in the States at .486.
Other than the fact that he has yet to compete in a full season league, the key questions about Telis appear to be his plate approach and his defense. He walked just 4 times in 212 plate appearances this year which is obviously unacceptable. But he walked in almost 10% of his plate appearances in 2008 (25 walks in 266 plate appearances), so it appears that he knows how to work a pitcher. As for his defense, he apparently has the athleticism and arm to catch after being signed as a shortstop and then being converted to catcher.
I appreciate the Profar hype, but I don’t see how anyone can justify him at #10. If he does start in Hickory in 2010, he’ll be lucky to match the .574 OPS that Leury Garcia posted. Due to his long and impressive track record, MaxRam is the only other player that I can see voting for here.
by spurdynasty on Dec 13, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
narrowed it down to Velazquez and Strop
went with Velazquez.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Telis, Poveda, Moscoso, Max, Profar
you could make a case for any of those guys at this spot as well.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Yep, also
How can people vote for Beavan over Poveda and Moscoso? Don’t get it.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
another head scratcher
people voting for Hurley? If I handed another team the list of prospects above and said take your pick, if they chose Hurley I would LOL.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Why?
I don’t know much about him, outside of what BBTiA wrote up. Is is prospecty goodness enough to overcome the proximity or track record of the other guys in this class?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Went with MaxRam here...
I’m hoping Lowell’s thumb has fallen off.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's really what I'm leaning towards...
…but since I know less about some of the younger guys in this tier, I wanted to read the opinions first this time.
I like the ceiling (despite the reduced chance he’ll get there after his past year) of MaxRam enough to rank him above the more known quantities of Poveda and Moscoso, but I find it hard to compare him to players like Velazquez, Telis, Weiland, etc.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 13, 2009 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
second, actually
Sam Deduno struck out 123 to Kiker’s 120, but did it in 133 total IP vs. Kiker’s 126. Plus, Deduno’s 26, so that non-prospect thing might apply.
But an 8.6 K/9 as a 21 year old in the Texas League is still pretty sweet.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Same for me
I think at this point in the rankings, I am going to put more weight in how close the player is to the Majors and then look at their ceilings.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Strop for me.
I have a serious stiffy for his stuff. I see the late inning power arm (perhaps replacing 2009’s Feliz).
Obviously it’s all about his control (just like Kiker) but to me at least Strop’s stuff is head and shoulders above Kiker’s.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 13, 2009 11:31 AM CST reply actions
See
After the first 6-7, there’s a clump of about 20 guys or so who are all, if not interchangeable, at least similar in value.
The difference between the system this year and in the last couple of years is that in the 8-15 range, you don’t have the sort of guys who could be in the top 3 in other systems…but you do have guys in the 20-30 range who could probably crack the top 10 of a lot of systems.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions
Yah
2010 in the minors is about seeing who takes off from the #10-and-over category.
There’s a lot of youth and full-season A do-gooders (if not greaters). Brigham, Telis… If someone saw Beavan working out at the Fitness Factory and said he was really going after it, deep down I’d wonder whether that fastball might zing back.
Lot of ambiguity after that top tier.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 13, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
The other day after we voted in DGut I said that there were two tiers done and now we were moving on to the third. Looking at the remaining list this morning tho’, it struck me that Moreland was the end of the 2nd tier and now there were like 20 guys remaining who all seem to have similarly sized question marks over their heads.
I disagree
in that at least the next 20 or so guys are similar in value. I think the last few in the top 10 and maybe a few more after that are similar in value, then you have a pretty significant drop off in the prospects’ current value. Most of them have a good chance at breaking out, but a lot of these guys are too far away and unproven right now to fairly stack up next to someone like Beavan, Kiker, or even someone like Beltre. Then again, some people vote based 90% on ceiling.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
for me right now, Beavan
was all hype. He doesn’t walk guys, but damn he practically strikes out less — and that’s in AA. That does not translate well for success in the Bigs. I hope he gets a bump in his velocity and can start missing bats or it’ll be a long road for him to nowhere
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He was still a 20 year old in AA
The lack of Ks is definitely a concern, but he still has a lot of time left to figure things out at least to be a productive RP.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
let's hope he can figure it out
if this was 5 years ago, we’d be counting on him. in our current system, we can give him plenty of time to develop
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yep
In the past, we probably would have expected to see Beavan in the Majors at some point of 2010/early 2011 as long as he wasn’t getting killed in the upper levels. Now, the team can take it slowly with Beavan and the only deadline to watch out for is his rule 5 eligibility.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Unless...
you are talking about the Astros system.
Then you have guys who are in the 20-30 range that could be in the top three in their system.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Guilty as charged...
I don’t know much about their system. All I know is what others have said about it as a whole, and from what I’ve read, it’s not very good.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Nope, But anyone from 20-30
could all be in a fight for 4-10 in the Astro’s system.
Right now, I have a hard time coming up with 10 real impact guys that aren’t from last years draft. Horrible, horrible system.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Completely agree.
And when you stare at them and try and separate them in your amateur opinion, it really stands out.
I’m excited to see what Sickels has to say since he always goes so deep.
Telis
I honestly can’t see voting Profar just yet. Let the kid play some ball first. Profar is at about 15 for me. Telis is hitting well at a young age at an important defensive position. The only thing keeping me from voting for Max here is questions about his wrists being 100% again.
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Concur...
I can’t justify Profar being in the top 10 in a system this good. At least not yet. He needs to get his feet wet first.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Kiker again
Can’t really argue with Moreland at 9. Still don’t get all the Kiker hate. Yeah the guy walks a higher amount than normal but you can’t argue with what hes done either. I think guys hate him for who we weren’t able to get rather than who he is. The two pitchers picked right in front of Kiker were Lincecum and Scherzer which Kiker is nowhere close to but who picked after him (especially pitchers) would you rather have? The guy has done as well as could be expected and is right on line for his development. Starting next year as a 22 year old in AAA is still pretty young
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'm with you here
went with Kiker. As he continues to grow and mature, I think he can gain the confidence in his stuff to challenge hitters a little more, and reduce his walks.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
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The two pitchers picked right in front of Kiker were Lincecum and Scherzer which Kiker is nowhere close to but who picked after him (especially pitchers) would you rather have?
Do you seriously want someone to name all of pitchers picked after Kiker who are better than him?
Just going off first rounders
Theres Jeffress who is way more wild than Kiker and hasn’t had the success Kiker has
Drabek, Better control but not the strikeout guy Kiker is and has been injured
Ian Kennedy, meh
And Joba.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No by all means give me the list
Name all the guys we would have legitimately picked at #12 who are better than Kiker?
I know about Tillman and Anderson in the 2nd round but those weren’t serious considerations at #12
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No, Steven, I'm not going to get into this with you.
It’s a losing battle because when you make retarded statements like this:
Drabek, Better control but not the strikeout guy Kiker is and has been injured
I know I can’t possibly get any message I try to make through your fucking skull.
by all means give it a shot
Drabek career K/9: 7.6
Kiker career K/9: 9.0
As 21 year old in AA Drabek: 7.1 K/9 in 96.2 IP
As 21 year old in AA Kiker: 8.6 K/9 in 126 IP
Drabek is a nice prospect don’t get me wrong. But people act like Kiker at 10 in our system is a travesty. hes a pretty nice prospect himself.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You're only comparing their K rates.
This is absurd.
by NoNameOnCard on Dec 13, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
He said I made a retarded statement
Everything I said in this statement
Drabek, Better control but not the strikeout guy Kiker is and has been injured
is correct. Pointing out their K rates is just one area. Drabek may be the better prospect I am not arguing that. But the Kiker hate is IMO unwarranted. Some people act like voting him at 10 is a huge travesty. I don’t think it is.
Robbie Ross got voted 6th in this poll and yet we can only hope he ever does what Kiker has already done. He won’t spend a full season in AA at age 21. He won’t finish 2nd in strikeouts in AA at age 21.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
AA comparison
Drabek per 9IP- H:8.6 HR:0.8 BB:2.9 SO:7.1 SO/BB:2.45
Kiker…..per 9IP- H:7.7 HR:0.6 BB:4.7 SO:8.6 SO/BB:1.82
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ok
so overall Drabek is the better prospect thats not the argument here. But what you posted does not tell me Kiker is a scrub who shouldn’t be voted for here.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
whoa
Calm down big guy. All I did was add a few more stats. Kiker at 10 is about right in out system. If Drabek were a Ranger he would be around 7 IMHO.
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Sorry
I admit I am a big Kiker fan but all the Kiker hate really annoys me. Is he a TORP…..no. But just because the guy is a little wild people tend to overlook all the good he does. There are some who have said he isn’t in their top 15 which completely astounds me. So I apologize if I get a little riled up when people start knocking the guy unfairly
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
next I think I’m going for Poveda. I like the James Shields comparison. Profar vs Telis after that. Of course, Profar is pure hype right now. That makes me a little reluctant. Gonna wait to vote for MaxRam until the BoSox trade possibly works out, and his K rates are really high now anyway, which is worrisome
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Ugh.
Please don’t let Kasey Kiker be the No. 10 prospect. This will piss me off more than Gutierrez.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I started voting for him at #5.
Didn’t really work out so well…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 14, 2009 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, so I rethought my reasoning on going Kiker last time
Based on some of the discussion in the last thread. Realized that I’d probably have him lower than a couple other guys, namely MaxRam and Moscoso.
I’m tempted to go Profar here, given how high the Rangers are on him, but I think I’ll wait awhile yet. It looks like it won’t matter who I vote for here since Kiker is running away with it, but I’ll give my boy Max a vote for posterity’s sake before he officially leaves our system.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I thought really, really long and hard about this.
I finally decided to go ahead and give Beltre’s upside a lot of due. It’s not usually the way I lean on prospects, but it seems like if (yes, big if) he figures out plate discipline, he’ll be insane, and it’s just enough to give him a nudge over the rest of the people I have in contention here.
I almost voted for Kiker or Moscoso instead, and it looks like Kiker will be advancing.
Also, I will not vote for Max Ram. Partly just to make deciding easier.
He sucks
you should vote for Velazquez or Profar.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
@LoneStarDugout Atlanta Braves signed minor league free agent/former Rangers 1B prospect Mauro Gomez.
@LoneStarDugout I was also told that another former Rangers 1B prospect, Ian Gac, has signed with the Chicago White Sox organization.
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Almost forgot to vote (!)
KK Downing for me, although I’m sure Trip will be along soon to quash my dreams…
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