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Thinking about Mike Lowell and Ryan Garko

Ryan Garko was non-tendered by the Giants yesterday.

This was surprising to me, because the Giants sent a pretty decent prospect to the Indians for him in July.

Back in July, when the Rangers were desperate for a righty bat who could DH and play some first base, I thought Garko was the best target out there for Texas

T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers were interested in him at the trade deadline last year, before he was dealt to San Fran, and suggests that he could be a target now.

Of course, if the Rangers had interest in him, it would be as a righty-hitting DH/1B option, and as we all know, Max Ramirez is supposedly heading to Boston so that we can pay Mike Lowell $3 million for the privilege of filling that role.

Garko has been about as productive as Lowell the past few years, doesn't come with the injury issues that Lowell does, will probably cost less on a one year deal than $3 million, and, of course, wouldn't cost the Rangers Max Ramirez.  Garko also has a career .313/.392/.495 line against LHPs, and if you are looking for someone to fill a platoon role, that's pretty impressive.

Lowell, on the other hand, has a longer track record, can play third base, and has gotten praise from the Rangers for his leadership, experience, and role on a championship club.

Max Ramirez, coming off a lost season in 2009, has seen his value drop significantly...he's going to be out of options after the 2010 season, and I think the Rangers -- and most other clubs -- don't view him as a catcher on the major league level, other than as a very short-term or emergency option.  And he doesn't really have another position, so he's either going to stick as a DH or he's a minor league lifer.  How much value you think he has is going to depend on how likely you think he is to hit well enough to be a decent DH for at least a few years.

More telling to me, though, is the targeting of Lowell by the Rangers, and their willingness to apply a pretty big chunk of their very limited resources this offseason to acquiring him.  Lowell isn't much of an offensive threat at this point...he's benefited from the Monster (he had a 932 OPS at home last year, 713 away, and 993/767 in 2007, although he was a little better on the road than at home in 2008), and while he's probably better than, say, Andruw Jones, he's not likely to be a good DH in 2009.

And yet, he's clearly someone the Rangers have zeroed in on, even with Garko and Jonny Gomes coming available at the non-tender deadline, and Vlad Guerrero and Fernando Tatis, among others, already on the free agent market.

Really, I struggle to understand what you get with Lowell that you can't get with Tatis, who is a free agent righty hitter who can play the four corners and who is likely going to cost less than $3 million per year, who appears to be a fair bet to be as productive with the bat as Lowell and who wouldn't take Max Ramirez out of your farm system.

There's a couple of possibilities.  One is that the Rangers, having viewed the free agent landscape and determined that the utility infielder choices are scarce, have decided that Michael Young will back up Elvis Andrus this year.  And since Elvis isn't going to start 162 games, they want someone who can give them 30 games a year at third base and acquit himself well there.  That means that you could have Esteban German or Joe Inglett in a bench role, along with a backup catcher and David Murphy, and leave your 25th spot for someone like Craig Gentry or Brian Anderson or Jeremy Reed, a true backup centerfielder who can spell Julio Borbon when he needs a day off and who can pinch run late in a game.  Presumably, you don't want Murphy or Nelson Cruz or Josh Hamilton to be your backup plan in center

The other possibility -- one that doesn't necessarily preclude the first one -- is that the Rangers feel leadership and championship experience is more of a need than offense, and Lowell is this year's Brian Jordan, the pretty much washed-up, broken down veteran who the team hopes to squeeze a productive season out of, but who is primarily here to provide intangibles to a young team.

I don't know Lowell, and can't say what he brings to the table in terms of the off-the-field intangibles.  But I do know that an inability to score runs is what kept the Rangers out of the postseason in 2009, and I find it troubling that the team seems committed to go to the well once more with the well-worn veteran retread/bounceback candidate, after seeing  Jordan, Brad Fullmer, Phil Nevin, Andruw Jones, Greg Colbrunn, Richard Hidalgo, and Sammy Sosa all provide mediocre at best performance when brought in under similar circumstances.

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Part of me wonders...

…if Daniels was stalling the trade to wait until the non-tenders came down, to see if there was a more viable option.

We’ll see.

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by ghtd36 on Dec 13, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

At this point

it is starting to feel that way. But that may be my optimism talking. Still, the fact that we are now leaking quotes to the press about our concerns over Lowell’s thumb, as well as JD’s comments on Thursday that either side could still walk away from this deal, lead me to believe there could be some truth to that. Now that we have German coming back at a decent rate, that could also mitigate the team’s need for another emergency 3B option.

Now my other concern is, there are still so many RH options at so many tiers, does the team act now to try to lock up Garko at something like 2-2.5M or does it wait and see if it can get Dye at 5-6M?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 13, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

well in the open market

he could make a little more, but yeah, you’re right. I probably overestimated that one.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 13, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We should be "IN" on Garko

as insurance for C Davis, anyway…..his splits vs. lefties, would make a him a good platoon at the very least, but especially now that Gammon’s is saying Lowell might need thumb surgery.

by tklawless on Dec 14, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If we are going to platoon Davis we might as well trade him

Before his abomination that was last year Davis had never had that bad of splits against LHP. I think you have to either roll with him as your everyday 1B, occasionally sitting him against a tough lefty if you want, or trade him and find a stopgap until Smoak is ready.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I was talking about as insurance for Davis

and a rh DH……Maybe CDavis will be the old version.

Do you think he has any trade value right now?

by tklawless on Dec 14, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If Michael Young plays SS again next year

Then someone needs to shoot JD

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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

Well

Would you rather have Esteban German or Joe Inglett as the backup SS?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I’d sign a guy like Amezaga or Nick Green

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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

So

A bench of Murphy, Teagarden, Amezaga, and a Brian Anderson-type CFer?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

and either Gentry or Boggs for the backup CF

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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

After looking at it

Amezaga has also played alot of CF and really good too. So you could go with out a Gentry type.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

right

If you have Amezaga backing up both SS and CF, you could carry both Lowell and Garko, or a couple of those type bats.

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by tricer on Dec 13, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this idea..although I wouldn't mind having some Gentry like speed on the bench

One scouting report on Amezaga (posted on SportsNet and SBNation):
Assets
Mostly a singles hitter, he draws walks and can play anywhere but catcher or pitcher. Is a solid defender wherever he plays and has above-average speed.
Flaws
Struggles from the right-side of the plate, which hurts his chances of seeing everyday playing time. Doesn’t hit for a lot of home-run power.
Career potential
A great utility player.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 13, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a very watered down Chone Figgins

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Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel

by jdh90 on Dec 13, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

with Borbon, Kinsler, Andrus, Young, Hamilton, Cruz

I don’t think we NEED any more speed, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt at all, as long as that’s not his only attribute.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Youngs fast?

If Mike Lowell gets on board in a late inning and you need a run desperately it would be nice to have someone who could pinch run. I’m not sure Lowell and his hip could make it home, or they may arrive separately.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

if it were about winning

I could see it happening; especially after the GM, without ANY money, went out and pulled off a few badass moves to make this team stronger

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions  

What about the possibility of moving MY

“to another team”? His $16m per for the next 4 years along with his -15 runs saved on defense??? Maybe the time is right to ‘explore’ a trade?

by tklawless on Dec 14, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes, it's not about the player

Consider this: the Rangers are broke, and don’t have any money to make a splash in free agency. So they trade for Lowell, whose numbers are down but still has a name. Isn’t that going to make the ordinary fan feel better about what the team did in the off-season — and won’t it help sell more tickets in a way that signing Tatis or Garko won’t?

Sometimes, we tend to we tend to look at deals in the vacuum of statistics, when the team has to consider other reasons.

Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?

by 3744nsheffield on Dec 13, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

No

I don’t think Lowell sells any more tickets than Tatis or Garko.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He could help convince Halladay to accept a trade here

Later on in the offseason, after the ownership situation is more settled, and the Jays wont be asking for the world.

by tyd3311 on Dec 13, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I dig your wine blog.

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by Ryin A on Dec 14, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahh the value of leadership

Something stats can’t equate. We lost Millwood, Byrd, and Vizquel, and to a lesser extent Guardado from last years club. We have a very young club that hasn’t experienced winning. We saw this past August we went into a offensive spiral right in the middle of a playoff push. While Lowell may not be able to help alot on the field he may be able to provide leadership on how to deal with the pressures of a playoff push.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 13, 2009 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

Leadership

Can’t you get leadership out of somebody who won’t have such a high profile position (like a UIF or backup catcher)?

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 13, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You could

But none of the options at those positions really carry that much.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 13, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe we can bring in

jason isringhausen to be our new Eddie Guardardo clubhouse vet with closing experience who has “been there”.

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by clark on Dec 13, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

at what cost?

is he healthy?

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

that’s what it is. Leadership.

I don’t agree with it at all either. Like you said, the FO views the loss of those 4 vets as a big blow to leading this young team towards a playoff push. Lowell was going to be brought in to help replace that loss.

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by slc ranger on Dec 13, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

well you have to admit

this team does need some leadership after they all left…I don’t think Young can carry that load. but I wonder how much an outsider like Lowell can step in and be that guy so quickly. I mean, he’ll be respected, but is he going to make that big of a difference?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

He can help them deal with the rigors of a playoff push

He would be a big difference over someone like Gomes or Garko in that regard

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I think people underestimate

how much the other guys look up to Face. Say what you want about his contract and his defenese, but I’d say he is the leader in the clubhouse…at least of the non-pitchers.

It’s always seems wierd to me to think that some outsider could just come in and be a leader of a team that he has no history with, but I guess it’s possible. Kieth Brooking seems to have done it.

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 14, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I don’t think Lowell would come in here and become the leader but once the season got going and we were into June and July and in a pennant race guys would go to Lowell for advice on how to deal with the stresses and rigors of a playoff push. As good as Young is he has never experienced that. Lowell knows what it takes both mentally and physically.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

This team...

needs players that will produce in order to get them to the playoffs, once they have done that, then they can worry about leadership in the playoffs.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Is the difference between a Garko or Gomes and Lowell in the limited amount of playing time they will get gonna make the difference between playoffs and no playoffs?

I don’t think it is.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it could...

and I like the idea of getting one of those guys for less $ so they can try and get another piece and keep MaxRam.

You never know who’s going to get hurt or produce like CD did last year. Take the best player and don’t assume their role will be limited.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying Lowell is definitely going to outproduce

Garko or Gomes, but there’s such a chance at that happening either way that I think you have to consider the intangibles. It’s not like Garko or Gomes are a Jermaine Dye-type or Jim Thome-type, where you know if they’re healthy and still have “it” they will be better than Lowell…these guys are just as much of a question mark as anybody else, splits be damned.

If I had to choose between Lowell for $3 mil and Max Ramirez, or Garko/Gomes for a lot less, knowing full well that we are playing for 2010 considering the choice, I’d take Lowell. If I’m worried about the future only, maybe I go the other way

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree....

we should though, kick the tires on Garko/Gomes with this thumb deal coming up on Lowell.

I don’t get why everybody keeps lamenting the loss of Max?

by tklawless on Dec 14, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Vlad's a leader

isn’t he?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Vlad don't speaky the english, IIRC.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Then he can lead them to the playoffs in Spanish.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

From what I've heard from Angel fans

Who have absolutely idolized the guy for the last few years, he’s a nice, funny guy who’s fun to hang out with around the clubhouse. But he’s not really a “leader” per se, and I doubt there being a language barrier with part of the clubhouse helps with that any.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So

I guess I’ll have to listen to this same rant on the podcast, eh? Shoulda kept your powder dry.

by shroomer on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

I've been all over Garko since

early July

This MaxRam/Lowell trade makes zero since when guys like Garko are available

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

As was I

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by Rodney on Dec 13, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by lonestarJon on Dec 13, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hambone

May not be all that bad as a backup CF option. He posted a positive 6.6 UZR this past year.

by Conjunction on Dec 13, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions  

I'll keep saying this until it sticks in some of your heads

A one year sample size worth of UZR is not great enough.

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Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel

by jdh90 on Dec 13, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Having...

Hamilton backup CF is like having MY backup SS.

That’s a road I don’t think the Rangers want to go down.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 13, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Garko makes a lot more sense than Gomes

But I definitely defer to JD on understanding the intangibles under consideration. From a stat perspective, we can maybe say that player A is 72% more likely to be more productive than player B at the plate, but really we can’t factor in off the field contribution. While those factors are negligible when talking about big differences in offensive potential, we’re talking here about pretty minor differences between these players. Really, all you can argue is that Gomes could be better than Lowell, or that Garko probably will be as productive as Lowell. But it isn’t like anyone is arguing that Gomes will be 2-3 wins better than Lowell. They’re all mediocre, right around league average, players. So when you’re dealing with a bunch of relatively equivalent options, I’m willing to accept that intangibles should play a role. Lowell has plenty of playoff experience, leadership cred, for whatever that is worth.

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by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2009 4:43 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

It's not worth giving up Max Ramirez.

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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 13, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps

That’s debatable. If the Rangers weren’t high on Ramirez’s chances of bouncing back, then it was just a matter of time and MaxRam got them a player they wanted. I always got the impression that the Rangers FO wasn’t very high on MaxRam for some reason, and I still contend that he was a bad start of the season away from being dropped off the 40.

The guy obviously has a lot of talent. And I wish that he would have done more last season to prove his value. But there is a difference between selling low and selling before no one will buy.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Comparing Lowell to that list of players just isn’t fair to Lowell, who had a decent, though not great, season last year and has not inconsistent at the plate.

Andruw Jones was awful the year before. Hidalgo was mediocre and inconsistent the few years leading up to his signing. Brian Jordan, Brad Fullmer, and Greg Colbrunn missed considerable time the year before. Sosa hadn’t played for a while. Phil Nevin was from an ugly salary exchange for CHoP. They aren’t equivalent in any aspect other than they were old players who sucked and you just assume any old guy who comes in is going to suck

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So I guess every year

JD is going to sign a good clubhouse, veteran leader every year since he doesn’t think he has that with his current team. At some point MY, Ian, Josh, someone, needs to step up and be that guy.

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by RangerMad on Dec 13, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe once we actually make the playoffs those guys will have the experience we need

Right now Young, Kinselr, and Hammy have a combined ) games of playoff experience

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by bigsteve on Dec 13, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I keep thinking that as brilliant as JD is...

he’ll drop this Lowell stuff and get Garko in here…

Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine

by TedFord on Dec 13, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

yep otherwise it would be done by now.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 13, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

pretty good

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 13, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The first few passages in Jamey's email made me very happy.

I also noticed Carrol’s tweet last night praising the Rangers medical staff (as well as a few others). I’m really optimistic about Harden’s chances to have a more productive and healthier year than in years’ past.

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Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel

by jdh90 on Dec 13, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

OT Cowboys are mental midgets

What does it say that I feel better after reading a post questioning a Rangers move than I did after watching that 3.5 hour abortion. Thank god we have someone like JD running the Rangers.

by JayinBoston on Dec 13, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

as stupid does?

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 13, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yee-up

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 13, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the difference between Lowell and previous veteran retreads

is that he didn’t suck the year before he came to the Rangers, like most of the others. Thus, it’s not as unlikely to expect solid production out of the guy. And when he’s on, he’s got a much higher ceiling than any of the other guys like Garko or Gomes. Those guys have already reached their potential, and its as nothing more than a marginal platoon player. Lowell is an all-star when he’s healthy, so there’s significantly more upside. And I think the leadership factor cannot be underrated. Yes last year Byrd was a leader in the clubhouse, but how much does it help to have a guy with no experience in the playoffs or winning leading other guys with the same lack of experience? Lowell has invaluable experience winning, and in a playoff hunt, and would be a regular player setting an example on the field day in / day out. That’s got to have more influence than having a veteran bench player that can talk all he wants but isn’t out there everyday putting his money where his mouth is.

by MikeEl on Dec 13, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

OT-Sooo

Dude rolls (knew that later) his truck tonight on my residential 35mph street. My neighbor and I heard the crash-bang (and peeps obviously racing) and ran outside to see if we could help. I ended up calling 911 after verifying no massive blood or somesuch, rescue was slow, cops didn’t show at all. One guy had a back injury, couldn’t stand or walk.

Thing is, a white Honda was obviously involved too, and limped away squeaking and left the scene. Another truck was pulled onto the median, and he soon backed up and left too. I am thinking the dudes were drunk, as there were many empty beer bottles strung over the median, street, etc, and they weren’t there went I pulled in about fifteen minutes before the wreck. We didn’t realize the guy rolled his truck until the firetruck put lights on it, I think he took out a street light too, as it was very dark, and normally isn’t.

Cops finally showed about thirty minutes later, so I didn’t talk to them. Question…should I call back tomorrow, as I am sure 911 logged my number, and mention the vehicles who took off? Moral obligation, or being a narc and sticking my nose in—-advise away, LSB.

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 13, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

I'd call back.

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by slc ranger on Dec 13, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

FUCK DA POLICE.

But seriously, might wanna call back.

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by Maximilian on Dec 13, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Was this in South Arlington?

I drove by an overturned truck in Arlington just about 20 minutes ago….

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 13, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

North Dallas/Plano

Bush & Tollway

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 13, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

On the bright side at least they weren't going the wrong way on the tollway

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 14, 2009 4:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Definitely let them know

It’s not exactly clear what the situation was, but if a crime was committed, the victims deserve the opportunity to seek criminal and civil justice.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 13, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If the other car was shot to shit

limping away from the scene, it seems punishment has already been served.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Dec 13, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

If the other car was shot to shit

limping away from the scene, it seems punishment has already been served.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Dec 13, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Quit Snitchin!

Seriously. Just stay out of it.

"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Coolidge

by hubcityraider on Dec 13, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

that's pretty dumb IMO

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

If I'm in that situation and involved in a drunk hit-and-run

I’d want somebody to call in on my behalf…

and if I’m the drunk idiot that caused it, I deserve retribution

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 1:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Looks like this deal is dead
mike Lowell may require thumb surgery because of years of ever playing hard and diving for balls. doesn’t deserve it

Peter gammons via twitter…

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 14, 2009 7:53 AM CST reply actions  

x

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Woohoo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

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