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Rangers All Decade (2000-2009) Top 10, #2





Mark Teixeira is the top prospect of the decade for the Rangers. Congratulations to him. I'm sure he is ecstatic about receiving this honor.

A recap on the background for this top 10... BA just completed the NL Top 10 and now are doing the All Decade top 10 for each team. They ranked the players from their top 10 lists to compile an All Decade Top 10. It appears their All Decade lists are meant to rank top 10 prospects that have gone on to have careers in the majors. In other words, this isn't a list of the most highly touted prospects regardless of whether they made it majors.... of all the prospects on the Top 10 lists, these are the ones that have turned out the best. For example, Joey Votto is ahead of Jay Bruce on the Reds list, and Chris Young is ahead of Brad Wilkerson on the Nats list. If you wish to emulate BAs approach, whatever that is, go ahead. Vote in any way you wish, but it would be good to hear some of your rationale.

All of BAs Ranger top 10 lists.

I've added Justin Smoak and Travis Hafner. Justin, of course, has yet to play in the majors, and so probably wouldn't be on the list for BA. Hafner was never on a Rangers' top 10 list, and I'm interested to see if he -- or any other non top 10s I've forgotten about (list them if you think of any) -- was better than BA was willing to give them credit for in our collective memory.

Poll
Who is the Rangers #2 prospect of the decade (2000-2009)?
Hank Blalock
42 votes
Carlos Pena
1 votes
Michael Young
22 votes
John Danks
4 votes
Adrian Gonzalez
16 votes
Neftali Feliz
20 votes
Francisco Cordero
0 votes
Chris Young
0 votes
Edinson Volquez
0 votes
Ruben Mateo
5 votes
Ian Kinsler
6 votes
Derek Holland
1 votes
Doug Davis
0 votes
CJ Wilson
0 votes
Gerald Laird
0 votes
Chris Davis
0 votes
Mike Lamb
0 votes
Ryan Ludwick
0 votes
Taylor Teagarden
0 votes
Julio Borbon
0 votes
Nick Masset
0 votes
Kevin Mench
0 votes
Laynce Nix
0 votes
Joaquin Benoit
0 votes
Travis Hafner
0 votes
Justin Smoak
0 votes

117 votes | Poll has closed

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The ones who have turned out the best

That puts current young prospects at a pretty big disadvantage. How could anyone say that Feliz has played better baseball in the bigs than Mike Young has? To me it was between Gonzalez and Young and I chose Young because of his consistency. A case for Gonzalez could be made.

What I don’t understand are the votes for Blalock. I know he was extremely well liked as a prospect, but his MLB career turned out spotty to say the very least. Ruben Mateo never did a damn thing, unfortunately. Feliz hasn’t had time to, only having one partial season pitching in relief.

by Black Francis on Dec 13, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply actions  

Mateo

What almost was…

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 13, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think he's probably 3rd for me...

after Teix and Blalock.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 13, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

He was actually a higher touted guy than Blalock...

Blalock was 3rd in 2003

Mateo was 6th in 2000, 9th in 1999, 17th in 1998 and the scary part was that he was still 5th on the Rangers BA list in 1997 at 19.

I can’t find the writeups for 97 and 98 but here are his 99 and 2000 witeups from BA..

1999

1. Ruben Mateo, OF
Age: 21 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-0 Wt: 170
Signed: Dominican Republic, 1994 Signed by: Omar Minaya/Hector Acevedo

Background: It seems like Mateo has been around for years and should be getting on the old side of prospect status, but nothing could be further from the truth. The Dominican native played all of 1998, his fourth full season, at 20 years old. Despite a shoulder injury that caused him to miss four weeks and then start slowly, Mateo enjoyed an excellent season. He handled a position change, established career highs in every major offensive category except stolen bases and put together a 27-game hitting streak.

Strengths: For pure tools and athletic ability, Mateo is one of the premium prospects in baseball. He’s the kind of athlete who would fit in at point guard or cornerback at a top college program if he had been raised in the United States. He successfully moved from right field to center field in hopes of playing there in the big leagues. With his raw speed and cannon arm, he has a chance to be a top-notch defensive player if he refines his routes and jumps. Offensively, the hitting streak and power increase attested to his maturity and improved consistency.

Weaknesses: Mateo has a live, tightly wound body that has not shown great durability. He missed time in 1997 with a hamate bone fracture, a month in 1998 with shoulder problems and was hampered by hamstring troubles this winter. None of the injuries is serious enough to cause long-term problems but a six-month healthy streak would be encouraging. Ideally, Mateo would draw more walks so he could use his speed and high batting average from the leadoff spot in the order.

The Future: The Rangers likely will start Mateo at Triple-A Oklahoma this spring and probably wouldn’t mind if he spent the entire year polishing his game there, as long as they get good production in center field in Arlington. Premium prospects such as Juan Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriguez carried the franchise for the past decade and the organization believes Mateo could be in that mold.

2000
1. Ruben Mateo, OF
Age: 22 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-0 Wt: 170
Signed: Dominican Republic, 1994 Signed by: Omar Minaya/Hector Acevedo

Background: The headline announcing Mateo as the Rangers’ top prospect last year proclaimed “Mateo Performs Despite Injuries.” Time for a rerun. A fractured hamate bone in his left wrist ended Mateo’s 1999 season just eight at-bats before he would have lost his rookie status. Stomach ulcers limited his playing time this offseason in the Dominican League, where the Rangers had hoped he would make up for the lost games. Neither Mateo’s recent injuries nor his past hamstring, shoulder and wrist problems have been career-threatening. He hasn’t needed major surgery, but the volume and regularity have to take a toll at some point.

Strengths: When healthy, Mateo has all the tools to become a perennial all-star. He has a lightning-quick bat that projects to hit for both power and average. Mateo’s blossoming power is his most intriguing skill. His home run progression the last four years has been from eight to 12 to 18 to 23, and most observers think he is just starting to scratch his potential. Because of his well-above-average arm strength, Mateo played right field his first two years as a pro. The Rangers, though, shifted him to center field before the 1998 season to take advantage of his plus speed. The conversion has been successful, and the Rangers are completely comfortable with the thought of going for their third straight American League West crown with a rookie in center.

Weaknesses: The infamous incident last summer when Mateo swung at a pitch and missed, only to have it plunk off his midsection, sums up his approach at the plate. He’ll swing at virtually any pitch, but because his hand-eye coordination is so extraordinary, he still has been able to consistently make solid contact. Major league pitchers overmatched him by changing speeds and keeping the ball out of the strike zone.

The Future: For Mateo to become a top-notch center fielder, two factors come into play. The first, obviously, is his health. The second is his ability to make adjustments. Two fellow Dominicans, Vladimir Guerrero and Sammy Sosa, had similar approaches when they first reached the big leagues. While they still aren’t imitating Wade Boggs, they have changed enough to become stars.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 13, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes I think people

purposely downplay how great that kid was just so they don’t have to deal with how big of a loss he really was.

He was on track to be what everyone hyped Beltre’s potential to be when Texas traded for him from Bos. Super raw athletic CF that could be super special if he tied it all together.

I still get frustrated thinking about it. You are talking about a guy that had superstar level talent

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 14, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

MY was not that hot of a prospect

He turned out alright, but I don’t remember a Mateo/Danks/Blalock hyper around him.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Dec 13, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions  

the fact that Michael Young has received a single vote at this point

either means that I don’t understand this ranking, or others don’t.

Our top prospects of the decade are probably Tex, Blalock, Feliz and Mateo, followed by Pena and then either AGon or Smoak. A guy like Kinsler should probably get votes after we get to the 12-15 range, but Young was never anything. He was the Tommy Hunter of 2B prospects coming through the system. If we vote for Young, we might as well add Warren Morris to the rankings…

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 13, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions  

i kinda don't really see the point in this anyway

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 13, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't either

but this is why I voted for Mike Young:

“…these are the ones that have turned out the best.”

He may not have been a hyped up prospect, but he was a prospect, and has had a very good career. Adrian Gonzalez has gotten two votes as of right now. I don’t understand this. He’s pretty good in the majors and has been for a while. He was also considered a blue chip prospect by most. First overall pick.

I don’t understand what we’re being asked to vote for, either, I guess.

by Black Francis on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is very ambiguous

I have no idea what “top rangers prospect” means when you know the outcome of some guys and not others. I’ve been voting for Feliz, because a Feliz who hits his potential will be far valuable to this team than any of the other guys. But heck, I could have voted other ways also

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

a prospect but..

I remember John Sickels, for one, saying MY would never make it as a shortstop because he had no range.

MY became a much better hitter in the big leagues and eventually became at least adequate – or almost so – at SS.

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 14, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

James Mason

What?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this would work better if there was just one set of guidelines

I think we should ignore the way that BA is doing this and just go for who our top 10 prospects are (so disregarding their ML careers and their post-prospect days value).

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 14, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

people are confusing top prospect with how that player turned out.

I don’t see anyway that MY was a top 10 prospect in this organization this decade.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

The best prospect isn't even listed..

Okay, Mark T is probably the best prospect the Rangers ever had vut there are definitely some missing.

For instance, Jovanny Cedeno was as heralded as any prospect in Rangers’ history and where is he?

And Ruben Mateo was up there as far as prospects. My personal top 3 in the decade would be Tex, Cedeno and Mateo.

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 14, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions  

Cedeno belongs on the list

but Pena, Blalock, Smoak, Feliz, Perez, Teixeira, and Mateo are definitely ahead of Cedeno.

Cedeno is more in the Colby Lewis/Mario Ramos/John Danks group

by Josh Lile on Dec 14, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

James Mason

I disagree. While Cedeno may have been very young before the arm went and probably had little mention on BA and other internet prospect sheets, he was known throughout baseball as one of the very brightest prospects in baseball before the injury.

I stand behind my opinion that he’s #2 – and he’s not even on the list!

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 14, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions  

Hank Blalock was considered the next George Brett IIRC

and he was the #3 prospect at one point. No way Cedeno is ahead of him at the very least.

by Josh Lile on Dec 14, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

James Mason

Well, there is no “criteria” and so, who knows what we are going by.

The most-hyped? Blalock was up there but not ahead of Tex or Mateo – maybe ahead of Cedeno as far as hype because he had more “hype time.”

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 14, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

James Mason

And besides, hardly anyone knows who he is – I mean, he didn’t even make the list. That shows you the hype level was low.

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 14, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the whole point...

There are like 9 guys ahead of Cedeno at a minimum. By this logic someone like Kyle Sleeth is #3 or 4 for Detroit.

I didn’t say Blalock was ahead of Teixeira or Mateo, though you could argue Mateo. I said he and Pena, Teixeira, Mateo, Smoak, Feliz, and Perez were ahead of Cedeno at the minimum

by Josh Lile on Dec 14, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

If he had little mention on BA

then he wasn’t that highly touted.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 14, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

He's not #2, but he should be on the list.

He was the Rangers’ best pitching prospect there for a while. Looks like he topped out at #65 for BA though.

by nivarsity on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of

Colby Lewis, Mario Ramos, Laynce Nix, Tom Diamond should all be on here too

by Josh Lile on Dec 14, 2009 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

James Mason

Alan Webb should be on the list too…

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 AM CST reply actions  

This whole thing appears to be overly confusing and not all that compelling.

I’ll probably let it slide while I’m traveling.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

I voted Neftali

reason being he represents the rarest of all commodities for a franchise that has never had one.

by Sherman McCoy on Dec 14, 2009 10:32 PM CST reply actions  

Who the shit is voting for Michael Young as a Top 10 PROSPECT?

Hank Blalock was the biggest prospect we had in this decade.. THEN Teixeira

"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales

by cmkelly29 on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

The problem with Young

is he was a prospect last decade and shouldn’t be on the list. He was a major leaguer in 2000. Mateo also has no place on the list, and neither does Doug Davis.

I personally thought Teixeira was our number 1 prospect from the time he was drafted.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Dec 15, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm at lunch and I have to get back to work

…but, again, if you read the question, it doesn’t ask who the most hyped prospect was. It’s unclear what it asks, but it does say something about what they did with their MLB careers. Mateo did very little. Blalock started off fine and fell on his face. Teixeira probably is the best. I went with Young just because he’s had a longer career and most of it has been very good. Why would Neftali Feliz get any votes? One partial season in relief?

by Black Francis on Dec 15, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

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