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LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #11

After garnering 40% of 134 votes, Kasey Kiker has won the right to be called the LSB Community #10 prospect!

The List So Far:

#1. RHP Neftali Feliz

#2. LHP Martin Perez

#3. 1B Justin Smoak

#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers

#5. RHP Michael Main

#6. LHP Robbie Ross

#7. RHP Wilmer Font

#8. RHP Danny Gutierrez

#9. RF/DH/1B Mitch Moreland

#10. LHP Kasey Kiker

Time to move on to the vote for #11. 

The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.

And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.    

Poll
Who is currently the #11 prospect in the Rangers' system?
Kennil Gomez
0 votes
Omar Poveda
6 votes
Joe Wieland
4 votes
Tomas Telis
13 votes
Ben Snyder
4 votes
Jake Brigham
0 votes
Jurick Profar
40 votes
Engel Beltre
19 votes
Braden Tullis
0 votes
Richard Alvarez
0 votes
Carlos Melo
0 votes
Pedro Strop
11 votes
Miguel Velazquez
5 votes
Michael Kirkman
0 votes
Blake Beavan
30 votes
Joe Wieland
0 votes
Robbie Erlin
0 votes
Craig Gentry
0 votes
Matt Thompson
0 votes
Chad Bell
0 votes
Vin DiFazio
0 votes
Tommy Mendonca
1 votes
Edwin Escobar
1 votes
Guillermo Moscoso
8 votes
Marcus Lemon
0 votes
Max Ramirez
24 votes
Eric Hurley
2 votes
Zach Phillips
0 votes
Wilfredo Boscan
2 votes
Luis Sardinas
0 votes
Leonel "Macumba" De Los Santos
2 votes

172 votes | Poll has closed

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toughest vote yet

I went with Strop because I tend to favor guys closer to the MLs. But really, I could have gone with Moscoso or Poveda also.

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by RangerMad on Dec 14, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

At this point

I think you have to say it’s up to him. Same with Kiker. If he pitches well in AAA, there’s probably room in 2010. If not, it’s hard to see all of those other options getting out of the way for someone who isn’t busting the door down.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to say.

Too much starter depth at this point. With about 10 guys capable of making a spot start this season, Poveda’s going to have to be on fire at the right time to get a call-up.

Definitely September if not sooner, though.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Went Beltre here

It was a tossup between Telis, Profar, and Beltre IMO. All three ooze tools and while Beltre has lost some luster due to his lack of plate discipline hes still going to spend most likely a majority of the season in AA at age 20.

By midseason if profar has in fact been playing in Hickory and held his own I could easily see him jump into this spot or even higher. But I just can’t do it yet.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

Beltre again.

And once again, I won’t mind if any number of people finish ahead of him.

by philkid3 on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

Voted Strop

Seriously kicked the tires of Beltre and Profar. I can see a future where Beltre puts it all together if I squint. Profar is a who knows how he’ll handle it all(moving to the US, etc.) Strop, however, seems destined to make a ML roster as power arm/closer. Frankly, it’s an embarrassment of riches this farm, and rankings seem so malleable depending on criteria. Should there be a consistency to parameters which we judge these players(i.e. tools over proximity)? It might be interesting to do 2 lists where only talent and cieling count putting a Profar way up the list, and another list which factors proximity to helping the ML club like for players like Strop?

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by Parman on Dec 14, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

Strop

I hope he starts out in AAA for a little while. As impressive as he looked in his short time up I think he may need a little more time.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Strop for me again.

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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 14, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

a couple have joined me on Velazquez bandwagon

who?

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by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

You think he skips over Hickory?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn, I was thinking he was in Hickory last year

I do think he makes it to Bakersfield this year, though.

by octoberty on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Paisano probably starts in Bakersfield along with Beltre and when Beltre gets bumped to Frisco that would open the dorr for Velazquez

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Beltre won't get bumped to Frisco because he still won't hit and

Velazquez doesn’t need him to anyway, he’s a RF’er.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

hmm

I had thought Velazquez was a CFer

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

He can play there

but he’s like Cruz in that he’s a really good RF’er okay CF’er.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

me

dude has always had tools, now he is putting them in action. Even though it was at SS, its nice seeing tools to go with solid patience. Guy could be a monster

by ramjam36 on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I had the front seat.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Dec 14, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Beltre

Because of the guys left on this list, he’s the one whose ranking we could all be most embarrassed by down the road.

by Conjunction on Dec 14, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

I won't be embarrassed because he has shown

no ability to translate his “raw” tools to performance. I know he has young, but he has to show some sort of plate discipline in order to rank this high

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 14, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Went MaxRam on this one.

Toss up between him, Telis, and Velazquez. I just don’t want to give up on Max yet, even if I’m fine with seeing him traded for Lowell.

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by rooster on Dec 14, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

MaxRam...

that trade is going to fall through.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

Even with the trade falling through

I’m not going with MaxRam here.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Dec 14, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

that seems to be a trend

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 14, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Max again

Last year was an aberration

by Josh Lile on Dec 14, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

Why is everyone down on Beavan?

At one point last year he was easily in the top 10.

by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think so...

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by Rodney on Dec 14, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's

the feeling that he doesn’t miss enough bats. His K/BB was right at three this year, so that’s solid, but he gives up a lot of hits and doesn’t strike out many. You’d be hard pressed to find a top notch pitching prospect who consistently strikes out so few. Porcello, but he’s Beavan’s age and already has a decent MLB season under his belt, so he was obviously moving extremely fast.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it has more to do with the reports about his stuff

FB velo hasn’t improved, slider deemed “unimpresive”.

by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It does for me personally

and I may be misdiagnosing others. This just seems like a pretty results oriented group as a whole.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you have the guys in this range ordered?

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by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

In a big ball

I really don’t have a problem with any of 6-8 guys, maybe more, here, as I don’t think that there is anyone who has separated himself after Font or maybe Gutierrez. I just sensed some unbridled optimism on Profar that I can’t even quite match without a touch of game experience, and I’m usually on the extreme on that sort of thing. I will admit, if the Rangers had signed Sano or Pimentel, I would probably conflict with some of the things I said about Profar, but I just have quite a bit less of a feeling of what to expect with him at the plate than guys like that.

I am one of those who has a good feeling about Wieland, and I’m surprised at how soon some of those folks who debated so fervently for Boscan last winter have dropped him down. I think more of him now than I did a year ago. Beltre, Velazquez, Telis and Profar are very close for me, as you add up their pluses and minuses. Any of them could make a major move, and I worry about approach at the plate for all of them.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

x
I just sensed some unbridled optimism on Profar

That has to be a product of JD’s comments about him.

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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think people have said as much. Even with that, though, I think you have to use your imagination to be voting for him in the eight range.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Big if, but if he were to start in Hickory

First off, how old would he be? 16 or 17? and how many 16 year olds can you remember starting off in full season ball?

by octoberty on Dec 14, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

17

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, that doesn’t completely enlighten me. Texas started Joseph Ortiz in full season ball at age 17. It had Beltre in AA at age 19 despite a dreadful A+ season. And they haven’t assigned Profar there, just speculated about it. As for track record, some 17 year olds who play full season ball are HOFers, but the recent cases are guys like Triunfel and Fernando Martinez, who were either not nearly as good as their clubs thought or were harmed by being rushed to badly.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's why I said big if

I’m more just wondering about precedent, and whether it is pretty common or not with his age/prof. experience. I dont know, I’ve only been following prospects for a few years, and prospects outside the Rangers org. less.

by octoberty on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It's also a product of...

Actual scouting reports and the size of his bonus.

No one was shy about putting Michael Ynoa in Oakland’s Top 5 last season.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

And look how that turned out

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

So...

because Profar might blow out his knee, we should pre-emptively ranked him really low?

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No

But lack of actual performance does get you docked a little IMO. Especially for Latin guys given the difficulties coming over to the states in most cases

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

What if one thought that it should have never happened with Ynoa

Then would it not matter to wait for some actual performance?

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by Gdawg on Dec 14, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure.

I really think, though, that there isn’t anyone on this board that wouldn’t have put him in Texas’ Top 5 last season, if they had been able to get him.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 15, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Fine

but no one would confuse the press and reports for Profar with the kind of hype Ynoa had last year. Not quite the same.

But, in this range, most of these guys are just interchangeable on preference anyway.

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by t ball on Dec 14, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I thought that was part of what Trip was saying. Profar was not one of the most ballyhooed or very highest bonuses this year. By those two categories, we should rank Sardinas higher. He reportedly got several hundred thousand more and in BA, for example, Sardinas ranked 6th while Profar was 15th – and they liked him better as a pitcher at that ranking. I’m not saying that Sardinas should be ahead of Profar, just that this sort of argument doesn’t really favor ranking Profar way high.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

And Daniels and others in the org

have spoken highly of Sardinas as well.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 14, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think, though, that the shocking lack of industry knowledge about Profar's ability at shortstop...

says that no one really knew what he was bringing to the table as an infielder. He was 15th as a pitcher, but he was signed to play shortstop. This, to me, speaks volumes about what BA doesn’t know about the guy as well as what the Rangers do know about the guy.

I said somewhere else (perhaps in a BBTiA comment) that reading in between the lines about Profar is where a large majority of my opinion was formed.

All of this “let’s see what he does” talk hasn’t swayed me to discount his status.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I certainly have no problem with Profar at #10 or 11 here

but I kind of reacted negatively when people started bringing up his name earlier. I mean, he was getting votes at #3, 4, 5. I personally have him near the top of the third tier, but I can’t see putting him ahead of guys like Font or Gutierrez right now.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 15, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I certainly hope that

the Rangers were right and a lot of other teams were wrong about his ability to make contact. But it seems silly to ignore the fact that the Rangers went pretty renegade on that, considering it has still been his other tools that the Rangers have raved about, and considering that most international players who don’t grade out extremely well in their hit tool struggle mightily, particularly right away. And the Rangers saying they may assign him to Hickory is fantastic, but it’s not like the Rangers are shy about assigning guys there who aren’t really ready offensively (Garcia, LDLS, Murphy for three in 2009).

by Brett Perryman on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Also...

The difference was not “several hundred thousand,” and the difference was in Profar’s favor.

Profar’s bonus was $1.55M.
Sardinas’s bonus was $1.5M.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

When did Profar's bonus become so big?

The reports right after his signing were under a million.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 15, 2009 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

From BTIA
Profar’s $1.55 million signing bonus is the most that the Rangers have ever given to an international free agent.

by octoberty on Dec 15, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm about the same on Boscan as I was.

I think I might be higher on some other people near him than I was, though.

by philkid3 on Dec 15, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm probably the opposite

Guys like Beltre, Max and Neil Ramirez, Poveda, Tim Murphy, Gomez, Beavan were the kinds of guys folks were pushing for in this range before and at least those guys have all slipped some in my view. Maybe not Beavan or Poveda, but I wouldn’t say that they’ve moved up, necessarily. I think that Boscan held up as well as any of those guys this year.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm very much results oriented

I like to read glowing scouting reports etc, but I have to combine that with what they do on the field. I don’t need to see them play at an all-star level, but I like to see an aptitude to adjust and improve when they struggle.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 14, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

low k rates

combined with those uninspiring reports, bad combination.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 14, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 14, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Beltre again.

I’m not gay for his toolsiness anymore, but I’m still bi-curious for them.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

lol

Beltre’s a sound pick

Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee

by Baseball North on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

5 tools, matched with some plate discipline

Miquel Velazquez

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by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

writeup from BA NWL rankings
10. Miguel Velazquez, of, Spokane (Rangers)
 
B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-2 Wt.: 205 Age: 21 Drafted: Rangers ’06 (19)
 
Scouts regarded Velazquez as a premium talent when he was a Puerto Rico high school senior in 2006, but he fell to the 19th round after he was arrested for assault and involved in a shooting. He made his pro debut in 2007, hitting .330/.381/.489 in the Rookie-level Arizona League, but missed all of 2008 after a parole violation caused him to spend time in a youth-detention center.

Picking up right where he left off, Velzaquez showed five-tool potential. Pitchers pounded him with breaking balls, but he has a good approach and his above-average bat speed produces hard line drives and power to all fields. He has good speed, though he needs to work on his jumps on the bases and in right field, and a strong, accurate arm.

"He had some issues, but we knew that when we signed the player," Rangers farm director Scott Servais said. "He got some issues cleaned up off the field and we’re glad to have him back. He’s a very talented kid and there have been no issues this year. He’s made quite a bit of progress maturity-wise and has a bright future ahead of him."

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by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

The plate discipline is obviously nice, but the tools aren't really close to Beltre's, imo.

I like Velazquez as a Cruz-type, but he’s older than Beltre and has yet to play at anything resembling a high level.

Plus, maybe I’m nucking futs, but I deduct points off a dude’s prospectitude rating for doing murders. That’s just the way I am.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Was just going to say that

Velazquez is 21, 18 months older than Beltre and showed mediocre control of the strike zone in short season ball. I mean his plate discipline can hardly be worse than Beltre’s, but we’re certainly not talking apples to apples when we compare the two guys’ numbers. Beltre has a lot of work to get his game together, though, I don’t think any of us would disagree with that, and I don’t think that anyone is pleased with his 2009, including the Rangers.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't get why the Rangers promoted him to AA

later in the year. Why do that to the kid when he was having as much difficulty as he was in A+. I think we’re rushing him too much

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 14, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a cup of coffee

He was coming off an injury and I believe Bakersfield was either in the playoffs or in the playoff hunt. The Rangers have shown a propensity to try and keep teams together in the minors for the playoffs so rushing Beltre back into a group that had played without him could be dicey. Maybe giving him the taste of a higher level will give him a little extra motivation to get out of that hell hole Bakersfield.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

On the "giving him a taste" part

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of it, but it’s an interesting psychology to me, because I would instinctively do the opposite. I would make clear to him what he has to change to get to that level and not move him until he got his head around it. I suppose you could combine the two, give him a taste, and say ’you’re not going back there until…’ To know whether they’re doing that I guess we’ll have to see where they assign him next spring.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless you show him...

what an amazing failure he’ll be at the next level if he doesn’t change. He definitely got a solid glimpse of that.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

’cause murderers are typically sentenced 1-year in a detention center. Be real for a minute.

by NoNameOnCard on Dec 14, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't being cereal.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, murdering, cereal

Clever

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

i wonder what kind of people are picking profar over beltre

i know kinslerhomer is but who else? especially after Z wrote his missive…

by ab03 on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

Short people

Yep, definitely gotta be the short people…

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by Rodney on Dec 14, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll own up to it

The twinkle in JD’s eye talking about him, Newberg’s report that he was hitting dingers in the ballpark from both sides, the fact that he’s played quite a bit of organized ball, the mention of him playing all year in fullseason next year…

I don’t care what Z says. Profar’s my dude.

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

35 LSB nerds can't be wrong

…can we?

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

27 others voted for Blake Beavan

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm surprised that Beav hasn't done better

I’d think he would be beating Jurick here, but I suppose the LSB consensus is the velocity and the K’s are pretty much gone

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't speak for others

But it’s not the velocity so much that soured me on him as it was the horrible reviews of his slider. That was supposed to be a pitch that made up at least a little for his inability to generate swings and misses with the fastball, IIRC. But it obviously didn’t, least not this year, because his K rates dropped into the black pit of doom when he hit Frisco.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And maybe it was foolish of me to equate the two

/runs and hides before spurdynasty beats self over head with graphs, tables, and 5,000 word article opining how velocity and k-rates have a direct correlation in high end pitching prospects

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, I was VERY pro-Profar a month ago

but the more I thought about it I realized I had no info on his bat except for a batting practice display. And even the raves about his glove from instructs pointed out that his slickness during infield practice didn’t transfer much in the actual games. If he shows up all glovey in Hickory and hits like 275/340/411 or something then he’ll rocket back up my charts during the July comranklist.

by shroomer on Dec 15, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Poveda, MaxRam, or Strop for me

I think Boscan was lights out before he got hurt, so I would like to see more from him.

I don’t really understand the Beavan, Beltre and Profar votes. All these guys are young and have time, so lets throw that out. Beavan was in AA, but had a measely 3.4 k/9. He needs to prove he can miss some bats in order to be successful at the next level. He can, but there is no way I can vote him this high until that improves. His FIP remains solid though

Beltre — I’ve always had my doubts, and he has “raw” tools to do great things, but he lacks pitch recognition and plate discipline. He again needs to start showing improvement in his approach. If he draws a walk 5% of the time, that would be good for him next year. That’s especially bad when you consider his SOs. (Telis has a similar problem — 192 PA in® ball and only 4 BBs) I would vote Beltre over Telis.

Profar — there isn’t much to say because we haven’t seen anything from him unless you count the little league WS. I don’t. He seems to have plenty of upside, but right now it is solely based on hype.

Had to go with Strop as he has the ability to be a really good closer. There are going to be faults with almost anybody and a case, I suppose could be made for many here. For me ultimately it came down to Strop or Poveda (his diminishing K/9 also slightly worries me). They both have shown some success at each level. MaxRam’s trend of striking out gives me reason for concern, so I couldn’t vote for him at 11. Though he still has a proven track record more than many on the list.

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by NothinG on Dec 14, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Went with MaxRam.

This was as tough as the past 2 and the next 3 or so.

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by lost in space on Dec 14, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

I got no problem with peepus choosing Max

I went and looked at his career stats again and that dude has been money every year but 2009, when he was clearly injured. If he can get healthy again you gotta bet he’ll resurrect his .300/.400/.500 mojo. JD, let’s hang onto him just one more season and see what happens. Whaddya say?

by shroomer on Dec 14, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Max again.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 14, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions  

Ditto.

I feel like he would have gotten more credit if he had a mysterious viral illness that magically went away…

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 14, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

wrist injuries for "power" hitters are scary things long term

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

This time last year it ws 'Max hasn't hit anything above AA ever'

Now is it ‘His wrists are hurt so he’s boned?’

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

um

those are both legitimate issues

by ab03 on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Just interesting

the finality on both of bigsteve’s Maxie statements

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Max to succeed

But wrist injuries for power hitters are scary injuries that may last a long time before they fully rebound.

As far as my “Max hasn’t hit above AA” that was more because so many people were speaking about Max as the 2010 DH and he would immediately step in and be this 300/400/500 masher. I was just trying to temper expectations while pointing out that Max hasn’t done well since Frisco. Since then its been followed by an injury filled 2009 which hasn’t done anything to dispel my reservations.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 15, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Well his power has returned in winter ball

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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

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