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not because

the Rangers wouldn’t want him, but because Tom Hicks couldn’t afford to foot the bill for the surgery…

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Whew.

Broken Thumb>intangibles

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Dec 14, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

exactly.

if he can’t play, but his intangibles are so great, make him the manager… otherwise, we can find another bat.

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by WhipSmart on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

As my equation proves

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Dec 14, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The yaying

Has more to do with hanging on to Max Ramirez than it does with Garko’s expected performance minus Lowell’s.

by Conjunction on Dec 14, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea....

just think of the extra money that Hicks can make when he sells Max’s contract to the Japanese.

by Redcaps on Dec 14, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I cant really see a solution out of all of this that I like anymore

Really I’d like a combo of Lowell and Cust which would cover the full DH duty and backing up the corners, but that obviously costs double the money and roster space + maxram.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 14, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

plus lowell would probably make waves about such a small role.

so uh.. yeah i don’t know anymore.

Garko is such a limited player.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither is Mike Lowell.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 14, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

or Cantu

although he would cost more in terms of $$ and trade pieces, cantu would definately be more desirable due to his versatility in the field

by Tony10 on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Lackey

Taking a physical in Boston. I hope he signs and gets his ass out of the AL West. Even if the Rangers have generally had success against him, a whole lot of other teams haven’t. I’d be happy to see him steal a few from the yankees and rays.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Dec 14, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

by the way, does this put buckholz on the trading block?

He had a pretty good year last year with a 4.21 ERA and .256 BA. With his stock down, and apparently with the Red Sox needing a middle of the order bat, would a Cruz for Buckholz swap be favorable? Maybe we’re giving up too much for Buckholz.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Dec 14, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

cruz for buccholz

and we’re giving up too much, huh?

i guess the real issue is that we don’t have a lot of offense to give up. we just aren’t a match

by ab03 on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Boston...

would have to throw in another high quality arm…

Anyone?

by JShoe on Dec 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing too ridiculous

someone like Bowden would be fine

"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron

by sunlegend54 on Dec 14, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

1st question: Probably not.

2nd question: no way Boston swaps Buchholz (2 H’s, people) for Cruz.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Assume the front office still wants Lowell. His price has just gone down.

Do you request the Sox to pick up even more $ or substitute someone for MaxRam? If so, who?

Stated another way is MaxRam worth $1mm, $2mm, $3mm?

by 3hacks on Dec 14, 2009 12:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Man, this'd be pretty rad.

This deal never made a lot of sense for us, imo.

Get Garko or Gomes and maybe a left platoon partner for ‘em like a Delgado or a Thome and I have to imagine we’d get better production for less money, plus we’d get to keep Max.

But I can just see Ron Washington now: “Oh, won’t somebody please think of the veteraniness factor!!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

Pfft

Try and keep up.

The correct terminology is trackrecordification metric.

As in, his trackrecordification is off the charts, fool.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

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by Brian Thomas on Dec 14, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Invictus looks terrible.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 15, 2009 5:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Bagger Vance'ish

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by Ryin A on Dec 15, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

True

But Matt Damon is still a beast.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 15, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh. The Golden Globe nominees have been announced

Read this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/15/AR2009121501275.html

Scroll down to the directors.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

So from JD's chat

It seems like one of the reasons they like Lowell is the ability to play 3rd….

The non-tender guys we’ve been discussing aren’t really 3B options — that has to be a major factor in their decision for Lowell, especially considering there’s no good option in the minors.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

I didn't get that feeling

JD said he could play 3B if Young needed a day or got injured. Based on Young history I don’t see him needing more than half a dozen “days” throughout the season. And since last year was the first real injury of his career I don’t know how much probability that has of happening again.

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by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

uhhh, I don't think so

Was that a joke?

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by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He might not be much with glive at SS, but he'd look god damn veteran-y as hell standing out there.

And isn’t that what really matters?

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ahh, now I see what you were getting at

missed it at first, and I don’t think they would construct a roster without a legit backup SS, but maybe you are right.

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by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm just going by what we have now

If Lowell were a Ranger, maybe Young and whoever ends up being the util infielder can split Elvis’ days off at SS, while Young would be the guy if it were going to be more than a 1 game thing.

by octoberty on Dec 14, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I'm sort of getting that feeling

since they agreed to this trade “in principle” at least before all the non-tender guys were available. They had to have a pretty good idea that guys like Garko and Gomes would be available — but the fact that they waited makes it seem like they value the 3B ability. That or the veterenyness.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you forget how he played through those finger injuries in 08

Lowell gives the team an option at 3B so that if Young is hurt, he doesn’t need to play through the pain and not be able to get healthy for the rest of the season. If everything goes right, Lowell wouldn’t get more than a few games at 3B all season, but you have to prepare Young missing at least a short period of time. And I wouldn’t really like to explore our internal 3B options as fill ins if Young get hurts.

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by Gdawg on Dec 14, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

backup 3b

I think we’d be ok if we had to put Davis at third for a few games next year.

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Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 14, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Davis at third

Its doable, but not something I’d like to see. That also comes with some other inherent problems, like who plays 1B and what if Davis doesn’t hit again next season. If Smoak isn’t ready, you’re going to kill your IF defense with Davis at 3B and someone like Garko or Thome at 1st. Lowell lets you have a single replacement to fill in for Young and less is more in this case.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Dec 14, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Lowell is a nice backup if Young gets hurt

But I don’t think if we sign Lowell that Young will all of a sudden start sitting 20-30 games a year or DHing those days. He will get his normal 5-8 days off a year barring injury. if he does get injured then Lowell will step in which is a upgrade over our internal candidates for sure

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

So...

you agree with Dirk’s original post then?

by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 14, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

To a degree

But over the last few days people have thrown out when talking about our backups that they will need to play 3B and some have thrown out 15-20 as the number of games thinking Young would be sat or DHed that often. I just don’t see that happening. Lowell being able to play 3B is a plus but shouldn’t be the reason we sign him because the likelihood of him playing there enough to make a difference is slim to none. if we don’t sign Lowell and go with Garko or Gomes I am fine with Inglett or German at 3B the handful of times throughout the season we most likely will need. Now if Young gets hurt then thats another story

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The whole point of my post originally

was that I think the Rangers are going after Lowell BECAUSE they are more concerned about a legit backup 3B — apparently more than you are.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

My response wasn't directed totally at you

More to the people who believe for some reason that Young is all of a sudden going to sit or DH 20 times next year simply because we sign Lowell. He will be the emergency 3B and start there the handful of times Young does get a day off. And if Young gets injured he is the guy we turn to. But if Young doesn’t get injured (which is very very likely) I doubt Lowell plays more than a dozen games at 3B. Something I personally think Inglett or German could do if needed.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah that's exactly what I said earlier

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Makes me

think we might be in on Garrett Atkins.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Dec 14, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah he's the only other 3B option that was non-tendered

That sort of scares me. I think I’d rather do the Lowell deal than go after Atkins.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh. Please, mother, I woud not like to taste him.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Gues who's back in the mother fuckin' house... Presumably with something to stick all up in your mouth.

Answer.

Didn’t know he was still playing.

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Bad link

I think you meant this one.

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by Rodney on Dec 14, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

ha ha

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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

YAY!

ルイス コルビー is back!!!!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Kameko from Japan say...

you got dat rite!

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

on Halos Heaven
There are

a certain number of teams that I think all of us as Angels fans wouldn’t blame a player when they hit FA leaving for… but in the same respect there are a handful of teams that we all won’t forgive players for going to.
If Lackey signs with the Clevland Indians or NY Mets, or The Balt Orioles, when he would play the Angels he would get a standing ovation.
Just like Figgins will the first time he plays here, even though he went to a division rival.

But Boston, the Yankees, or Texas
He will be booed and deservedly so

My prediction as of 12-11-2009- Wood .265 avg, 20 HRs 70 RBIs and an above average glove at 3b

by Sinatrasratpack on Dec 14, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Granted we are division rivals, but wow did not know some Angels fans hated us as much as the Yankees or Red Sox. I like it. Maybe a rivalry will build some excitement for baseball around the DFW area.

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LOL

by MayurP on Dec 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Fuck the Halos

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

They just know that we are a franchise on the rise...

they, on the otherhand, have already lost Figgins and are about to lose one of their top pitchers and Vlad…to top things off, they still have GMJ!!

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 14, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, most of us hate them as much as we hate the Sox and Yankmees

So why shouldn’t we expect them to reciprocate?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 14, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Because...

the Rangers haven’t won jack shit for a decade.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 14, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Please

let Halladay go to the Phillies. He is supposedly in Philly talking contract extension. Halladay to Philly and Lackey to Boston leaves the Angels searching very hard to improve their rotation.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 14, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

Yep

That would be a shot to them. Looks like their luck might run out this upcoming year.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

But the big rumor is Lee heading to the Mariners or the Angels in this scenario (Probably Seattle), which I don’t know if I am fond of.

by CS3 on Dec 14, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Rangers have the prospects

I would like to see Lee here this year. Probably can’t afford him though. Fucking Hicks.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, were only a couple million off

Maybe we send Frankie to the Phillies to clear the salary difference and keep CJ in the bullpen, then we just need the money to sign Matt Capps

by octoberty on Dec 14, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Who would close?

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

CJ to start

Feliz would be the safety net

by octoberty on Dec 14, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya

I could see Feliz taking over if CJ falters.

by FelizCheez on Dec 14, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

In that case...

Fuck Feliz going to the rotation. We would be in it to win it in 2010. Feliz is effective NOW in the pen.

CJ and Feliz would compete for the closer’s role.

by FelizCheez on Dec 14, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Rather

have Halladay than Lee. If not for our ownership clusterfuck, we might have been the leading contenders for Halladay.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Dec 14, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

As would I but

We have learned Halladay turned down a trade to the Rangers at the dead line last year.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

But who do you give up for him?

They’re gonna want Perez, Feliz and/or Smoak, and I’d have a hard time giving either of them up.

But, hey, you guys can have Murphy in the deal. Add some grit! And lookit that face! We’ll toss in dirt on his uniform for free!

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by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well the Phillies didn't give up

Any of their 3 top prospects to get him. After the big 3 I’m sure the Rangers could put together a great package.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Never mind

Lee going to Seattle

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

OH.MY.GOD.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

If I recall

didn’t we light up Lee the last couple of times we faced him?

by MikeEl on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

yes he hasn't done well against the Rangers..

BUT I’d still rather have him on our team than the Mariners.

2008 :
 22 wins 3 losses
2.54 ERA, 1.11. whip, 223 innings, can strike guys out if need be..ugghh

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

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