Lee to M's; Halladay to Phillies
by coolaid on Dec 14, 2009 3:00 PM CST
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2:56pm: Heyman tweets that a three-way deal has been agreed to with Halladay going to the Phillies and Lee to the Mariners. The Phillies are now trying to sign Halladay to an extensin.
Felix and Lee make a nice 1-2 punch for the M's.
If not for our ownership clusterfuck, we might have been the leading contenders for Halladay.
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Any info on who they are sending and where?
This sucks.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Yikes
Anything on what the M’s are giving up?
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Wonder what Seattle is giving up
Morrow would have to be one I would imagine right?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
wonderwhat/who the M’s gave up in this deal
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Seattle is going to be tough next year
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Screw you GMZ!
Unless, of course, he gave up way too much and weakened too many other positions to make it happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Good thing is Halos are pretty much screwed now
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
If Lackey, Halladay, and Lee are all off the board, who can they realistically expect to add to their rotation?
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Maybe they could get Rowdy from the Cowboys?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
With their freaking luck, he'd come in and win the Cy Young as a rookie without spending a day in the minors
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Sheets
keep Escobar
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
maybe they would trade
with the Braves for Derek Lowe or with the Reds for Harang?
I would love to see Harang
in TBPIA. That would be a good day to sit in the outfield, if you want a homerun ball.
That's why they call them business sox
Agreed
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
depends 100% on the kazmir you get – pre trade or post trade guy?
saunders has a CAREER 106 era+ …color me unimpressed
ervin santana: career 99 era+
depends if you get the good or bad santana/kazmir
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
If both us and the M's could just add a big run-producer
The Halo’s might be third-favorite in the ALW next year.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I can't imagine the Mariners didn't have to give up a shit ton to make this happen
With both Lee and Halladay being premier players to send in a trade, I doubt the Phillies and Blue Jays added much else to the deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
gotta think it includes
saunders for sure
morrow
???
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
triunfel?
gillis?
juan ramirez?
liddi?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Aumont?
Maybe the Phils convert him back into a starter
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
hmm
es possible
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
morrow > aumont
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
better at walking 6 guys per 9?
No, in all seriousness, I would rather have Morrow as well…its fucked up the way Seattle has jerked him around
both of them
although IIRC morrow wanted to go back & forth — i think he may have had diabetes like cutler did?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Can't
His hip is missed up
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
or messed up
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
On SI.com too
The Phillies are in agreement on a three-team trade with the Mariners and Blue Jays to acquire star pitcher Roy Halladay, SI.com has learned.
Sources say Halladay will agree to a contract extension to complete the deal.
It’s likely Cliff Lee would wind up with the Mariners in the deal.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Two things
1. I’m anxious to see the details
2. Lee might be WAY overvalued right now because of what he did with the Phillies. Look again at his Cleveland 2009.
I agree but
he can still be a #2 in Safeco, I think
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Not really
His WHIP was over 1.33 for April, May and June. To me, it was more that he had a great first half in 2008 but then reverted to a little better than his old (pre-2007) self in the second half of ’08 and ’09. He was something else with the Phillies, though, ace of the playoffs.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
That's my hope
that the M’s are buying high and will regret it. Still sucks, though.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
and of course
we rocked his world to start that rough beginning…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Blue Jays GM better have made out like a bandit on this one.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
For Andrus?
Prolly.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Why would that be?
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Theo
is a smart cat so he probably knows aces don’t grown on trees.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
They have no need to trade guys like Beckett for prospects unless someone's willing to greatly overpay
They can re-stock their farm just by spending big on drafts and international FAs.
by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think they're much more likely to give up Buchholz in an AGon trade.
Than trade Beckett.
by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ok...
so we retract the Max for Lowell offer, and push for Buchholz
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Let's get him as the throw-in in the Lowell/MaxRam deal
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
and have Boston pick up his entire salary
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
mlbtr
However, in a subsequent tweet, Heyman apologizes for a quick trigger finger and says that while the Ms are confirmed as the third team he is checking to verify they’ll get Lee.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
hmm
the blue jays are getting 1 of:
d brown
m saunders
m taylor
morrow?/happ?
liddi?
gillis?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
2010 season over...
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Haven't we historically beaten Lee up?
/points to ‘from mobile’ below text for anyone calling self lazy for not looking it up
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Dec 14, 2009 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
5-3 with 7.09 ERA vs the Rangers
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 14, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hah, don't think so
The Mariners offense still sucks.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
I know
That was before I was told to remember how horrible the M’s offense still is.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Also realize that their year involved
Washburn performing like he never had before and Bedard actually logging around 100 very good innings. I’m not sure that this doesn’t basically even out the pitching they have already lost this off season more then adding more to it.
I am not arguing that either Washburn or Bedard is better than Lee, just that 216 innings of 2.7 ERA baseball is probably about what you would predict for Lee, if not better than what you would predict for Lee.
What do voluntary mean?
nah
The M’s are buying high on Figgins, who is only a marginal improvment over Beltre, and Lee, who they will be paying a lot for.
Basically, they are going all-in on pocket 8’s this year. They have a good hand, but very beatable.
Go Rice Owls!
depends on what else happens
this offseason. The M’s still have money to spend and could possibly add a couple pieces. Their defense is the best in the league. I think the Angels are going to make a couple of big moves before this offseason ends. They, as well, have a fortune available at their disposal.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Why? Seattle still can't score.....
(admittedly they may give up less) and we have killed Lee lately…..The Angels are reeling. Think Matsui will offset the loss of Lackey & Chone? Our ‘kids’ are another year older & better…..Looks like a fun summer ahead and a great race.
I wish P&C reported tomorrow!
Why? Seattle still can't score.....
(admittedly they may give up less) and we have killed Lee lately…..The Angels are reeling. Think Matsui will offset the loss of Lackey & Chone? Our ‘kids’ are another year older & better…..Looks like a fun summer ahead and a great race.
I wish P&C reported tomorrow!
This is goign to be one of those deals that is going to depend on what they sent
Lee pretty much already said he was not going to give a discount to his team and pretty much alluded to the fact that he is going to try FA.
This could be a very costly gamble by Sea
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Yup, like the Bedard deaL/
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
for which
they are still cursing the O’s for
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
oops
for which they are still cursing the O’sfor
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Are you an M's fan or a Rangers fan?
Honest question. Based on your posts at LL and here, I really can’t tell.
by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 3:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Grew up in Texas
but watched the Mariners with my grandfather as a child. I follow both pretty heavily. More of a Rangers fan than a Mariners fan, but I do have a soft spot for the Mariners.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
gross.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Gagree
Sad but my sister is a Yankee fan. I’m going to disown her.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I can at least understand being a Rangers and Yankees fan
one pays a lot of money to win and has won quite a lot; the other doesn’t. but IN OUR OWN DIVISION!?!?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Cliff Lee: career 7.09 ERA vs. Texas.
Let’s pump the brakes on handing the division to Seattle.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
And a whopping 9.19 career ERA at RBIA.
/pumpbrakes
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
his performance against other teams
also counts in the standings
4.44 career ERA @LAA
4.67 career ERA @OAK
Soooooo…
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
'Cause I'm a pothole.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
'k bye...
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
Mike Lowell vs. Kazmir
.933 OPS. Ok, I’m not being serious with this.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Well
If not for our ownership clusterfuck, we might have been the leading contenders for Halladay.
That, and his no trade clause, right?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
I think
he would waive his no trade clause to come to Texas.
It’s all about the Benjamin’s and we are “on the verge” so to speak.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
There were conflicting reports
on whether he’d waive it or not. I’m guessing he wouldn’t have.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think he would've been more likely to...
had MLB not been financing the team. Anyone could see a situation like right now, the writing on the wall.
and that we dont have spring training
in florida
If the Phils are giving up Lee for Halladay
You could make the case the ownership is denying us a chance to acquire Lee.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Halladay was never coming here
probably not even for ARod money (well maybe)
We were in on him at the trade deadline, but he said he would not waive his no trade to come to Texas……never wavered on that.
I bet he would for
iphone money…or jerry jone money
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
MLB.com's Noah Coslov has no confirmed deal from Lee or the Ms.
Hmmm
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
The 2009 Seattle Mariners gave up a league best 692 runs last season
Without knowing who the Mariners gave up, its tough to say how good/bad this deal is, but looking at their roster, this move doesn’t help them improve much over last season. It will help them prevent some regression, but as long as they gave up some of their top prospects to make this happen, I like this deal as a Rangers fan.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
The shift in balance of power in the AL West has happened astonishingly fast this offseason.
I HATE that the Ms got Lee.
I guess if I were Phillies, I’d be happy, but it isn’t a massive tick up for them, right? It’s not like Lee was replacement level.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Halladay will sign an extension
Lee already said he wanted market value and will probably test FA
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Halladay is going to make the NL his bitch.
Unless years of ridiculous PAP finally catch up with him, he’s going to be retardedly dominant.
by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
Wanna go ahead and pencil him in for 20 and a Cy next season?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
retardedly dominant
Epic win on your quote sir.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Dec 14, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
AL West....
should be the most competitive and interesting division in baseball this year for sure. so many intriguing things about this division.
I'm looking forward to a huge Angels collapse next season
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
The Halos could clearly be the third-best team in the division.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
id say a chance at 4th
if they get ~career avg (100 era+) from kazmir/santana/saunders + old age catches up with the other guys
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
we expect the Angels to suddenly get old every year
This year they are losing key players and not replacing them. Slight difference.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 14, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Counting out the Angels is always a good idea.
by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Now, LOL speculating that it might be Hamels
That would scare me more than Lee
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
It would if he had a curveball
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Heyman article on si.com
The Phillies are in agreement on a three-team trade with the Mariners and Blue Jays to acquire star pitcher Roy Halladay, SI.com has learned.
Sources say Halladay will agree to a contract extension to complete the deal. It’s expected to be a formality.
The Phillies have discussed Cliff Lee in trades, but it isn’t confirmed who the Mariners would be receiving in this deal.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Wonder if it might be Jayson Werth
Werth/Guti/Ichiro would be bananas.
Much much much more likely that it’s Lee though.
by LiamP on Dec 14, 2009 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
@Rotoworld_BB C. Lee -S -PHI: Lee’s agent in the dark about rumored trade http://tinyurl.com/m6tt7l
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I don't think Lee is going to the M's
Hamels is more likely.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
nahh got to be Lee
Hamels is still under team control
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
selling way low on hamels too
id be sick if they get hamels
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
For them
But a great day for Ranger fans.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
The Halos
With what they lost not with what the M’s gained.
If all is even and both are healthy who is better Harden or Lee?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Harden
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
My point
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
But when has that ever been the case?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
True
But it the Rangers can get 170 ip from Harden I will take that. M’s still have to score runs. I still like the Rangers chances better than the M’s at this point.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
If
Hamilton, Kinsler and Davis can get back to form then maybe
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said
I like those chances better than anything the M’s have right now to generate offense.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Lee went for nothing...
Tyson Gillies, Philippe Aumont, Juan Ramirez.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
link?
if so fuck the M’s
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
from the LL guys listening to the radio
I doubt it, but If so they gave up nothing
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
That can't be true
a spare hitter, a bullpen guy and an okay stater prospect? Not happening.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
depends what one thinks of him
starter? yes
reliever…well you can only be “so good” as a RP
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Even the LL guys don't belive it...
If that is the case, the Mariners got a steal..
I am thinking they left out a prospect
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
horrible deal
fwiw, gillies is a good prospect (well hes gonna be a MLB’er), ramirez is a breakout guy and aumont < morrow < saunders
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Gillies has absolutely no power a lot of question marks.
Ramirez is decent, he was shelled in A+ last year. Aumont is a relief prospect with health issues.
Huge steal for the M’s.
This lurker would like to pop his head up to say...
Assuming Felix isn’t going to Toronto – FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@SI_JonHeyman im being told #halladay will agree on deal with #phillies, which would finalize trade. but not likely to happen today,
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
From rotoworld:
Cliff Lee’s agent, Darek Braunecker, told the New York Times’ Tyler Kepner that he has not heard from the Phillies about a trade.
A handful of reliable news sources are reporting that a three-team deal has been agreed upon that would send Cliff Lee to Seattle and Roy Halladay to Philadelphia. It’s odd that an agent whose client is involved in the trade would have no knowledge of the negotiations. Stay tuned. Dec. 14 – 4:21 pm et
Source: Tyler Kepner on Twitter
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
the Mariners have to be completely mortgaging their future
to compete this year. I just hope Lee doesn’t sign an extension with the M’s. that is what would really suck, but we tend to light him up
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Jeez:
According to Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman, the Red Sox and John Lackey have agreed to a five-year, $85 million deal.
$17mil x 5 for a 3rd starter…I hope he tears his labia.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
labia
i cant decide if i hope that was a typo or not. beacuse, eww
Frisco radio gaff
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Did I say labia Carlos?
I usually enunciate very well. Are you sure I said labia, and not labrum.
/Scott Garner
lol
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Either way, it's very funny.
And, pretty much summarizes how I feel about Lackey.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I laughed when I saw this.
He’ll be 37 at the end of the contract. Holy hell.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
lackey > FOTF
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
good luck with that Sox
I hope they pitch him game 1 against us in the playoffs and we crush him like usual :)
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
It's a joke really
They also had a ton of comp picks last year. MLB needs to fix it and fast.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
We should get 4 this year
but that’s partially because we didn’t sign someone from last year. With all these Angels picks, our window to compete will be the next 3 years.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Whats the success rate on late 1st round picks?
Under 75%?
Under 50%?
Under 25%?
And 3 years is a very short time span for most later picks to reach the majors. I wouldn’t worry about this year being a total restock of the system for the Halos and that we have a tiny window because of it.
What do voluntary mean?
1st rounders succeed at an exponentially higher rate
than any other round. and the fact that the Angels will have had around 10 1st round picks between 2009 and 10 is ridiculous.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yes they are better picks
and they hit more frequently. That doesn’t mean that late 1st round picks are good bets to produce MLB average players in a short time scale. If they had 10 picks inside the top 10 the last 2 years then I would be suitably scared at this point.
If out of those 10 first round and supplimental picks they get 2 average and one good player they have probably come close to the right trend.
If things break right there’s reason to expect that we will have an equal to greater haul from our picks this year than the Halos do.
What do voluntary mean?
Alright, all of the above posts make me laugh
Boston will throw Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Buchholz, Matsuzaka, damn. That’s pretty stout.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Right, but that's overpaying for Lackey.
I also laugh because he’s off the Angels. Which means they don’t have much. Weaver and Santana are their two best starters. Weaver is good, but Santana always seems to be injured.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
santana: career 99 era+
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
X
T @MLBastian: RT @JimBowdenIV: Source: Toronto getting Phil Aumont and Dominic Brown in 3-way Halladay/Lee deal involving SEA/PHIL and TOR
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Better be Morrow too
@jonmorosi Source says Aumont (from SEA) and M. Taylor (from PHI) among players heading to TOR.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Well my initial reaction is fuck this
Why couldn’t the Ms have gotten Lackey instead?
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions
And now John Frusciante may have quit the Chili Peppers.
and I was having a good day too….
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
WHAT???
why???
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
The only thing that bothers me about the deal
is that I don’t think that much of the Mariners’ top prospects. Seems like everyone is overreacting a bit, though. Look at Washburn did for Seattle last year and where it got them.
I think you can credit their defense for alot of Wash's success
much like how our defense took strides this year, and it really helped our pitchers.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Agreed
but its all about stats. Washburn/Bedard last year provided equal to or better in ERA then you can expect Lee to do this year with a similar number of innings. They likely get the ability to pencil those numbers in as opposed to praying that they get that again from the combo, but does that mean that they have a huge improvement over last year, or that they are basically paying to try and make sure they don’t slide backwards a lot.
What do voluntary mean?
I always wonder
about these “special case” teams like Seattle and San Diego and San Fran whose ballparks are heavily biased towards pitching. Does it still make sense for them to invest heavily in better pitching than other teams? I can see investing heavily in speed and defense, which are big pluses in ballparks that play big.
Go Rice Owls!
The 2010 Rangers
are probably going to be picked to finish 3rd or 4th again this year in the division. Possibly 4th, because everybody has an infatuation with Mr Beane. I don’t mind this. We can fly a little bit more under the radar.
Tomorrow, our ownership situation should start the next phase of working itself out. Hopefully, something can get done by February, so the Rangers can add a couple more pieces as needed.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
who cares where people pick us
I’m sure it’ll be en vogue for everyone to run around saying that the AL West won’t have any 90 win teams as well.
Go Rice Owls!
I don't know where we are just yet
but we haven’t improved and the Mariners have.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Shut up
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
+1
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
+36
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Millwood = Harden + spot starters?
How’s that?
by brettgardner on Dec 14, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Because Josey hates JD
And likes to hi jack threads.
Josey = Rosanne’s star fish
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Nothing is hijacked
I was asked a question. I don’t think the Rangers have improved as much as the Ms (and they’re not done yet).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
And perhaps the Rangers aren't done yet, champ.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Well
He didn’t say they were. He was talking about right now.
by brettgardner on Dec 14, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
nobody asked you that
I didn’t see “Hey Josey, did we improve?” the reason that question wasn’t asked, is because we ALL know how you feel about it already.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
I said I don't know where we are just yet
but I have seen almost nothing but subtraction and very little in the way of addition that can be counted on to be healthy in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You're assuming Harden is going to stay healthy enough
to pitch 130 IPs and that his replacement is going to definitely not kill us. Lots of moving parts there given how Millwood gave us 198 IPs last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You assume that Lee
is going to produce better than a 2.7 ERA over 216 innings for them next year?
What do voluntary mean?
Against teams he has struggled with in his career.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
I think Lee is going to be pretty
salty in that ballpark.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Does Hernandez post sub 3 ERA's?
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Just checked, last year was the first time he did.
I don’t think Lee will.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
I feel dirty
..but I agree with you on that.
by Black Francis on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
ballpark + defense
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
I actually dont think we have improved
Yes, Harden and Ray over Millwood is great but losing Byrd, Jones (as worthless as he was he is better than who we have now), Vizquel, and Pudge probably makes up for that upgrade.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Considering we havent added anything else....
Those players all suck but they are much better than we have now. Pudge is much better than TT, Byrd is much better than Borbon (for this year at least), and Vizquel is much better than Inglett. What am I missing
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Byrd is much better than Borbon.
He had his worse offensive season as a Ranger last year, and any team who signs him will overpay.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
im not talking about money
on the field performance, its no question that losing byrd is a downgrade.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
So now you’re mad because you get to see Borbon make all the plays that Byrd make look hard, easy?
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
i seem to remember
borbon making a shit ton of errors in left last year….
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
lol errors
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
So by that logic
you’d rather see Michael Young at SS rather than Elvis?
2009 Elvis: 22 Errors
2008 MY: 11 Errors
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 14, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm ya
If I had to pick either Michael Young or Elvis, I would take Michael Young. Luckily we can have both.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
wow.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
He clearly has a lot to learn if he's going to stay here.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
umm you mean like baseball?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Yep.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Its got to be a bit...
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Really you would pick FFace at ss over Elvis?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Fail. Big. Stinking. Fail
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the kid rides the short bus
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Ay come on now guys.
Maybe he hasn’t had the chance to familiarize himself with better metrics to evaluate players and their worth. I say we give him that chance before we exile him.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
That's not how we roll here
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
LoneStarBall- You Get One Chance.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Dec 14, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
lonestarball: were a bunch of assholes
wasnt that a suggestion for the headline a while back?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think either of these is excellent
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Even with better metrics
you could just watch the damn game and know that’s a dumb comment
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
Try reading what I actually wrote before you write anything
I did not say I dont want Elvis. If I had to choose one over the other for the 2010 Rangers, MY will produce more than Elvis will. I dont really see how thats even a question. Now, Its obviously better if we could have both which is why MY plays third,
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Just stop
seriously. We heard you loud and clear
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Dude.
Dude.
Just…
…dude.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
as always, props
for any Lebowski references. this one is AWESOME.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
x
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
by BigGuns on Dec 14, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wow!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
great
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Please shut up now
Elvis is a much better ss what is it you don’t understand about that?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I agree with that statement completely
You misread my argument….
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Since when does Michael Young suck?
He was by far our best hitter last year.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
He deserved that gold glove, huh?
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
no....
baseball requires hitting too right?
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody said Face sucks
I was pleased by his offensive performance last year, and I look forward to a repeat.
But Elvis’s defensive prowess is much more valuable to the team than Face’s offensive year.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Thats exactly my point
I think MY’s offense is more valuable to our team than Elvis defense. Its just a matter of opinion. I dont see how that point is obvious. Its very debateable.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
That is very debatalbe
considering Young just had his career year with the bat, and Elvis should be an improving SS.
I’d probably say Elvis was more important to the team last year than Young, because what kept us in the running so long was the defense and Elvis was the biggest part of that improvement.
What do voluntary mean?
Fair enough
I think an equally good argument could be made that without MY’s bat this lineup would have been close to the worst in the AL.
I dont see why its so obvious or means I dont know anything about baseball….read what I actually wrote before you think I dont know what I’m talking about.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
If you stop now,
I’m sure everyone will forget in time….Don’t make it worse
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if this is a bit
but some people on here are being complete dicks to this guy, and that’s sort of lame.
I don’t completely understand his thoughts, but comments like “wow, just…wow” don’t add anything to the discussion.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
rec.
wooooo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
you = terd
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
errors lol
oh yea, and BORBON IS A CF
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Pudge isn't much better than anyone in the MLB now
Pudge is pretty much between a league average and a replacement catcher for the last 2 years.
What do voluntary mean?
Then the question becomes...
…whether you want a catcher who wasn’t good last year that is old and declining, or a catcher who wasn’t good last year that is young and improving.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
That's not completely true
Its no guarantee any of our young catchers will improve next season. I hate to say it, but it looks like its a possibility.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
True, but the odds of Tea getting better are better than those of an old, declining catcher getting better
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
half a win last year.
not worth 2 years 6 million. Thats the difference between them. If you perfer other numbers how about 16 points of OBA.
They were both poor players last year. If you are going to keep a poor player you might as well keep the cheaper one with upside.
What do voluntary mean?
He definitely was not worth that contract
Im not arguing we should have signed him. I’m merely arguing that I would rather have Pudge than not have him. I would rather have Byrd than not have him. Our team is worse without those two. thats my only point.
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
If you take all cost factors away
then you can make any statement. And I’m not sure I would bet on Pudge to be better than Teagarden next year. Honestly, they really are pretty much equivalent players last year, just that Pudge got more ABs because he was Pudge Rodriguez.
What do voluntary mean?
well thats what this started as
are the 2010 rangers better than the 2009 rangers. Right now, i dont think thats true
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
If we aren't its because
of Byrd mostly. And I wouldn’t be surprised if 2010 Byrd is less then 2009 Byrd.
Honestly, I think Byrd for Borbon might well end up being a wash over the course of the year.
I just don’t see us as having lost anything irreplacable, and we have added someone that has the potential to be more valuable then everything we lost.
What do voluntary mean?
Hmm...
so are you willing to give Byrd the contract he’s looking for, or the contract Pudge got? If a team really becomes much worse by losing those two “cornerstones”, well it doesn’t really matter because that team is terrible to begin with
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
no
I’m not saying we should have paid the money to either. I’m merely saying that on the field, our team is worse today than it was at the end of the season
by nathanbaum09 on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yet we didn't have Harden last year either...
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
AND the offseason is far, far from over
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yes Byrd
Is the key to this whole ship sinking. Please….
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Are you aware of how bad Millwood was at times?
I’m pretty sure you could get that level from Matt Harrison.
by brettgardner on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Millwood was pretty solid
thru the end of June, sucked dick for 2 months, got a rest and finished strong.
I’d expect 175 IPs with a 4.60ish ERA next year from Millwood.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
So
If Harden pitches through the end of June, there’s pretty much no way that he won’t be a huge improvement over Millwood.
by brettgardner on Dec 14, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
He sucked when they needed him the most
Hollow stats
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Amazing how that's a major issue with Davis in September but he fails to acknowledge that with Millwood
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
That is how Josey rolls
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Not only Davis...
See Blalock, Hank 2009.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Dec 14, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Finshed strong?
That was garbage time.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 14, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Did you even
see my fanpost on this subject? Even if Harden gives the Rangers ONLY 90 IPs this yr, the Rangers have improved.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 14, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Josey Wales doesn't give a shit what others think.
He only cares what he thinks.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
No, I didn't see your fan post
and if you wrote that the Rangers have improved if Harden gives them only 90 IPs your head is stuck up your ass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
do you not understand
millwood had a near league average career in texaas. slightly above it (104 era+ i think?)
not. that. good.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah because we have had so many of those over the years
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
...
yes. we have never had any 100 era+ starting pitcher. we have never won a playoff series. we should quit and give up. blow up TBiA. rangers will always be bad because they never have.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well I think that expecting a bunch of young guys to even put up league average is a bit of a stretch
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's not like were throwing a bunch of mid-level prospects out there.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
i said that league avg pitching isnt that hard to find
not that i expected luis mendoza to put up 100 era+
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
And my point is all this talk about its so easy to replace Millwood with Harrison and Hurley and whoever is a stretch
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
your not replacing millwood with harrrision
your replacing millwood with a combo, in theory, of harden + harrison (btw, harden @ 100 innings @ 120 era+ and harrison @ 100 innings @ his career era+ of 79 = near millwood’s career era+ of 105 in texas)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
This is where consistency matters
You may win an extra game or two replacing Millwood with Harden but when you replace Millwood with Harrison you lose as much if not more. Its a push at best while upgrading the #1 slot.
Only if Harden stays healthy for most if not all of a season does this improve the team which I don’t think you can count on him doing.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
so you would rather have millwood?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
For this team....yes
Individually…give me Harden 8 days a week.
Ideally we would have both Millwood and Harden.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why on Earth would you rather have Millwood on this team?
I dont want to know to answer to be honeset
I gave it plenty during the Harden threads
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Who cares about ERA?
His ERA looked shiny this year, but he really wasn’t good. I expect about 175 IPs next year with about a 4.90 FIP and a 5.20 tRA. The Rangers won’t miss Millwood.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I can see those numbers in Baltimore
If he was in Texas I would think he would put up a 4.10-4.25 ERA in 180-190 innings
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Who cares about ERA?
His ERA looked shiny this year, but he really wasn’t good. I expect about 175 IPs next year with about a 4.90 FIP and a 5.20 tRA. The Rangers won’t miss Millwood.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Last time I checked tRA and FIP didn't go on the scoreboard
Earned runs do which makes ERA somewhat relevant.
Seattle has to replace Bedard and Washburns sub 3 ERA regardless of what their FIPs were. Actual performance sometimes trumps expectant stats
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 14, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay now I'm wondering if this is a bit
This is just too close to Jeff Francoeur’s infamous scoreboard line to be real.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
no its not a bit
I get it. All these stats say Millwood was horrible last year. Yet there is one that says he was pretty decent which most just dismiss. FIP and tRA are expectant stats. They don’t actually tell you what happened. ERA does. ERA tells you how many earned runs scored. FIP tells you how many should have scored. Same as tRA. Until expectant stats start determining who wins and loses ERA is going to hold some water in my eyes. So when we are talking about replacing Millwoods 2009 I don’t care what his FIP and tRA are. Thats not what we have to replace. We have to replace his ERA which I don’t see how Harrison, Hurley, Holland, Feliz, McCarthy, etc can do.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Can't you see how stupid you're being?
They don’t actually tell you what happened
Uh, yeah, they do. They tell you how well he actuallyed pitched, which is more useful than just counting earned runs he was charged with.
ERA tells you how many earned runs scored. FIP tells you how many should have scored. Same as tRA.
Fucking exactly! And when the FIP and tRA tell you a lot more runs should have scored than actually did, it means MORE RUNS ARE GOING TO SCORE IN THE FUTURE.
You know who wasn’t going to replace Kevin Millwood’s 2009 ERA? Kevin Millwood. He can’t rationally be expected to duplicate his 2009 ERA next year, no matter how much you want to masturbate over it. And that’s the whole point that seems to go sailing over your head.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Actually ERA tells you the results of how he pitched
the difference between his ERA and FIP, xFIP and tRA tell you how possible that is to being repeated in the future.
Millwod would never replicate last year numbers. The thing is that who ever you bring in has to replicate those number of earned or unearned runs in IP not Millwoods FIP, xFIP of tRA.
Harden should reduce the variability that the team can replicate last years overall numbers in the amount of runs given up. That does not mean that the staff improved from last year. It means that this coming year should be more likely to replicate teh overall numbers of last year than it would have been with Millwood on the roster.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Well, I don't see how that means you didn't improve the 2010 staff
Since Millwood wasn’t going to replicate is 2009 numbers, replacing him with someone who can help the team replicate last year’s RA numbers would seem to be an improvement to me.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Will the staff be better overall than last year?
Most likely. Not by a huge margin, but they should be just do the age progression.
With Millwood they certainly would have been worse than last year just due to the huge likelihood that he would not have the same luck component as last year. That does not mean that the staff output is actually “better” that last years. All it means is that the projected output has much less variability..
All the addition of Harden does is give you a much better chance of getting the same overall output that Millwood provided last year. You cannot erase Millwood performance from last year. It was actually a pretty nice season, even if it was all smoke and mirrors. Harden makes it much more likely that the team as a whole can provide the same amount of run prevention that a staff with Millwood provided last year.
Adding Harden to the staff now makes it more likely that the team will be able to replicate last years results, not make it more likely they will improve upon them.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Funny
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Better than any of the Wang jokes
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
that's pretty good.
The little blue pill….
Rich “the Blue Pill” Harden…
GIF’s from hell
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Just because I don't take advances stats as gospel doesn't mean im being stupid
Uh, yeah, they do
Uh, no they don’t. Tell me hwo many runs did Millwood allow last year per 9 innings? His FIP or his ERA? Not how many he should have allowed but how many he actually did allow.
Could Millwood duplicate 2009….not likely. But on the field and on the scoreboard we don’t have to replace his FIP or tRA. We have to replace his ERA.
I fully understand all these advanced stats you throw around but I don’t strictly go off of them. When you are talking about replacing someones performance from the previous year you don’t have to replace what they should have done you have to replace what they actually did. Thats the point you fail to realize. Harden should be about equal if not slightly better than Millwood in actual performance. he is going to be tons better in FIP and tRA and such. But my point is once Harden goes down and you have to replace him with harrison or Hurley or whoever they aren’t going to give you what he did on the field. they aren’t going to give you what Millwood gave you on the field. The maybe should give you it but until they translate that should to actually do then its a loss.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I think you have a point
…but Millwood wasn’t going to replace himself, just as you said. In fact after watching his second half he could very easily go from a league-average type guy to just a plain old bad pitcher. He looked awful by the end of the year.
I wish they had someone who was a sure bet to pitch a bunch of average innings or a little better, but they’re broke. What can you do? Maybe the kid’s will come through. If they do the Rangers got a lot better. If they don’t, they’re in for a serious regression.
by Black Francis on Dec 15, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with everything in this post...
but as Black Francis said, Millwood wasn’t going to do what Millwood did this year either.
I really don’t think that Hurley, Harrison, Nippert, et al. would be much worse than what Millwood would give you in 2010 IF Harden does get hurt.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's not exactly the drum you've been previously pounding
But whatever.
I still think you’re vastly underestimating the value in 140 Rich Harden innings + 60 or so innings from Harrison or whomever as opposed to Millwood.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Meh
Millwood’s numbers last year were those of a 4th starter. I’m pretty confident that a combination of Rich Harden, more innings from Tommy Hunter and others can easily make us forget Millwood.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
millwood= ~ league average pitching @ texas
not THAT hard to find
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
@LookoutLanding Matsui projects as a 1-1.5 win DH. Big ol’ meh
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
1 yr reported at 6.5M. That's a pretty damn good deal for Angles if so
With that price, there should be alot more players that will be able to be had for less.
I would love to go get Atkins and Thome, but that is impossible. GOD, I want to shout out all my frustration about our lack of even FREAKIN’ pennies. F#@$ U TOM HICKS!!!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Sets Guerrero at about
the same price then doesn’t it?
A little disappointing but not deadly
What do voluntary mean?
All the more reason
to be happy Texas keeps finding more guys with big fastballs.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
what really sucks
is that I’m sure we could have trumped what the Mariners offered in trade, but we probably weren’t able to take on one year of a reasonably priced #2 SP.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
The other question is
do we want to give up what it would take to get one year of a reasonably priced #2 pitcher?
I like Lee. Think he would be a pretty good fit in the park here, but don’t think I would want to give up one of the big three and probably 2 of the next 7 to get him for one year. And I bet we see something pretty equal.
What do voluntary mean?
Isn't Tuesday the day that
the sale of the Rangers is supposed to be announced?
See what I mean about the Rangers needing to model themselves after the Phillies?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
I thought that's the deadline for Hicks to choose
But Hicks is trying to lengthen this out so he probably won’t decide until midnight, and us not know til the morning of Wednesday.
The time to trade for him would have been at the deadline last season
Even if they had the money to get Lee, I’d rather keep the trade ammo for non-pitching needs and just make a move for Sheets.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
so
the M’s gave up meh prospects for Lee?
Great ,great trade for the M’s.
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Did we hear the prospects yet?
What do voluntary mean?
All but Ackley are meh
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
saunders is quite good
your way underrating him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
and triunfel is a ? mark
trunfel/saunders/ackley/aumont isnt a bad top 4 but after that…yea dropoff
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Saunders isn’t really a “prospect” anymore though right?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
saunders
129 PA in seattle last year
.310 ba, .378 obp, .544 slg, 13 hr, 15 2b in 64 games at AAA aint bad
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
and, Ruben Amaro Jr....uhm
what the hell are you doing??
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Same idiot that signed Ibanez last year
it’s not new
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I know
don’t get it
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
top 2?
uhh i havent read anythign about brown and drabek
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
@d_a_cameron Cliff Lee, 2008-2009: +13.8 wins. Only players with higher WAR: Pujols, Utley, Hanley, Mauer, Halladay, Lincecum, Greinke. Lee = good.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Yes, he was good
And Seattle’s defense+ballpark will help make sure that Lee will remain pretty good, but I don’t think we’re seeing Lee 6-7 season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Phillies
Why are they trading Lee and prospects to get Halladay? Is he really that much of an upgrade over what Lee gave them last year?
Seems like the sensible thing to do would have been to acquire Halladay without giving up Lee, especially if they’re already including their top prospect in the trade, as has been rumored.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
Maybe they couldn't sign Lee long-term (who hits free agency next year)
but could get Halladay to sign an extension?
Jeeez, imagine if Lee goes to the MF Yankees in 2011?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Lee reportedly wants 23M per
and if he doesn’t get it is going to hit FA.
This is pretty much a straight rental
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Lee just isn't a 23 million dollar pitcher.
Though someone might have paid for it after the playoffs this year if he was a FA.
What do voluntary mean?
after how wll he did in the playoofs
+ sea park and defense lol who knows what can happen!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Good luck with all that.
Good to see the Mariners give away prospects for another player who won’t help them reach the postseason and will leave after a year.
I think the problem is Lee won'
What do voluntary mean?
Halos Heaven
labeling John Lackey as “Benedict Arnold” for signing with the Red Sox…
Really? Wow that fanbase is just.. ugh.
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
Hailing the Matsui signing because he can sell billboards
Yeah, I never visit that site for a reason.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Have you seen what people in LSB
regularly say about Michael Young?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Did he deserve a GG?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Saw a rumor...
The Angels discussing a deal to send Juan Rivera to Atlanta for Derek Lowe…
by N41D on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
+1
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
no more frosted tips?
noooooooooooooooo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
@injuryexpert RT @Cushing_MLB: Rosenthal reports that when Sox sign Lackey, they will look to trade Buchholz to Pads for Gonzalez: http://bit.ly/6IvdDC
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I guess they are
pissed the Yankees won the WS last yr.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 14, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Haha, Dozer?
You and AJM have fun on that wagon.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Rizzo?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Naw
they have Blanks
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Buc, West and Stolmy Pimentel
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
and Dustin Richardson bullpen type
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
pimentel is a great pickup for someone
big time rbeakout guy for me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, oh.
That means Youk goes to 3B but that probably doesn’t happen if the Rangers don’t take Lowell off their hands.
Get out of this deal, asap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If its not the Rangers it will be someone
We aren’t their only hope
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If they are willing to pay all but $3 million of his contract...
… is it that much further to DFA/DL him (based on his health)? In other words, I don’t see the remaining money being that much of an impediment to the Red Sox making a move.
Very possible.
Why the F would we give them the potential major league career of Max Ramirez instead of waiting for a less expensive option?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Can't evaluate Max yet, he hasn't contributed meaningfully in The Show
Remember? That’s what you told us.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
That's what he told us
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
True
I dont think they had the prospects to land him on just a two team deal though.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 14, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
@d_a_cameron For everyone asking, I know what you know, essentially. Aumont and Gillies rumored in the deal, Morrow likely as well. Nothing official.
Not a lot to give up.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Morrow, Aumont and Gillies
isn’t a lot to give up for one year of Cliff Lee? I would be pissed if we did that, I think…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
They will also get
2 picks or could trade Lee is out
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
if out*
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
This ain't the NFL.
The ETA of those picks will be 2015.
So?
Gillies had a huge BABIP season in the Cal and Aumont can’t start
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
present value has to be factored in
who cares about guys with a 20% chance of making it to the majors (and a slimmer chance of being really good) five years from now?
Yeah
who cares about Tommy Hunter and Julio Borbon. lol
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
and while we're at it...
Matt Purke
Blake Beavan
John Mayberry
Thomas Diamond
Drew Meyer
Scott Heard
lol.
lol
so dumb
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
actually i screwed that up
gotta focus on supplemental picks (strengthens my argument):
COLBY LEWIS
DAVID MEAD
TYRELL GODWIN
CHAD HAWKINS
ERIC HURLEY
ok, now im done :)
gillies is a solid guy though
all the way around
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
picks have gone from
undervalued to overvalued in a very short time.
they will be lucky if either of those two picks can hold the jock of any of the three guys they just gave up….
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
yeah, the prospect traded are guys you've seen as professionals
picks flame out all the time. give that, and the time it takes picks to reach the majors, they have very little value to me.
sure
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying the M's got ripped off here
That’s the cost of buying a perceived TORP on the open market. I’m just glad we stayed away from this one.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, this was the exact kind of trade LSB hasn't been wanting to make.
Of course, our top prospects are a fuckload better than the M’s top prospects, but still.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
It'd be nice if it was Saunders/Morrow/Aumont
+ no extension
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by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 14, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
@d_a_cameron Stark reports Halladay extension is 3/60. Way to leave $100 million on the table, Doc.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Really?
thats it? If I was doc their better be at least another two years worth of options at least.
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Yep
According to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark, right-hander Roy Halladay is close to agreement on a three-year, $60 million extension with the Phillies.
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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
GOOD! stay over there in the ugly stepsister league...Roy
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
20 million a year isn't bad
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yeah
Have to see what the options are on it
I doubt he could have gotten 8/160. That would have him signed through age 41. 3/60 signs him through age 35 and a couple option years should be just right.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He could have got more
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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Doubtful
At least the annual salary. he’s not young enough to get a CC deal and he’s getting this guaranteed now. He’s one injury away from seeing that turn from 20 million/year to a 1 year incentive laden deal. Given some good options and incentives in this deal, I can see how it makes more sense than waiting a year..
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So that would be 4/$75.75 total, right?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
@mlbtraderumors Lots from Stark – Halladay extension would be only 3/60 plus poss. vesting options, and Travis D’Arnaud is in deal. http://bit.ly/8zdodk
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Well, I know this for certain.
The West is going to be fun to watch next year.
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How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
x
ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark has heard from sources that catching prospect Travis D’Arnaud is also headed to Toronto in Monday’s three-team blockbuster.
Here’s what we’ve learned so far: The Phillies will get Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays and will hand him a three-year, $60 million contract extension; The Blue Jays, in turn, will get D’Arnaud and outfielder Michael Taylor from the Phillies, and pitching prospect Phillippe Aumont from the Mariners; Seattle will get Cliff Lee from the Phils. This thing might not get sorted out until Tuesday or Wednesday, but we’ll be sure to keep up with the details as they stream in. Stay tuned
Is he any good?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I'm just going to leave this here so you can put a smile on your face =)
Neftali Feliz – Be Happy from Drew Sheppard on Vimeo.
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Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Yeah, so much for getting Dice K money
ESPN.com, citing “several sources,” is reporting that Boston has an offer on the table for Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman worth $15.5 million.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Cuban Baseballists
Always a good investment.
by Black Francis on Dec 14, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
So are the Red Sox positioning themselves
to now deal Beckett (free agent after 2010)?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Rumors have said that they're interested in retaining him for next year.
And are currently talking to him and his agent. But with the way rumors are flying around today, I have a hard time believing any of them.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
they are putting themselves in a position to do so if need be
as any team SHOULD do
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
would be more than that
add some minors guys
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but at the time they got the Tigers top two prospects
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
i dont thinka nyone saw andrew miller stay the same pitcher for 2 more yrs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 14, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
per ESPN
According to a source who spoke with two teams involved in the trade, Toronto would get highly regarded Mariners pitching prospect Phillippe Aumont, Phillies catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud and another Phillies prospect in exchange for Halladay. Indications are that the Phillies have balked at Toronto’s repeated requests for outfielder Domonic Brown, and the Phillies are offering highly touted outfielder Michael Taylor instead.
Seattle would send two additional prospects to Philadelphia in exchange for Lee, who is a year away from free agency
so aumont, saunders, gillis/ramirez?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
astros news
The Astros have inked Dominican pitching prospect Edgar Ferreira, reports Brian McTaggart of MLB.com.
GM Ed Wade confirmed the signing to McTaggart, which is “rumored” to have a signing bonus of $350K. The 17-year-old has a fastball that sits in the low-90s but can touch 94 on occasion.
all wade heard was “can touch 94” and his first thought was: we HAVE to sign this guy. he would fit in our bullpen" and offered 4 mil/year over 3 years, but was overruled by the local scout
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Mariners give up Aumont/Morrow and Saunders
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
I see the way it is....
Tornoto ask for the Rangers to give their first born son yet they will take 2nd tier prospects now….
its like dealing with my fucking fantasy football team…..I hope a meter hits the skydome.
by death of the cool on Dec 14, 2009 6:05 PM CST reply actions
how would a meter hit the skydome???
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This made me laugh
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In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Hah
The Angels now appear to be among the favorites to acquire Derek Lowe. They could offer outfielder Juan Rivera, who is the type of right-handed run producer that Atlanta is seeking.
Please bring Lowe to the AL West, and further weaken LAaAAAA.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
That's some sweet chin music
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 14, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Wish we could swing Rivera into a DH role.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Dec 14, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
This is a much better deal...
for the M’s than Bedard was, but I’m not sure if I’m against it or not. Lee has been very up and down in his career. He can be great or could have another year like the ‘07 season. Plus this is strickly a one year rental. Lee won’t sign an extension there.
Hopefully the M’s had to include both Morrow and Aumont.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
still not too scared about the M's
As good as Lee is, he’s been absolutely shelled at RBIA and I don’t see Seattle being able to keep both him and King Felix past this year. Plus, they’re going to be banking on Ian Snell, Rowland-Smith, and French to cover up the 3-5 spots and their offense still isnt that good.
The Angels are what they are. A very old team whos starting rotation has been exposed with Lackey gone. Bye Bye Halos
If you ask me, from 2011 on, the team we’re going to need to worry about is the A’s. If Beane can keep that team together, they have the talent to match up with us for years.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
If the Phillies
are giving up Lee and a top prospect or two, I just really don’t understand this deal for them. If it’s Blanton and a prospect I see it a little more.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
For them...
it was all about locking up a guy like Halladay or Lee long-term. Lee wouldn’t workout a contract extension and Halladay would. So there you go.
They’re both good, but I’d definitely give the edge to Halladay. It would be pretty nice to know that you have that guy at the head of your rotation for the next 4 years. I can see where it makes sense for them.
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