A flurry of maybe-deals
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 14, 2009 6:58 PM CST
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Once again, I spend the day in court, and here was activity, or at least news out there...
There is the three-way deal between Seattle, Toronto and Philly that is supposedly "close," where Cliff Lee will be going to Seattle and Roy Halladay will be going to Philadelphia.
Assuming this happens, that says a lot about what Seattle thinks about the A.L. West in 2010. The M's see an Angels team that is losing players and appears vulnerable (although we've said that for a few years now), and a Ranger team that is basically treading water with its ownership situation in flux. Seattle sees this as a winnable division in 2010, and is making moves that indicate that it considers itself the real challenger to Anaheim in 2010, not Texas.
Jayson Stark is reporting that the Red Sox have reached a tentative agreement with John Lackey for a deal worth a little more than $82.5 million over 5 years. And the BoSox supposedly are also working towards a two year deal with Mike Cameron.
Everyone here knows how I feel about Cameron. I'm not a big Lackey guy -- he was great a few years ago, but is showing signs of wear the last couple of seasons -- and this appears to be overpaying.
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There's also the rumored Juan Rivera for Derek Lowe swap
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
This blows dick hole.
It really hurts to see these teams, especially the Mariners, making these types of moves while we are in this bind with the ownership cluster fuck.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
oh go fuck yourselves
whiny bastards. We did what we could, and it’s a lot better than other teams could do. Truth is even if we had the money we probably wouldn’t have got these guys anyways.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
We did what we could
I think that was his point.
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Yes, but he made it seem like what we did was bad.
I think we did fairly well, and would like to look forward to next year, and not whine all fucking day about ownership.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Why such hostility?
I didn’t say that what we did wasn’t good. I think what we have done with such a short leash was extraordinary! And what makes you think we couldn’t get players like this if we did have money? Just curious.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
Because we never have before.
This off season was one of our bests, and we did it without any money. The hostility was more towards everyone who constantly whines about ownership, it gets old.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Well the ownership situation is kind of a big deal. So I doubt people quit whining about it.
And i can understand where you come from, but looking forward to next year would be a lot more fun, even more than it is now, if this team had a few more quality players from the FA pool or through trades.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
Yup
It would be nice if we could actually sign Nick Johnson, for example.
THEN it would be a great offseason.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Among others, yes.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
Until he gets injured in ST
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
yep
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
It'd also be nice if santa would bring me a million dollars for christmas.
But Santa isn’t real, and to be honest I don’t think there is such as a million dollars either.
Just be happy with what we have Tom Hicks will be gone soon enough. Every single day half the comments are whiny about ownership. Nothing is going to change right now whether you’re cussing out Tom Hicks on a message board, or not.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
This change in ownership could dictate the course of the team for the next decade.
JD pulled a nice series of maneuvers in acquiring Harden, but the fact is he still had to find his way around the white elephant in the room to do it. And that white elephant is the ownership situation. It’s a major factor in what we’re doing and not doing right now, and the way it’s been dragged out is indeed costing this team during it’s most important offseason since the late 90’s.
Now, I’m not trying to attack you here, but an argument can be made that you’re in fact the one who needs to STFU and stop wining, because this issue is such that people aren’t going to stop discussing this issue until after it’s resolved (and if Gilbert wins, maybe not ever). If you don’t like it, you’re better off ignoring it, just like all the Mavs/cowboys/soccer/Josey talk on LSB.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
There is a difference between discussing it
and whiny about it. I don’t have a problem with talking about who we want to be the new owner to be, but constantly seeing “TOM HICKS SCREWED US UP” “gee golly we’ll never win now, thanks to tom hicks” “this fucking sucks balls man, it sucks balls”
it’s old, and stupid.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Part of me would tend to agree with you
But this is LSB man. We don’t stop discussing old and stupid stuff until it’s been rammed all the way into the earth’s core.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
This made me laugh
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Thank you!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
You asshole...
Santa isn’t real?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Speaking of which...
Does Galloway maybe leak some news this evening? Or will he still be preoccupied writing about the Cowboys?
Wasn't this the same exact thing said after the Bedard trade?
Seattle sees this as a winnable division in 2010, and is making moves that indicate that it considers itself the real challenger to Anaheim in 2010, not Texas.
And then with the Athletics after Holliday?
This division is ours next year.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Before the Bedard trade it was hilarious, though.
I don’t lean towards this being enough to make them favorites, but it’s more likely this time, and it’s a better trade.
I'm hearing
It’s Blanton, not Lee, to Seattle, and that Blanton has reported to a physical. Any verification about this? There is a lot of back and forth as to who is in the deal.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Dec 14, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions
Where are you hearing this?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Two different reports posted on the Newberg forum
Citing mlbtraderumors
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Dec 14, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like it...
7:04pm: Drabek and “other top [Phillies] prospects” will be involved in the deal, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (via Twitter). According to Salisbury, Brown will remain with the club.
6:55pm: J.A. Happ and Joe Blanton took physicals and could be a part of the deal, writes Rob Maaddi of the Associated Press. Domonic Brown also took a physical today, who is said to be coveted by the Jays.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
So the Phillies end up with Lee and Halladay?
Umm…..
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 14, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Don't worry little one, all is well
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
That'd be one heluva scary team.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, now this would make me extremely happy.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Or just about anyone not named Darren Oliver
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You may be kidding...
..but you’re definitely correct.
(Also kidding, don’t ban me =/) heh
Let's pray Josey post first just one time
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
well i'm new so i'll use that as an excuse
does seem like a newberg report forum rule, though.
Don't cross Jamey he will off you just
Like he did fin.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I like Jamey
the guys who post on his forum are way too uptight/defensive, however. takes the fun out of discussion.
If you do it on Camden Chat, they claim they'll ban you
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I got banned on a Redskins mb for writing "How bout them Cowboys!"
Lol
by Too Legit To quit on Dec 14, 2009 8:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's not so bad
If you had written, “I love Dan Snyder” they wouldn’t have banned you, they would have LYNCHED you.
Assuming the Lowell trade falls through...
has anyone heard a number related to how much the team feels like it can still spend? Didn’t EG report something like $5M?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
With Matsui going to the Angels
I wonder what the market currently looks like for Dye. Most teams, like the Braves and Cubs, are looking for a CF type, so now that Cameron is going to the Red Sox, our boy Marlon Byrd is probably getting lots of calls.
Looking at Dye’s numbers, I really think he makes a ton of sense for this team. I know JD places a lot of value on roster flexibility, but we sure could use a bat like Dye’s in the middle of the lineup.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Dye sucks
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Declining power
low walks, much older than someone like Vlad with lesser upside.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I'm so with you on Vlad
He put together stretches last year, after getting fully healthy, where he dominated.
before the ASB, thru almost 300 ABs
he slugged 567 and posted a 942 OPS. And he kills LH pitching at a rate that Lowell can only dream about.
But you’re right, our offense couldn’t use a bat like that.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
What did he do after the ASB?
Yeah
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
in 2008
he posted an 885 OPS. I would take the combined sample size of 08 and 2/3 or 09 as more reflective of his abilities than the latter third of 09.
We should look at his late season fade as a blessing because that’s the only reason we may be able to afford him…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Or we could say that a 35 year old slugger is starting to regress
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
so are you in the Vlad camp
or do you have a better name for us that we can feasibly add at 6.5M or less?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Glaus
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Looks like mlbtr has this today
Free agent Troy Glaus prefers a full-time infield corner job over a DH role, and has made his medical records available to all 30 teams reports ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.
which doesn’t bode well for us, but who would be willing to guarantee him a full time corner gig?
He's not getting that
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I don't know
i mean who is the mariners 3b if beltre leaves? I’m sure there are some possibilities out there.
the preceding post was a great success.
oh, figgins.
woops.
well, someone surely has terrible options.
the preceding post was a great success.
Not getting that
I agree, I think that’s just an initial negotiating stance.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I would have said Astros
but Ed Wade blew his wad on Feliz and Lyons.
Angels?
Backup to Wood?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think he would be ideal
and it shouldn’t cost much
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
You know this "killing LHPing" factor
Has become much-overrated on LSB of late.
Killing LHP’s doesn’t really make up for a guy actually sucking. Not when it’s someone like Dye, who is ancient and would never, ever be platooned by the Gutmaster 3000.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
This "Wash won't use him right so he would suck to acquire" bit is getting retarded
If thats your argument fine but learn to seperate how acquiring the player would help from how the player would be used
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Coming from you, I find this hilarious
This “Wash won’t use him right so he would suck to acquire” bit is getting retarded
Mister “Wash won’t use Nelson Cruz right, so we should trade him”.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
That wasn't my view
My view was that if Cruz was going to be relegated to DH then we should trade him. Get it straight little boy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Don't try to mince words dude
You said WASH would relegate him to DH. I can probably go back and find the posts if you’d like.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I know what I said
I said since Wash wanted to move Hamilton to RF and hadn’t mentioned what he was doing with Cruz I assumed Cruz would be relegated to DH. Now that they have come out and said Hamilton will play LF and Cruz is staying in RF I haven’t mentioned trading Cruz again.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yes, because you where wrong
However, as you just admitted, your argument was that Wash would move Cruz to DH. In other words, Wash wasn’t going to use him correctly, so this decreased his value.
Case in point:
The Rangers brass has come out and said Hamilton is moving to RF
That was Cruz’s spot last year. They have not said anything about where Cruz will play. If he was going to be the everyday LF I would think they would say something about it. And given how the manager feels about Cruz’s defense I don’t think its a big stretch to see him being relegated to DH
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 23, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t fucking attack me for using a POV your yourself perpetuated in the past, asshole.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Read the whole comment jackass
Not just the bolded part. Yeah the bolded part makes it sound like Wash won’t use him right but unless you are playing with 2 RFers that comment has logic.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Okay
What I’m reading is you saying that Cruz will move to DH because the Ranger FO said they’d like to move Hamilton to RF and Cruz’s manager doesn’t like him.
That was your two plus two.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
My two plus two
Was the Rangers FO (which turned out to be Washington) had said they wanted Hamilton to play RF which is where Nelly played. Nowhere was it mentioned where Nelly would play so I assumed given the comments made by the manager, right or wrong, that they would move him to DH.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Oh, stop trying to backpedal
Just stop attacking me for views you’ve spent time perpetuating yourself.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
How am I backpedaling?
Ive been pretty damn consistent with that viewpoint for awhile until they came out with their 2010 plan of Hamilton in LF
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
putting Cruz and Hamilton at the COF spots
was such an obvious plan that nobody had to be told about it, except you.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Dude
You don’t walk into the middle of the ring during Ali-Frazier.
Get the F out!!
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would actually
say that Tricer is the haymaker. He’s the dude who runs in from the back and hits one of the competitors with a steel cheer just as we go to commercial.
(and let’s be serious Esteban Grande vs. LSJ isn’t Ali-Frazier, it’s like an undercard match on Monday Night Raw).
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
oh yeh this is where..
I got up and got the popcorn going. Jon Boy is usually pretty good about keeping it together but I knew this was about to get really dicey.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
**separate**
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
how can you say "low walks"
but then throw out a name like Vlad, or are you being ironic?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
wow
you’ve got me there…I didn’t know it was that high. but he did post an abysmal walk rate last year, which is a strange trend that goes against the norm for older players.
I worry about his real age, as well. That being said, if the team signed Vlad instead of Dye, I could certainly live with that.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Vlads age was adjusted to a year older a couple years ago
When he accidently gave the real age in an interview. I guess it could still be a lie, but I doubt its too much older. Its not his hard to watch running is a sign of being 40.
Anyway, he probably won’t even hit the .380 obp range but hes just too reliable average wise to really kill you with his obp.
the preceding post was a great success.
didn't mean to hit enter yet..
that said I’ve pretty much given up on him and the Rangers. He was available when they had decided on Lowell..
I still think he will get more than the 1/5 AJM and some others think he will, probably more than the rangers can give. And he doesn’t have the corners defensive flexibility the rangers seem to want.
the preceding post was a great success.
I'm a little surprised
the Rangers haven’t found a way to get creative on a deal for a guy like Vlad or Glaus. A one year deal with escalating incentives that could vest into a second year if certain AB thresholds are met makes a lot of sense.
If our payroll could even raise by 10M in 2011, we could backload a two year deal and that would be enough to get at least one of these DH types looking for a two year deal…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I wonder how many of those deals the Rangers are allowed.
Harden’s went through, obviously, but I do wonder if Selig would call a halt to more attempts at multi-year deals…?
I would hope as soon as new ownership is settled
MLB will withdraw for whatever oversight they have particular to the Rangers. Can’t happen soon enough.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Dec 15, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
+1
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
We started the offseason with $3-5M
We netted $1.5M in the Millwood deal, so I would assume $4.5-6.5
We didn't net 1.5 million
Thats what Ray gets in arbitration
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I've heard Ray will get less than or equal to 1M, definitely never seen 1.5M for Ray
6.5 base for Harden + 1 for Ray = 7.5, 9 – 7.5 = 1.5, real math
Ray made 850 K last year
he won’t get 1.5 this year.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Some of us counted the 1 million buyout into Hardens salary also
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
you can't count that
until next year…when we’ll be flush with money. (fingers crossed)
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I don't think
we’ll ever be flush with money again.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Only until we sign Mauer
While we’re trotting out recent LSB memes
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
I can't wait
That’s going to be such an awesome moment when I get the Newberg flash reporting Mauer has agreed to a deal.
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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 14, 2009 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Every night I go to bed dreaming of this.
It’s my happy thought…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Well we were going to pay someone for his roster spot...
Maybe not 1-1.5 mkillion, but a few hundred K anyway.
the preceding post was a great success.
Also
at this point, I’m pretty sure about 80% of Philly and Seattle’s coveted prospects have been linked to this deal by various reports, blogs, and tweets. Is there a single player besides Halladay that is actually known to be in the deal?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Why?
I can’t make heads or tails of what I’m reading and hearing. Have the Blanton-rather-than-Lee rumors been debunked?
I dont know, who knows
It just made so much sense in the beginning and because Rosenthal predicted a Lee-Halladay-Mariners trade last week
It did/does make sense, depending on the prospects involved.
But until those settle out… hard to say who’s going where, besides Halladay.
Also, it makes me a bit happier to think the Mariners would wind up with Blanton rather than Lee.
I definitely don't think Lee and Drabek will be involved
And the latest rumor sounded pretty certain about Drabek, so I guess Lee is staying, which is just filthy for Philly
Fuck the NL East
I’m actually in favor of the trade if Philly ends up with Lee and Halladay just so I can see Mets fans shit their pants.
I believe Mets fans have been perpetually in daipers since 2007
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Does this really make Seattle better?
As was pointed out in other threads Seattle has to replace 133 innings of 2.64 ERA Washburn gave them last year and 83 innings of 2.83 ERA Bedard gave them.
I think at most this merely makes them as good as last year and most likely they are worse although still pretty dang good
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Shhhh don't let Josey hear you say that
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Assuming of courseq
that NL Cliff Lee = AL Cliff Lee.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
no NL pitcher equals their own AL equivalent
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
well AL Cliff Lee was pretty good too
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
but he wasn't sub 3 ERA good.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
in 08 he was
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ladee da
and he wasn’t in any other point of his career.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
OK
Well he was 3.14 in the AL last year so he was pretty close
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah...
but look at what he did in ’07.
I like Cliff Lee. I think he’s a pretty good pitcher. However I don’t think he’s a sure thing ace either.
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I've always felt he was a good 2/3 but not a TORP
As he has aged, he has become more crafty. ;)
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Safeco should help minimize the NL/AL thing, I would expect
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Maybe
the Seattle OF is really good, but from a straight up production standpoint, I’m not sure how good their rotation is vs. last year. Also, They have RRS, Ian Snell and Doug Fister as their 3-5. That’s a decent bunch, but I’m not sure if it’s Felix-Bedard-Washburn 2009 good.
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I saw talk
that Washburn might end up re-signing with Seattle too, since he’s from the northwest.
not to nikpick
but Wash is from Wisconsin, not the NW. If he signs again w/Seattle it won’t be because he’s from there.
you're right
don’t know where I thought I saw that…
If I where Washburn, I'd disown my home town for a chance to play in Safeco with Gutierrez behind me again.
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Yeah, knowing washburn isn't that good I kind of dismissed the loss
But they still got the production, good observation.
Still though, I want them to be as bad as possible =)
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But they still can't replace that 203 or so innings of 3.85
Even if they sign/trade for 8 guys who go 150/3.25.
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Turns out the deal is getting better for the Blow Jays
7:51pm: Elliot says (via Twitter) that Drabek is in the deal, but Aumont is not.
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In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Is the difference between Lee and Halladay worth giving up Drabek?
No.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Ruben Amaro
way overrated by a lot of folks.
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
If Halladay is willing to sign an extension this week and Lee is intent on FA?
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Exactly.
That’s what is being reported and that’s a huge difference for Philly, imo.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
What about the years Drabek is under control?
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
well thats just the standard prospect vs proven vet thing..
Can you say 3 years of halladay + an improvement over lee in 2009 isn’t worth drabek and whatever else they gave up?
They are in a position to go to the world series again the next couple years, having halladay is huge.
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Then they should have just given up Drabek last year
and got Doc instead of Lee.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I think the new GM has a lot to do with it this time around.
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by DerekSTheRed on Dec 14, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
That would make sense
I’m under the assumption that Lee to Seattle is still in play
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
No, that's why I don't believe the Drabek rumor
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I think Drabek stays and Lee goes to Sea like originally reported
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I made happy time with Drabek and he told me he hasn't heard anything.
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I obviously missed something
Because I still don’t know how this meme came about or exactly what it is.
Can someone enlighten?
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Well, I boned that up for you
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I just wanted to compare the guy to Solomon Grundy. I actually like the meme, personally.
James Mason
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
I b'lieve there was a fella named James Mason
who started off all his posts with ‘James Mason’.
Kinda a Team America-Matt Damon/Solomon Grundy-type deal
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Ok, I'm still gonna go back and look it up
Thanks guys.
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The Phillies’ long pursuit of Roy Halladay is almost over – at a steep price that includes postseason hero Cliff Lee and top pitching prospect Kyle Drabek.
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Infatuated with Halladay
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
seems like it would be better
to have just put Drabek into the deal in the summer for them and not have messed around with Lee at all.
What do voluntary mean?
I'm still skeptical
that any of these reports are accurate ~ but if Amaro, Jr. includes both Drabek and Lee in this deal, after the negotiations during the season, then I guess he’s even more of a train wreck than I’d heard.
Sounds that way
It just really doesn’t make sense. I can see why the Jays are doing it. I can see why everyone is doing it, the timing and costs are just seemingly way out of whack for the Phillies.
Not that I really care one way or the other honestly.
What do voluntary mean?
how can you second guess that trade
when Lee dominated for the Phillies down the stretch?
You would think, right?
That’s why I’m skeptical of everything that’s been reported; until all the moving pieces settle down, it seems impossible to figure out which (if any) big names besides Halladay would be involved…
Lot of variables with young pitchers, nothing is guaranteed
Phillies are trying to capitalize while their window is open.
Mike Cameron
Marlon to Chicago?
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
well thats not really officially
but im sure it will happen. meh.
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And now we know
we never had a chance
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by PM Productions on Dec 14, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
well he made 10 mil last year and had his standard year
don’t know why he wouldn’t get something decent.
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Lets hope Marlon to Chicago
And I bet the Rangers deal with Sox is now definetly going through… Red Sox will kick back more salary and a throw in…
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by PM Productions on Dec 14, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Besides getting a great pitcher in Lee for a year, what does this do for Sea?
If i remember correctly, starting pitching wasn’t their problem last year. They couldn’t score runs, right? I know Figgins is a big improvement. Just seems like an “All their eggs in one basket” scenario.
Figgins...
isn’t even much of an upgrade over Beltre, honestly.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 14, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree. So does Fangraphs, apparently...
Chone Figgins last year: 6.1 WAR.
Adrian Beltre last year: 2.4 WAR.
I don’t think the gap is as big as that (WAR is hardly the perfect stat), but I’d much rather have Figgins than Beltre, especially in Seattle where Beltre seemed to hate to hit.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
The difference is
measuring Figgins’s career year vs Beltre’s just about worst year.
What do voluntary mean?
I suppose you could say it's kind of amazing he could put up a 2 WAR season
with an exploded teste
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yeh he went from wearing no cup to wearing two..
just in case the first one broke. Funny how looking down and seeing your nuts looking like scrambled eggs will change your ways.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
I'd probably rather have Figgins too as much as saying that makes vomiting start to happen...
but considering the money, age, and everything, over their careers, not just last year, I’d say it isn’t much of an upgrade if it is one at all.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 14, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
I prefer Figgins..
his OBP has been around .380 the last 3 years, Beltre closer to .320…he steals a lot of bases and makes things happen.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
Yah, his game fits so much better in safeco, imo.
Seattle might be scary if they can find a way to get some actual power hitters somehow.
Seems like they’d be such a natural fit for Matsui, but I haven’t heard a peep about it so I guess not.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
they'll find someone...they're on a mission for 2010..I bet it's Matsui
They’re not exactly getting squeaking by on financial fumes like some team.
Soooo sorry i.Orange!
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
There's a fanshot out on the frontpage that has a link to a story saying Matsui has signed with the Angels.
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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
oh shit, nevermind, they get everything
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
Yeah, 1 year/6.5
Pretty good pickup for them.
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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
yeh I missed that...however I did get to see ..
the Baseball Jesus/Big Steve smackdown, it was quite entertaining.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
Yeah, me and Large Stevenson have been at it on and off for awhile now
I wasn’t quite certain why some folks labeled him a nut sometime earlier this year, but I guess I done went a found out.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
yes it was pretty EPIC, I had the cyber taser ready just in case
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
x
BenBadler Michael Taylor is a premium prospect. Phillippe Aumont? Let’s settle down, folks. He’s a decent relief prospect
FrankiePiliere -Anyone else getting fried by these Halladay rumors? Can we just wait and see which players are involved…it’s tiring me out lol
No
9:15pm: After going through several incarnations over the last 48 hours, the latest version of the deal has outfielder Michael Taylor, catching prospect Travis D’Arnaud, and a pitcher – either J.A. Happ or Kyle Drabek – going to Toronto, writes Stark in his latest update.
Happ and Drabek hardly seem interchangable.
What do voluntary mean?
How is this even possible?
9:25pm: The Phillies would only recieve prospects from the M’s and no Philly prospects would be shipped to Toronto, sources tell Todd Zolecki of MLB.com (via Twitter).
I'm getting tired head
This deal will fall apart
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Drabek, Taylor to Toronto
Aumont and someone else to Phili?
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
That doesn't make any sense
If all the prospects are from the M’s, why don’t the M’s just use their prospects to get Halladay?
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by DerekSTheRed on Dec 14, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
He's a douche
Wants out but will only go to 4 teams.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I don't see how that makes him douchey.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
exactly he's Roy Halladay he can go wherever the hell he wants...
why should he go somewhere he might not be happy? Omar Vizquel wanted to live in Chicago because he feels it’s more cosmopolitan, is he a douche too? I can’t really blame him, Chi-town is an awesome city and a great baseball town.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
Limiting it to the Red Sox/Yanks/Phils/Angels
is a little douchey
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Again, how?
If I could do that, make sure I worked for a team that had a chance to win, and/or allowed me to work closer to home, why in the hell would I NOT do that? He’d be a complete douche to his family and himself not to. What in the hell does he owe the Blue Jays or the other 29 teams? I am certain you would not defer to your boss if you had the same power.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
if no phillies prospects are going to toronto
then im not sure how drabek is involved, surely they’re not trading Lee and Drabek to Seattle?
yeah
i misunderstood your first post. well if that is the case then philly really makes out well here but that can’t be the case unless a position player is involved.
mlbtr changed how it reads now, looks like Drabek is going to Toronto
10:12pm: Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun (via Twitter) has Toronto getting Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D’Arnaud; Philly getting Roy Halladay and Philippe Aumont; and the Mariners getting Cliff Lee, plus another piece (or, pieces).
that obviously makes more sense
so then, my original post – i kind of like this deal for the phillies. trading out your prospect potential for the difference between halladay (for more years) and Lee. It’s not a slam dunk either way, but just a good solid deal. And halladay might see his numbers get better in the NL instead of pitching in the AL east
The Prospect to Toronto for Roy Halladay part of it makes sense for Philly, imo.
But the Cliff Lee to Seattle for prospects has me scratching my dome.
Although I guess I should reserve judgement until I hear what exactly they’re getting from Seattle other than Aumont.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
well when you break it down like that
this deal is kind of stupid
3 possibilities
1) Philly is getting a ton more back from seattle (but it doesn’t sound like they are)
2) Some Seattle prospects are going to Toronto that Philly can’t match out of their own system
3) Philly can’t afford both Halladay and Lee.
None of those possibilities seem right
I read a report that the last was a factor.
Something about a hard $140 million budget under which the money the Phillies save by shedding Lee’s salary ($9 million) allowed them to take on Halladay’s contract…?
Damned if I can remember which one of the bajillion reports now floating around out there it was.
no kidding
well that is pretty interesting if true. never thought a team like philly would run up against budget issues.
of course, they don’t need to make the lee trade immediately. I bet they could do better than aumont, even if lee is loudly proclaiming that he will test FA
You'd think if the affording it was a problem they'd have saved some money elsewhere.
Like maybe dump Blanton and gone bargain basement at 3b instead of paying big dollars for Polanco.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
They'd have a payroll close to 160mil if they get both
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
There is something that isn't being reported
Thats all it comes down to.
The M’s have to be giving up something more than just Aumont.
What do voluntary mean?
yeah
9M does not seem like a big problem. and it seems odd to have hard budgets at 140M. When you are spending that much, what’s another couple million to keep someone like lee
When I first heard about this deal I figured they'd found a team to dump Lidge onto.
But I guess not.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
so who all is philly giving up
Drabek, Taylor, D’Arnaud and Cliff Lee, all for one year of Halladay (plus three more years at 20M?) That seems excessive.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
that still seems like a lot
Drabek and Lee alone seem like a lot for Halladay. I know there is value in being able to lock up Halladay long term (something Lee has said he won’t do) but to forfeit your top prospect to make that happen, then sweeten it by adding Taylor and Arnaud (with a relief prospect coming back in return) just seems like a lot. But maybe I am overvaluing Taylor and Arnaud.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I agree
They had a chance to have Lee and Halladay, I’m not sure how you pass that up, that is the makings of something special
What seems nuts to me
is that Seattle is in essence getting Lee for someone who would be our #4 or #5 prospect if these rumors are true. I call BS.
Or maybe I’m under rating Aumont significantly.
What do voluntary mean?
I've given up
trying to understand this until I hear some consistency in the names, or maybe until the deal is announced.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
imagine how this must feel
for the fanbases of the teams actually involved.
it has me feeling nostalgic for that day we actually made trades and signings.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
It was pretty hectic the day Harden was signed then not signed then signed
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
yep
that’s the day I was referencing.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, I read that wrong
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
that's okay
by the way, since our chat earlier i took a closer look at glaus, and if he’s healthy then he should definitely be a preferred target.
seems like a big if tho.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
It seems
That this thing leaked while they where still in the midst of the negotiations. And the result has been extreme confusion as people try to piece it together as it happens.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
WTF? Seattle's getting Cliff Lee? Ugh... I'm gonna barf.
Here’s hoping the M’s pay a higher price for Lee now than the Phils did at the deadline.
That trade was such an abortion for the Indians.
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I'm not sure Lee is in this deal...
the names we keep hearing that Seattle would give up make me think it is probably Blanton instead.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
That's possible I suppose, but we're only hearing what they'd be sending to Philly, I believe.
Aumont to Philly is all I can seem to find just now.
My guess is they’re sending quite a bit to Toronto.
I’d be pretty surprised if at least two of Triunfel/Morrow/Saunders aren’t headed to Toronto.
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by thedirkatron on Dec 14, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Almost has to be.
Current rumors aren’t mentioning any of that though. Right now its just Aumont being mentioned, and I definitely don’t see him landing Cliff Lee without an arm and a leg being tossed in.
What do voluntary mean?
and at least one report said no M's prospects
you know, when a rumor like this goes out, you wonder if the people reporting them knwo enough about baseball to actually ask the right questions to verify veracity.
I'm thinking many of them don't
Just look at what the Phillies have given up for a third of a season of Lee and Halladay now. It is looking like they gave up almost their whole top ten prospect list, or at least most of it and the return was Halladay and a 20 year old AA RP.
I can’t imagine how crazy we would be going if we had done the same thing. Of course I know I don’t know enough about the Phillies system, but it really looks like they traded the equivalent of lets say Holland and 3 of the other top 10-15 for Lee. 6 months later they are adding Feliz and two other top 10 to go from Lee to Halladay, and picking up a nice but not incredible prospect on the back end.
What do voluntary mean?
So Cameron will play CF and Ellsbury a corner?
Kevin_Goldstein
Love Cameron for #RedSox, but Ellsbury in a corner hurts offensively.
Ellsbury was fucking terrible in CF this year though
At least according to UZR.
Maybe theres a reverse-Borbon situation in Boston.
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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Before this year
He was one of the top defensive CFs in the game. I think Beane even said he was the best defensive CF in baseball.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
what a gold mine for seattle
they get lee for .30 on the dollar? Philly better be getting back some serious prospects.
I was going to write that we should have put together a prospect package that blew aumont out of the water but then i realized that we are talking about 9M and 20 people would have to go hungry in arlington for 5 years for that to work
Sadly you're probably right
Main is probably equal in value to Aumont.
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Like I posed before
Trading Frankie to the Phils, along with prospects, would probably get us pretty close to being able to afford him, but we’d be absolutely done for the offseason.
Sigh
If we had the money we could beak Aumont without touching the top core of our farm.
I really don’t get Philly’s GM. Seems like he should have just included Drabek at the deadline to land the player he wanted as opposed to sorta screwing around and basically draining the top of their farm system for Halladay by trading for someone in the same ballpark of player first.
What do voluntary mean?
Wouldn't it be awesome
Screw the M’s out of Harden and Lee?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
That would be a great Christmas present
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Oh good lord its 11 local
and ya’ll are sniping typos. Awesome.
What do voluntary mean?
Y'all. And YES WE ARE!
Awesome, that is. And Sniping Typos, which will, I promise, be the name of my next band.
What was the name of your last band?
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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you said next band, so I thought perhaps you had an entire line of bands with funny names.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
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by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
But seriously, I don't care about the typo; I just thought it was funny.
And wanted to repeat it. Don’t get bent out of shape.
You really shouldn't take my word for it.
I mean, I can say I don’t have a beak all day, but have you seen my avatar lately?
As in, "I'm beaking Phillipe Aumont." Sort of a Sarah Silverman sort of thing?
He is Québécois, after all.
Just saw KH's retweet
Just talked to a scout who says the #Angels are now the 3rd best team in the ALW. “I think what Texas did was brilliant.” Seattle 2nd.
pretty awesome
Brilliant, my ass.
Lots of moving parts and ifs required to be a good trade more likely we did nothing.
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by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I will punch you in the taint
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Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
by AirJordan on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Not sure why this made me laugh
but thanks for that.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
i laughed a lot
i think it was because it was exactly what i wanted to read.
and all I get to see is “Ignore”
I know, made me laugh also
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In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Be sure to wear gloves
I wouldn’t want my bare hands going anywhere near that…
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"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
apparently
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Josey, just shut the fuck up
No one cares what you think. Really no one cares about you period. Take a hint don’t go away mad just go away…
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Dec 14, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's see...
Harden, always a question mark has to stay healthy enough to take the bump at least 25 times and give us 140 IPs (he’s done that only twice in seven years).
Somebody from the mix has to be his tandem starter, perhaps a piece of shit like Dustin Nippert and we’re supposed to believe that the Harden/Nippert combo platter is going to pitch more effectively than Millwood did last year.
Then Chris Ray, who was awful last season and probably not fully recovered from his injury has to soak up the innings CJ threw last year.
Oh yeah, we have to depend on CJ being an effective starter in The Show next year although he’s never done it before in his career (I actually think CJ can do this but it’s dumb to depend on this).
Then Mike Lowell, who is 36, in decline, has both a bad hip and bad thumb plus can’t hit outside of Fenway is supposed to come here to be the DH/OBP machine/badass that torches LH pitching we desperately needed.
For the rights to pay Mike Lowell $ 3 million and help the Red Sox move a contract so they can trade for AG (remember him JD?) we’re going to give them a player with a minor league career obp of .398.
Fucking brilliant.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
What about "no one cares what you think"
Did you not understand?
Fact: The Rangers are a better team today than they were before the Millwood trade and Harden signing. JD did a damn good job with what he had to work with.
Fact: You don’t like JD no matter what he does.
Fact: WE don’t care. Let the Mother Fucking healing begin paper boy
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
The Rangers would have had a good chance to be a better
team if they had kept Millwood and signed Harden.
As it is, they’re just running in place.
Same ol’ Ding Dong Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Well that is not JD's fault is it?
Take the matter up with Hicks. You always try to blame JD. Do you not think JD would rather have kept Milly and signed Harden? Hicks doesn’t have money dip shit that is why he had to trade Milly. Like it or not the team is better today than last week paper boy.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
And JD didn't do
a fucking thing except look busy at the Winter Meetings.
This team is not better. It’s about where they were when the season ended and if Harden gets hurt, it’s going to be worse.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever paper boy go back to your hole
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Its ok. This is going to end up just like his 73 win prediction
And even then he found reasons as to why even the 87 win year was bad. Josey is like someone who just won a 20M lotery. He’s just pissed that he has to pay 10M in taxes and blames JD for all the decisions that make him look foolish. Kind of typical!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
How many wins do you have the Rangers
down for in 2010 right now?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
see what you've done ajm?
never shoulda penned that post
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
Do YOU see this
as at least a 92 win team in 2010?
If not, they’re not markedly better than they were last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Technically 88 wins would be markedly better than last year.
Just sayin….
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
If they win 88 games in 2010
they’ll be home the first week in October watching the playoffs (again).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
We sure as hell have a better chance making playoffs....
with a healthy Harden at the top of our rotation than a player like Millwood who folds in the middle of a pennant race.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
well of course it's always better to be ...
Hard as opposed to soft.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
Perhaps
I’m expecting big things from Hamilton and Kinsler next year, like monster years. I’m expecting Nellie to regress a bit and I think tha our DH, whoever they may be, will be better than last year.
Couple all this and the same titteriffic defense and I could see it
I also think that our bullpen will end up being dominate…,see Pedro Strop.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
i don't know why he chose to pin this on JD
seems like it would be better to call this a Nolan move and be on board with it.
anyway, nolan has final say when trading pitchers. it’s his move whether he likes it or not
Actually Harden has pitched 140+ three times in his career.
Just trying to clear that fog that seems to shroud your head.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
3 out of 7 years is supposed to make me feel
better why?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Hey outlaw
give me a prediction for Cowboys @ Saints.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
The NFL kicked my ass
over the weekend so badly I didn’t touch tonight. I went 2-4 (hit on Texans & Eagles) so buyer beware. I was much better on basketball.
Romo is playing well which gives the Cowboys a chance to stay in the game. He’s not coughing up turnovers but the offense isn’t scoring points. They’ve padded their stats with a lot of meaningless TDs of late.
Losing Ware seemed to kill the defense. San Diego force fed it down the Cowboys throat when it mattered.
I’d probably lean towards NO on a small play because you gotta believe that the Dome is gonna be a madhouse full of drunk Cajuns on a Saturday night and Sean Payton knew the weaknesses of Romo the last time they played (beat Dallas 42-10 in 2006).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Not trying to make you feel better.
That’s what internet porn is for.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
Putz
Lackey just signed a 5 year $85 million contract with boston.
we signed Harden for 1 year $6.5 million
Over the last 2 years, Lackey and Harden have made the same number of starts.
Harden, 19-11 3.05 ERA, 289 innings, 352 K’s
Lackey, 23-13 3.79 ERA, 339.2 innings, 269 K’s
Bot good, Harden is better though.
Nippert? what did he do to you? 3-3 with a 4.65 ERA as a starter, though better as a reliever (2-0 1.86 ERA)
CJ will be a starter when pigs fly and certainly not unless the team has someone of equal quality to take his place as a lefty in the pen.
Ray could be good or not.
And the Lowell deal may or may not happen.
I have a feeling that taint has been punched soooo many times...
it’s got calluses, I’d punch higher, go for the balls that always works.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
You're assuming Josey has balls
/auto-snark response
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
You know me, I don't believe in intangibles
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
heh OH MY ...well take a look and report back to me
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
This really makes me want to upgrade the DH slot now
Cust, Glaus, Vlad… just get somebody with a high ceiling in here and if things go right, we could actually be the favorites.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
well
that post being said, i don’t agree. we didn’t do so much that we are suddenly the favorites. I think it is a toss up between all 3 teams. we got better, seattle is still working but has weathered the beltre loss, LA got worse. Don’t think Oak is all that far behind either.
Well yeah
That’s why I indicated we need to get a high-ceiling DH first.
Even then that’s no guarantee of production and we’re still kind of set up to be a boom-or-bust team in 2010 otherwise, so yeah, you’re correct.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
well
i don’t see any “high ceiling” DH coming back that would put us over the top. certainly not the platoon you put together
Well, Glaus, Cust or Vlad coming in here and giving us a .370+ wOBA out of the DH spot would be a serious boost.
But that can’t be guaranteed, obviously. Having the potential around would be nice though.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
@mlbtraderumors Cards Offer Most Lucrative Deal In Team History To Holliday http://bit.ly/5M2OW2
The Cardinals have offered Matt Holliday a deal which would pay him $16MM per year for at least eight seasons, writes Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Crazy
What kind of cheese are they going to have left for Big Al?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Pujols will be a Ranger
Book it. Mauer-Pujols, 3-4.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
And Greinke
LSB will feature nightly debates about which one is really our #1 starter.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
No idea.
I think it’s a fantastic deal for him considering he’ll be making ~16mm at the age of 37…but I bet Boras tells him to keep looking.
why?
players love playing in STL, he’ll be playing with the greatest player of our generation on an annually competitive team, and no other team in baseball is willing and able to pay him that much for that long…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I say
he gets blown away by the Sox.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I'll go with the Angels
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
I think the Angels are more likely to make a strong run at Bay.
Who’ll be cheaper.
I think
the Mets sign Bay before the Angels make a move.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Sox just signed Cameron.
Unless they deal Ellsbury they’re OF is set.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 15, 2009 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
haha
phills could have had BOTH Lee and Halladay.
Smart Ruben, Smart…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
no, not really.
one team has an owner who’s okay with a 140MM+ payroll.
one team doesn’t have an owner.
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
he still gave up way too much
why not just do 2 diff deals then…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
oh I'm nto disagreeing with that
he could probably get a better deal for Lee if he waits a bit. But he obviously can’t keep both. Maybe the owner is getting antsy having both lee and halladay on the payroll at the same time. maybe he makes the move simultaneously hoping that people don’t realize that he’s desperate.
but even still, you would think there would be a legitimate bidding war for lee
Not really....
When you consider Amaro could’ve cleared the payroll in other ways.
Like dumping Blanton on someone… or not signing Placido Polonco.
I’d much rather have Lee and a cheap-o 3b than Blanton, Polonco and Aumont.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 15, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions
1 year of Blanton and 3 relatively expensive years of Polanco... I'd say yes, he is.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
@Ken_Rosenthal #Phils getting $6M from #Jays in Halladay deal. Drabek, Taylor, likely D’Arnaud to TOR, Aumont, Gillies and 3rd player to PHI…
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
If that's the case, kudos to long-named GM in Toronto
JP couldn’t pry away Drabek at last year’s deadline and now they get Drabek AND Taylor? Ridiculous.
Yeah, pretty amazing
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Throwing in that 6mm must've helped.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 15, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
The only way they got both those guys was because halladay agreed to an extension
The Phils wouldn’t part with those guys for a one year rental but now that they have Halladay locked up for 4 more years they can afford to let them go
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I have a feeling
that third player is Truinfel…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
As long as it's Triunfel or Saunders, I'm happy.
Think those two are bigger losses than Morrow.
This asshole seems to think the Mariners are going to get Cliff Lee by giving up just Aumont.
would that make it the best deal available for Lee
still seems like someone out there has enough money and prospects to match
Truinfel, Aumont and Gillies
is probably a pretty fair return for one year of Lee (and the picks).
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Ken_Rosenthal Aumont and Gillies are Canadian, yet they’re winding up with Phils, not Jays!
Ken_Rosenthal Lee to SEA, Halladay to PHI. Amt. of Halladay extension not known. If reports of three years, $60M are accurate, he would be a bargain.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Aumont's Quèbècois.
Playing to stereotype, Toronto’s one of the last MLB cities he’d want to move to.
it's probably going to end up being something like 4 and 80+MM
is he a 20+MM pitcher?
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
yes
The perfect combo of throwing a ton of innings and being extremely effective.
Not that its a realistic tool, but fangraphs WAR to $ value tool has him at worth an average of 27.6 million the past 4 years.
the preceding post was a great success.
Gillies
Do you suppose he blends into the outfield grass when he plays?
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
..
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, failed Ghillie suit joke
I forgot you need an h in there to make it work.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
I like where your head is at.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
He looks
sufficiently unimpressed.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Not according to this man.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 15, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
Why'd they take his pic
in the shower?
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
by rangerdanger on Dec 15, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
he'd just been traded to the Phils and he felt "dirty"
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
I, for one,
am pretty glad the Mariners continue to fork over prospects for short term pitching solutions.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
well
yeah, prospects…not great prospects. They made an excellent deal.
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Yep
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Bobby V was just on ESPN
saying he believes the Angels knew all along they were going to lose Lackey and that they have money and something else up their sleeves.
Wonder if they’d make a run at Bedard (thinking they could get him fairly cheap)?
I still think the Angels are really good but that team has some age on it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 14, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Their going to get Lowe who blows
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I dunno the he actually blows
He had a .330 BABIP this year. In front of a good defense he should be ok. Plus anyone pitching in LAA-land is automatically awarded 30 luck points.
He doesn’t really scare me though.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Would be nice to see Juan Rivera gone too
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
What's their OF situation?
They have Hunter and who else out there?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Abreu
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Right
Matsui as the DH, Abreu as RF, Hunter as CF.
They’d still need to play GMJ in LF?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Lets hope they stick GMJ out there.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
They said that Matsui is going to play some LF
yum
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Even better
does that mean they DH GMJ?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Sciosh likes to DH Napoli
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
and Mathis to suck at C
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 14, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Either way
someone will suck in that lineup. Good.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
And then roll with
Saunders/Palmer at the back end of the rotation? They’re in trouble.
Maybe this is the year the finally give Brandon Wood a chance though.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
They said they're going to give Matsui a chance to play LF, right?
I would love if they rolled out a Matsui/Hunter/Abreu OF next year.
That long ass contract
looks awful. How much $ would the Braves have to put in.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
maybe about GMjr worth
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
It funny, because I remember debating someone
(And I think it was Dirkatron of all people) when Lowe was a FA that he wasn’t gonna be worth a big contract.
Chalk that up into the relatively short category of things I was right about.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 14, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
i for one
argued then that he was worth a big contract and I stand by it. If the Rangers had the money, I’d be clamoring for the team to try to bring him in.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
YOu know
between this and your veteran bullpen pitcher obsession, I swear you get your jollies by misallocating $$ resources for pitchers.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
now wait
i heavily advocated for us to sign Juan Cruz, and I’ll admit that mistake, but I am generally of the thought that bullpens are best filled out via NRIs and internal rotation runoff.
and I just like Lowe. He’s durable and in front of our defense I think he’d thrive. He’s probably not worth what he got, but that’s why I said, “If we had the money…”
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
There's a good chance
that he’s not going to be very good either.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
My main concern with him is his age.
Once pitchers’ peripherals start to show decline when they get up above 33, I get very nervous. Throw in that he’s going to make $15 million per year for 3 years, it’s too pricey.
If he 32 and making $10-12 million per year, you might be able to talk me into it. Not at $15 million per for 3 years at age 37.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
are you talking about today?
how can you say that until we know what they gave up?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
now only if the A's would do the same..
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
So I sponsored Pedro Strop's B-R page
what should I say?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Something about The Audacity of Strop
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
ha
what is that?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Supposedly
the nickname for Strop from the LSB Encyclopedia.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
You know, I really have no idea
I just know it’s LSB’s running Strop-meme.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Too boring?
Check out Lonestarball.com the #1 place to find info on Pedro “Audacity of Strop” Strop
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, I think it's Pedro "The Audacity of" Strop
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Otherwise, thumbs up
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Okay I'll fix it
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
It says
…the change will appear in the next day or so (at the latest). Boo! :)
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
lol
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Would they allow you to
post a picture of Strop striking out Mauer?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Naw
just a Message and/or a link
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about that
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
MENDOZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Here you go
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Dang ol'...
that reminds me, my Travis Metcalf sponsorship is going to expire soon enough.
Not the B-R sponsorship, I’m his AA sponsor.
Travis has had a tough year.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 15, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
AA sponsorship expires, huh?
I thought that sort of thing just got better with age.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Hey
when are you updating the LSB Almanac?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I'll do it...
when Drew updates the User’s Manual.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 15, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Sure, pawn it off on the graphics monkey
We demand our updates, sirrah!
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by lonestarJon on Dec 15, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
@StoneLarry Don’t be surprised if third player to Phillies is RHP Juan Ramirez (aka J.C. Ramirez), ranked M’s No. 5 prospect by Baseball America.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
This is
a busy thread.
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
Has anybody read LL as far as this Lee/Halladay thing goes?
I recommend it if you want to have a good laugh. Just click any thread that has to do with Cliff Lee.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
are they
scraping up their knees??
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
by rangerdanger on Dec 15, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'd imagine it's probably a little like...
how I behaved myself with the Rich Harden signing. Only more inappropriate.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 15, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
They've pretty much gone off the deep end.
As if they weren’t there already. There’s some good stuff in the latest thread, but the funniest responses are in the one further down the page that says something about Heyman breaking the news.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
It would piss me off if the M's...
…got 1 year of Lee plus the draft picks for Aumont, Gilies, and Ramirez. That’s a package that the Rangers could easily match and Lee at $9 million would be a great deal (enough to offset the loss of comparable prospects). It makes me want to bang my head against a wall that they couldn’t get in on a deal like that just because of the money. Harden-Lee-Feldman-Hunter-Holland would cause my baseball pants to esplode.
Also, what the hell is Philly doing? It only makes sense if they value either Drabek a lot lower or Aumont a lot higher than the general consensus. Otherwise, you’re giving up a prime pitching prospect (and more) for the ability to marginally upgrade this year and pay close to market value for a great pitcher the next few years. Wouldn’t it make more sense to roll with Lee this year, then go sign Halladay?
While we’re sitting around debating the virtues of Jermaine Dye vs Troy Glaus…le sigh.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Only tweet
Halladay’s negotiations with the Phillies are complete; deal in place. He’s taking a physical examination right now.
Boston cut off negotiations
with Bay…does he also go to Seattle?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If they give him want he wants, we can only hope.
by brettgardner on Dec 15, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Could still be dealt, though.
If they’re angling for ‘10, there’s no doubt Bay is 10,000 times better.
by brettgardner on Dec 15, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Because of Bay's awful defense he's likely to only be marginally more valuable than Saunders in 2010
Still an improvement, but nowhere near worth the money. Thank God for us Jack Zduriencik isn’t an idiot.
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