LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #12
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 8:53 AM CST
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PrintAfter garnering 22% of 166 votes, Jurick Profar has won the right to be called the LSB Community #11 prospect!
The List So Far:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
#2. LHP Martin Perez
#3. 1B Justin Smoak#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers
#5. RHP Michael Main
#6. LHP Robbie Ross
#7. RHP Wilmer Font
#8. RHP Danny Gutierrez
#9. RF/DH/1B Mitch Moreland
#10. LHP Kasey Kiker
#11. SS Jurick Profar
Time to move on to the vote for #12.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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OK lets see how many time I have to vote Beltre
Can’t really understand the Beavan love here.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's
probably C-Wun voting for himself.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
...and then flexing in front of the mirror for between 15 and 20 glorious minutes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 3:18 AM CST up reply actions
Tools, age and ceiling.
I’m really interested to see how he responds to his first truly disappointing performance.
The probability that he’ll never amount to anything is very high, but so is the potential payoff if he can manage to work even a little bit of discipline into his approach at the plate.
High risk, high reward.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 3:23 AM CST up reply actions
Went with The Audacity.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
same
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Who is that?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 15, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
The Audacity...
…of Strop
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Strop
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Can someone tell me what is specifically wrong with MaxRam's wrists?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions
Please?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Summation:
They suck.
Maybe Eric Chavez can answer that question… or maybe he can’t.
by NoNameOnCard on Dec 15, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Haha.
He probably can’t. Trust me.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Telis
though I could flip a coin and vote Strop, Beltre, or Max here as well.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Pretty please?
It’s like people are confusing the NFL and MLB draft…who cares if they were a first round pick?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I voted Beltre
But 20 year olds in AA are going to be considered soemthing at least halfway decent no matter what. When you add in Beavan’s amazing control and yes, his original pre-draft hype, I don’t see why people want to throw away the results. This is number 12 and this right around where I would think Beavan should be in the rankings.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He was drafted 2 years ago.
Had to have his mechanics re-worked after which his FB velocity (his strongest point) dipped and his K rate dropped dramatically.
I guess there’s always hope for his ceiling, but there’s guys there with higher ceilings or who are closer.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
2 years ago though isn't that long
I think most people here got spoiled by guys like Hunter and Holland who have just flown through the minors.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It's long enough for us to have enough data..
..to drastically reduce how much we weight pre-draft hype.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
He's a much different animal than the guy we all thought we were getting when we drafted him.
His K rate is troubling, as is the drop in velocity that came from his reworked mechanics, but it’s not like he’s without hope or anything.
The guy had a 4.01 ERA and a 3.49 FIP in AA as a 20 year old and his 1.30 BB/9 is remarkable. Plus he’s proven to be pretty much impossible to take deep.
He’s never going to be the swaggering ace we thought he had the potential to be, but he still has a pretty darn good chance to be a LAIE or maybe even a Derek Lowe.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 3:33 AM CST up reply actions
I can't see...
Beavan above MaxRam or Beltre.
MaxRam for the third time for me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Me too.
I can’t believe he’s trailing Beavan.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling BA, et al will be doing that sort of thing when they compose the Rangers’ extended lists. There just isn’t a lot separating several guys in this area.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
How can people put Beavan over Poveda, Moscoso and Strop?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Name recognition
That is the only thing that I can come up with. He was a first round pick from the area that caused a stir when he said he could pitch for the Rangers out of HS.
He isn’t in my top 15…and maybe not the top 20.
"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan
by Suicide Prince on Dec 15, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
That is correct
"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan
by Suicide Prince on Dec 15, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
wow
I can’t imagine putting 9 of those guys ahead of Beavan
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'd put 8 more
(In no real order) Poveda, Max, Moscoso, Telis, Velazquez , Strop, Wieland, Snyder
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I would put those and possibly Beltre above him too
so theres 9
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah, that's about right.
I would probably put Beltre in there, too, like NothinG mentions. Guess that does put him at #21 for me, though I actually said “maybe not in my top 20”.
Looking at it a little more closely, he could easily fall anywhere between 18 and 21 for me.
"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan
by Suicide Prince on Dec 15, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Poveda???
Poveda’s a year older, doesn’t have the control that Beavan has, and still comes with the K concerns. I’m also not able to jump onto that Wieland bandwagon like some. Solid peripherals last season, but nothing outstanding and this system has higher ceiling guys (of a similar or younger age) who are just as “proven” as he is in pro ball if not more. Moscoso looks to be a solid RP, but I can’t get that excited about a 26 year old who likely will be nothing more than a RP.
Snyder??? I can’t see a LOOGY being more valuable than anything. Strop is a much, much better RP prospect, but he’s got a huge injury concern and I’m not voting for any strictly RP prospect at this point.
I can understand the argument with Telis, Velazquez, Max, and Beltre (I know you didn’t put him there), but some of you people are way too down on Beavan to the point where they are looking for absolutely anyone to vote in over him.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Poveda was also pitching in AAA
a year older, so I don’t see the issue. 21 vs 20. Poveda was better.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Poveda was in AA...
Omar Poveda pitched one game Triple-A in 2009. I’ve been voting Blake Beavan recently, although, in response to Gdawg’s statement about Poveda’s “K concerns,” it’s worth noting that Beavan only had 34 strikeouts in 89.2 innings in Double-A. Overall, in 2009, Beavan had 85 strikeouts in 163 innings.
Frankie Francisco. C.J. Wilson. Neftali Feliz. Darren O'Day. Pedro Strop.
American League Teams simply know them as "The Basterds."
by YourNameHere on Dec 15, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying that Beavan is a much better K pitcher
but that same concern should be right there with Poveda
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Poveda has been a K pitcher in the past
It dropped last year but before that he was a K an inning guy
Beavan has never sniffed Povedas K rates
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Poveda has better
pure stuff by a pretty good margin. Up until this season he was just about a K per IP guy. Average FB/CB combo to go with a plus changeup.
I'm really not down on Beavan...
as much as I’m high on the rest of the system. I believe AJM said that so many of these guys are so close together that in the 10-25/30 range a lot of them are very interchangeable. I don’t think there’s a big difference between #10 and #20 especially. This system is just so fucking deep that you will get differing opinions like this. It’s really not a big deal, and usually doesn’t mean that many of us are “down” on any one individual prospect.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That would seem to be true
And a much nicer way to say it than “He sucks!”.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Replace Snyder with Beltre...
and I think all those guys are ahead of Beavan for me as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
no kidding.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think some
Are hoping beyond hope that he somehow regains his velocity. If he does, with the kind of control he’s displayed, Beavan could be a tremendous prospect.
by Conjunction on Dec 15, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
It's not just velo
his slider was really bad last year
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly
with how deep this system a prospect like Beavan can flame out and it wouldnt kill us. Why not just tell Beavan to go back to his old mechanics? See if he recovers his velocity…
I voted for beavan here bc despite the velocity issues I still think he could become a serviceable 4/5 guy in the rotation.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't doubt that they let Beavan do that
I think they’d look to trade him first as changing his mechanics back is more of a last resort, could kill his trade value, and possibly waste a 40 man roster spot while he fixes his mechanics (assuming that would happen next year at the earliest).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Because he's actually got a chance to be pretty good with his current profile?
That’d be reason anyway.
He induces tons of groundballs, keeps the ball in the yard with remarkable consistency and never walks a freaking person. Seriously, the dude hates walks. I think maybe he’s racist against them.
Plus, like I said above, he was only 20 in AA.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 3:40 AM CST up reply actions
exactly...
his change has improved, but his slider was pretty much lacking any downward break, making it an 80 mph cutter that doesn’t cut that much and starts breaking immediately out of his hand. Basically a 40 pitch…
Haven't we been waiting for him to regain his velo since he was drafted?
Wonder what the freaking deal is!?!?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
so did I
and like everybody else, I don’t understand the Beavan votes. He is not top 15 in this system
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Neither is Kiker...
but at this point it’s, “Oh, well.”
by NoNameOnCard on Dec 15, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
He's under Tellis
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Or Telis
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't he talking about Braden Tullis?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah
and I said that he’s under Tomas Telis
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Their introduction when Telis arrived in Spokane:
Telis, this is Tullis. Tullis, Telis.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 15, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That sucks.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 15, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
It's really weird how much support Beltre seems to get in the comments. . .
. . . vs. how thoroughly he’s getting stomped in the actual vote.
Thus far:
1. Feliz
2. Smoak
3. Smoak
4. Scheppers
5. Font
6. Font
7. Font
8. Moreland
9. Moreland
10. Beltre
11. Beltre
12. Beltre
13. Beltre
You voted for 13 already
Is that some kind of double secret ballot or something
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
HOL
I actually heh’d out loud.
"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan
by Suicide Prince on Dec 15, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
x
LoneStarDugout Finishing up the right-handed starting pitcher story. Two guys I don’t think get enough respect: Kennil Gomez and Matt Thompson.
Kennil Gomez
Love for him makes no sense to me.
Walks.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 16, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yah, me too.
Thompson I’m anxious to see next year, but Gomez just makes me go all sorts of soft and rubbery.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 3:42 AM CST up reply actions
Him or Font.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Font.
Gutierrez sounds super peachy in all the reports I’ve had the chance to pour over, but I’m still a little suspicious given what we paid to get him.
I know he’d had problems in KC and they wanted to be rid of each other, but Smith/Pina seems like an awful small price to pay for a guy who’s as good as we keep hearing.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 16, 2009 3:44 AM CST up reply actions
But it was the Royals we got him from...
But, yeah, we should hold off a bit, but he comes out this season firing, I’ll have no problem scooting him up into the top 5 with his stuff/projection. I want to see Font make it to Frisco this year, if he can do that, the sky is the limit.
So I'm clear...
A lot of people, it seems, would rather see Engel Beltre go to Boston in the Mike Lowell trade than Max Ramirez.
Beltre does seem like ideal trade bait
Big, raved about tools, lousy actual usage of them.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I would really hope we could rope in more on Beltre from someone who drools over tools.
But no, if we have to make that trade, I’d rather lose Max.
You mean Beavan
And I cant believe Max came back. No runoff. End it now. Leave Beavan off the next ballot.
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