Tuesday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 15, 2009 9:20 AM CST
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PrintToday is supposedly the day that an ownership group gets picked and begins negotiations on a final deal. We'll see if that actually happens, though, or if we learn anything if it does happen. Richard Durrett talks about the process.
T.R. Sullivan writes that Jim Crane is now the favorite to end up owning the team, since his new bid is the highest of the three groups. Crane is the candidate who has always been viewed as having the deepest pockets, and given the peculiar nature of this transaction, with the NHL owners and the lenders having to approve the deal along with MLB, Crane's pariah status among some MLB owners may not be fatal the way it would be if this were a regular transaction.
Evan Grant offers his thoughts on the pending deals involving Cliff Lee and John Lackey, and how they impact the balance of power in the A.L. West.
Sullivan writes that the medicals and financials are holding up the Mike Lowell trade. Although the Rangers also are considering guys like Ryan Garko, Jermaine Dye and Vlad Guerrero, Sullivan says that they prefer Lowell because he can play third base.
And former Ranger prospect Colby Lewis is looking to return to American baseball, after having torn up the Japanese Central League the past two years.
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German played 3B (not well)
and Davis can play 3B if needed….before 2009, Young played between 155-162 games for 7 straight seasons, so why are they suddenly worried?
The Rangers saying they want Lowell (who is now a statue at 3B) “because he can play 3B” is crap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
It doesn't make sense to trade for Lowell on so many levels...
Lowell sucks, is hurt, in decline and this helps make Boston better PLUS we’re giving up a minor league prospect with a .398 OBP.
And why wouldn’t you take Troy Glaus (probably better, younger, can play 1B&3B) who might not cost $ 3 million and a prospect with a .398 OBP?
Per the murky financials going on…are the Rangers not permitted to have any money owed on their books because it hurts the current value of the team and is this the only way JD could acquire a hitter as opposed to making an offer to Glaus?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
I think Glaus
wants a full time 3B gig but i dont really think he will get that. Glaus may be one of those guys that can be had late around early Feb when starts to come to his senses about not getting a starting 3B job. I wouldnt mind him. Im really hoping for Guerrero though.
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by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
who out there
has a full time 3B job to offer? Houston, Seattle and Philly have addressed their needs. The Orioles come to mind, I guess, but they have Wigginton.
It does seem like the likelihood of someone like Dye, Vlad or Glaus falling into the bargain bin seems to grow more likely by the day/signing, but the waiting is so hard!
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Just out of curiosity
why hasn’t Aubrey Huff’s name come up as potential DH/!B/3B candidate?
he's a lefty
and the club seems dead set on a RH hitter to help balance their lineup.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I actually agree
I am firmly in the Sign Vlad camp honestly.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
it's actually because of SS
they want young to backup short since andrus will only play about 145 games. plus young will get a few games off and play a little DH so you need someone who can handle third for 35 games or so.
Life is pain - we've got to scrape the joy from it every chance we get.
Lots of moving parts
If you put Young at SS and Davis at third, then you have another non-regular starting at 1B. That kind of shits all over the IF defense that Texas has worked on by having poor defense at 3B, SS, and likely 1B too. I think the ideal situation is to have Young back-up Andrus while you have an actual 3B ready to fill in.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Answer?
Smoak.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Dec 15, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Not for 3B, just for 1B in your scenario.
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by utlonghorn24 on Dec 15, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
At what point in the season though?
Smoak can be an offensive boost to the club, but I don’t think he’s at that point yet and we shouldn’t be planning on him being ready before June. He might also have a setback or an injury that prevents him from being a possibility until later in the season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
What happened to the picture of CD?
Dun dun dun
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
they want young to backup short since andrus will only play about 145 games
Is this a fact? I’ve seen others on here say the same thing, but I’ve seen nor heard anything from the Rangers saying this is the plan. I find this to be highly unlikely.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Correct.
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by SarasotaRanger on Dec 15, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know enough
about Crane to have an opinion. Do we want him as a owner?
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by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Dec 15, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions
He has the deepest pockets
Supposing he’s the highest bidder, does that put us in play on the FA market?
by oc on Dec 15, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I would think so...
although probably not ’til next year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yes...
and July is next year. =P
Of course the last thing I want to see is him shipping off some combination of Feliz/Holland/Smaok/Perez for a rental.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Nolan hasn't caught on to the half smile.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Harden's face just says, "I'm a badass and I know it"
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Cliff Lee
If Seattle really is sending the paltry return for Lee that’s been reported I am completely bewildered as to why Amaro wouldn’t be shopping around for a better deal. Surely other GMs are calling making offers better than what the Mariners are rumored to be sending? If I’m Daniels I’m on the phone.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
yep
my one thought is that there has got to be something missing. Or Philly really really wants those particular players for some reason. Because that isn’t an overwhelming package – someone would give them more.
Unfortunately, the Rangers could better the pitching prospect, obviously we have many guys better than Aumont. But I don’t think the Rangers have enough position player depth, and I guess the Phillies want an outfielder.
I just don’t know why Philly is even trading Lee for that underwhelming offer. So they trade Drabek and d’Arnaud, and Taylor for Halladay. But why flip Lee for the Seattle players? Why not just keep Lee and have the best top 2 in baseball?
Go Rice Owls!
It's all about the money
Same reasons we couldn’t have Millwood and Harden, except their owner is just being stingy
I'm guessing
there is something that hasn’t been reported accurately yet. Amaro doesn’t seem very smart sometimes, but surely he’d get more for Lee.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
one thought
is that Seattle has been trying to keep who they are giving up secret to stave off this exact sort of thing. It’s easier to say “I can beat that!” when you know their best young players aren’t involved
Go Rice Owls!
what is our comparable package?
Main, Moreland and Boscan? I always like to have a point of reference for these debates…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Interesting throw in
from the TR article… “… and the New York bankers who hold Hick’s debt…”
I hadn’t heard that specificity before… Interesting.
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by FormerLSBUser on Dec 15, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions
most of the big banks in this country are in NY
that surprises you?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 15, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Just a big move
to say that his investors are banks in NY, given the state of things, and people’s feelings towards NY banks, and the bailouts, ect ect
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by FormerLSBUser on Dec 15, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's more of a minor detail that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 15, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I know, agreed
but still something that hasnt been said… its the kidn of information that could play a role in situations that arise… just pointing it out…
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 15, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I don't understand what you're pointing out
That banks lend money?
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
That I think
it is interesting that TR put that detail in his story… He did is on purpose, its not just a slip. I think he is hinting the following…
Recently, several sources have said that the sale is being pushed by the economics of the deal, the debt HSG owe…
TR sais the debt is with NY banks…
NY banks have recently been failing, and have been receiving money from the treasury…
That is interesting, more than just nothing… but thats just me drawing a conclusion…
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 15, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
What are you trying to say?
because I’m not getting it.
reply
above
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 15, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Tom Hicks
God damn.
The A-Rod signing was never about the team or the player. It was about the guy who wanted to show the world he had buying power. He wanted his name in the public consciousness… always looking for the BBD (Liverpool)
And what did it cost him? A few hundred thousand fans?… of a baseball team that’s never achieved anything great anyway?
That signing officially set this team back 10 years, as we are now set to pick right back up where we left off in ’99. With the playoffs seemingly within reach, and a mountain of young talent….
Get the fuck out of town you sorry motherfucker. Cheapass son of a cunt. If I ever run into your sorryass on the street, you best believe i’mma be barking down your neck and spitting in your face, you crusty, country-clubbing, vanilla sack of dog-shit
by oc on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions 17 recs
I came, I saw, I rec'd this post.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
you need to reload the page
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 15, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
can people please understand
the arod signing WAS NOT A BAD SIGNING in and of itself.
outbidding the next team by that much wasnt a good idea. but signing the best player in baseball at that young of an age, and one of the top 3-4 players of all time simply is not a bad move. not then. not now. not ever.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
thats the most worthless arguement you have ever made
why is the hatred for hicks at such a level that people act like he is one of the 2-3 worst owners in baseball?
HES NOT.
is he arte moreno? no. henry? no steinbrenner? no. mccourt? no. but he put $$ into the team to build the farm system.
im sorry, but any time you can sign a top 3-4 player of all time at that young of an age its a great move. the outbidding by however many mil it was was a bad idea, as was the arod trade. but the signing was brilliant.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Well right now, I'd say he ranks as one of the worst owners
Before last year, I think he was starting to be a middle of the pack guy and when he started out, he was also a poor owner though not the worst.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
i still think hes in the middle 50% of owners in MLB
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Right now, given what has happened?
I don’t see how you can say that since he is being forced to sell the team due to being in debt for 500 million dollars. That’s even worse than voluntarily restricting the budget.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Geez, that's impossible to agree with.
How many other teams are being told how money can be spent by Selig and Co.?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 15, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Franchises...
Pirates
Royals
Nationals
Marlins
Astros
I think those may have worse owners… probably more, but those are the ones that jump out at me.
That's why I put him in the bottom 5 or so
Don’t know enough about McLane to argue it, but I have a hard time imagining that he’s worse than Hicks.
When you don't sign your first three picks in a draft because you're buddies with Selig and refuse to pay one cent over recommended slot, you're worse than Hicks
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that may have been what's happened lately
but I doubt you can say he’s worse than Hicks when his payroll has consistently been in the 80-100mill neighborhood and until a few years ago was consistently competing for their division. I’m not a big fan of what he’s done in recent years, but up until about a year after Gerry Hunsicker left, it was a very well run organization, and McLane spent the money to make it so.
Problem is, he refuses to face facts that, at some point, you have to rebuild, or at least reload
He will not trade a marketable commodity because he enjoys the ticket sales that those guys provide too much to part with them. The only reason he’s managed to somehow hang around in some form of contention is that he’s played in extremely weak division.
Put him in another division and they wouldn’t have sniffed contention in several years and the need to rebuild would be worse than the Rangers’ when JD went to work on that task.
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He also...
keeps paying too much for overrated free agents and refuses to trade Oswalt even though he has no farm system at all
If you pay a single player $25/million/year
When your entire team is going to be on a strict budget, then yes, it is a bad signing.
at that point
years arod was in texas vs rangers payroll
2001 – ~48mm
2002 – ~106mm
2003 – ~103mm
you make my point for me.
the signing alone wasnt bad. the outbidding was.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
yes clearly
the rangers were obviously on a TINY budget in 02 and 03, as evidenced by their 100+ mm payroll
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
That Rangers team had a LOT of holes.
A poor farm system, no PITCHING, lots of offense. We didn’t need A-Rod at the time. Just look at our records with him the years he was here. The team had TOO MANY HOLES to spend that much on one player at that time.
but the rangers spent lavishly on filling those holes
its just that every single signing turned out to be a bust. CHOP, TVP, Jay Powell.
Not sure what the poor farm system has to do with anything but not like Arod really hampered that.
The farm system had something to do with it
B/c you’re not going to go out and grab every free agent that you want. A-Rod doesn’t fix the pitching and the Rangers didn’t have any back then. Plus, if you’re making a 10 year commitment to a guy, you’d like to have a system set up to be capable of winning for the next 10 years. The Rangers had neither.
so when you have the opportunity to sign a once in a generation guy
and a top 3 overall guy you ignore it?
how would arod have looked in the lineup the last few yrs and the next 2-3 years?
farm systems can turn aroudn pretty quickly man
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Sure they can turn around pretty quickly
But only if you have a plan in place. The Rangers had no plan back then. I’m not saying that getting A-Rod was the worst thing ever, but it’s all about the timing. The idea itself is great, I won’t argue with you on that. It’s kind of like Communism….GENIUS idea, but it doesn’t work. When the Rangers got A-Rod there were too many issues at the time to think that one guy would fix it.
were not gonna agree on this
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
this is absolutely NOT like communism
and there is a lot of hindsight bias. I don’t see why saying that CHoP signing was the downfall of the Rangers is more likely than Arod was
I don't disagree with that.
Obviously A-Rod performed extremely well. As you mentioned though, hindsight is 20/20 and I would have rather taken the $250/Million and put it towards pitching.
why are you sure that it would have been spent towards pitching
and not to the stars/liverpool?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not
Which is why Hicks is a sorry owner. I agree with the point you’re making. I guess that I’m just saying that if I was the owner and I knew where the money was going to. Obviously it didn’t work out so it wasn’t a good deal.
one way or another
i still think the signing of arod was a great idea
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I just believe that you have to have a plan
Not just throw out money to a guy b/c he’s great. The Rangers weren’t going to win with A-Rod, period. In my opinion, what’s the point of getting him if you’re not going to win with him.
you cant say that at all though
no one coudl have predicted that when he signed
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
I was on top of the world when he signed. Having said that, looking back at that front office…..I think the writing was on the wall that A-Rod wasn’t going to be a cure-all for all the problems that were going on in the organization.
yeah, it wasn't like there were pitchers out there that he wasn't spending it on
but there were after CHOP. he got gunshy after that.
this doesn't make any sense
it’s a 10 year commitment. Even if the Rangers had nothing, they could have gotten a good farm system up and running by year 5. The reason you sign Arod then is because he will potentially not be available for the next 7 or 8 years.
But the Rangers also thought they had some pitching on the way that never materialized.
And all of this misses the point – the reason any signing is a bad one is because it allocates resources in a certain position when those resources could be better spent elsewhere. I don’t remember the Rangers really hurting for resources or cutting back on spending because of the Arod signing.
they did cut back on resources when all of their other signgings turned out to be horrible. blame that on john hart
how many teams have filled holes in FA
i know the rangers sure tried…how did that work out?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
The man never cared about this team
The Rangers have always been a piece of elbow candy he could show off at parties
You can defend all the signings and all that other bullshit. Farm system, yeah… after all other avenues failed… Hicks just used this team like a slut.
this is not very insightful
anyway, who cares what tom hicks’ motivation was. I don’t care if Boras blackmailed him with picture of him fucking pigs. It was still a good signing.
One question though.....
You say that building a farm system isn’t very difficult……right? Well let’s look at a few key reasons the Rangers wree able to.
1) The Teixiera trade. If you’re signing A-Rod, then you’re obviously going for it all and you’re not going to trade an All-Star player to bring in prospects.
2) The 5 -1st round/Supplemental 1st round draft picks a few years ago. When you sign A-Rod, and the other free agents that we signed, you’re not getting draft picks, you’re forfeiting them. How do you build a farm system “quickly” when you have no draft picks and you’re not willing to trade players for prospects?
drew
1) wrong- if you cant re-sign him you can either take the picks or take the trade. if that trade is offered, you do it every time
2) do you remember who was let go for those picks? (cant remember off the top of my head – the beavan/borbon/etc guy)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
Obviously I loved the Tex trade. My point was….if you’re trying to build a farm when A-Rod was here, then it wasn’t that easy b/c of the reasons above. You can’t keep all your stars and sign free agents and expect to build the farm. You have to take a step back which is what made A-Rod so angry.
but the farm system should have been built before he got there
but melvin effed that up.
and with all the money we spent, we probably should have been able to cobble together a few good years where he had the chance to compete.
do you see how the comment still makes sense even if the issue is not whether I should rec it
it’s a comment. I am commenting on what has happened.
you’re operating a tad too dumb right now. I think you think you’re a bit more insightful and clever than you really are. it happens.
Take the White Sox out of the Marlon Byrd race
The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown.
via mlbtr
Browns Tweet
White Sox acquire Juan Pierre for two minor league pitchers. Dodgers pick up about half of remaining salary.
Great comment from MLB Trade Rumors about this trade
Guy earlier said, Carlos Quentin trade coming soon most likely, this guy responds…
Why trade Carlos?
Juan Pierre in LF , Alex Rios CF , and Andruw Jones in RF. Carlos will be the DH.
Andruw Jones in RF everyday? Good luck with that…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 15, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Nobody puts Rios in the corner!
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
lol
I really would love to see Chicago put out an OF of Rios/Jones/Pierre. It could make some of the Rangers OFs from a few years ago look good
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Of course Andruw Jones won't be in RF...
Everybody knows he’s a Gold Glove center fielder!
FWIW, Josey has lauded him as one of the best on multiple occasions
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I'd say Kenny Williams is a top 10-12 GM
in MLB but not so sure about being “one of the best.”
The White Sox have been over .500 in 7 of his 9 years as GM and he has a ring.
He’s good, not great but was smart enough to trade Ichabod McCarthy to some dumbass for John Danks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
That organization has been fairly
consistent during his tenure as GM.
He made a good trade for Thome, brought in AJ to catch as a free agent, signed Jenks as a free agent, gave up a lot for Quentin (but hit it big) and recently signed/drafted both Ramirez & Beckham.
He’s a good GM.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
You act like Danks/McCarthy is one of the greatest trades in baseball history
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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Danks/McCarthy merely demonstrates
the talent of the GMs in question. Nobody from Texas should be making fun of the GM for the White Sox.
Williams also acquired some guy named Peavy late last season as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Andrus-Feliz-Harrison-Saltalamacchia-Jones/Texeira-Mahay merely demonstrates the talents of the GMs in question too
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
It appears to be the blind squirrel stumbling upon
a nut under the most unique circumstances unlikely to be duplicated any time soon.
See Mike Lowell Trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Good grief
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
That blind squirrel
Also took advantage of some dumbass from Boston, and got a solid outfielder and a toolsy prospect for the broken-down corpse of Eric Gagne.
He also fooled some dumbass from Philly into giving him a fairly useful starter in Padilla for Ricardo Rodriguez.
Those three dumbasses- the ones from Philly, Boston, and Atlanta- all have one other thing in common besides making bad trades with JD- they all have multiple World Series rings. And yet our incompetent donut boy got the best of each of them…
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
by RCCook on Dec 15, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
with all those moves you’d think this team would have more than one winning season in four years and that fans would be flocking to TBiA in record numbers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Until you realize
What he had to work with when he took over. Combined with the Num-Nuts of an owner that ultimately calls the shots.
Hmmmm,
when JD took over he had a young team 13 months removed from winning 89 games and also received a nice bump in payroll.
The minor league system had AGonzales, Kinsler, Danks, Eddy V, CJ, Feldman about to barge thru the door with lower level prospects in the mix as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Don't claim Feldman
when he was a side arming reliever at the time. Adrian Gonzales did not have the minor league track record that would make one believe he was going to hit like he did in the majors either.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 15, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
your using edinson volquez?
really?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
JD was just an "errand boy" ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 15, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
My point is
That JD’s track record isn’t nearly as negative as you keep making it out to be.
Hell, you can take anyone’s mistakes and make them out to be a moron, right, Mr. 73 Wins Elvis Isn’t Ready for the Show?
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
Yeah
I can’t believe anyone would be so completely moronic as to make a prediction like that. It’s like he either had no faith in the team, or he’s just a complete dumbass. Maybe both?
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
dont forget the beyond the boxscore ppl
picking the a’s to go to the world series!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Josey
That trade was generally regarded as a wash at the time it was made. McCarthy was,in fact, a more highly regarded young pitcher than Danks, and the Rangers only got him due to the inclusion of Nick Masset.
The trade was a toss-up, and we lost. It happens. It’s not a negative indictment of JD’s decision-making ability. You can make the case that the Agon/CY deal was, but that was farther back in JD’s tenure and apparently largely influenced by Showalter.
by Conjunction on Dec 15, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
@Buster_ESPN Pierre will cost the White Sox $3 million in ‘10 and $5 milllion in ’11, with the Dodgers picking up $10.5 million of the last $18.5 m.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see why it is an either/or
I think you’re better off not signing either. And in Pierre’s case, you’re probably better off having a AAA scrub out there.
Go Rice Owls!
but he was horrible the 2 yrs before it (OPS+ below 80)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
should be interesting to see byrd v pierre next few yrs
2 at least :)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
he's pretty middle of the road for me
he makes so damned many trades that some are bound to look great, and others very bad. The Swisher series of events was pretty ugly, but the Danks trade showed its better to be lucky than good, and the Peavy trade could be a great one.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
depending on how peavy actually pitches in the al next year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Byrd might end up going cheaper than he planned
and still not return to the Rangers.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
the cubs are so screwed on that MB signing
what an albatross!
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Albatross
You think the Bradley contract is bad, you should check out that Soriano deal. Between those 2, they have crippled their OF for the next 2 years and LF beyond.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
10-14:$18M annually for Soriano, So $90M left
How much of that would they have to eat to make Soriano tradeable, is it even possible? How much of ARod’s salary did we eat? Boston might be a good fit for Soriano, for the right price.
I beileve that we ate
9 mil per yr. so roughly 36% of his annual salary. So the cubs would have to eat 6.3 mil per yr so that would make Soriano a 11.7 mil/yr player. For a guy that has a career OPS+ of 113, looks like he is on the decline, is injury prone and is not a good defensive LFer….no thanks
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
That's why I said Boston
He’s right handed and could put up some monster years with the yall and the easiest LF in the majors, right?
True
I dont even think Boston makes that deal though. Your overall point is definitely correct. What a massively overpaid OF.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
If Manny can succeed playing LF there
than anyone can. Definately right on easiest LF in the majors.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Damn...
could you imagine if they signed Byrd for 18-20 mil how overpaid their OF options would be?
Soriano, Bradley, Fukudome, and Byrd. Ouch.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Giants perhaps
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 15, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
What about the Angels?
They love the OF that Texas doesn’t want anymore. Plus, wasn’t Byrd an Angel killer?
an overpaid GMJ and Byrd in the same outfield
I would think the Angels learned the first time.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
still think thats where he ends up
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
There are a lot of stupid GM's in the league,
but Gary Matthews is killing Byrd right now.
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
I don't think he's directly to blame
I think Marlon Byrd is what he is, a second tier guy, and now that Mike Cameron is off the market I expect quite a few teams will now be linked to Byrd.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I agree with the statement
Byrd is in a very similar situation to GMJ. Career year late in his career in Arlington. Looking for one big FA contract to end his career. Byrd will end up with some money, but nowhere near the 5 for 50 GMJ got.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I think it may be safe to say
that the White Sox now have the most underachieving outfield in the league.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
THAT'S THE PART THAT THREW ME OFF!
He said ‘Sure, the Rangers hit Lee well…. they hit Halladay well…’
I was like… ‘….i know that…’
I can't blame em. I was stumbling pretty hard.
I too was surprised they left me on that long. Had they left me on longer i would have taken his ass to town with UZR
You do win.
Norm just displayed some massive ignorance there.
by brettgardner on Dec 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think once you mentioned OPS off the top
he was thrown off
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
I rec'd this
for its simplicity, truthfulness and overall win-ness.
"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009
overthinking?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
wouldn't be
the worst thing if it happened. It’s not like he did much to wrap up a starter’s spot, assuming the team is trying to win in ’10.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
but who would you rather have in there?
Harden Feldman
Hunter, Harrison, McCarthy? Maybe Feliz?
I guess we’d have to get another pitcher and whoever that is wouldn’t be a lock to be better than Holland. As it stands, Holland could easily be the second best out of the 2nd group
Yeah, His Velo has been Up
And his Strikeouts haven’t been. I want nothing more than to see Matt Harrison succeed and I’m not giving up hope. Having said that, I think you’ve got to start him in AAA and make him let you know when he’s ready for the Majors.
if you are waiting for good strikeout numbers
that may never come. His dominant complete games stretch didn’t really feature that
But don't you think that his dominant complete games stretch
Was a bit of a fluke? He didn’t seem dominating to me if I remember correctly.
sma.. sample. size.
it was FIVE starts.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
i don't know
it was only 3 games (a 5ip start to start it) so sure. but its not like i watched it thinking “fluke.” He had high velo and people weren’t making good contact
It was a long time ago
So I’m not going to pretend like I remember everything about each game, but I just remember thinking that the shoe is going to drop at any moment. And it did.
well I'm just spitballing
letting Cahill choose. Is there some other candidate?
Harrison’s velo has been up in recent reports
Pitch to contact
that what it’s all about.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think
Harden/Feldman/Hunter/Harrison/Wilson is always an option. or McCarthy instead of Harrison or Wilson.
I don’t have a problem with Holland in the Rotation, but I don’t see why you would write his name in the rotation in pen right now.
Its not like sending down a young, but erratic starter is a death sentence. Ask Greinke or Halladay or numerous others who flashed a little talent, then got sent down.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
well i agree with all of that
but seems like if you had to guess what the rotation would be, the ones with holland look a lot better than the ones without.
i think the best rotation is
harden/feldman/hunter/holland/
and then pick one of
harrison/mccarthy/wilson/feliz
all of who have question marks because they are coming off either injury or have yet to be stretched out
can anyone express to me why we are even considering moving
CJ to the rotation — its not like our bullpen has guys just sitting around who are proven bullpen guys
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
because of a pitcher is good and can handle the rotation
I’d rather see them for 150IP than 80IP. good enough?
so
80 IP @ 165 era+ > 150 ip @ 100 era+?
i disagree with that
its kind of like joba – why yank him back and forth?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
that is a big assumption
the drop in ERA+. I dont’ think using a logarithimic assessment really captures what is going on. Consider that Feldman had a 3.3 WAR while CJ had a 2.0 WAR
well fwiw
feldman’s era+ was 114
to me, we just have enough options in the starting rotation to chance blowing up the bullpen — i cant see them moving CJ AND feliz out of the pen into the rotation, and id rather them put feliz —> rotation than CJ
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I don't necessarily think
Holland makes any rotation look better. 8-13 with a 6.12 ERA doesn’t say “guaranteed anchor of the rotation” to me.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
how dare you
holland was better than roy halladay over 5 starts right after the trade deadline. hes guaranteed to be the best pitcher in the history of baseball!
/way too many LSBers last year
holland < feliz
why anyone would rather move feliz than holland is beyond me…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I still am happy
we didn’t trade Holland or anyone for Halladay. Tough to look at last year’s offense down the stretch and think Halladay would have made a difference.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
do you think 1.5 yrs of holland > 1.5 yrs of halladay?
halladay wouldnt have helped last year but is there any question he would have THIS year?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
why
1.5 years of holland? I believe we have him for 6 years. Realistically the equation was 20 or so years of player control (Holland, Smoak, etc.) for 1.5 years of Halladay.
We would have been trading 20-30 years of player control for 1.5 of Halladay, and a half year of Halladay’s would be wasted last season. Unless the offense is upgraded, the 1 year next year would also be wasted.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
im saying ONLY those 2
ppl were talkinga bout how holland was going to be better than halladay over the next yr and a half.
ONLY holland
ONLY halladay
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Are you confusing
Jamey Newberg with rational fans?
Personally, the only thing I was bummed about at the trade deadline last year was when JD said something to the effect that he didn’t know Cleveland was dealing. I was more interested in CLee and VMart last midseason due to their affordability than Halladay.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
yea getting lee would havebeen a great deal imho
same with v-mart
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
eh?
tom hicks?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
your a moron.
as is anyone who thinks the idea of signing a top 3 all time player at age 26
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks
But to me, a true moron is one who doesn’t know the difference between your and you’re. Or one who can’t form a coherent sentence.
Really showin' your ass today, huh?
So many wrong thoughts…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Nah
he is usually pretty on point. I would wager his baseball knowledge and overall intelligence far exceeds yours. Oh well….
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
The peripherals are great though
With a normalized HR rate, those numbers look a whole lot better (he had a 4.38 xFIP). Some of that was of course on Holland, but I’m willing to assume a guy like Holland will improve in that regard. Now that he is more comfortable pitching against ML hitters, that K/BB ratio is also likely going to go further up.
The more I look at what Holland did last season and what he has done in the minors, the more I believe we’re going to have something special very soon. All those times people throw up Maddux’s start to his career or some other HOF caliber pitcher’s poor start, I think we finally have one that will follow that path in Holland.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I have no problem with the Holland Logic
But I just don’t get why you would put Harrison over McCarthy. At least not until a few weeks into the season when B-Mac gets hurt.
Only reason
I don’t like Mac in the rotation is because I don’t think he gets through 200 innings intact. I could see him getting through 60 innings in the bullpen a little easier.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I can agree with that
But Harrison hasn’t exactly shown himself to be a workhorse. I pray that I’m wrong about Harrison, but I’m just not very impressed with him so far. I get very nervous when he’s on the mound.
You held your own, don't be so paranoid.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I always think of OC
as Towelie
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Towelie says
This thread would be so much better if I were high…
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
well probably aptly sensitive for a stoner
just a question. guess asking about jobs in hard economic times is a no-no
Have you met a pothead before?
They don’t care if its work, school, church, or w/e.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I know 0 potheads
who attend church
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
If you go to church
you know some pot heads…they’re everywhere.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
no
i’d consider 4 or more times a week one though
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
or you own pariphanellia
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
wake and bake style
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
this.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
what's worse
is a lot of them realize it but don’t care to change, that’s the nature of THC
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
Weed is a powerful drug
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 15, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
im recing this because the thought of it was awesome...
is there any way you recorded yourself?
as much as i enjoy the ticket, i def. dont listen for the cowboys sports talk…
by mikeyoungfuturehof on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly,
unless its horse racing, he really doesn’t seem to know much of anything about any sport. He pretty much mails it in now.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Hey now
Norm knows all about Bob’s Steak and Chophouse, or whatever it’s called.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
we were the 5th worst defense in baseball last year?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
that's what I figured, what a lazy turd Norm can be.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, pretty big wrinkle to the Halladay trade involving teh A's
The Blue Jays will trade outfielder Michael Taylor to the A’s for third base prospect Brett Wallace, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney and Jerry Crasnick (via e-mail).
Hmm, interesting
I think I like that for the A’s… Taylor’s a better hitter right now, projects to hit for just as much power, and could play in the COF fairly well, whereas Wallace will likely be a 1st baseman.
by Conjunction on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
x
One member of the Phillies organization tells MLB.com’s Noah Coslov that he doesn’t understand the trade because Michael Taylor is MLB ready now.
pretty big wrinkle?
why do you say that? Wallace is so meh right now…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
is
taylor > wallace on just about every level
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
because it adds to the fact that another player is getting traded
from; the lee/halladay deal and TO our division
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
arg. our division gets worse & worse.
id SO much rather have taylor than wallace.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
interesting viewpoint
@BenBadler Loved the Halladay trade for the Blue Jays. But flipping Michael Taylor for Brett Wallace? Not so crazy about that, if true
not sure i agree w/ it at all.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
just that its a BA guy responding re: prospects
@BenBadler One question nobody seems to be asking: Is Taylor healthy? He had to leave winter ball in Mexico to get his elbow examined
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
i never understand the prospect for prospect trade
especially when it is not a change of scenery trade. Seems like GM’s would be too afraid to do it. You are basically saying to the other GM, I know something you don’t know and knowing full well that he’s thinking the same thing. Seems like it would take a lot of cajones to do that.
both guys are very close to MLB
to me its saying id rather have a corner IF guy than an OF (and they already have lind/snider/wells in OF
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
ok lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Unless maybe
The A’s think that Daric Barton will be their 1B of the future and want to focus more on the OF. The Jays have Snider, Wells, Lind…but no 1B of the future, right? Just a thought, but I get your point.
barton or chris carter or doolittle all could be their 1b
and wallace > cooper (TOR’s 1b prospect)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
well idk if cooper is considered a "top" guy lol
but yea wallace is a good fit for tor…i just think taylor is a great prospect
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I was just saying Tor's Top prospect.
Which is why I didn’t know anything about him. B/c he’s not a top guy.
yup
but then again the tor system was really quite bare before this deal
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
im just posting news
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
to me, it sounds like you’re disagreeing with your previous comment:
taylor > wallace on just about every level
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
i meant with badler at all
bad typing on my end
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
@BenBadler Loved the Halladay trade for the Blue Jays. But flipping Michael Taylor for Brett Wallace? Not so crazy about that, if true
i LIKE the deal for the a’s. considering that wallace probably cant stay at 3b, and they already have a number of corner IF prospects, but have very little in the way of OF prospects i think that its a good deal for the a’s. i also think that if wallace ends up at 1b, and taylor stays in the OF. i think taylor is quite a prospect and maybe better than wallace. its a deal i would make every day of the week if i was oakland.
hows that?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't that what Ben is saying?
He likes the Halladay trade for the Blue Jays, but not crazy about them shipping Taylor to the A’s. Basically, bad for Blue Jays, good for A’s.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
evidently yes
reading comprehension fail on my part.
sorry guys lol finals is getting to me i guess
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
No worries
keep doing what you’re doing.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
again sorry lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
K-Law
Keith Law
Another good move for new Jays GM
“Wallace is a better prospect — much better bat potential, in my opinion. Oakland has a logjam at 1B/DH, so trading him for Taylor makes sense, since Taylor can play the outfield. But in the abstract I’d rather have Wallace’s higher offensive potential.”
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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
what do you think kinslerhomer?
is taylor+defense in OF > wallace offense+1b?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Taylor
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
same here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
From USA Today
ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) — Baseball commissioner Bud Selig called Tuesday a “hard and fast deadline” for Texas Rangers owner Tom Hicks to submit to Major League Baseball a prospective buyer for the team.
The Rangers are the parent club of the AAA Oklahoma City RedHawks.
Selig said on a conference call Tuesday morning that the process “needs to move along.”
But the commissioner acknowledged, without elaborating, that the deadline could pass if there are factors that arise that “frankly need another day or so.”
Hicks has been considering at least three proposals for the Rangers.
Groups headed by Pittsburgh attorney Chuck Greenberg and former sports agent Dennis Gilbert were considered to be the early finalists to buy the AL team. Houston businessman Jim Crane resubmitted an updated proposal last week.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions
Hmmm, this is interesting.
I wish I understood all of this a little bit better. Moreover, I wish that Hicks wasn’t such a clown ass.
who did LSB think would be the best/better buyer?
gilbert/craine/greenberg?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think a lot of people seemed to be rooting for Greenberg.
by FuturePants on Dec 15, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I would just like to know
What each of their budgets will be for the team. It would sure be nice to have an Angels type payroll.
I've been on the Greenberg bandwagon
but I’m on board with Crane if he’s willing to reach into those deep pockets. I fear Gilbert, but after reading Joey’s most recent post at BBTiA, I now feel guilty for feeling that way.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
New stuff from Evan as well
Via email, current Rangers owner Tom Hicks said he would decide by the end of the day on a potential ownership group with which to begin exclusive negotiations on the sale of the Rangers.
Hicks is on his way to NHL owners meetings in Pebble Beach, Calif., and will be tied up with that most of the day.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
i predict
annoucement made at 11:59 :) lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 15, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
if he's tied up with that, why doesn't he just announce before hand
he’s clearly not still looking over financials. and if he was, he’s not going to be able to use only the extra 2 hours at the end of the day to do it.
Who knows?
The whole thing about choosing Crane to allow him time to get his own group together makes me hate him even more…if that is, in fact, what he is doing.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is probably why
ARLINGTON, Texas — Texas Rangers club president Nolan Ryan said he called Tom Hicks on Tuesday morning to let him know that Chuck Greenberg’s group, of which Ryan is a part, was altering their bid.
Article here
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
x
“With the deadline today, I think [Greenberg] was meeting with his investment folk to look at the proposal and see what they might be able to do to enhance it.”
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by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 15, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
hopefully he can sell the NHL team whiles he's up there too
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
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LOL
kinda weird to point this out
The Rangers are the parent club of the AAA Oklahoma City RedHawks.
Why is this here?
That is strange...
They have since removed that line on the USA Today website. They also changed this:
Hicks has been considering at least three proposals for the Rangers.
to this:
Hicks, who is also co-owner of Premier League football club Liverpool, has been considering at least three proposals.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
@Ken_Rosenthal #Rangers “possibly” on Dye or Guerrero even if they get Lowell. Depends on $$$. Source: Lowell chances better than 50-50 but not a lock.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I have a friend who played for Altoona
Said that Greenberg is a solid dude. Not much insight, but better than hearing the opposite.
All this moisture coming up out of the Gulf is gonna push off to the east and hit Altoona.
by brettgardner on Dec 15, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Pal, you got that moisture on your head.
Now you can go back to Punxsutawney, or you can go ahead and freeze to death. It’s your choice. So what’s it gonna be?
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Bout what?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
What's his name?
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Stansberry
The Harvard of the West!
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent
Saved by the bell reference ha
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Can’t find and scouting reports but he’s going to be 28 he had OPS’ of .738 and .752 the last 2 years in AAA and looks like he can’t field good anywhere but 2B. Looks likehe’s a utility INF at best becasue of his bat but because he can really only play 2B he’s going to be stuck in AAA his whole career.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
baseball-reference.com/minors
All they have is Fielding percentage but couple that with him not getting much of a chance to be the UTI guy it would lead me to believe that they don’t like his d.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
But when I talked to him, he feels like he has kind of been screwed by the Padres loyalty to Edgar Gonzalez due to the family ties. When I was living in College Station I was waiting tables and a scout came in and we talked about him. Stansberry played for the Rice World Series team with Sinisi and Janish and Niemann. The scout said that he was the best defensive 3B he’d ever seen at the college level. Then baseball america rated him as the top defensive infielder in the Pirates system a year after he was drafted…….but you’re probably right.
Dude
I don’t know if you should posting things like this
But when I talked to him, he feels like he has kind of been screwed by the Padres loyalty to Edgar Gonzalez due to the family ties
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 15, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure it's well known throughout the org
about Edgar Gonzalez being to the team becasue he’s Adrian’s big bro
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah it's no secret.
The guy is complete trash yet he gets a fair # of AB’s. It doesn’t take an insider to figure that out.
Maybe he'll get his shot
when the trade AGon. Then they’ll have no reason to keep Edgar around…
Or maybe
like Royce Huffman, he’s a career minor leaguer who isn’t getting his shot for a reason. I don’t personally know, I’m just playing devil’s advocate.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 15, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Which poster was it that campaigned for Royce Huffman as the answer at 1B for awhile this summer?
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I don't know
but I heard the same stuff around TCU for the last couple of years about Huffman getting blocked because of this and that. I don’t know the circumstances, but I don’t know why a franchise would bury someone who could help them to make another player a little happier. It’s not like Gonzales will quit if they release his brother.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 15, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
That’s why I wanted another opinion b/c I’m obviously very biased. I will say however, that if you have a choice between Egdar and a guy who’s an upgrade (albeit not an everyday player) you might err on the side of caution to keep your star happy. You never know when you might be asking him to do you a favor.
Isnt Stansberry
a Grapevine High guy?
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I might have said something
about giving him a shot while Young was out and Davis was at 3rd, just because he’d be a better defensive option than Andruw, I think…
Interesting
That’s probably true about Edgar Gonzalez/ A-Gon’s bro thing since Edgar isn’t good
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 15, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
One other thing that I will say about him
He’s definitely a late bloomer when it comes to his development. He hit like .270 as a Senior in High School. I still think he ends up as a utility guy some day, but again, I’m admittedly biased.
Perhaps
But I’d also bet that you’d say that a kid who hit .270 as a high school senior and didn’t have any D 1 schools looking at him would never make the majors.
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"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
@Buster_ESPN Heard this: The final number for Lackey and the Red Sox — $87.5 million over five years, or $17.5 m. a year.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Isnt there an unreal
FA crop next yr? Why wouldnt the Red Sox just go after a Bedard or Sheets type for a one yr deal? I guess unlimited resources allows you to do some stupid things
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Or, OMG(!!!)
Let some of their heralded prospects have a go at it.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Wow, that's worse thant the
82.5 or 83 being reported on the radio. I wonder if they snuck a buyout or something in there.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Fucking.
Ob. Scene.
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by SarasotaRanger on Dec 15, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
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