LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #15
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 18, 2009 4:13 AM CST
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After garnering 25% of 166 votes, Pedro Strop has won the right to be called the LSB Community #14 prospect!
The List So Far:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
#2. LHP Martin Perez
#3. 1B Justin Smoak#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers
#5. RHP Michael Main
#6. LHP Robbie Ross
#7. RHP Wilmer Font
#8. RHP Danny Gutierrez
#9. RF/DH/1B Mitch Moreland
#10. LHP Kasey Kiker
#11. SS Jurick Profar
#12. C Max Ramirez
#13. RHP Blake Beavan
#14. RHP Pedro Strop
Time to move on to the vote for #15.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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Probably Mendonca.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Yah, unfortunately our trend of picking 3b in the second round hasn't netted us shit as of late.
Here’s hoping Mendonca can make enough contact to at least be a trade chip or something, cause West and Whittleman are the suck. .
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Dec 18, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
I had high hopes for West this year
and he was absolutely terrible
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well, technically, Chris Davis was picked as a 3b.
That’s the best that can be said about the Rangers’ 3B picks… They got a guy who might be able to crush but whose really a 1B.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
that was my thinking too
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 18, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
Im not a beltre believer either,
So I really dont know who to vote for. I’ll go with Telis
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I dont understand the Pedro Strop fascination...
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
Strop
He’s got some talent, keep in mind he has only been a pitcher for a few seasons after being converted from a position player.
Just read this from the Newberg report after signing him
In 13 innings for Casper of the rookie-level Pioneer League in 2006, Strop brandished a mid-90s fastball with late life, a plus slider, and a nasty splitter, giving him (as Baseball America described it) “three swing-and-miss pitches.”
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Exactly
I dont think he has a lot of control… Its just not there yet… I just wouldnt have put him at 14
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
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by PM Productions on Dec 18, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
he needs to improve his control, but I'll take the lights out stuff
over a guy like beavan who can’t miss a bat to save his life
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
So if Strop improves his control and beltre improves his plate discipline whos the better prospect?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i have to take in likelihood and effectiveness
Strop can be much more effective with just a little bit more control. Beltre has a long ways to go, and seems more like a longshot at this point to me.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Sure why not?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
OK
And in 4 years when Beltre is Strops age I bet its feasible that he could be a very good outfielder for us
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I see the difference
I just don’t think its a big as others do. I believe that Beltre will put it all together
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Before he hits MiLB FA?
That seems like long odds at this point, sadly.
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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
The Thing About Beltre...
When the vote for #14 was going on, you made a note that Engel Beltre had led the Midwest League in hits in 2008. I think that’s right, but for some reason, when that was being mentioned last year, it actually discouraged me about his prospects. When something like that is played up, I’m always unsure if it’s hiding a deficiency in a guy’s game.
In 2008, Beltre was healthy, played the entire season in the Midwest League, batted leadoff about 95% of the time, and walked about 2% of the time. A guy who does that should lead the league in hits.
When the writers started playing up Beltre’s leading the Midwest League in hits, it made me think about the times when there was a lot of talk about German Duran’s defensive versatility and how he was going to even try his hand at catcher. It seems that all that talk just hid the fact that Duran wasn’t good enough to be talked about as someone who could cement a spot in the lineup.
Frankie Francisco. C.J. Wilson. Neftali Feliz. Darren O'Day. Pedro Strop.
American League Teams simply know them as "The Basterds."
by YourNameHere on Dec 18, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Beltre doesn't have that long
and Strop has only been pitching in professional baseball as long as Beltre has been in our system
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think Strop is too high as well. With the depth of talent in the Rangers prospect ranks, I have a hard time
with a reliever ranking this high. I can imagine a reliever who would have a clear chance to be a dominant closer being ranked this high. For example, if Scheppers were being considered as a reliever by the Rangers, I think he would be a great fit in the 8-12 rank. But, Scheppers will be developed as a starter, so he’s much higher in the ranking. Strop is not in the same class as Scheppers. I think of Strop as ranking somewhere in the 18-22 range, once we get past all of the high ceiling position and starting pitching prospects.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Eh, I dunno.
Proximity matters. The idea that he could refine his command enough to be a late innings guy, perhaps taking Feliz’s spot, is what so enticing about him.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 18, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
This is how I feel
I don’t see how he’s ahead of a lot of guys on the list now
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It's pretty silly to talk about "fascination"
when you’re talking about any team’s 14th ranked prospect.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Exactly...
I think some people need to head over to the local second-hand bookstore and peruse Baseball America’s Prospect Handbooks from five or more years ago and take a look at the major league careers of teams’ 14th best prospects past.
Frankie Francisco. C.J. Wilson. Neftali Feliz. Darren O'Day. Pedro Strop.
American League Teams simply know them as "The Basterds."
by YourNameHere on Dec 18, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
went with Poveda here
he has been successful at every stop. this year in AA was his first in which his K/9 took a hit. He’ll be in AAA next year, and like everybody else in our system, he’ll be young for his league.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
How do you decide between...
…Poveda and Moscoso?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 18, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
age is a big factor to me
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I really like Moscoso
and he is quite good at missing bats, but he is 4 yrs older and his health is still a question mark, but I could go with either one here as he finally made it through a full season with 126 IP, by far the most innings of his career. His numbers are probably some of the most impressive left by any of our prospects. Injuries are a concern especially with pitchers. (*disclaimer: although Scheppers gets rated quite high based on stuff, so based on stuff Moscoso could easily be voted here)
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Ok, so here's the scenario:
Say sometime in June, the Seattle weather finally gets to Ichiro and he suddenly goes off the deep end and believes he is a Samurai, indiscriminately whacking at Rangers starting pitchers’ arms. All of a sudden, most of the starting rotation is on the DL and you need to go into your minor league depth.
Who gets called up first? If left in the rotation, who would do better this year, Poveda or Moscoso?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 18, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
It's not just about who would be the first callup
in that scenario — Scheppers and Perez would be less valuable than Moscoso.
although, it is really funny picturing Ichiro losing it and going samurai with his bat. I’ll just hope that he does it to the Angels instead.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Beltre again
Hopefully he gets on here then itll probably be Telis for me next
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Telis... boy can hit.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Beltre then Telis then EE
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Boscan...What Happened
He was looking top ten earlier this season…something happen that I missed?
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he got injured
when he came back, he wasn’t the same. I still hold him in high regard, but we’ll have to see him in higher levels.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Guys like Boscan don't have much room for error
The scouting reports on Boscan have never made him out to be one of the system’s most talented pitchers. What he did have to go on though was that he was getting the results you’d want from any pitcher and was still young. Like NothinG said, he got hurt and then didn’t get the results anymore. Without the numbers backing him up, Boscan doesn’t have much over the other guys on this list.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Something prospect-related that just occured to me ...
With CG cutting checks this summer, draft day might take on a different flavor – confidence that we can sign any talent that’s demanding overslot money. Maybe we don’t have to be as prudent with the carryover pick as we thought we would need to be – taking the sting out of the Purke-fail a little.
last year, the Purke fail was only part
of the package of draftees that we failed to sign. We signed less than any other team — by far.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Toolsy outfielder
Beltre vs. Velazquez.
Velazquez is about a 1.5 years older than Beltre due to being an idiot in Puerto Rico but is also said to be a 5-tool player (gets thrown around alot). At least Rangers scout Frankie Thon said this in this article:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/jul/28/taking-advantage-of-second-chance/
Seems to have a fair amount of power and gets on base (.296/.363/.514 mostly in Spokane).
I know Beltre’s struggles (.223/.278/.318 mostly in BAK) are well documented but is said to have enormous potential and is possesses 5-tools (there is that phrase again).
For the much more knowledgable, how much difference is there between these two in regards to being a prospect?
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--Seneca
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