MB to M's is easy to counter
by clark on Dec 18, 2009 1:45 PM CST
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PrintI have seen a lot of hand wringing over this Milton Bradley to the M's business. Is $15M a year for Milton a better deal than $12M a year for Carlos Silva? Yes. But it is still $15M a year for Milton Bradley, who has NEVER LEFT A TEAM ON GOOD TERMS IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE. As much as we've all made of Lowell's veteranocity, whatever MB has in that category has to be counted as a negative on his total value.
But that's not the purpose of this thread. I would like to direct everyone to this article:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dh-jobs-becoming-scarce
There simply aren't many teams still looking for DHs now that the Angels signed Matsui, the Yanks signed Johnson, the Orioles signed Atkins (and have Luke Scott) and the Mariners traded for MB (and have Griffey). So guys like Thome and Vlad and Glaus are no longer legitimately "looking for two year deals" or the "best fit". They are looking for jobs. Guaranteed major league paychecks. That's it. And we are one of the only teams that still can find a use for an offensive weapon with no defensive home. I know JD is averse to pure DHs. But if we are looking at Vlad for $4M or Thome for $2.5 (and even those numbers may be high at this point) then of course we take on a true DH.
And let's face it, there's a better than decent chance that Vlad gives us a lot more for $4M than MB gives the Mariners for $15M.
It looks like Jack Z may not be the only beneficiary of happenstance this offseason.
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Are you talking about IF
the Lowell deal doesn’t happen?
Because if it does happen, I don’t think they add a true DH.
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i am starting to have serious doubts
that it will ever happen. the situation reminds me of the Sheets situation last year. When info disappears into a black hole and things start to stall, that’s usually a pretty bad sign.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
agreed
what convinces me is not so much the odds that various interested parties have placed on the deal happening, but the direction those odds have been heading.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 18, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
A few questions:
Are there any other teams rumored to be in on Vlad except us? I heard the Yankees were but now they have Johnson.
How much do you think Sheets, Bedard and Duch will cost? Could we not get Duch for 1 year/ 3 mil?
I have not heard a single other team in on Vlad
besides him reupping with the Angels if he can’t get two years, but the Angels went ahead and replaced him anyway, so I think that fallback option has disappeared.
If the Rangers came to him with an offer of $4M guaranteed to go with 500+ ABs in the 4 or 5 hole for him to try to get a bigger deal next year, I just can’t see him turning that down.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Sign Glaus
and call it an off-season.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Glaus vs Vlad
is an interesting debate. Glaus has more value in that can still play in the field at a (perceived) area of need this year. However, he is a major injury risk, much moreso than Vlad or Dye, and this team can only afford to introduce so much risk to their projections this year.
I really can’t see Vlad, Glaus or Thome signing for more than $4M at this point. Dye is a wildcard because he can still play OF and teams like the Braves and Mets will be looking if they miss out on Bay and Holliday.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Glaus
He was injured last year, yes.
But, in the 4 years prior to that, he played an average of 142 games per season. He’s only 32 years old.
He clearly isn’t the hitter he was back in 2000 or 2001, but he is only a few years removed from a 38 HR season. If he could be had for a reasonable 1 year deal, then I’d favor him over Vlad or Lowell.
Thome is better than all 3, but the general consensus is that this team needs a RH bat to put in the middle of the lineup.
if the Lowell deal falls through
and Glaus’ medical records check out, then yeah, sign me up for Glaus.
If we end up trading for Lowell, all bets are off. But JD will have A LOT of questions to answer if he ends up sending Max Ramirez off to get Mike Lowell at $3M if Vlad or Glaus end up signing for only a million more.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Glaus wants to start in the field. He doesn't want to be a full-time DH.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Red Sox?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 18, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
he would make some sense for the Twins
but they do have Brenden Harris around.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Angels seem commited to Brandon Wood
and the Cards seem more interested in retaining DeRo. They’ve made it clear they don’t want Glaus back.
Mariners are still trying to bring back Branyon and LaRoche is still on the market.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Cardinals....
If they sign DeRo, it will be to play LF. If Holliday falls to their price range, they won’t sign DeRo.
If David Freese can stop getting DWIs then he is penciled in as the 3rd baseman.
the whole idea
is to move Lowell so Youk can play 3B and Kotchman can play first…that is, until they go sign Beltre…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Gonzalez isn't going anywhere...
at least ‘til the trade deadline. The Padres would be crazy to trade him now. He’s still under contract for the next 2 years at a total of around 10 mil. Combine that with the fact that he’s the only player on that team that anyone would pay to go see and the Pads would be crazy to deal him before the season imo.
Boston would have to give up their entire farm just to get SD to think about it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Probably something like...
Ellsbury, Buchholz, Bard/Bowden, Kelly, and Anderson.
I guess that’s not really the entire farm since only Anderson and Kelly aren’t in the bigs right now, but you get the point. It would be a very expensive deal for Boston. SD doesn’t have to deal him right now and would have to be very overwhelmed to do so.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Forgot about Beltre
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 18, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
And I want a pony.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Dec 18, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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by t ball on Dec 20, 2009 6:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, a healthy Vlad hitting in RBiA would be fun
Id love that… I do hope we look that way if/when this Lowell trade falls apart
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
and he would add some good comic relief
getting to watch him run all the time…if that’s considered running.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Dec 18, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
or add to the Rangers frustration
of free swingers. GDTs would be filled with irate posts about how he swings at everything
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think i speak for everyone on here when i say
we need to make a play on Manny. yeah he’s 25 mil but he could fill in at short and 3rd. play leftfield, be the primary dh and be our fulltime closer. yes bringing the dh into pitch would cost us our dh if it went to extra innings, but does anyone really think Manny would ever blow the save?
Could you speak for everyone but me, please?
by brettgardner on Dec 18, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
That
made me spit part of my Subway sandwich out. Well done sir.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it matters
…if Bradley leaves teams on good terms or bad. It’s likely (though not certain, I guess) that he will make the Mariners a better team next year, much like he made the Rangers a better team while he was here. And that’s bad news for everyone who plays against them. His value is not negative, then.
Seattle’s starting to become a very clear favorite to win this division. You may be right that some of the other DH choices are seeing their options narrow. I just wonder how much the Rangers will be able to spend.
this situation with our rivals improving sucks
and since we arent going to be able to afford Manny as our dh/ss/3b/closer we probably wont be able to counter the M’s bradley deal. No doubt he helps their team. Has anyone noticed though that noones bringing up that the harden move isnt the only reason our team is going to be better next year. At the very least one of hamilton, kinsler and davis are going to be significantly better than last year( most likely 2 of the 3). on top of that, michael young aside, who missed almost 30 games, everyone else figures to take a step forward because of how young they were with the gained experience. I realize the pitching last year exceeded our expectations. maybe the same guys cant duplicate what they did last year, but who cares. we have so many young guys vying for few enough spots that even if some of last years fall back down, the staff as a whole should atleast be as effective as it was last year if not more.
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