Scott Rolen signs extension with Cincy through 2012

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That's why they're the Reds

by chrisR on Dec 19, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions

Looking at this deal it seems that a lot of it was about lessening the financial impact this season.

I think it’s dumb to pay him 8mm for 3 years rather than 11mm for this one, but my guess is the reduction in immediate financial impact played a huge part in this.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions

Hasn't the MLBPA gone up in arms

If a player accepts a lesser contract on an annual basis?

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

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~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Dec 19, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

I wonder if this was driving force behind masking some of the money as a "signing bonus".

It’s spread out over the three years according to the article and there’s zero interest, so perhaps this is their way of circumventing the union’s objections?

They can point to the bonus and say, “No, look, with the bonus he’s still making 11mm this year” even though everyone involves knows he won’t actually be getting it all this year.

I just kind of thought it sounded too easy that his salary this year plus the “signing bonus” totaled to pretty much exactly what he’d otherwise be getting this year.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

I think this deal is rather short-sighted. If the Reds were to take the buyouts for Arroyo and Harang, the Reds would have had about $30 million coming off the books (not including arbitration bumps). Plus, next year’s FA class is much stronger. So yeah, the immediate financial impact must be the driving force for this deal.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 19, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed it's likely short sighted, but the Reds likely see themselves as contenders right now.

If freeing up an extra 3mm makes them players for a key FA or gives them the abilty to add salary via trade, then I can understand I guess.

They have some nice pieces in place.

Rolen/Bruce/Votto/Phillips/Stubbs on offense.

Coco in the pen.

Harang/Arroyo/Cueto/Volquez/Bailey in the rotation.

They need some helps obviously, but the Central ain’t exactly the AL East. Health for Volquez and Cueto and a rebound/step forward for Jay Bruce and Brandon Phillips and they’ve got a chance I’d say.

I’d be trying to add a good veteran LF’er if I was them.

Maybe this money will allow them to get Dye or Byrd or maybe even Damon.

Or maybe they’re just idiots.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.

by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions

Stubbs?

by chrisR on Dec 19, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions

I know he's a high risk to bust because of the strikeouts, but last year he was pretty darn good.

He really impressed me when he came up last year.

He profiles as a Mike Cameron-type… a good/great defensive CF who walks a lot and hits for decent power, but strikes out a lot and hits for a low BA.

Granted it was only 40 games, but he put up a UZR/150 of 28.5 (according to fangraphs) with an OPS of .762.

If we got anywhere close to that out of Julio Borbon this year wouldn’t you cream into your hand and throw it at the mailman in a fit of joy?

I would.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Oh man

D-Tron, I’ve missed your priceless commentary like:

…wouldn’t you cream into your hand and throw it at the mailman in a fit of joy?

Nobody on this site can match your poetic turn of phrase.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 19, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

LSB's Shakespeare, he is.

Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.

by Aquaman, Esq. on Dec 19, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

Heh, thanks.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.

by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions

I'd hate to be the mail man on your route

Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."

by red3biggs on Dec 19, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, and when did Nick Masset turn into a dominant reliever?

I just looked at his stats and, wow.

This is interesting…

His AVG Fastball Velocity / K’s per 9 innings / BB’s per 9 innings:

’07: 91.6 mph / 4.81 / 5.95
’08: 91.9 mph / 6.24 / 3.77
’09: 94.5 mph / 8.29 / 2.84

So now he’s awesome.

Good for him.

* (He also threw 94mph in ‘06, but it was only 8 innings and he wasn’t K’ing anyone so I didn’t think it was too significant)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions

what are the stats on his other 20 pitches?

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Dec 19, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

It just says "SOL" next to the other 19 on fangraphs.

At first I figured it meant “Shit Out of Luck”, but then I remembered this is Nick Freaking Masset we are talking about here and so it might mean “Speed Of Light”.

Either way I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s the Barbaro of being awesome at pitching.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 19, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions