Mike Lowell Needs Surgery, Trade Between Texas and Boston is Off
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 19, 2009 10:09 PM CST
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PrintEvan Grant is reporting that Mike Lowell has a torn ligament in his thumb which will necessitate surgery that will sideline him from 6-8 weeks.
That surgery apparently has killed the much-discussed trade between the Rangers and Boston, whereby Lowell was going to come to Texas in exchange for Max Ramirez.
Thus, the Rangers are back in the market for a righty bat to split DH duties with David Murphy.
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and he didnt wanna come here anyways
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
I want Vlad, then Dye, then Pujols
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions
yes you would
but you would give up the farm for Pujols, and I wouldnt do that over acquiring one of the other guys.
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 20, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
So, was there a wink-nod betwen Theo and JD
tht the Rangers would be the guys to find this, so they can sign Beltre?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
They being the Sox in this insane conspiracy theory
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
yep…this was the reach-around after the cornholing JD gave them on the Gagne trade
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
by 8legs2fangs on Dec 20, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
is Elin Woods
right handed and can she play third?
Who gives a shit what Josey says.............................
by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Dec 19, 2009 10:31 PM CST reply actions
Hamilton might enjoy left field just a bit more....
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
Christmas
comes early.
Cooler heads prevail.
Again, Vlad by Tuesday.
They’ve been talking with their targets this whole time I’m sure.
What options does Vlad really have left? Not the yankees, not the redsox, not the angels, etc., etc… I need to look it up precisely but there arn’t any playoff locks with a lot of money to spend left anyway.
Of course not everyone actually wants vlad, but i bet the rangers do as far as the options left.
the preceding post was a great success.
who is going to give him a 3b job?
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Twins or A's could I suppose
He’d fit nicely in the Giants lineup too, although I’m guessing they’d stick him at first and keep Sandoval at third if they got him.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I have an option
Go get Dean Palmer!
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Elijah Dukes!
Come on down ..
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 19, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions
Hmm? Who was your suggestion in mind, Mikel?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
The young Milton Bradley.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I don't think Milton was ever in trouble with the law
not really the same thing at all
Yeah, Dukes isn't as good a hitter as Bradley either.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Dukes would be the perfect OF to add
but I’m not sure what it would cost. Still, as others have said, he is basically another version of MB…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I'd rather not have a guy on the team
with numerous assault and battery charges and who threatens to kill his wife.
and he just lost his dad
to poor medical examination where he was incarcerated. the guy has had a tough life, but the team that gives him enough chances will be richly rewarded.
possibly even hamilton style.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I could see Wash really infuencing a turning of Dukes
Good mentors in baseball for these players from urban shitholes are hard to find, and MLB history is littered with its remains. (see doc, Darryl, gameboard, dukes just off the top of my head. )
I dunno, but blind of stats just watchn them play ball I think I would rather have a dynamic player in dukes mold than a guy like murph. And his toolset.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Dec 20, 2009 11:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like Lowell better than most,
but the way the DH market is playing out, this is probably a good thing.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 19, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions
Bring on Vlad the Impaler.
I know he’s not the example we want to present to the young guys as far as patience and pitch selection is concerned, but if we can get him for 4-5 mil as a DH i would be very excited. He’s just one of those guys that can strike fear in the heart of the opponent. Like a 2005 Gary Sheffield. I think he’s still got another good year or two left in him.
So, who would the collective like to see brought in?
Thome? Vlad? Gomes? Garko?
I’m going with Thome, personally. His plate discipline remains phenomenal and he can bring the power fairly decently. He’s the most defensively limited of the group, but that’s not too much of a factor for me when I consider a DH.
Garko or Glaus.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Vlad or Glaus
as I said in my “MB to M’s is easy to counter” thread, guys like Glaus and Vlad just don’t have many options left. I know we are supposedly only looking for a platoon split, but let’s face facts here. Signing a guy like Garko or Gomes isn’t going to put us over the top. We need a true impact DH to stick in the middle of our lineup. I will echo DShep here and say that I predict we sign Vlad to a one year deal for around $4.5M within 48 hours…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
But
It sounds like they’re not looking for a strict DH.
by brettgardner on Dec 19, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
If that is indeed the case
Glaus and Cantu probably jump to the forefront.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
I'll admit
My pants my fly around a little if we get Glaus.
by brettgardner on Dec 19, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
He's basically what the Rangers where looking for in Mike Lowell
Only good at baseball.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
IF his shoulder doesn't fall off when he makes a throw.
He could just as easily be the next Hank Blalock.
we keep hearing that
but I think the rest of our position players are versatile enough that we can overcome adding a true dh like Vlad IF the money made sense.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Well
I think the versatility talk was mainly for the infield, which I don’t think is all that versatile.
by brettgardner on Dec 19, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well
We still really do need a backup SS and a backup CF. Even if it’s only 20 games a year or something, your defense is taking a huge hit when Elvis/Kinsler/Borbon need days off if you try and use Face and the Gritmaster 7000 as backups at those positions.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Shit, hit post too soon
Amezaga could cover all those positions, and IMO is a key guy to grab since it would allow us to add a true DH and not worry about anything defensively.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
i would be all for it
if we can add Amezaga. But for the record, I’d like to see Jeff Fiorentino brought in to battle with Brandon Boggs to be the 5th OF, and I have a feeling, if he proves defensively capable, then we will see Joaquin Arias given every opportunity to win the utility role.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The only utility roles Joaquin Arias should be eligible to win are at McDonalds.
Fiorentino might be a nice NRI though.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
i have a feeling
Arias could be a pleasant surprise next year. I think he’s finally healthy and fully capable of handling that role.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I literally saw nothing out of Arias last year that would make that any kind of a reasonable notion
But, then again my hatred for Arias is pretty unreasonable, even for this ole’ blog, so… there’s that
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Maybe if he's injected Barry Bonds entire medicine cabinet into his ass
Seriously though, his arm has been so terrible for so long, I don’t see any reason expect it to suddenly be capable of playing shortstop.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Get that McD job and then talk...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
hehe
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Vlad
maybe Glaus, but definitely not Thome or Garko.
why not Thome or Garko
and why Vlad over those guys. Vlad is on him way down in a big way, and exactly the opposite of what this team needs.
Who is still looking for a DH btw? Oakland, TX, and ?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Vlad is on his way down, maybe
But so is Thome, and Garko has never been up to begin with… its all relative.
the preceding post was a great success.
I suppose so
I hate bargain bin shopping in the clearance aisle
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
FA shopping outside of the bargain bin ain't that great either
Who are we missing out on because of money? Holliday and Bay, but are those guys going to be worth what they get? Highly doubtful. Who are these great players that we can’t afford right now?
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Agreed
Any good trade candidates you can think of?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Dunn
That’s who I would want as our DH. He fits this team pretty damn well, and would crush at the ballpark. He’s a liability to Washington on defense, who has said they aren’t interested in some players because they want to get better defensively. It’s all about money though. Dunn is owed 12M this year and will be a FA after the 2010 season.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Sign Garko for cheap...
If used as a platoon with Murphy he’d be awesome. Then use whatever change is in the couch cushions for an innings eater.
I’m not counting on any of this to happen.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 20, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
I'd go with Garko, or a trade for Cantu.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Vlad vs a platoon righty
Its a lot easier to acquire someone a platoon righty midseason than a legitimate DH.
If vlad does get injured, I don’t think it would be that hard to work out something for a garko type to platoon with murphy.
I’d rather give vlad a shot and fallback on that option than start with it.
Now the problem would be if he is healthy enough to play but not healthy enough to perform as a decent DH, which has a decent shot of happening.. but given the options I still like the risk.
the preceding post was a great success.
I want Vlad as well....
Hitting in our park…..I could see him having a very good year,
My next choice would be Glaus.
by death of the cool on Dec 20, 2009 12:03 AM CST reply actions
no kidding
I don’t see Vlad as the answer here, but maybe he gets a fire under his ass because he is going up against the Angels. That is the only hope that I would see. The guy is injury prone, and his numbers are declining every year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
not that different in his last two good years =)
2008: .886 ops overall, .833 vs the rangers
2007: .950 ops overall, .961 vs the rangers
the preceding post was a great success.
Then There Was Last Year...
Vladimir Guerrero:
2009: .794 OPS overall, 1.012 against the Rangers
Frankie Francisco. C.J. Wilson. Neftali Feliz. Darren O'Day. Pedro Strop.
American League Teams simply know them as "The Basterds."
by YourNameHere on Dec 20, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Ah but that wasn't against the atrocious ranger pitching of the past =)
Beating our defense and pitching last year, credit to vlad!
the preceding post was a great success.
Oh, and one thing on lowell
The reports had him meeting with the front office as well as getting checked by a doctor.
Pure speculation, but I have a sneaking suspicion the FO asked him how he felt about coming here and if he would be comfortable without an everyday role, and that if he had been receptive they would have accepted the trade anyway and then signed a thome or cust to pair with him.
the preceding post was a great success.
Crisp supposedly close with the A's for ~5 mil
Fine with me..
the preceding post was a great success.
Guess they don't expect Raji Davis's .366 BABIP to carry over, heh.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
If they don't want Raja Davis
I’d sure as hell take him off their hands.
We have a Raji Davis, his name is Brandon Boggs.
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"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
If the A's really aren't hot on the guy
you could probably even trade David Murphy for him.
Nah, they're swimming in OF's if they get Crisp
Beane really doesn’t need another marginal COF who can’t really play center.
Apparently they need a 3B or a SS. Neither of which we have available.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Can Freel play SS while Farney mans 3B?
Two birds, one stone LSJ ..
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Jonny Gomes (already posted in another thread)...
Jonny Gomes seems to hit lefties pretty well. In 2009, against them it was .307/.369/.545. In 2008, he struggled and was at .182/.281/.424 against lefties. But in 2007,he hit .313/.376/.542 against southpaws. For a team going into the season with Chris Davis, Julio Borbon, Josh Hamilton and David Murphy as regulars, a guy who can hit left-handed pitchers seems pretty desirable in my opinion.
Per the USA Today, Gomes likely would have received $2.2 million in arbitration. If the Rangers were already committed to paying Mike Lowell $3 million, I’d think they’d give Gomes a long look now that the Lowell deal has fallen through. Obviously if either Troy Glaus or Vladimir Guerrero is feasible, they do have the track records and they can hit righties, which Gomes can’t.
Frankie Francisco. C.J. Wilson. Neftali Feliz. Darren O'Day. Pedro Strop.
American League Teams simply know them as "The Basterds."
Screw Gomes
The times when this organization should be hunting out for mediocrity and marginal players has passed. People need to get out of that mindset. It’s time to win. If the guy can’t rake then find someone who can or stick with what you’ve got. I’m sure one of our bats in the minors could at least manage a platoon role if it really came to that.
Name the bats in the minors
Ready? Go
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Off the top of my head?
Smoak
Max
Tracy
Did Vallejo get traded or is he still with the club?
Vallejo was traded for Pudge
And his assets where speed and D, not stick.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Vallejo was traded
Point is, there really isn’t a good bat down there right now. Smoak is going to be awesome but he still needs some seasoning. If you can sign a Gomes for a platoon, you do it.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
I seriously doubt Gomes would be any better than those guys in a platoon role
or better enough to make any real impact.
It's just sounds ridiculous to me
that in answer to the acquisitions of Matsui and Bradley, and with a lineup with righties like Kinsler, Young, and Cruz, you think our offensive woes against lefties will be solved with Johnny F’in Gomes???
The first sentance of this comment makes sense
But I’m not sure why you’d rather stand pat than improve the team marginally if that’s what it comes to.
Overall though, I am of the belief we need a lot more than a platoon DH who is useless against righties.
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"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
It's not necessarily standing pat overall.
It’s standing pat until there’s an opportunity to get a real difference maker. The marginal improvement a guy like Gomes might be over a minor leaguer is just not worth it. Especially when of one of the guys in the minors might surprise you.
If what you're saying is we need to go after a potential difference-maker
ie, Glaus or Vlad before we go after the Garkos and Gomes of the world then yeah, I totally agree.
I’m just not sure why you said you’d rather stand pat overall than fill a need with a Garko or Gomes if you can’t land a bigger bat.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
That's essentially what I'm saying
Though I think we should explore the trade market if we can’t sign one of those guys instead of signing a platoon player.
In the 2009 season...
Julio Borbon:
MLB
against RHP: .333/.401/.447
against LHP: .125/.125/.125
MILB
against RHP: .340/.389/.437
against LHP: .265/.343/.315
Chris Davis:
MLB
against RHP: .260/.307/.502
against LHP: .189/.235/.311
MILB
against RHP: .357/.464/.548
against LHP: .260/.296/.460
David Murphy:
MLB
against RHP: .279/.357/.476
against LHP: .235/.274/.353
For reasons that I can’t explain, Josh Hamilton hit much better against lefties in 2009 (.327/.361/.536) than he did against right-handers (.239/.293/.372). In the the previous two seasons, Hamilton was much better against righties than lefties, although he hit a respectable .288/.342/.459 against southpaws in 2008.
That being said, having a guy like Johnny Gomes in the lineup over the guys I just mentioned could really help the team. If Troy Glaus is a real possibility for the team though, I’d go with him before Gomes. Same goes for Vladimir Guerrero, if he’s healthy.
Frankie Francisco. C.J. Wilson. Neftali Feliz. Darren O'Day. Pedro Strop.
American League Teams simply know them as "The Basterds."
by YourNameHere on Dec 20, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone else listening to 13-Sport?
Just spoke to Robert, he is going to keep this going until peeps stop calling. Very refreshing, many Christmas songs you prolly haven’t heard before, evah. I suppose I will turn it off in the morning…too much goodness to turn off.
Podcast on www.unfairpark.com & the Ticket Monday.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Yay!
JD saved from himself.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I don't see why people are thinking like this
if lowell was healthy, this would probably be a fine trade, seeing as how the rangers probably have a good idea about max ramirez (he of the short 1B/DH variety) wrist situation and lowell might have been the cheapest DH candidate out there. given his consistent production, lowell’s health was the only real issue.
Mike Lowell is a poor choice for DH
The Sox need a corner IF and are willing to pay huge money just to be rid of Lowell, that should be a hint.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
by tricer on Dec 20, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly,
the Ramirez thing has little to do with it. Adding Lowell to the roster just gums it up, and doesn’t really bring much value.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
any possibility
that the deal goes thorough but with reworked terms? obviously lowell’s value is diminished, but if the sox footed more of the bill and we gave up a lesser prospect, wouldnt it seemingly make sense to be able to bring a guy like him to ST?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 20, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions
I think it may have been a possibility....
If Lowell actually wanted to come here, but it seems he has made it pretty clear that he does not want to.
I want people that want to be here.
by death of the cool on Dec 20, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
LH SP in the division
Angels – Kazmir, Saunders, plus a LH closer in Fuentes
Mariners – Lee, Fister/French/Rowland-Smith
A’s – Anderson, plus 7 other non-descript LHP on the 40 man roster
Seems like the division has more LH pitching than we’ve seen in a while.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
And it won't matter what we throw at Seattle.
What with Bradley in the middle of a lineup, and guys like Figgins and Ichiro squirreling around in front of him.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Considering the value they place on defensive versatility
..and seem to want to avoid a DH-only guy, I liked the Lowell trade. His ability to back up young and Davis, along with his production after his return, seemed to fit what they were looking for.
Now maybe they try to convince Glaus to come in to fill the same role, which provides some insurance if Davis tanks again.
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
I want Pablo Sandoval
(Except he’s the only Giant who can hit and they won’t deal him). Give SF the choice of Davis or Smoak, two of the uncertain to start pitchers, MaxRam, maybe CJ, and two rail cars of Nolan Ryan beef for resale to SFO gourmet restaurants, as well as exclusive rights to Fox SW Ranger broadcasts so they can still watch their Kung Fu Panda from the Bay area, and I’ll throw in free website admin for the 9th District Federal Court for a year (who could refuse that ??).
Sigh – switch hitter with a very high OPS+ ought to fit right in, yet I’d have to ask if he isn’t pretty much a free swinger? Haven’t checked about that.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
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~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Dec 20, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This move doesn't happen in a vacuum.
Somewhere, you have to factor Justin Smoak into this. If you have a cheaper option who isn’t going to be guaranteed AB’s, it makes it easier to bring up Smoak mid-season and either sit or trade the part-time player to a team looking for a bench bat. Garko would fit into this role.
However, if Smoak is viewed mainly as a backup plan to Chris Davis instead of someone they need to get to the big league team as quickly as possible (with room for a judgement call if Smoak lights up AAA obviously), then it makes more sense to go after a full time DH with Murphy backing up the 2 COF’s and DH.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
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