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Wednesday a.m. Rangers things

Well, we now have some news on the ownership front...

Jon Heyman is reporting that Dennis Gilbert is considered the favorite to end up as the winner in the ongoing buy-the-Rangers derby.  Heyman quotes Bud Selig as saying that it is down to "two or three" groups, and has this to say about the possibility of Hicks retaining the team:

As for what Gilbert would do if he comes on board:

Gilbert . . . will be expected to be a hands-on owner. Assuming the deal goes through, Gilbert is expected to retain the current baseball operations department, led by bright young GM Jon Daniels. Gilbert has said that he hopes current club president Ryan will stay on and that he has no intention to change leadership.

 

My preference is for the new owner to keep Ryan, Daniels et al on board.  However, as I have said before, the possibility that a whole new front office would be brought in is not something that would make me prefer keeping Hicks as the owner to getting new ownership in place.  Given a choice between Hicks staying as owner and the current front office staying, or a new owner and the possibility that the new owner would want to bring in his own people, I'd go with the latter.

Meanwhile, the S-T has a story up about how playoff refunds have finally been issued, and the attendant complaining from fans who have been unhappy with the delays. 

This seems to have struck a chord with some folks, which, given the circumstances, isn't surprising.  Things that can otherwise be innocuous oftentimes get more traction because they seem to illustrate a greater concern.  If John McCain or Joe Biden had referred to "57 states," it would have been an amusing gaffe for a day or two, then people would have forgotten about it.  But because of certain fears or beliefs among some folks about Barack Obama being somewhat alien, different from your "traditional" American, the "57 states" meme had legs because it was suggested he was unfamiliar with a basic bit of information about our country that every schoolchild knows, allowing it to be used as shorthand to show that he's not "one of us."

Similarly, in another situation, the kerfluffle over the delay in refunding folks' money from paying for playoff tickets would probably not be as great.  But this is a team that hasn't even been this close to the playoffs in years, with an ownership that has zero goodwill left with the fan base.  And in the midst of the ongoing public drama of the team's financial situation, and reports that MLB is basically funding and running the team and that the Rangers couldn't even afford to water the grass this summer, the playoff ticket refund issue encapsulates fears that the team has no money, and the sense that ownership really could care less about how it treats the fans. 

Jeff Wilson has a quote from Jon Daniels on offering arbitration to Marlon Byrd and Pudge Rodriguez, saying it is a win-win because the team will either get a compensatory pick or a solid player for 2010.

T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers are planning on basically doing nothing at the Winter Meetings, and instead are going to wait to see who is left out there, desperate and in need of a job, on the eve of spring training.

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The comment about Gilbert being "a hands-on owner" causes concern for me.

Initially, that was Hicks’ biggest problem and with Gilbert’s self-proclaimed declaration that he created the FA system, etc, I’m concerned that he may have a little too much ego for my taste. I prefer an owner that has the capabilities to provide the financial resources the team needs, but lets the baseball people run what we see on the field by staying out of player decisions.

by swampdonkey on Dec 2, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions  

People with egos typically don't tolerate losing...

…hurts their self image. I’d love to have another Jerry Jones or Mark Cuban in town. How rich is this guy? I’d imagine if he also has interest in purchasing the Dodgers, he’s got to have access to a good amount of capital.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

barf
I’d love to have another Jerry Jones

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 2, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

x
I’d love to have another Jerry Jones

That’s my worst nightmare.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

He has his flaws, but he ain't cheap.

Adding 30 million to the payroll (if JD is deciding who to give it to) makes this team a contender IMO.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Jerry is one of, if not the, best owner in the NFL

He just sucks as a GM. If Gilbert leaves JD and Nolan in place, then it could be a damn good thing. I just want whoever owns this thing to give a shit about the product on the field.

by Sherman McCoy on Dec 2, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Hands-on could just mean that he actually cares, unlike a lot of owners of pro sports teams. If he lets JD do his job and opens up the wallet, we’ll be celebrating our first playoff series victory in no time.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Arte Moreno

is hands on, no? I would consider him a good owner.

by JShoe on Dec 2, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Good call.

Moreno was very hands-on in wooing back the fans and also providing his GM with the necessary tools (payroll) to build one of the best teams in MLB over the last 7 years.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The Jones that hired Jimmy Johnson & Bill Parcells

was just fine.

Jerry Jones also made it very clear that he was going to do everything he could to woo the fans back (attendance at Cowboy games was down to 40,000ish when Jones took over) which is something that this organization desperately needs.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

What about the Jerry Jones that hired Chan Gailey and Wade Phillips?

You know, the one that said once the salary cap came into place, he felt he couldn’t trust anyone besides himself to make personnel decisions because they had such a big impact under the cap?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

adam

If this team won three World Series in four years under Gilbert, he’d get a very long leash from me.

Wade Phillips was a much better hire than Chan Gailey. This current Cowboys team is doing okay (they are 8-3 two years after putting up a 13-3 record) but happen to be in a conference with two of the better teams we’ve seen in a long time.

If you’re going to bag on somebody for bad hires, care to discuss JD hiring Ron Washington?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

rclarkjd10, concurring.

I agree with everything about this but that last sentence. There’s nothing wrong with Ron Washington. This team plays very hard and won more games than any of us (realistically) could have hoped for a year ago.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

If you want to talk about poor coaching decisions, focus on RC's man crush on JJ Barea.

I can’t watch games when he’s on the court. These days, that’s making about 30 minutes of each game unwatchable.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

well I guess if you turn a blind eye to all the plays he's made to help

win games lately, that’s easy to do…

I don’t think he’s a perfect player, and I think with Josh Howard back, his minutes go down…but he’s perfect for what we need him for: scoring bursts, taking charges and getting the team back into a game with his speed and energy

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen his plus/minus for the year?

He is a disaster defensively. 15 of the 33 points the Warriors scored in the 4th Quarter a few nights ago were against J.J. Barea. He should not be on an NBA court. Ever. As soon as he enters the game, the opposing coach notices that a midget is on the floor and sends ever play defensively right at him.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw what I saw

Holliday torches Barea; Barea torches Holiday, then takes a charge from him and hits a clutch 3. I’ll take it.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You much be watching sportscenter highlights

Barea blows. He is, without question, the worst defensive player in the NBA.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I have always agreed that this team has played hard

for Ron Washington when they could have cashed in their chips.

Having said that (Curb Your Enthusiasm fans), I think this team has gone as far as they can with Ron Washington. Playing hard for somebody only gets you so far. At some point, you need a manager in the dugout who knows what he is doing with his bully and can trump the opposing manager with superior game strategy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I’m not yet ready to call Ron Washington a strong in game manager. He does seem to get his players to play hard throughout the year, but we had a serious talent infusion, especially on the pitching side, that helped old Ronny win some games this past year.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Talent trumps everything

I didn’t see a lot of people here saying how great the managers of the world series teams were the last couple years, but I saw a lot of complaining about decisions they made on their way to winning.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Pull your head

out of your ass, t ball.

Tony LaRussa, Joe Torre, Terry Francona all get a lot of love from the media, some justified, some not justified.

As a Dodger fan, I like what Joe Torre has done for the Dodgers.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Would the Rangers have been in the playoffs with any of those 3 as manager?

If not, I don’t see where the complaints come from. Ron did one heck of a job with a low budget team.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Impossible to tell

but they would have had a better chance with those three instead of Wash.

What people need to remember is that Wash & JD were both hired, not because they were the best qualified for the job but because they agreed to work cheap.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

The Buck Show

contract payments are finally over.

by 3Bagger on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Cheap doesn't mean they suck, Josey.

Buck and Hart were paid handsomely , and they were both awful.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Buck was awful -

John Hart was so-so but he made some pretty nice trades / drafts and it’s too bad we didn’t get to see Adrian Gonzales, John Danks and more of Chris Young.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

And its a damn shame we do get to watch Elvis and Feliz and Holland though

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I’ll definitely take Elvis/Feliz/Dutch over Gonzales/Danks/CY.

by JBP on Dec 2, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

John Hart

His involvement with the draft during his tenure consisted of hand-picking John Mayberry, Jr.

Fuson did 2002 and 2003, Hopkins 2004 and 2005 (other than the JMJ selection).

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

So who picked Matt Purke?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Nolan

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't know who picked him...

….but Nolan’s business partner is 50% owner of the firm that represented Purke, right?

Prolly thought we had an inside track bc of that, wonder what happened…we’ll never know.

Maybe during you and Galloway’s next email back and forth you can ask and get back to us.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe if he gets the team

we’ll get Purke in 2 years

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we stop bringing up Chris Young by now?

Chris Young
5.49 FIP 2009
4.40 FIP 2008
3.43 FIP 2007
4.60 FIP 2006

Brandon McCarthy
4.70 FIP 2009
5.22 FIP 2008
4.73 FIP 2007
5.30 FIP 2006

Chris Young had one really good season. Otherwise he’s an older Brandon McCarthy.

by Josh Lile on Dec 2, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Chris Young was a good pitcher

in 2006 & 2007 (until skull-fucked by a Pujols line drive). In those two years he had 45 Game Scores of 50+ in 61 starts.

Since said skull-fuck, he’s still put up 21 Game Scores of 50+ in 32 games.

Don’t compare Chris Young to Brandon McCarthy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Young would probably be non-tendered this winter if not previously if he was still a Ranger

The biggest reason people bitch about losing him was because he was from Highland Park and people didn’t like losing a “hometown boy”

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Once again... GS are not built to be a comparative metric

No league or park neutralization.. That is why they have such metrics like FIP

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 2, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for proving my point.

Most managers are overrated if they’re talked about much by the national media. I’m fine with Washington over the likes of Girardi or Joe Maddon. Teams reach the playoffs because of their talent, not their manager.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You're also the person who said

Tom Hicks is trying to keep the Texas Rangers because of his (LOL!)…“pride.”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

And you're the person

who is intentionally misinterpreting what I wrote. Call it ego if you prefer, but I most certainly did not say that he was not interested in keeping the profit potential for himself, or that his pride was some sort of positive thing. I was denigrating Hicks’ character with that post, but since your only thought was to disagree with me and taint my comment you didn’t seem to notice.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

No, a $68 million payroll only gets you so far.

Let’s see what Ron can do with a $100 million one.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

or you need your best hitter healthy

I mean it couldn’t be that we had so many injuries that this team missed the playoffs…could it?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

what's wrong with Wade Phillips?

we’re gonna win it all this year…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The current

Cowboys are in a pretty good spot these days (that’s coming from a non-Cowboy fan).

You have a very good defense, a top 5-8 QB, three good RBs and Pro Bowl TE. Are they going to win the Super Bowl? No, but it’s one of the best teams in the NFC.

This team doesn’t lose players they don’t want to lose. When they have a franchise QB emerge, the owner is pro-active and signs him to a long-term contract.

The fans are very engaged into the team and you aren’t seeing mass apathy from the fans.

Jerry Jones would be better off handing off the GM duties to somebody more qualified but this current Dallas Cowboys team is in a very good place.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

this current Dallas Cowboys team is in a very good place.

They usually are at the first of December. Let’s see how they’re doing at the end of the month. If they stay true to form, now that crunch time is here they will start playing flat and finding ways to lose. If they’ve truly turned a corner, they’ll hit their stride and play well heading into the playoffs. We’ll see.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

They finished with home field advantage in spite of their December finish, not because of it. They had 1 loss when the month began. Including their playoff loss to the Giants, they went 2-3 to finish the season. They played flat the entire month of December and in the playoffs. Study their performance in crunch time in December during this decade—I think you will notice an alarming pattern.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Hold up

So a team that has already clinched home field can’t have a letdown? That December we had nothing more to play for. And we lost to the eventual World Champions so its not like we got taken out by some scrub team.

This December looks like it could be god awful even if we play good. We could play good football and still come out of this 2-3 and people would be bitching about it.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course they could have a letdown.

They had a letdown. And they kept “lettingdown” until a team they’d beaten handily bounced them and their home field advantage right out of the playoffs.

You’re absolutely correct that they could play well with their remaining schedule and go 2-3. If they play well and lose, I don’t have a problem with that. However, their typical Decembers have see flat, uninspired play that result in demoralizing losses. What was so frustrating about their 2007 finish was the way they coasted through the final month. The offense basically took the rest of the season off, performing well against Detroit and absolutely horrible the last 4 games of the season. If they finish 2009 playing with the same fire they brought to the table in December 2007 and 2008, they’re going to be lucky to finish 2-3 and will likely look really, really bad when they lose. Here’s hoping they’ve turned a corner and we won’t have to watch them gasp and die for yet another year.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree 2008 was horrible

But to bitch and moan about 2007 when we had home field sewn up and nothing left to accomplish seems weird to me. And I don’t think you are giving the Giants enough credit for the playoff game. We lost it sure but they also kicked our ass that game. We played well for the most part but the misuse of Braber and Crayton doing what he did really fucked us. I don’t think anything that we did in December had anything to do with why we lost that playoff game.

Would you have been happier had we gone out in week 16 in a meaningless game and gotten Romo hurt or Barber hurt just because we were trying to be impressive?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

If you will recall ...

the first offense played a majority of that godawful Washington game and looked pathetic … a pattern that had emerged since the win over Detroit. If you were concerned about getting them hurt, the answer was to sit them, not have them out there playing at half-speed (a much surer way to get somebody injured). All that game accomplished was taking a demoralized offense and further shattering their confidence, which shone through in the Giants loss (don’t forget that in 2 games during the season, the Pokes put up 76 points on the Giants). I think you’re looking at 2007 through rose colored glasses. The final record was pretty and all, but because of the way they limped to the finish and got bounced out of the playoffs, that 13-3 record looks like a joke. There is a reason that teams coached by the likes of Jimmy Johnson play well in crunch time and teams coached by guys like Cupcake fall on their faces. My problem has never been the result, it was the effort and the way the lost … a pattern that continued into 2008.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Just like to point out...

…that Indy and other teams do it as well. The Patriots didn’t do it in 2007….yet still didn’t win the Superbowl.

I think what the Cowboys are is this: a team with very good starters and very poor depth. In years with good health, like 2007 and so far this year, they have good records. In years like last year where almost everybody was injured, it doesn’t. They aren’t a team like the Colts that can keep putting up 12 win seasons no matter who gets hurt, but hopefully they are proving this year that they aren’t a team like the Panthers.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 2, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Stupid

Complaining that they didn’t go undefeated in December in 2007 is such a stupid complaint. We didn’t go all out for the month because we didn’t need to; we had home field advantage and the division won. Does it matter that they didn’t go 15-1 that year? Absolutely not.

by FuturePants on Dec 2, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

What is stupid ...

is calling an argument somebody else didn’t actually make “stupid”. Where do I argue they should have gone undefeated in December 2007? Just go ahead and quote that section. As I said above, the issue is not that they lost … it’s how they went about it. You are obviously fine with the way they coasted through the finish in 2007, but in hindsight don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, that didn’t really keep them sharp for the playoffs? That ever dawn on you? A team gets into sloppy habits, it shouldn’t surprise anybody that they perform sloppy when it counts. That playoff loss was just the last game in a string of games where they played flat. It comes down to poor coaching and poor leadership.

Now feel free to reword and change my argument however you like so you can respond with some kind of dismissive bullshit.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

What?
Where do I argue they should have gone undefeated in December 2007?

I didn’t say you made that argument. But you DO make the argumen that 2-3 is unacceptable and a “letdown” for that Cowboys team that had it all sewn up.

You are obviously fine with the way they coasted through the finish in 2007,

Absolutely. It’s better than having Romo or someone hurt.

but in hindsight don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, that didn’t really keep them sharp for the playoffs?

No. The offense played really well. The Giants offense played better.

That ever dawn on you?

Sure, I just think you’re wrong.

A team gets into sloppy habits, it shouldn’t surprise anybody that they perform sloppy when it counts.

No doubt, and this year’s team is no different. Too many stupid penalties and it is not going to change. However, like I said, the offense played really well.

That playoff loss was just the last game in a string of games where they played flat.

Not really. Miscues by the Defense and poor tackling and pressure lost that game.

It comes down to poor coaching and poor leadership.

Agreed. Great.

by FuturePants on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We obviously remember very different games.

The offense did not play well in that playoff loss. They were their typical selves, committing drive killing penalties and flaming out before they could get into scoring position. Romo only completed half of his passes and against a team they were averaging 38 ppg against, they scored 17. Look at the December games and the playoff game and you’ll notice how consistently poor they were.

I didn’t say you made that argument. But you DO make the argumen that 2-3 is unacceptable and a "letdown" for that Cowboys team that had it all sewn up.

Actually, you did attribute the “they should have gone undefeated” argument to me when you responded to my post with:

Complaining that they didn’t go undefeated in December in 2007 is such a stupid complaint.

Further, and I’m not sure how many times I have to say this, my problem was with the way they finished, not the record. Teams can play great and lose. Teams can play like shit and win (see the Redskins game a couple of weeks ago). And the notion that having your stars go out and play half-assed will save them from injury is misguided at best. The easiest way to get hurt on a football field is to to not play hard, especially when your opponent is playing full speed. They weren’t crisp at all at the end of 2007. Maybe starting 11-1 got to their heads and they thought they could coast their way to the Super Bowl. I don’t know, but the team that took the field against the Giants in the playoffs looked nothing like the team that built that 11-1 record.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You need to understand something -

Suggesting that 2-3 for that team was unacceptable, or a letdown, or any other negative thing for that team is what’s stupid.

By making that argument, you suggest that home field advantage and winning the division with that December record isn’t good enough. In reality, they were the best. So, 15-1 or 13-3 it doesn’t matter….you complaining about that team and their record is simply retarded.

They were not a letdown; they were the best in the league.

by FuturePants on Dec 2, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

before December

they obviously weren’t the best in the league come crunch time.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 2, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, what is retarded is calling a team ...

that was bounced from the playoffs on their own turf in the divisional round of the playoffs “the best in the league”. They were like the 2007 Mavs, their regular season record was real pretty, and then they became snicker material.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Again you are not giving enough credit to the Giants

They were a pretty damn good team as evidenced by them winning this little game called the Super Bowl against the 18-0 NE Patriots

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, they were a 10-6 team ...

that got on a roll at the right time. That happens sometimes and they deserve accolades for their title, but there is no way they beat a sharp 2007 Cowboys team in January or any other time that season. Luckily for them, they weren’t facing a sharp Cowboys team, they were facing a team stuck in coast mode. But at least the Cowboys didn’t get anybody hurt, right?

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh ok so the Patriots weren't sharp in the Super Bowl?

I mean they had just won 16 straight regular season games and their two playoff games so they must have coasted through that last 2 months of the season right?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

They had a poor game.

The Giants matched up well with them to end the regular season and then Brady didn’t have his usual stellar performance in the big game. That’s why you don’t see many unbeaten teams in the NFL. Every team is capable of having a bad week, the Pats were unlucky enough to have theirs happen in the biggest game of the year and they caught a Giants team riding high.

They didn’t coast at all those last two months of the season. No NFL team is good enough to coast that long and only lose one game (which the Cowboys certainly proved).

Are you willing to go out on a limb and argue that the Giants had a better football team in ’07 than the Pats? Did they have a better team than the Cowboys?

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

no worries.

we got it this year. I have us taking out the Saints in NO. It’s gonna happen.

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like the Cowboys have a lot in common with the Rangers

They look good for two-thirds of the season, fade in the stretch and finish out of the money. And everybody bitches about the coach/manager.

by swampdonkey on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

don't forget that bought-and-paid-for Offensive Line

a top kicker, a top punter and a top kickoff specialist; as well as Terrell Owens while he was here and Roy Williams’ extension (even if it isn’t paying off)

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Stephen Jones is on the NFL's Competition Committee

Just sayin, not many non-decision makers hanging out there

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by Keynes on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I know most are onboard with Greenberg...

…but this guys seems like an ego-maniac. I could see him being a very competitive/win-at-all-costs owner. Might not be so bad, after all, especially if he’s keeping JD and Ryan.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

Or it could mean

He doesn’t want to waste time waiting on Holland and Feliz and Smoak to develop and will mandate to his FO that we get veterans in here. or if a young stud comes up and struggles initially they are sent down for good or traded at their lowest value.

I don’t personally believe that would happen. But what this organization does need is a owner who realizes that the core we have right now and the prospects on the near horizon are what is going to make or break this organization. Unless you are going to pour 150+ million dollars into payroll you are going to have to go with whats already here.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this is definitely less of concern for me considering his background.

An agent/career minor leaguer should have a good grasp of the importance of scouting/farm systems.

by rclarkjd10 on Dec 2, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

i don't mean to get off subject

but how about Ron Artest, everybody?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

nice

sippin on gin & juice at halftime.

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by tricer on Dec 2, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if he did it to deflect attention from Tiger

or if he just wants to air some laundry when it’s a good time for that sort of thing.

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a lot of fear mongering going on around here

regarding the ownership situation. Everyone is trying to use past examples or good/bad ownership from well known examples, but truthfully we know very little about how Greenberg or Gilbert would act as owners, other than both stating that they’d like to bring back our FO.

In fact, I don’t even really know which of these guys has the most loose change in his pocket. Do we know which of these guys is more flush with disposable income?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

fear

Yep, not much substance here or in the media reports about whether or not we should be “rooting” for anything except a quick sale to someone not named Hicks.

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by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Greenberg seems to have more support around here

and I can’t help but think that has something to do with the email he sent to one of our members. It was a nice gesture, but I don’t want to put too much stock in it.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

What prospective owner wouldn’t take the chance to say nice things in a situation like that. It was nice that he took the time to make a detailed reply, though. And if Murray Chass hates Gilbert so much part of me wants to like him just to spite Chass the Ass.

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by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Playoff refunds

Excellent job of detailing ‘the scare’ among fans about getting their money back. It definitely speaks volumes about what the ticket-buying thinks of the people running the show.

by oc on Dec 2, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

"Keeping the Front Office"

seems great. But MLB attrition being what it is, the front office will not last forever anyway.

UNLESS, we become the Twins or A’s.

Sadly, the fans are sort of forced to live with all-this crap. Don’t call me a socialist, because I’m far from it, but, when it comes to these franchises, I’m tired of businessmen “flipping” the Rangers.

by 3Bagger on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

I'll be happy if we can get 3-5 years from the current FO

We’ll either be in fat city by then or bitching for a new owner again.

by swampdonkey on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

The only way JD gets the job in NY

is if Tom Hicks buys the Mets.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

so if we achieve World Series success

and a 3 year run of success in the playoffs, the Mets would be foolish to offer a contract?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So when is that World Series success

and 3 year run of success in the playoffs going to happen?

Until then, the only way JD gets the job in NY is if Tom Hicks buys the team.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

baby steps

playoffs next year, win a series; the next year, advance to the WS

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

JD with $$$

would be a fun “Part 2”

by 3Bagger on Dec 2, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

"kerfluffle"

You should never use this word again.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome

I was reading through all the post just to see if someone else mentioned that

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by sunlegend54 on Dec 2, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Adam

recently saw the word “kerfluffle” somewhere and was looking for any place he could to shoehorn that word into one of his blogs.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

If it works in Little Britain

it can work here

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by Keynes on Dec 2, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Britain, Britain, Britain.

We’ve had running water for over ten years, we have a tunnel connecting us to Peru, and we invented the cat.

"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron

by sunlegend54 on Dec 2, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The word is kerfuffle

not kerfluffle.

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by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with this comment
My preference is for the new owner to keep Ryan, Daniels et al on board. However, as I have said before, the possibility that a whole new front office would be brought in is not something that would make me prefer keeping Hicks as the owner to getting new ownership in place. Given a choice between Hicks staying as owner and the current front office staying, or a new owner and the possibility that the new owner would want to bring in his own people, I’d go with the latter.

Obviously the status quo is unacceptable. But I don’t think that is what the Hicks people are proposing – indeed, I’d be certain that Selig + other owners would demand safeguards against what has happened before.

I see this club has on a trajectory towards a great run. 2011 – 2014 will be great years unless something major happens to derail it. Now, the current situation is obviously bad in that the missing pieces that may be needed to fill in gaps here and there may not happen. But I don’t think a revised Hicks ownership group is the same as the status quo. The whole point of his approach would be to maintain the front office while revitalizing the finances (Obviously we disagree on this, which is fair, though certain posters here have been irrational about it)

But here is my nightmare. A new owner comes in; he wants to make a splash. Waiting until the team develops on its own isn’t enough. Lots of these kids (Feliz, Perez, Holland, Smoak, etc) get traded off to bring in some one year guys to make an impact today. Free agents are signed for the sake of spending money instead of good long-term development. Daniels and the development people get dumped for yes men or other GMs who have a completely different perspective from the one most of us advocate. Yeah, we don’t know that Gilbert or Greenberg would do this, I doubt they would. But they might. And if you were to say “the new guys want to bring in their own team,” I look around the league and see two-thirds of front offices I want no part of. That is a far, far bigger risk than a Tom Hicks with his hands tied.

I don’t want Hicks to stay. But people are delusional when they say that Hicks is the worst case scenario. Your choice – Hicks + JD/Nolan or New Owner + other people – is very clear to me. I want JD here

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Concurrage
I want JD here

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by Parman on Dec 2, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 2, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

completely disagree

the most important thing is new ownership. JD has done a good job of restocking our farm and building up our LA presence, and an okay job of assessing ML talent and putting a good team on the field. But keeping him around is not worth keeping Huckster Hicks around. At the end of the day, I think it is a moot point bc the new ownership will recognize JD for the talent he is, but should your nightmare scenario come to fruition, I would rather take my chances with a new GM.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

and the GMs we might look at

Towers, Hunsicker, etc, aren’t exactly slouches. I think they would recognize the progress we’ve made in some key areas (international and domestic scouting above all else) and not completely blow up those operations.

For a fanbase who has known the devil (poor management when the team had money, and then poor ownership when the team had management) for so long, I am surprised by all the fear of the devil we don’t know.

Some people just don’t like change.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Finally, a little bit of logic.

JD should be okay for the first year of new ownership but if they have another bad season there’s going to be much needed scrutiny…which there should be because next year will be JD’s 5th season as the GM.

People in here seem to be more worried that the new ownership group will bring in a GM who won’t talk to them once a year on Newberg Night than the overall product on the field.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Who has said anything close to...

…hinting that the reason they want JD is so that on Newberg Night, the GM will address the crowd? I think everyone here would trade Newberg Night for a playoff appearance.

I think JD should be carefully scruitinized by the new ownership this year – a regression like 2005 should be carefully weighed, but so should the fact that JD is completely hamstrung by Hick’s idiotic antics.

by FuturePants on Dec 2, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I have never been to a Newberg Night

I have never seen JD. I could care less about his willingness to take questions from 10 year old fans.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is my big disagreement with you

and Adam, and many others around here. And I’ll admit it is a completely subjective disagreement, but it is what it is

I just don’t think Tom Hicks has been that bad an owner.

Obviously the team is in a disastrous position at the moment. I’m not arguing that a change isn’t needed. Some change most definitely is required.

I see three requirements to an owner:

1) Is he willing to defer to good baseball men to make decisions? Early on, Hicks clearly dabbled too much – the ARod situation (both the initial signing and subsequent trade) in particular was mishandled by him in particular. But he has clearly backed off that since JD, and Nolan in particular, took over. I always held that the advantage of Nolan was to buffer Hicks, and from a baseball angle that has worked well.

2) Is he willing to put resources into the team – does he want to build a winner? Put aside the last couple of years when the club was bankrupt – Hicks has obviously put money into the club. To its detriment I’d argue; willing to spend in free agency had never been his problem. The big deals are obvious: ARod, CHoP, Palmeiro. But there are also the dozens of mid-size contracts he has approved (van Poppel, Howell, Gonzalez, Hidalgo, Caminiti, Jennings, Lofton, Gagne, the list goes on). He has allowed considerable investment into the draft and international signings. Tom Hicks isn’t averse to putting money into this team. The “he wants to turn this team into the Marlins” argument is a idiotic fallacy. In fact, I’d say that it is an outright unfounded lie.

3) Is he financially stable? This is obviously the problem with Hicks. Ironically, in what was supposed to be his strength, he has proven to be a disaster. He ran the club’s finances into the ground. This is the one area where I look at Hicks and say “we need someone better”. But, under the right new ownership group that addresses this, I wouldn’t mind seeing Hicks stay on board. There is simply no way Selig would allow Hicks to buy the team again and leverage it as he did before.

So Hicks fails number 3, and yes, I’d argue that it merits him being gone, since we can see the repercussions of failing number 3 in front of us. But he is not as big a disaster as everyone thinks.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

JB

Tom Hicks has been the worst owner in MLB for at least 10 years and he stopped putting the appropriate amount of money into the team after 2003.

He is and has been the single biggest stumbling block This Thing has faced since he traded ARod for one penny on the dollar and decided to treat this as a small market team.

If JD is a part of the collateral damage in an ownership change, it’s still worth it (although I think he has a year to show what he can do). You seem to be far more concerned with the future of JD than the future of the organization.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll just do this preemptively:

"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs

by BAC on Dec 2, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

you make valid points

but we aren’t looking at the aggregate of Hicks’ time with the Rangers. We are looking at this point forward.

Much like Hank Blalock, this ain’t 2003 anymore, and Hicks has got to go at whatever cost.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fair.

I guess I’m just quibbling with the perception that Hicks is the worst case scenario. There is no evidence that suggests that he is evil, I find the demonizing of him at best ludicrous and at worst pathetic. That people normally balanced and rational have flipped off the deep end in characterizing him as the worst owner in the game (which he is far from) has annoyed me a great deal.

I too think it is time to move on, your Hank Blalock analogy is apropos. But just as Blalock isn’t Chan Ho Park, Hicks isn’t Loria. Neither deserve to be run out on a rail.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom Hicks

is not only one of the worst owners in MLB, he’s one of the worst owners in the Big 4 professional sports.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand...

at this point, watching what is happening financially with this team, how any Rangers fan can even attempt to defend Tom Hicks.

by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

Tom Hicks is the nightmare on Ballpark Way!!

So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!

by BigGuns on Dec 2, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Hicks must go, period.

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by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is defending him and what he has done to this team now

but that doesn’t mean that what he did in previous years is all of a sudden worse because he used this team to buy a soccer club.

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

This will be my last comment

I don’t think it was all planned out in 2000. Rather, he started off playing the game, realized something MUCH MUCH bigger had emerged as a better alternative, and he jumped ship.

What is the big deal and why is that so freaking hard to understand?

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all aggregate man...

And it’s all terrible.

Tom Hicks has been a terrible owner of the Texas Rangers. Period. You can’t look at it year to year. And even if you did, it’s been an awful stewardship. You have to look at what his ownership has brought to the team as of RIGHT NOW. And that’s complete laughingstock status and a horrible financial mess when the team should be on the brink of something special.

Tom Hicks has been and is a terrible owner and he needs to go as soon as possible.

by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Hicks was horrible to begin with

then started doing things right in 2006 and especially 07 when he finally got rid of Buck. Then HSG went broke this past year and the team is in a horrible position. I don’t think anyone is saying anything different here, just that some of us can admit that Hicks was actually doing things right for a few years and that it sucks that as he finally seemed to understand what it took to be a good owner, he ran out of money.

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the truth.

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by Parman on Dec 2, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

But what also corresponded with "doing things right"...

was Hicks just leeching off the team as much as he could to keep his holdings afloat long enough to by a lucrative soccer team.

Even though he appeared smart in not over-paying free agents for the first time in his ownership, and adhering to some sort of plan, he was still handicapping the team for his own gain.

by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Because back in 05 and 06 everybody saw this drastic a recession coming right?

He very well may have been deliberately handicapping the Rangers in 05 and 06 in order to leverage them to buy Liverpool. It wasn’t however, his plan all the way back to 2000 as some believe.

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by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of you don't even bother reading anymore, disgusting.
I don’t think it was all planned out in 2000.

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that was after you said this in the other thread
I’ll spell it out.

He never cared about the Rangers. He was holding them long enough to raise money for Liverpool. He didn’t have a long-term interested in being the Marlins because he’ll make 10x more elsewhere.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

There is no proof whatsoever that he did that

Until there is some proof out there that he was doing anything but trying to go through an actual rebuilding process (like this team has needed for about 10 years now), I’m not going to buy into that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Still?

God damn you people are dense as fuck.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe if you would bring something useful to the conversation

I’d learn my lesson. As it is, even Josey’s baiting is far more relevant and meaningful than anything you’ve said in the past two days. I’m sorry Hicks gives you nightmares or ran over your dog or stole your girlfriend or whatever he did to you. But the fact that you’ve taken my fully rational arguments personally seems indicative of the utter irrationality of your position.

There are excellent reasons to want Hicks to go. I agree with many of them. But you haven’t cited any of them, instead basically first resorting to tin foil hat conspiracy theories and then to insults.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

[Last, Last] Comment

It’s incredible JBI, posters like you are why I spend so much time on this blog. I generally respect your opinion. IIRC, you even work in this field in a somewhat related capacity.

Why did he run out of money?

Is running out of money something an owner should have happen if he “figured it out”?

Why was A-Rod traded for pennies on the dollar, when he was a god damn bargain at $25M?

Well, because in Liverpool you buy all the best players and you win [my crude understanding, as I won’t pretend to know anything about soccer or its systems]. He wants to be the Yankees over there because he can and he’s smarter or more nimble or whatever than the rest of us.

And don’t tell me Hicks was naive enough to not be at least a little ahead of the economy crashing. As much as he owns, red flags should have gone up left and right. As I’m sure they did.

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't want to be the Yankees over there and he doesn't have the capability of doing so even if he did want to.

He doesn’t have anywhere near enough money to compete with the true transfer giants in Europe or England.

by LiamP on Dec 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why was A-Rod traded for pennies on the dollar, when he was a god damn bargain at $25M?

How do you figure? The Rangers weren’t winning and attendance (revenues) were declining each year he was here. Saying that ARod was a bargain is like saying that a house that some body might pay $10 million for is now on the market for $9 million, but your problem is that (1) you don’t need a $10 million house and (2) couldn’t afford the payments, taxes and upkeep if you could. Calling ARod a bargain is clearly an overstatement.

by swampdonkey on Dec 2, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Facepalm.

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm curious as to how spending 25 milion on a player is somehow a bargain

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't we been over this a million times?

Look at the fangraphs valuations. A-Rod was worth every penny of it. Had JD been here economically assembling talent, we could have built a championship squad around him. And kept him at SS, to boot. And convinced other FA’s to sign here. The problem was that JD didn’t get here until too late.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The fangraphs valuations are bullshit

There isn’t a single team in baseball, even the Yankees, that would pay some of the values that Fangraphs has for players. Not only that, but being “worth” 25.4 million and getting paid 22 million dollars doesn’t mean you are a huge bargain. That’s getting your money’s worth which I think the Rangers did with A-Rod while he was here. A bargain is paying 416K for Zobrist when he is worth 38.5 million dollars, which again, goes to prove my point about their values being way out of whack if you are using them as how much a player should be getting paid.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Dec 2, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

but A-Rod was the best player in baseball, just beginning to hit his prime. It would stand that he’s gonna cost you a bit more than anybody. You’re probably right if you can drill down into the numbers and show something, but I would simply argue that A-Rod brings more value to the table than a hit to your checkbook, in terms of growing the product on the field and marketing a franchise.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 2, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

No hard feelings; looks like we’re all probably out of the Hicks woods, so debating the extent to which we hate him is probably no longer useful. But it sure was exciting there for a few days.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

JB,

It isn’t like the work that JD has done in restocking our system will immediately be undone if we change ownership. At this point we have to look at everything on a going forward basis. Do you really think the damage that Hicks’ ownership will do to this team going forward, essentially eliminating all player acquisitions, would actually be outweighed by JD’s supposed prowess as a GM? His hands would be completely tied up by our ownership situation.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 2, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers system has been ass for the virtually it's entire existence.

Now, it has been one of the best since the Tex trade. During this time, Hicks has been sucking the all blood and marrow he could from the organization leaving JD little room with to operate. JD has compiled a winning organization on the rise in a highly unstable situation. How can it be said that JD isn’t one of the best GM’s in baseball? It’s important to note that the big league team is considerably better today also. Give JD stable ownership & money, and get the fuck out of the way.

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by Parman on Dec 2, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

"How can it be said that JD isn't one of the best GM's in baseball?"

Very easily.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

JB - Let's walk thru a couple points on your post...

1) “Lots of these kids (Feliz, Perez, Holland, Smoak, etc) get traded off to bring in some one year guys to make an impact today.”

JD traded Chris Young, John Danks and Adrian Gonzales for nothing.

2) “Free agents are signed for the sake of spending money instead of good long-term development.”

Like, say, Kenny Lofton, Eric Gagne, JJennings and Ben Broussard (I know he was traded for but it was essentially a free agent signing)?

Your boy has a lot of blood on his hands and did exactly the things you are afraid the new ownership group would do.

If Gilbert gets the bid, that means baseball people are coming in which is a very good thing.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

Weren't Lofton and Gagne turned into long-term pieces?

Or am I forgetting my Rangers history here? And I don’t think JB was referencing 1-year contracts in his argument. Those are pretty much a necessity, especially if you didn’t inherit anything of value in those spots from the previous management team.

by Athos on Dec 2, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Lofton & Gagne were brought here

because JD thought both could help the 2007 Texas Ranger team win.

This team ended up spending $ 6 million for the rights to Max Ramirez and $ 8 million for the rights to Gabbard, Murphy and Beltre.

Were those really good moves for a team trying to rock a small market payroll?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, they were.

Lofton and Gagne were both worth more than they were paid during their time here, and Daniels got significant potential value in return for them. Even if he had not traded them for controllable players with a chance to help the team down the line they would have been decent signings. A better example of perfect timing would be difficult to find given how neither player has done anything since then. I think it’s hilarious that such slam-dunk moves would be your examples of incompetence. It really shows how skin-deep your understanding of player value is.

Daniels has done quite a few things you can complain about, but those two signings are not among them.

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by t ball on Dec 2, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Regarding the Young/AGon deal, when new people show up they try to make an immediate impact, often at the detriment of the long-term health of the club. We wouldn’t want to go through that again. I’m glad you agree with me.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Chris Young and John Danks are nowhere near the level of Feliz, Perez, or Holland

The only one i’ll give you is the Smoak/AGon comp

And if we can sign a veteran CFer who puts up the numbers Lofton did and then turn that into a top prospect i’ll take that 7 days a week

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

@LoneStarDugout Jarrod Saltalamacchia made his ’09 winterball debut last night for the Toros del Este. He hit cleanup, was the DH, and was 1-for-5.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 2, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

Hicks

My preference is for the new owner to keep Ryan, Daniels et al on board. However, as I have said before, the possibility that a whole new front office would be brought in is not something that would make me prefer keeping Hicks as the owner to getting new ownership in place. Given a choice between Hicks staying as owner and the current front office staying, or a new owner and the possibility that the new owner would want to bring in his own people, I’d go with the latter.

Given the option of having a refinanced Hicks as the owner, and keeping Ryan and Daniels, et al, compared to starting over with a new front office and a complete unknown as an owner, why is it so clear-cut that you would opt for the unknown? Essentially you are saying you would trade the rebuilding of the farm system and team direction of 2007 and 2008 for a complete unknown, who could potentially end up being a Mark Cuban without nearly as much money. I’m not sure that’s a wise trade.

by Darrell McKown on Dec 2, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

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