Salt hurt in winter league.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4708037
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[He had] tingling down his arm and numbing. We had to get him out of there. Hopefully he will be all right."
about 2 years ago
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Shit, that's bad news.
Catching-career-swirling-in-the-toilet bad.
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The link doesn't work, BTW.
For some reason SBN’s fanshot links can be a little funky.
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by LSJ on Dec 2, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Worked for me
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
What would he cost?
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by LSJ on Dec 2, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the Tigers will non-tender Gerald Laird
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the Blue Jays...
won’t pick up the option for Rod Barajas.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Jays declined to offer him arbitration
I don’t know how that works with a contract option but I would imagine that would mean they won’t pick up his option
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Shall I start the...
Bring Back Popup campaign or should you?
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
According to MLBTR's FA list, he was offered arb
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by LSJ on Dec 2, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
And according to Adam link from earlier he was not
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
According to the Jays site, MLBTR
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by LSJ on Dec 2, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
if they're offering him
I’d take him for a not top5 pitching prospect or two
Versatility
He has experience at 1st and OF too. Any idea of the defensive value he brings at his positions?
Fuck
Now Pudge needs to stay.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
yep, he was most likely going to accept arbitration anyway
I still would really like to have that extra supplemental pick
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Might just be in a bad mood
but all our amazing catching depth from last off season looks like crap right now. None of Salty, Tea, or Max appears to be a starting caliber MLB catcher to me.
Exactly
doesnt Michael Bowden look good to have now?
by meatbonelefty on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Tommy Hunter Jr.?
bleh
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I'm going to agree.
Still holding out hope on Max, but he’s never done crap offensively above AA which is worrisome….and, to be beyond kind, the jury is still out on him re: defense.
Looks like JD had his crystal ball out in offering Pudge arb, whether he’s still a top flight guy or not….better than running Kevin Richardson (but not his wife) out there :)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 2, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Pudge is just as bad as Salty and Tea are/where this year
Only thing he has going for him is he might put a few extra butts in our seats.
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by LSJ on Dec 2, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Call me nostalgic...
but I’d rather run Pudge out there than TT Boy….
I know we’re trying to bring the kids along but TT looked like utter shit at the plate and to me he took a step backwards behind it…..at times he looked buffoonish defensively.
If offensively they’re statistically equal, give me Pudge.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
and the patterns of playing time did not help...
…but that dude has a long ass swing.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 2, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Tea was slightly better than Pudge on the defenive side of things this year
According to this.
All things considered I’d say their production this year was about equal, given Pudges slight edge on offense (.287 wOBA to Tea’s .281), but going into this year Pudge is gonna be 38. Since 2010 is pretty much destined to be another developmental year, give me Tea.
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Although I'm still learning the ends and outs of the Saberworld...
….I have next to zero faith in defensive metrics.
But I hear you on the age thing….and 2010 being another rebuilding year (effn pwnership)
Maybe I am nostalgic…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 2, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
TT Boy
Wow. I suddenly have a lot of unwelcome images in relation to Teagarden.
Thanks for that :)
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"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
I figured someone not named Lisa would get that before someone named Lisa...
…kudos….and sorry :)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 2, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Further proof that ranking prospects and getting all juiced up on minor league sample sizes is just an exercise in wasting time
by oc on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
That was a dumb statement.
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Hey I'm guilty too. I thought Max would be our DH of the future
by oc on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Still is
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Saying paying attention to prospects and what they do in the minors
Because one seems to be on the verge of busting in the majors is stupid.
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Damn
I was really expecting big things from Salty next year. I had visions of a Kelly Shoppach type breakout year from him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 2, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Little early to be giving up on him
might be a scar tissue thing around the nerve.
Lets wait until he gets a real medical opinion before we run off chanting the sky is falling, the sky is falling…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Shoppach
BABIP-driven hitter who was supposedly -1.5 runs defensively this year and did some serious regressing in the power department. He can’t hit RHP’ing worth a lick. There’s a reason all he fetched was a PTBNL.
Of course, he’s still better than anything this team will probably throw out there a catcher next year, but who isn’t?
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Only when my emotion chip is plugged in
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by LSJ on Dec 3, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shoppach
Hits for power, kills lefties and he gets on base. Most importantly, he’s a catcher who hits better than league avg. He was due a raise and the Indians have Marson and more importantly, Carlos Jesus Santana waiting in the wings. Oh, and a PTBNL doesn’t necessarily mean Tampa’s sending a complete piece of shit back.
If this team could afford him, I’d take Shoppach in a heartbeat.
He's actually only wOBA'd significantly above league average once
His OBP skills are about average, and like I said, his power took a dump this year.
He’s solid, probably a league average catcher, but it seems like he’s grown a bit overrated even though he totally failed to follow up on his 2008 campaign.
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by LSJ on Dec 3, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
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Ok, first off, let me point out that we have Taylor Teagarden, Salty, and potentially Pudge as the catchers currently on the roster. Anyone with half a brain would take Shoppach over at least two of those three, probably all three depending on how high you are on Salty even with his recent setback. At his price (in terms of trade cost and salary), he’s also probably better than anyone else this team could afford to do. Before anyone says Doumit, over the past 4 seasons he’s spent a total of 247 days on the DL. There’s no way a team as broke as this could take a chance on him.
As far as his power taking a dump? His ISO went from 256 to 185. The fact that he’s a fucking catcher pretty much makes me not care too much. 185 is still better than every catcher not named Mauer, McCann, Napoli, Iannetta or Posada. As a point of reference, Victor Martinez ISO’ed 177 last year.
I already said he was better than anyone we have.
I just don’t think Kelly freaking Shoppach is the gonzo offensive catcher you’re making him out to be. The guy has a career .224/.308/.396 line against right-handed pitching, which kind of minimizes his offensive value as a full-time player.
He’s had one season where he was a beast, other than that he’s been a league average offensive player who probably needs to be protected from RHPing to maximize the value he provides against lefties. Furthermore, the DLM study also indicated he’s not the defender he’s made out to be, at least not this season.
Would I take him over Tea, Salty, Pudge and Max? Of course. But that’s kind of a non-point, because you’d take nearly ANYONE over Tea, Pudge Salty and Max right now.
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by LSJ on Dec 3, 2009 2:03 AM CST up reply actions
I can't be bothered to keep this up.
I’m making him out to be a gonzo offensive catcher? You turned your nose up at him when someone said they wouldn’t mind seeing him here and I’m saying you’re short changing the guy. Is he great? No. Is he good enough and better than anything we currently have? Yes. For a team in the Rangers’ economic position, Shoppach at 3mm (or whatever he gets in arb) next year would be a good piece of business.
As far as the DLM study goes, DF himself admitted it’s hardly perfect and there are many limitations there. Secondly, it’s a single season’s worth of data, which means you can’t reasonably draw any decent conclusions about a guy’s actual ability to play defense.
I don't see him as a long-term solution.
Would he improve things greatly for us right now? Of course he would. But I still hold out hope that someday we’ll have a catcher better than Kelly Shoppach, who appears to me to be one of those “solid, but not great” guys whose splits kinda scare me.
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by LSJ on Dec 3, 2009 2:32 AM CST up reply actions
Long-term solutions.
If you’re looking for a long-term solution at catcher, you’d better be ready to throw quality prospects/regulars at their team or a shitload of money at his feet.
In his defense
I’d take a positive split against lefties on this team.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Yeah
But I want my lefty mashers to at least be competent vs. right-handers too, seeing as how lefties probably only make up what, say about a third of the leagues pitchers?
I’m sorry, but I generally don’t see players who’re worthless against the majority of the league’s pitchers as anything more than bench pieces. Of course, there can be plenty of value in that if it’s used correctly, but guys like that never seem to get used correctly, least not around here (coughsammysosacough).
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by LSJ on Dec 3, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions
Dave Cameron and Jeff at LL...
have mentioned the topic of L/R splits recently. Dave wrote a whole article about Shoppach found here, with this part being what popped to mind:
One last note on Shoppach – don’t read too much into his huge L/R splits. He has less than 300 career PA against LHPs and the numbers against them are inflated by that flukey high BABIP. In general, you need some pretty large samples to start making real decisions on whether a guy has abnormally large true talent platoon splits, and we just don’t have that kind of data for Shoppach. It’s much more likely that his numbers against LHPs will regress next year and his platoon split will end up looking fairly normal. Don’t write him off as a part-time player just yet.
I’d encourage you to read the whole thing as the thing they seem to be most worried about is his lack of contact, though it is offset by his power and ability to take walks. I’m not sure if it’s a great fit for where the Rangers are at right now, but it certainly would have addressed a glaring weakness.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Also, they had a discussion at LL about this...
…that I thought was interesting. While it makes sense, I certainly didn’t realize that you need such a large sample against LHP/RHP to make solid conclusions about a player. The conversation is about Curtis Granderson, here’s some of what they said:
He’s not
Granderson only has 685 career PAs against lefties, which means you have to regress his splits pretty hard towards the mean.
by Jeff on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Granderson
is a .210/.270/.344 hitter against lefties in those 648 PA. You can regress that as hard as you want and you would still come to the conclusion that "good lord that guy can’t hit a lefty for shit"
by Trenchtown on Nov 27, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curtis Granderson is a below-average hitter against lefties based on essentially one season
It’s really not recommended to evaluate anybody by one season.
by Librocrat on Nov 27, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
685 PAs is more like 3 seasons worth
so I think you can draw conclusions on that.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
685 PAs is for his career
and that goes all the way back to ’04. I definitely think conclusions can be made on that
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah, me too
I mean how big a sample size do ya want, 1000 PA’s?
But still, it’s interesting stuff.
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by LSJ on Dec 3, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I would really like to hear...
from Salty’s pops as to what’s going on with him and how he’s feeling.
Still plenty of time before ST, but that just doesn’t sound good.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Not when you consider his arm has been a recurring problem for two years now.
Sigh. He’s fallen victim to the LSJ favorite player curse.
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TT
grab your fucking chance by the horn, son.
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by coolaid on Dec 3, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Tingling, numbness? Sounds like a heartattack...
Too much Salt?
I apologize for this joke.
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
What's disturbing
is that what if thoracic outlet syndrome wasn’t the problem and the org was too quick to diagnose their specialty syndrome?
What if Andrus complains to the trainers about a bad head cold next season? Will they take a rib out?
Whats your point?
That this guy is just diagnosing a serious injury when its not warranted?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'm suggesting it's a possibility.
It wouldn’t be the first time that a specialist has decided to personally champion a syndrome/cure. Do you think it’s just random coincidence that the Rangers have so many diagnosed cases of TOS that require surgery, when other teams don’t seem to? The alternative (to mis-diagnosing) is that the Rangers have something unique with their conditioning/training program that other teams aren’t doing, that exacerbates/causes TOS…
Who the hell knows… it just occurs to me that this is the sequence of events:
1. Salty has tingling in arm/hand
2. Diagnosed with TOS.
3. Rib removed to take pressure off nerve which supposedly caused tingling
4. Salty’s hand still tingles.
It’s possible that TOS wasn’t Salty’s problem, and somebody was overconfident.
Rheinecker?
didn’t he have the procedure as well?
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
I believe so.
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