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Sunday a.m. Rangers stuff

Very impressive win last night for the Cowboys, who definitely showed up ready to play and quieted the doubters (which included me).

As we discussed last night, Mike Lowell's thumb needs surgery, and the Rangers won't be dealing for him now, which means they are back in the market for a free agent hitter to fill or share the DH role.  Jeff Wilson says the Rangers have shown interest in Jermaine Dye, Vlad Guerrero and Jim Thome, among others. 

T.R. Sullivan, though, says that Guerrero wants a two year deal, which the Rangers don't want to do, and Dye doesn't want to be a DH.  Troy Glaus, Ryan Garko, Jonny Gomes, and Fernando Tatis are the names I'd like to see the Rangers in on at this point.

Richard Durrett talks to Clint Hurdle about the three areas he wants to focus on with Rangers hitters this year.

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Tatis

He doesn’t have a big lefty split to platoon with murphy, and hes probably a worse htiter vs righties than murph right now.

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

I am all for this team finding a platoon partner

because I think we need to add no less than two legit RH bats who kill left handed pitching. But I think one of those guys needs to be a legit guy like Vlad or Dye who we can pencil in full time at DH in the 5 hole. The club can say all it wants about finding a guy to split with Murphy, but if one of our OFs goes out for any significant portion of time, Murphy slips right back into a full time OF role, and I don’t want our best DH option for be Fernando Tatis.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 20, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed for the most part

except I don’t agree we need two RH hitters. I think we could use two hitters, and we choose the better hitter regardless of handedness, especially if we have already signed 1 RH bat. The Rangers seem infatuated with a RH bat, which I don’t really get.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 20, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

and the guy

walked 6% of the time while striking out 16% of the time in 09. His career strikeout rate is 23%. I want no part of Tatis. The guy is a bench player and should not be a DH.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Concur...

Tatis does nothing for me either.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Really don’t know why AJM keeps throwing him out there.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 20, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand

why people make such a big deal about Vlad wanting two years. Being an exclusive DH with no defensive value absolutely undercuts his options, and he said at the beginning of the offseason that if he can’t find a two year deal he’d return to the Angels for one year.

Well guess what? That door closed when they signed Matsui. I have been saying the Rangers should offer him a one year deal for $4M, which I am convinced is now the best he can get in this market, and say take it or leave it.

If he’s hellbent on making it a two year deal, then he can have 2M over the next two years. Hell, maybe even 3M. It’s Christmastime.

The point is, at this point in the offseason, what these guys say they want goes out the window. They picked the wrong year to be DHs and not shitty catchers.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 20, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

He may back off on that in a month

Right now, if that’s what he’s saying, you move on to other options.

If you still need a DH in late January, and he’s still out there and willing to take one year, you consider him.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Would you offer

4M for 1 year or 6M for 2 years with the 2nd year a players option?

I like this because hopefully he’ll have a solid year and turn down the option to become a FA.

If that happens, would that still give him a possible chance of a Type A or B status?

by Coolbean04 on Dec 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think something like this

is probably a feasible option.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 20, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt you can sign him for 4M

but his price may come down as the offseason wears on. Vlad has been looking for Abreu type money

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

No way...

Vlad takes 2 years at 6mil.

He would see that as a 1 year offer and won’t take it. At least not yet.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

2 years for Vlad

would be such a disaster move for the club. That is one of the reasons I didn’t mind the Lowell option – no option is excellent this year, but I don’t want any of them next year

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by JBImaknee on Dec 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't nick johnson want a 3 year deal about 48 hours before he signed for 1?

You left Glaus in when he says he wants to be a 3b..

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Hadn't seen that about Glaus

Nevertheless, I’ve got almost no interest in Dye even if he wanted to be a DH. A little more in Vlad, but those guys I’m afraid may be done. Vlad is a better rebound candidate, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't think he's really saying that

because his agent has to know he has very little leverage. As I talked about in the MB to M’s is easy to counter post, DH options have simply dried up. So have 3B options. The same collective of teams (the A’s, Rangers and Twins) are all playing in that same market, but guyslike Glaus, Dye, Vlad and Thome all have to find homes, not to mention Gomes, Delgado, Tatis, etc.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 20, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

do you think you might be saying this just because you don't want vlad?

and obviously not wanting vlad is a defensible position. but come on FAs say this stuff all the time.

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

He is saying he wants two years

But it’s unlikely he’ll get it. If you really want two years, you should say you wanted three years publicly so you could negotiate down to two. He is not in a good position to negotiate as is.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

But do you think its going to take waiting a month and coming back to get him at one?

I bet he signs for one with someone with a week or two. You wait much longer and there is literally only going to be one or two teams looking for a DH.

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

(shrugs)

Okay.

Think that if you want.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

just trying to figure out

Why you would put so much stock in what an agent is looking for when its december 20th and there are far more DH options available than positions to fill.

Unless his agent is an idiot, he pretty much has to sign somewhere soon.

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It is a little more complicated than that

Vlad is a guy who has spent his career being a superstar, and who, I suspect, perceives himself as a superstar, not a guy who should have to go around hat in hand looking for a one year deal.

When writers report that someone like Vlad is less of an option because he wants a one year deal, it isn’t just because that’s what his agent is saying — any agent right now is likely saying his guy wants a multi-year deal. It usually is also going to be an issue of how firm the player is perceived as being on that issue. There’s a lot more at work than, his agent says he wants two years so just forget about him.

There’s also the issue that is going to make him less attractive (as well as Thome, a guy who earlier in the offseason I wanted but who I’ve cooled on) is that he’s pretty well limited to DH right now, and the organization, I think, wants someone who can give them an insurance policy at first base and also play some COF or 3B or something else if need be.

This would be different, of course, if Chris Davis hadn’t been one of the worst players in the majors last year, or if this team were still in rebuilding mode. But at this point, you’ve got to have a contingency plan at first base other than “hope that Justin Smoak is ready,” and I think the preferred option would be for whoever the DH is to be the primary contingency plan at 1B. That makes Vlad and Thome both less attractive options.

Now, does that mean I don’t want Vlad here, that I’m going to jump up and down and bitch if they sign him? No. He’s an interesting upside play, and while I think there are better options out there, I don’t think the difference between them is so great that signing Vlad would be an awful move.

And I’m sure the Rangers are continuing to talk to whoever Vlad’s agent is, and are working with him so that if and when he decides he’s ready to take a one year deal, they can try to work something out.

But I think the fact that Sullivan is reporting he wants a two year deal means that talks with Vlad aren’t going anywhere right now, and the Rangers aren’t, I don’t imagine, going to just sit around and wait and hope he changes his mind on that…as they showed with the Lowell deal, they are prepared to move forward and land a guy they want, and I think that there’s a very real chance they’ll make a move to get someone else in place before Vlad decides he’s ready to take a one year contract.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

alright

Sound logic at least. I still really do think that the situation has gone far enough he will sign for one year shortly (with incentives and possibly an option and such), but ok I see where you are coming from.

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I gotta agree

I think too much is being made of positional versatility and RHedness. The clubs primary need is a middle of the order bat that gets on base, and Thome fits that role better than any of the other options.

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by tricer on Dec 20, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Cruz can break up Hamilton and Thome.

And his “reverse” split should regress finally.

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

if you're willing to look to the over 40 crowd

then why not look at Sheffield as well?

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by clark on Dec 20, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

bat looked really slow last year

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by tricer on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

well, looking at his stats - he did post a .372 obp

He used to be one of my favorite players, but when I saw him last year it looked like his trademark lightning quick bat was gone. Maybe I just saw him on a couple of bad days though.

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by tricer on Dec 20, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about Sheff

but I think Delgado will be on the very cheap end, and could be a good bench bat coming off an injury. I know he doesn’t have flexibility but he is a big time hitter when healthy. He seems to go every other year hurt then healthy, and he was tearing it up last year before he got hurt in what appears to be an extremely pitcher friendly park in NY.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Thome

Also is limited to DH. I guess you could have David Murphy spend the spring working at 1B, so he can back up Davis and step in if Davis nosedives again, but I think your primary DH option should be someone who can also play significant innings at 1B>

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

They can’t survive another start like Davis had last year, and at this point, the first option behind him would seem to be Smoak. Whoever they bring in has to be able to play 1bif Davis tanks again.

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh

Murphy could fill in if badly needed, and later in the year I expect Smoak (And maybe Moreland, too-or Max, now that the Lowell deal has fallen through) to be ready.

by Conjunction on Dec 20, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

is Thome completely done at 1B?

has he regressed that much to where he can’t play once a week?

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

to be fair though

they had some fairly decent 1B options during those years…Ryan Howard, Paul Konerko…

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

No

That’s only after he was traded from Philadelphia. 2006 he joined the ChiSox…Howard was never a factor there.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

still, I think Konerko’s presence plays a factor there to a degree

I just wonder if Thome COULD start at 1B for us a game or 2 per week

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

yes he is a bad man

and he’s got “leadership”

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

But, but, but....

The club never gave him a fair shot!

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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 20, 2009 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

for Vlad

How about a 1 year deal with a club option?
 that said, glaus does seem to be the best fit, considering the team wants the dh to be ale to play some defensively, as well.

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Vlad and the DH position

AL East
Yankees: Johnson
Redsox: Ortiz
Bluejays: Lind
Rays: Burrell
Orioles: Scott
Lets break it down.

AL Central
Chicago: Did they commit to Jones? Possibly open spot
Cleveland: Hafner
Detroit: Guillen
Royals: Fields? Kila guy? Possibly open spot
Twins: Kubel

AL West
Angels: Matsui
Mariners: Bradley
A’s: Jake Fox/prospects

Some of these guys could use platoon partners like Garko, but as far as full time DH positions its very limited. And some of the teams with spots are worse teams, worse hitters ballparks, and don’t have much money either.

Who is giving vlad a 2 year deal?

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

And the orioles just signed Atkins

Based on your list, it’s pretty much the A’s and Rangers and half the AL central could use a better DH, but the White Sox might use Quinten at DH.

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by NothinG on Dec 20, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The Nationals

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hurdle's comments.

I’d feel a lot better about them if he’d said something along the lines of “We’re going to work on pitch selection and working counts.” It’s great that he wants everybody to trust everybody, but a little fundamental pitch recognition would help too.

by Athos on Dec 20, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

Vlad

I really want him here just because of his history with success against texas.

Vlad vs. Texas this year was a .404 BA, .433 OBP, 1.012 OPS.

That’s still monstrous for a down year.

by Coolbean04 on Dec 20, 2009 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

Well half the games

are in Texas where he always mashed the ball.

by Coolbean04 on Dec 20, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Over the last 3 years

Vlad has hit .358/.464 /.543 in Arlington, for an OPS of 1.007. His overall OPS during that time was .888. Take into account that most hitters perform significantly better here, and indicators still peg Vlad as a plus in this park. I’d be all for that.
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by Conjunction on Dec 20, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't he have a 40+ game hit streak in arlington

And is career over .400 here at the temple? I can see why people would think this park would lend itself to him.

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by Jayslick on Dec 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

for me i would just look at how the parks strengths suit his..

Great hitters against mostly poor pitching will put up good numbers..

Where can you see spraycharts.. i can’t really remember how often he goes the opposite way. With how many pitches he fouls off the small amount of foul ground here is probably a little extra advantageous.

In general I wouldn’t let his arlington numbers effect what i offer him though.

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

K, let me change the numbers.

Vlad this year in Rangers ballpark in Arlington.

.440 BA, .500 OBP, 1.140 OPS.

by Coolbean04 on Dec 20, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Vlad is just really good at hitting sinker balls

The Rangers went through a period where they tried to get every pitcher to pitch to contact and get ground ball outs. He just seems (to me anyway) to have a wheelhouse that eats sinker balls up for breakfast. If his bat speed loses a few mph, does he still have that ability? I tend to think not, but I could be wrong.

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by DerekSTheRed on Dec 22, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

My choices, in order

Vlad- 1 year, $5.5 mill, $2mill in incentives, option for second year at $7.5mill

Dye- 1 year, $6.0 mill, $2.5 mill in incentives, option for second year at $9mill

Gomes- 1 year, $4.5 mill, $2 mill in incentives, option for second year at $6 mill

Each of these has a $1.5 mill buyout on the second year…

Vlad has the most upside, Dye is probably the most dangerous pick because of cost and change of failure…

Gomes is the safest, and I like what he might be able to do. Especially if he would take the contract I offer.

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by FormerLSBUser on Dec 20, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

Gomes will probably sign for less than $2M

I’d guess there is a good chance that all he gets is an NRI.

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by tricer on Dec 20, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you hate Glaus?

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by sprite on Dec 20, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont

he just didnt make my top 3

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by FormerLSBUser on Dec 20, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Gomes

If you were willing to give him $4 million, you’d have just traded for him, since he’d have made less than that through arbitration.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

your numbers, especially for Gomes

all seem really inflated. Gomes has not been a consistent hitter throughout his career and he is a true platoon split, unlike the other two.

I don’t go over 2.5M for him. I go up to 5 for Vlad and up to 6 for Dye, mostly because I expect Dye to play 1B against most lefties.

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by clark on Dec 20, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Gomes splits in 2009 were .914 vs LH and .859 vs RH

Doesn’t look like someone who needs to be platooned and I’ll bet he can be signed for less than 2M

by twinkilling on Dec 20, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

nice picture

although, Romo is better than Aikman, and it’s really not even that close…

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

sure

if you ignore Decembers and playoffs….

by SteveP on Dec 20, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

re:

Aikman’s QB rating in December is worse than Romo’s…

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither Romo nor Aikman are bad December players

However, Aikman spent the second half of his career, and Romo has spent his career, playing for teams that seemed to fall apart late in the season.

I don’t think that is on them.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree.

i didn’t bring up the December issue…

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

okay

Aikman had a losing record in December too…that help?

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

QB ratings say

Bulger is a future hall of famer. comparing romo to aikman is the most asinine thing i’ve seen all year.

by SteveP on Dec 20, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

you don't think what team you happen to be on

has a huge influence on your HoF chances?

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by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

TDs

One of the things to remember with Aikman is that his TD numbers were always low because the Cowboys had one of the best goal-line backs in the NFL for just about his entire career.

I remember Michael Irvin talking about how he felt he led the league in getting tackled at the 2 yard line…he said he’d catch a pass, fight tacklers, get down to the two, and the Emmitt would come help him up and be like, “Thanks, Mike, I’ll take it from here.”

The QBs on teams who run the short passing game and that throw a lot inside the 5 are going to pick up a lot more TD passes than a team like Aikman’s Cowboys.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

I’ve always wondered how well Aikman would’ve performed without a top RB, but with WR weapons…would he have been a top QB at that point?

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

With how absurdly accurate he seemed to be, I'll bet.

This is what makes football arguments stupid/fun: there’s no way to be correct on stuff like this beyond reasonable doubt.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Jimmy and Norv's offenses were ridiculously well balanced.

It would have been interesting to see how Aikman would have fared in a west coast offense, given his accuracy. Also, you have to remember he played for a 1-15 team and got his ass kicked early in his career and the team had practically returned to that level during the concussion days late in his career. That kind of thing will skew your numbers a bit.

by Athos on Dec 20, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

only problem is that his lack of mobility might have been much more exposed in more

pass happy offenses.

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by blalock84 on Dec 20, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

See, e.g., the Dans Marino and Fouts.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we saw how much he could do

in those games where the running game was shut down.

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by DJCahill on Dec 20, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember those Cowboys teams being all about getting up early with the passing game. . .

. . . and then letting Emmitt control it from there. They just didn’t want or need to fling it around all day.

That could be just anecdotal, though.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: Why is QB rating accepted in football more than similarly convoluted "uber stats" are in baseball?

Especially given the fact that 1) football is much harder to quantify individually and 2) QB rating is far wonkier and more random than just about any baseball equivilent.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So do you suggest there just be no stat comparison at all?

QB rating is a very succinct way to give the basic stats…

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by DShep on Dec 21, 2009 5:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, Romo is clearly the sole cause for December/playoff issues

Without his sorry butt we’d have won the last three Super Bowls by a combined score of 148-0.

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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Organization and especially JD dodged a bullet

with the Lowell thumb injury.

I don’t want Dye or Garko. Both teams they played for last year were offensively challenged and they don’t want ’em either.

I want Glaus (if he’s really healthy).

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by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Glaus

4 of the last 7 years Glaus has played less than 115 games. Great player, but a huge health risk.

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Glaus was definitely the beneficiary of

performance enhancement back in the day but this an experienced and legitimate clean-up hitter that kills LH pitching and gets on base.

If healthy, this is the obvious choice and unlike the others in the mix, a difference maker.

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by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I fear the injury issue with him.

As strictly a dh, I would prefer Vlad. Adding the club’s desire for defensive flexibility, Glaus might be worth a roll of the dice.

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Hes got a .856 career ops and is coming off a 14 game season

i don’t know that he would be that much of a difference maker vs the other guys..

i’d be just fine if the rangers signed him though.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Crayton?

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by coolaid on Dec 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

irvin

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

good boy. you can tell that atleast, i'm impressed

still worried that you think Nick Folk’s kicking issues is not a problem.

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

they’ll place him on IR

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by sprite on Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but who are you going to get?

Elam has been awful this year and Suisham is Suisham. Maybe someone in the UFL has been good.

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by sprite on Dec 20, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd throw Elam back there, if healthy, hope he sticks

He has a long long tack record of being good and he was extremely good the 3 years prior to this.

by octoberty on Dec 20, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Eddie Murray!

Honestly, I think it has to be Suisham. Yes he missed that one against the Saints, but even after the Skins released him, he was still 18 for 21

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Dec 20, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

AL DEL GRECO!

We still love you Al!

Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?

by AceJC on Dec 20, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Southlake guy IIRC

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 20, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Chris Boniol!

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Buehler

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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Morten Andersen?

Dude can still make them from up to about 45 yards.

by nivarsity on Dec 20, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Miles Austin laughs at your Roy Williams and Michael Irvin

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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 20, 2009 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I will cut you slack, though...

…because you probably only remember Aikman from his last 2-3 years, at the end of his career.

It is sort of like how I don’t remember Rod Carew as anything other than a banjo hitting first baseman.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

i watched him.

i’m saying this based on stats… mainly in their prime…

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

if Romo was handing off to a top 5 all time RB he’d have completely different numbers.

by bdavison94 on Dec 20, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

They are very different QBs

Aikman was not a guy who could single-handedly elevate a bad team, which is why people like Cahill choose to dismiss him as a Dilfer-esque game manager. But he combined a strong arm with tremendous accuracy and he made great decisions. He didn’t have a good “touch” on throws, so he wasn’t real good at throwing the deep ball and was terrible at throwing fade routes, but no one was better at throwing the timing routes and crossing patterns that were the hallmark of the Zampese/Turner style offenses.

Romo was much more like Favre…a guy with escapability who could make plays on his own, but who also tended to make bad decisions.

Aikman was a much better QB for the early 90s Cowboys teams than Romo would have been.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I know theres more to making good decisions than just INTs

But Romo’s had a phenomenal year in that regard.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

A Norm post-game show nugget:

Romo has had streaks of 143 & 156 pass attempts w/o an INT this season. (going off memory, numbers may be a smidge off)

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
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by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo

I think he’s the better overall QB. He’s been behind a pretty bad oline for a while now(hate to admit that, but it’s true). If you put Romo on those Aikman teams, i can’t see him not adapting to a timing offense. He’s obviously bright and very accurate. And as for the Favre comparisons, i don’t see it…maybe their mannerisms but that’s it. Favre has been erratic his whole career…had a few years with more Ints than Tds. Romo just seems more composed and under control than Favre. When you say he’s ‘a guy with escapability …’, well, he does that because he HAS to, not because he wants to; he’d be just as great as a pocket passer, and I think that’s obvious from watching him play. Imagine if Tony had Aikman’s oline and didn’t have to ‘escape’ as much as he does now…

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I absolutely see the Favre comparisons.

The arm is weaker, but the release is faster. He’s not as talented as Favre, but the style is absolutely the same.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo has to escape more because he holds onto the damn ball

too long. He gets happy feet in the pocket and loses composure quickly.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 21, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

If Aikman didnt have Emmit

In terms of stats, I think he would’ve been right up there with Farve. That’s how much talent he had. But I think he gladly sacrificed stats for the rings.

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"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
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by MayurP on Dec 20, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

it’s not the the quantity of the stats, it’s the quality…

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by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to admit ...

those 3 rings are a pretty high quality stat.

by Athos on Dec 20, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

But those offenses existed before Aikman came along. Aikman was just the perfect guy to run that offense, much like Steve Nash was the perfect PG to run D’Antoni’s offense.

It is interesting to wonder what would have happened if we hadn’t gotten Norv, who was Jimmy’s third choice as o.c. (something Skip Bayless loved to point out when he decided Jimmy wasn’t all that, Troy was gay and Emmitt was a bad guy)…Gary Stevens was his first choice, but Don Shula (who was pissed that Jimmy fired his li’l boy David for being so incompetent) wouldn’t give the Cowboys permission to talk to Stevens, and then they were denied permission to talk to Ted Tollner, who was the 2nd choice.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

What he said!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Comparing Romo and Aikman

Comparison is tough because the played in completely different offenses.
   Aikman played in an offense that was based on the run. He only threw the ball on downs that it was clear a pass was coming (like in 3rd and long) and thus the defense was ready and made it tougher on him to complete the pass.
   Romo plays in an offense that is based on passing first. So, he attempts a lot of his passes on downs that could go either run or pass and the defense is thus less prepared leading to higher success and more yards.

by Triple Play on Dec 20, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

x
Aikman played in an offense that was based on the run. He only threw the ball on downs that it was clear a pass was coming (like in 3rd and long) and thus the defense was ready and made it tougher on him to complete the pass.

I disagree. The Cowboys were a running team, but Turner was big on mixing things up, and the Cowboys would throw the ball in a variety of situations.

I don’t think that you can realistically argue that Aikman’s numbers suffered because they only threw when the other team was expecting the pass.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

But if anything looking at Troy’’s stats, he actually began throwing more once Norv left especially when Barry was the coach. If he had managed to stay healthy during the two seasons Gailey was here, he probably would have had just as high throws. I think slowly the Cowboys shifted more from a running team to a passing team like the rest of the NFL

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Dec 20, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I was not saying that during Aikman's time that Dallas did not mix it up

I know that in many situations that they would take their shots down field on first or second down, however I think that they leaned to running Emmit the majority of the time in those situations. The cowboys today with Romo seem to look at passing first and then using the rushing option second. Thus, in my opinion Romo throws the ball more often on downs that could go either way than did Troy.

by Triple Play on Dec 20, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I was watching the Americas Game feature

on the 92 Cowboys yesterday, and its sad to think, that if Jerry had somehow just kept Jimmy, we would’ve won at least 4 or 5 Super Bowls. But that defense last night definately reminded of the 92 one, absolutely great!

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Dec 20, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Or even if...

…he’d fired Jimmy and hired a real coach and a real g.m., instead of a buffoon who had been sitting on his couch in Oklahoma.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Barry wanted to be everybody’s friend. A head coach can’t do that. Jimmy was perfect and that team he built was perfect. If he stays long term, I doubt the late 90’s, early 2000’s slump ever happens.

Can you imagine Jimmy watching Flozell Adams suck this long?

by Athos on Dec 20, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you go about benching Flozell Adams exactly?

Who is the replacement? This team has zero depth.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why Wade should be absolved of all blame

It’s hard to coach under Al Davis, and he is a suck ass GM.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a hell of a position to be in.

Full of credit, but lacking in responsibility .. that position ..

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by inactive lsb user on Dec 20, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He probably wouldn't be here this season.

Jimmy didn’t really have a track record of letting declining vets stick out of some kind of affection. Flo has been bad for a couple of years now.

by Athos on Dec 20, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a question on Lowell vs all these other guys...

the majority of people here bagged on Lowell as being too old, too injury-prone, not very good, etc. Many of these same people turn around and badly want Vlad, Glaus, Delgado, Dye or Thome-all of whom either have even worse injury histories or their performance was worse last year than Lowell’s, and most can NOT play in the field anymore. why is that?

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

all depends

on how much you value MaxRam

by SteveP on Dec 20, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

We need to see a healthy Max Ram at AAA

before we render a definitive judgment.

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by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you do in this scenario

Chris Davis bounces back and has a solid 2010 season playing great defense at 1B as a 23/24 year old
Justin Smoak handles AAA pitching and shows he is ready for the majors as a 23 year old
Max bounces back and has a solid season in AAA as a 25 year old but due to performance of players on the ML roster and lack of injuries doesn’t get a callup until September at the earliest

What do you do going into 2011? Max will be out of options, the oldest of the group, and have very little ML track record. He has no position (given Smoak and CD cover 1B/DH).

Do you trade him? Do you get back prospects who may never help you or if they do it won’t be for years down the road or do you fill an immediate hole?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 20, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say it's a very good problem to have if all three become good hitters in The Show.

The problem we had last year was not enough good hitters.

Given how this organization has no idea what to expect from Chris Davis (and all renderings of him in 2009 other than the last two weeks were a giant bowl of suck) in 2010, it’d be really dumb to get rid of somebody like Max (who may be the internal DH option) before seeing him fully healthy in AAA.

Max holds very little trading value right now (the best we could do is a broken down Mike Lowell!?) so what do you have to lose by seeing what he does in OKC this year?

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by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

If you can fill an immediate hole now though

I would contend he may have less value next winter being that he will be out of options and without more ML experience you will have to trade a guy another team is going to have to give a 25 man roster spot to.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

If Max doesn’t get considerable time in the bigs this season, his value falls even lower than it is now.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

This statement is why I asked the question earlier:

Why is Lowell “broken down” and Troy Glaus is not? Lowell played a lot more games last year, and for the last 7 years, than glaus has.

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I would jump up and down like a little girl who just got a pony

Having 3 viable 1b/DH options is not a problem. Its a difficult decision that would be like George Cloony having to decide which Victoria’s Secret model to go home and bang tonight. The Rangers actual current problem is that our dad only gave us $10 to find a crack-whore to give us a tug-job behind walgreens.

Im personally hoping Glaus will be that crack-whore.

by nortorious on Dec 20, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I would put...

Smoak at 1B, MaxRam at DH and look at dealing CD.

Smoak should be fine defensively at 1B, is a switch hitter with better OBP skills, and is under team control a little longer. If CD rebounds and gets his value back while MaxRam and Smoak show they are ready then I trade high on CD.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

It may be that you'd be trading high on Max...

…if you deal him after the season, rather than trading high on Davis.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

but if CD does it in the bigs while playing a strong defensive 1B he will have much more value than an older MaxRam performing well in AAA with really still no position.

I’d rather deal CD to fill other holes the team has.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

So you would trade your only known commodity

And replace him with two guys who have little to no ML experience going into 2011, a year we should be serious WS contenders not just playoff contenders?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 21, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

It depends on what the Rangers get back...

for CD. I’m not trading him for prospects if that’s what you’re wondering. It would have to be for another ML ready piece(s) that could help the club more than he would at 1B in making a push for the playoffs and WS.

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by slc ranger on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know exactly what was wrong with Thome at the end of the season

but he couldn’t move. He had a ph v the Phillies and could barely waddle to 1B.

He hasn’t missed too many meals along the way.

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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

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by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

IIRC, he has had back problems for some years.

Which may be why he can’t even play 1b.

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Thought he had shoulder issues but maybe it was his back.

Playing on the the turf in Toronto probably didn’t help.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Thome has back problems/Glaus is shoulder.

Think we were having two different conversations.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He was talking about Glaus

and I was talking about Thome. Two different conversations going on.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

In no particular order

I’d be down with:

Glaus
Vlad
Thome
Dye
Gomes

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by Maximilian on Dec 20, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

My two choices: Reed Johnson and Troy Glaus

Reed Johnson: Hits LHP and can backup CF. He can play some for Borbon or, if there’s an injury, platoon with Murphy.

Troy Glaus: Can play 1b, 3b, and DH. Can play everyday or platoon with Murphy/Davis.

by cstorm15 on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

Very seldom

has Glaus been able to play everday. He needs to be cheap, ’cause he might play DL more than DH.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I could get on board with that

Burning two roster spots though, unfortunately the Rangers need an amalgam of a few players to use only one.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

So...

which candidate is most likely going to be the one?

Not which do you think is best, but which is most likely?

by Black Francis on Dec 20, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

I think Garko is the most likely at this point.

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by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Cowboys lead on a Rangers blog.... Penalty Box!

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Dec 20, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

who's the penalty on...

Ware and Romo for causing such controversy? or Adam for realizing it?

I blame Wade

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

DH...

The Rangers aren’t going to get the veteran grit they want out of DH/backup IF. I think you go with potentially disposable, less costly option, like Garko or maybe Cantu. It’s up to JD to determine which of those two will put the largest constraints on the team the next two years and then pick the other.

I think Delgado as a fixer-up is a darkhorse, but I’m not all that eager to see it happen.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Dec 20, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

OT-Brittany Murphy dead at 32

Damn gotta wonder if it was drug related. She was a hottie.

TMZ Link

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 20, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

In reading about this elsewhere

I saw that here husband was hospitalized a little while ago after he stopped breathing at some point.. never fully explained.
And she was recently fired off a movie.

It certainly looks like a drug situation anyway.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 20, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

woah

didn’t think she was that hot…also, she had my name in her first movie, and that freaked me out.

but this is sad.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 20, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Suckage

Her best role was Luanne Platter on King of the Hill.

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by EssBee on Dec 20, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Are there any viable trade options for a 1B/3B/DH?

I have put zero thought into that avenue…maybe someone with an arb year or two left?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Sandoval

He’d have to be literally kidnapped from the Giants though.

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by Ed Coffin on Dec 20, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

He would be a great option.

Definitely on my Christmas wish list.
I probably would not like what the Rangers would have to give up to get him.

by Triple Play on Dec 20, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that idea is a non-starter

Unless you want to give up Smoak+ or someone like that, they sure a heck don’t need pitching.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Sandoval

I remember talks not too long ago debating who was the better prospect, MaxRam or Sandoval…those were the days.

by groundingout on Dec 20, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Scott Hairston

He can’t play 3B, but with the A’s signing Coco Crisp, he might be available.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yuck

He is more in the mold of a utility outfielder.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

He does hit lefties well

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Dec 20, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Uggla.

But he’d cost dollars + prospects… not worth it, imo.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Dec 20, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Uggla

I wouldn’t want to pay him what he’ll get in arbitration to fill the role we would need him to fill.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Same here.

His value is tied to his abilty to play 2b, which he wouldn’t do here for Ian Kinsler-related reasons.

He’s the obvious name out there in terms of trade targets right now though.

I’d be more than happy using our money to add a cheap bat like Gomes + one or two of the risky reclamation arms still out there, like Myers, Mulder, Escobar, Duchschererererer or Sheets.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.

by thedirkatron on Dec 20, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that pretty much sews it up.

Add a vet DH/?, ’cause there are no good targets on the trade market, and pick up a low-money flier pitcher.

I find it amusing that many here were so against Lowell (before we knew about the thumb), and yet there is zero consensus on an alternative. Must be fun to be a GM, huh?

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I am having a hard time getting as chubbed up as you guys are for Troy Glaus.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Dec 20, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

You haven't seen the bikini pictures I take it...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 20, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that can really change my opinion on things...

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Dec 20, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Try the little blue pill.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 20, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish we could steal Butler from KC for a bag of beans

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by randyd on Dec 20, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

I wish we could get Butler from KC for something good

I’d let them have their pick of any two minor league pitchers not named Martin Perez for Butler.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll go a step farther

Any three Ranger minor leaguers, other than Perez and Smoak, for Butler.

I’d do that deal.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you exclude Scheppers because he can't be traded right now or because you'd trade him in a package for Butler?

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by WestTxAg06 on Dec 20, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish all the cowboy fans would go to the cowboy blog. I really dont like the cowboys abd it annoys me when I have to read blogs about them on this site.

by txmemaw17 on Dec 20, 2009 5:43 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

you know what is easier...

than trying to get all of the cowboys fans (including the main writers) to go to another blog? You going to a different blog.

I offer solutions.

by ab03 on Dec 20, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like your solution.

Apparently hitting the Z key has become hard for some people. They need to see more Josey subthreads for training.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

are you related to David Murphy?

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 20, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Want a solution?

Don’t read them.

You’re asking a good portion of people to change their behavior for you. Though that may be en vogue these days, it’s also retarded.

Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.

by Aquaman, Esq. on Dec 20, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ha

nice dig. but i think his sense of entitlement is well founded. he might be david murphy’s cousin

by ab03 on Dec 20, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

So I'm guessing you think all posts unrelated to the Rangers should stop?

As far as the Cowboys, it’s not our fault every Cowboys blog in existence is overrun with morons.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

At about 12:30 today, I ran in to Mike Lowell getting off of the Mansion.

Found that interesting given his relevence in very recent events to my team.

He’s taller than I realized.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions  

Did he give you any tips on being in the postseason to pass along though!?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle

by LSJ on Dec 20, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

We didn't speak.

But his aura of veteranocity was enough to make me perform at a higher level the rest of the day.

by philkid3 on Dec 20, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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