Monday morning Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 21, 2009 9:14 AM CST
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PrintSo, yeah...the news today is that the Rangers are reportedly about to sign Darren Oliver to a one year, $3.5 million deal with a vesting option.
I don't get it. The problem isn't that Oliver has been bad of late -- he hasn't. He's been a solid reliever for the Angels.
The problem is that a lefty setup man/middle reliever doesn't seem to be real high on the Rangers list of needs, and this is a team that supposedly has almost no money to spend. A team with almost no money to spend probably shouldn't be spending it on a 39 year old reliever.
Jeff Wilson writes that Oliver would give the Rangers six lefthanders to sort through for bullpen roles.
To me, this indicates that either C.J. Wilson will be in the rotation, or that he is going to be traded. It doesn't make a lot of sense to go out and get Oliver, and give him a contract like this, if you are going to keep Wilson in the pen.
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Very frustrating off season
Thanks for nothing, Hicks
I didnt say anything about this deal in particular
and Hicks is responsible for the condition which the Ranggers have virtually no wiggle room this off season
I'm about to state the obvious
but the way they’ve spent the money this offseason seems quite random. Like the money is burning a hole in the collective pocket. “Holy crap…we’ve got $3 million? Where’s the nearest guy who will take a $3 million deal?” It’s almost as if they don’t see the weaknesses on the roster. I don’t get this. Darren Oliver gets the dough, but we don’t even bother hollering at Nick Johnson? Geez oh pete…following this team is going to give me an aneurism some day.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Spending whatever money they have like it's burning a hole in the collective pocket
is a very distinct JD pattern of the past.
See Gagne, Lofton, Broussard, JJennings, Padilla, Cat.
I’m going to withhold judgment until I see the quality of hitter we receive but this move makes me highly skeptical of what’s about to happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
...Padilla?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
$ 34 million for 3 years before the 2007 season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
That represents "spending whatever money they have like it's burning a hole in the collective pocket"?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Uh, yeah.
The Rangers had a very good feel for Padilla (who was available to them only because of his off the field antics) after 2006 and there were better options available.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
I think that his being a lefty is of little consequence
He has been better vs righties than lefties the last 3 years. They have a .616 ops against him.
Hes not a loogie, hes a 7th inning type. If we had CJ, Darren and one of these offseason signings its not like you have 3 guys who cant go in against righties.
Now, is a decent 7th inning guy regardless of handedness who we need to spend 3.5 mil on? Still very questionable. I will give JD the benefit of the doubt and see the other moves first.
the preceding post was a great success.
While it's baffling to be sure, I'm waiting for another shoe to drop.
I find it hard to believe that Daniels would sign (on a limited budget) another guy at what is already a position of relative strength, without having some other move to correspond.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Who has a desperate need for a CJ type of
pitcher that can cough up some offense?
Tell me we’re not giving up CJ for one year of Pat Burrell.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
maybe the nats
are thinking strasburg needs to brush up on his social networking skills and are willing to give up dunn
If we had enough money to afford Dunn, we likely would've just signed one of Matsui/Johnson/Damon/Cameron.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Not if they preferred to go elsewhere.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
and Dunn is better than those listed
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
But is he better than, say, Matsui + Ceej?
Cause I have to think if we’d offered Cameron/Matsui/Johnson the difference between Ceej’s salary (~3mm or so I’d assume) and Dunn’s (12mm), that they’dve come here.
I think it’s close.
But either way I don’t think we’d’ve had the dollars.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
it's all about the benjamins right now
and we have none, yet we’ll sign Darren Oliver
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Just about every team in MLB
could use CJ. Desperation is another matter I suppose. He’d be a pretty valuable trade chip and he’s only going to get more expensive through his arb years.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 21, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Pittsburgh needs a LH RP.
And maybe they want to get rid of Lastings Milledge.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
No thank you on Milledge
Come back when you’re ready to offer Andrew McCutchen.
Let's see how it plays out. I'm sure they anticipated Lowell having issues,
so I doubt they just randomly paniced and signed Darren Oliver because our DH failed his physical.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
maybe a trade
with the pirates is in the works. according to MLBTR they just signed Javier Lopez and he is their olny LH reliever on the 40 man. I don’t know who we would target though. Doumit maybe? Probably unlikely but a thought.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
Jorge Cantu seems to fit what they wanted in Lowell.
Can play 1st and 3rd. There were supposedly talks at the winter meetings.
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
BMac was the rumored player to go to Marlins in that deal.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Would you do that deal?
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
Not excited about it.
Crazy connection… What about BMac for Swisher. Cashman is on record saying Yanks are almost certain to add a starter by New Years.
Doesn’t help out at 3B, but he can stand at 1B when needed.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I'm pretty sure...
the Yanks are thinking bigger than McCarthy as the starter they wish to add.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Here's hoping
the plan isn’t to convert Oliver BACK to a starter.
by cmkelly29 on Dec 21, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
LOL, I'd poop myself in rage.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Poop Rage is funny
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
repeat of my bold prediction from the other thread
My official guess is that CJ is traded to the Rox for Brad Hawpe.
What a drag it is being broke.
why wouldn't it be?
CJ is under club control for 2 more years, Hawpe has next year at $7.5M and a team option for $10M in 2011. He’s a high OBP, defensively worthless bat that can mash LHP and is a bit of a luxury for the Rox as they can fill their OF with Smith, Fowler, and CarGo.
I’d guess that value wise, it’s a pretty equitable trade. The big stumbling block could be that moving CJ for Hawpe would result in about $5M of extra payroll.
What a drag it is being broke.
hmm
would offering CJ be enough to get Hawpe?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
considering they are getting two years of CJ
at about the price that they would have paid for one year of Hawpe, I’d think it would be about right. Plus like I mentioned above, Hawpe probably is squeezed out of the starting OF in Colorado. He’s a DH and they have 3 young athletic OFs to roam that expansive Coors OF.
What a drag it is being broke.
If that happened
I would be giddy.
Hawpe would likely become the best hitter on this team.
by Conjunction on Dec 21, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
That would be
a great trade for the Rangers. That being said, I think it would take maybe a throw in arm as well to get it done
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 21, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I have no problem with that
Give them Rapada or some such
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Hawpe's line vs LHP:
242/321/420/750 career-not exactly a lefty-masher(from B-R)
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
I wish you had never brought this up
because now I really want it to happen…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I would love that deal...
but I don’t see how the Rangers can afford it right now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I have a feeling
a net addition of $5M is possible.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
if the money could work
I’d say that Oliver/Hawpe is a pretty big upgrade from CJ/Gomes or something like that.
What a drag it is being broke.
I hope you're right...
otherwise this move makes very little sense.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
that would throw a kink in this whole plan...
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
yes
from B-R 242/321/429/750 career vs lhp
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
CJ +
for Swisher is a better option. He has basically the same contract, and he brings a little defensive value.
No way the Yanks give him up.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Would KC trade Callaspo?
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
It isn't so much that I'm frustrated by this...
from a player acquisition stand point, but more so because I know I am very much seeing a WIP and the next move, at least on the surface, appears to be more complicated that a simple FA signing. If JD announced tomorrow that he’s signing Reed Johnson and Vlad to one year deals, I would feel like this was a pretty successful offseason. But the stockpiling of bullpen arms and the lack of movement on the position player front leads one to believe there may be a trade in the mix as well.
Let’s be honest here, in the Oliver signing our only complaint appears to be a misallocation of resources. But the end result is that we are giving ourselves a chance to field an amazing 12 man pitching staff by allowing at least 20 qualified individuals to compete for spots. So the signing in and of itself isn’t a bad thing.
This would be more frustrating if a) we are to believe there is no more money to spend, and b) there were not still quite a few bats on the FA market whose DH status limit their potential homes. But JD has been saying for a while now (since the Harden trade) that he feels he will be able to address the bullpen (check), the DH spot (lots of options still out there) and maybe even the rotation. He’s also stated that finding someone who can backup the corner INF positions is important, as well. JD deserves credit for knowing how to manage expectations, and I don’t think he would have mentioned adding all these pieces if he truly felt he was going to only come away with a set up guy.
I honestly have no idea what the next move will be. I’ve long predicted that Jermaine Dye ends up being a Texas Ranger because we’ve been linked to him for so long and because he mashes lefties, has remained healthy throughout his career and is willing to play 1B. But with the market shaping up as it has, I wonder if we should start watching Mark DeRosa a little more closely. He doesn’t hit quite as well as Dye, but he can play 3B and the OF positions. His price tag has been dropping over the winter, and if he can be had for 2 yrs at 6M per, it might make some sense.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Hence my hatred for Benji Molina
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
LOL
Why do you hate Benji Molina?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Irrational hatred from his Angels days, seemed to always crush us.
I feel the same about Adam Kennedy.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
I definitely have an irrational hatred for Darren Oliver.
I really hate the fuck out of that guy.
by FuturePants on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
We'd all love the shit out of him if it wasn't for that god damn baby horse fucker Mike Henneman.
I’m gonna dance so hard on that dude’s grave.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Don't ever mention that fuckers name again.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I harken back to the 1996 playoffs
Where he pitched his ass off because Henneman sucked so Oates left him in one inning to long.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
There is only one feasonable option here
They have to have more money to spend then we thought… You wouldnt make this signing if you thought you might trade CJ… Only if you were/have already done so… They just wanted to add a strong reliever, this was a good one…
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 21, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions
The fact that...
a 40 year old Darren Oliver is going to be the 3rd highest paid player on my favorite baseball team next season really pisses me off.
I’d understand if this team had 15 or 20 mil to spend like the M’s and they were just adding another solid arm to the ‘pen. I’d get that. Oliver has been a good pitcher the last few years and is worth the contact he got. Just not worth 60-75% of the FA $ that the Rangers have available right now. This move makes zero sense when taken into context. Unless JD has something else planned and is going to be making a deal.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
?
MY makes more
Ian makes more
Harden makes more
Feldman could possibly make more
Hamilton might make more
TCU Frogs- #3
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
by FormerLSBUser on Dec 21, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I believe that Ian...
is only going to make 3.25 mil next season. I could be wrong though.
Not sure if Feldman or Hamilton will hit 3.5 in arb for 2010.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Ian makes 4 mil next season.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Ahh...
I must have been looking at his ’09 salary then.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Quick someone tear the ligaments in his thumb!
by MikeEl on Dec 21, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Very good
Mike is becoming the go to guy on LSB for thumb jokes
Not that it means anything we didn't know
But the angels fans on mlbtr and halos heaven seem to have really wanted to keep him.
the preceding post was a great success.
that's always a good sign
but not exactly a surprise, because (and you wouldn’t know it from most reactions around here) he was really pretty solid for three straight years for them…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
yeah not saying it means anything
just viewed the comments and wanted to note it.
the preceding post was a great success.
Sure they did...
he has been a good pitcher there and money is no issue for that team.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Thanks Capt. Obvious
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
vacuums are fun.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
harden vs lee is the comparison...
and lee still wins but at least harden puts up a fight
the preceding post was a great success.
The main advantage to us on that
is that its easier for Harden to be an upgrade to Millwood then for Lee to be an upgrade to Beddard/Washburn from last year.
What do voluntary mean?
I'm not worried about the first 125 IPs
Harden gives us but the other 75 IPs are hardly a slam-dunk in terms of quality.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Does your statement have a point
or are you just being captain obvious?
What do voluntary mean?
It means I don't think that the acquisition of
Harden is an automatic upgrade over what Millwood gave the team in 2009.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
so your just being Capain obvious.
check.
What do voluntary mean?
Lots of people in here desperate to give the GM praise
for doing nothing more than looking busy think this move is an upgrade.
AdMo himself said that Harden/Dusty Tits will do better than Millwood did last year and I’m not sold.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I never said it was
but your just doing what you do.
Is it easier for Harden to improve on what Millwood did for us last year or Lee to upgrade what Beddard/Washburn did for the M’s last year?
Which one is easier? All I was saying is that it is easier to imagine Harden being an upgrade to Millwood then Lee being an upgrade to what those two gave the M’s last year. Lee is about limiting variance for the M’s. Harden is about raising our ceiling for next year, but taking a risk with lowering the floor also. 140 ip of Harden, probably a pretty good bet for his IP, most likely means a net improvement over the 180+ IP of Millwood.
What do voluntary mean?
Getting Harden to 125 IPs
isn’t a slam-dunk either no matter what Jamey says about our vaunted medical staff.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Getting any player to any play level isn't a slam dunk
Harden is a bigger risk then most, but I don’t know why you suddenly think his arm is going to fall off after two years with one number set. Other than the fact that you don’t like anything JD ever does.
I’d probably put the over/under at around 130-140. If you pick 125 I’d probably go the over.
What do voluntary mean?
I hate signing relievers to big money contracts
Past performance doesn’t carry enough information about future performance for them. I said it about Juan Cruz last year, and I’ll say it about Oliver. Give me three or four NRIs and I’ll show you at least one guy who outperforms him next year. There is simply no reason to spend limited dollars on free agent middle relievers
Go Rice Owls!
the thing is
Oliver has been pretty consistent ever since he switched to relief, so the beta here isn’t as big. His FIP and IP totals have been incredibly consistent, and last year was his best of the three, so it isn’t like he trending down…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Only problem about those 3-4 NRIs
Is it usually takes a month or two to sort out who are the pretenders and who are legit. I think a well constructed bullpen draws from FA, NRI/fringe types and trades.
Again, I’m a little perplexed by the move and I do hope there is a deal in place to flip one of these bullpen arms for a legit bat. If that’s the case I’ll be thrilled, but currently I’m a little confused but don’t really hate is as much as most. Hopefully the shoe strings have been loosened on the budget and there’s more going on behind the scenes than we’re aware of.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
I think I understand JD's rationale
The rotation now consists of an oft-injured ace, a #2 that has trouble getting past the 6th inning, a sophmore #3, and a bunch of ??? after that due to either injury history or youth.
I think JD sees a heavy reliance on the bullpen next year. He has always liked a veteran in there to provide leadership. (See Eddie Guardado.)
I do hope the Rangers have some cash still left over to sign a RH DH type. Garko? It is also possible that the abundance of viable pitcher swill allow JD to wait until late March to make a trade for a bat. We willjust have to wait and see how things play out.
|Space for Rent|
I am as big a JD fan as anyone here
but the infatuation with having a veteran in the bullpen is stupid. Fat Eddie brought nothing to this team last year on the field, if you need to have a guy out there who has been around the block, make him bullpen catcher
Go Rice Owls!
If Oliver pitched so well for the Angels
why are they letting him go?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
that's what a lot of Angels fans are asking
they have been weirdly quiet this offseason, leading some to believe money may be an issue…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
They're attendance is slightly
down but they’re still pulling in 3 million plus to the Big A (what’s it called these days?).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
we have learned
that a team’s available resources aren’t always tied to baseball operations.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
At this point in time,
we don’t need a discount hitter found in the baseball cut-out bin.
We need a bad-ass who mashes LH pitching, gets on base at a .380+ clip and is not extended when hitting clean-up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
You probably won't answer but
Who do you want and how would you go about getting them?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Do clones have to enter the draft
or are they like international free agents
by Triple Play on Dec 21, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
For that matter, why are two offensively challenged
teams like the White Sox & Giants giving up Dye & Garko?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
And why are the Rangers giving up Marlon Byrd?
Oh yeah…
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Giants giving up on Garko
makes sense, because he sucked with them last year.
The Sox giving up on Dye is a little more curious, but I struggle to get inside the head of their GM.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
they don't need Dye
they have Quinten and Rios
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Now Carlos Quentin could be an interesting trade target
What do you think it would take to get him away?
Brandon McCarthy?
Name some more players
And you’ll be getting warmer
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
The Bmac bit was a joke.
I’m not really sure what the White Sox would be asking for the guy. With Kenny Williams you can never tell…
Why'd the Yankees let Abreu walk for a pittance?
Just cause a good team let’s a guy go doesn’t mean he’s automatically flawed in some way.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
From what I read,
I think Abreu was let go to change the personality of the clubhouse (which helps explain the acquisition of Swisher). Don’t know how much stock I put in that.
They may have trying to get younger or trying to shed payroll because they knew they were making a run at Tex.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
OMG, Artie is turning into a cheap-ass!
Cots has their 2010 payroll at $82,950,000 and the past 4 years were around 104-120. And it’s going to drop to 63mil in ’11!!!
/Raving messageboard fan
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
i just don't think you can equate Eddie and Oliver
Eddie’s value last year really seemed explicitly tied to his leadership abilities. If Oliver can give this team 70+ innings with a 1.15 WHIP, whatever leadership he offers is a bonus.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I am really hung up on Callaspo from KC.
Young, can play 3b/SS/2b/COF and hits lefties well, albeit with not a ton of pop.
Could we trade for him and sign Garko cheap and call it an off-season?
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
he might be able to play all those positions
but he is primarily a 2B and his defense has always been suspect. I think KC views him as their 2B of the future, so his value to us is less than his value to them. That never makes for a good trade…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The House Organ
says it is a done deal.
1 year / $ 3.5 million with vesting option.
Will CJ still be a Ranger in 10 days?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Pending a physical on Tuesday.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I think the plan is pretty clear here
the ONLY established bullpen lefty you have is a guy that has a pretty good chance to make the rotation, which would mean you end up with one of Harrison or Holland as your bullpen lefty. You have one injury and that handicaps you and your choices for the rotation. Due you go lefty less in the bullpen? maybe add one of your unproven’s to a key role in the bullpen? worse comes to worst and you have a top lefty middle reliever in Oliver, and a top back of the bullpen lefty in CeeJ! obviously they can afford this or JD wouldn’t do it so just be happy that your team just added another solid baseball player with some experience
I've gone back and forth all offseason
but at this point I really think Troy Glaus makes the most sense for this team.
Take a look at the year he had in 2008:
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=15&position=3B
If he came close to replicating that here in TX, Dirk would fling so many things on so many innocent bystanders it would be like an x-rated Gallagher show.
Plus it allows us to use our final spot on the 25 on a guy who can play CF and hit lefties, whoever that turns out to be. (Is now the time to try to pry Ryan Spilborghs away from the Rox? He’s coming off a down year but is the perfect platoon candidate with Murphy and can play CF. He makes a ton of sense).
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I like the idea of Glaus
Its just a matter of numbers. 1 year at 3-4 million I’d be good with, and I’d love a team option (possibly locking) with any of these deals for potential DH’s.
Vlad wanting two years lessens my interest in him a good deal.
What do voluntary mean?
unfortunately, Glaus doesn't like the idea of DH'ing.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Understood
but in the long run if his option is DH or not be in the MLB something tells me he comes around on DHing.
I bet there are going to be a bunch of teams that are very hesitant to put him back in the field for 162 based on his recent injury track record.
What do voluntary mean?
between spelling Young at 3B,
playing 3B when Young spells Andrus at SS, and spelling Davis at 1B, I think he could easily end up playing somewhere between a third and half of his games in the field.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Could be.
but he would likely have to sign here based on being the full time DH and with a caveat that he likely gets PT in the field at 1b and 3b.
What do voluntary mean?
Glaus's body rejects the idea of playing everyday in the field.
(paraphrasing, of course)
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
I think the hard and fast idea of a starter
is starting to blur, like with the running back position in football. Teams commonly have four OFs rotating through three positions based on match ups and injuries. They commonly have three guys covering the middle infield positions and three guys covering the corner IF positions. Sure, there are opening day starters, but after that the status of “starter” is really overrated.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
young backing up andrus at ss
makes me throw up in my mouth a little
Glaus and Spilborghs
would allow us to cover each defensive position and add two guys who hit lefties really well.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Spilborghs is interesting
Rockies have a glut of OF with Hawpe and Spilborghs looking like the odd men out.
What a drag it is being broke.
If the acquisition of Oliver prevents the team
from getting a quality bat and we have to settle for something (Garko, Dye et al) from Misfit Island, this is a horrific allocation of a very precious resource and more than indicative that JD has no bidness being the GM of This Thing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I think we all agree with that, Josey
but you posted that in reply to my comment above.
What do you think about bringing in Glaus and Spilborghs?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Give me Glaus (if he's healthy)
and I’ll be pacified. I don’t need Spillborghs.
That will mean JD addressed the glaring weakness of the team in an effective (if Glaus is truly healthy) manner.
What kind of hitter could This Thing get if Cruz & Wilson fronted the package?
It looks like CJ may be gone and this team is adamant about Josh moving to RF… would those two be part of a package to land the hitter we need?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
just realized that Spilborghs probably is only an incremental upgrade over Boggs
probably not worth sending talent to Colorado for that.
What a drag it is being broke.
i wish Boggs was playing winter ball
I need to feel good about him again after last year…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
i do too but it's probably a good thing he's not to let that shoulder heal
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
As always, you apparently need reminding that Ryan has OK'd these deals.
As posted above, who says the Rangers were even on the list of DH types who have signed elsewhere. Maybe they just wanted to play elsewhere.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
JD has had his castration reversed
and is making these moves. Don’t kid yourself, these (especially The Lowell Trade) are the kind of moves he makes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
MARK! MARK! MARK!
This is just terrific, dude. Keep it up, paperboy.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Look at his history, ghtd
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Look at your history, Josey.
So, all of a sudden, despite the fact that Nolan Ryan is going to have a more prominent role in the organization…
…
…
…you change your tune? And now — when all signs point to Nolan running much more of the show than normal — it’s all JD?
CLASSIC.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Just insert this before everything he says
Working without a net here and this is pure speculation…
…and those are his words, not mine.
by Anonymous New Guy on Dec 21, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
My take on it is that
Nolan was sick of babysitting JD and with Hicks gone, he is giving him a year to prove himself and improve the club the way he sees fit -just like the other GMs in MLB.
Still not sure what to make of the RG column last week because it suggests JD needs to be nervous after Purke-gate if Nolan’s in charge.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
What kind of firm evidence do you have to support this notion?
And no, gut feelings don’t count.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
JD's history of trading and free agency.
The kind of players he likes to acquire, how he spends his money and how he goes about improving a team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Given the circumstances of murky ownership this off-season
JD has been given the greenlight to fix the team as he sees fit – like other GMs. If he screws it up, he’s gonzo.
A team with a small market payroll and other glaring needs just gave a 39 year old pitcher with a lifetime 5.20 ERA accrued over 400 IPs $ 3.5 million with a vesting option.
Say hello to October 2005 all over again.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Go root for another team.
Seriously. You seem to just hate this franchise. So leave.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Should read "39 year old pitcher with lifetime ERA at TBiA of 5.20
accrued over 400 IPs…"
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
You're getting sloppy, Josey.
What happened to Nolan being empowered and taking a more active role in baseball operations and moving to remove the other element?
Glaus would be great if he agrees to a one year deal
I think JD is locked into a one year deal as a seat warmer for Smoak. Maybe JD can pitch a one year deal to Glaus and convince him that he can run up his numbers here and get a more lucrative multi year full time in the field deal next year when hopefully the economy is better. It worked for Bradley, DeRosa, and possibly Byrd. Use RBiA to your advantage and maybe Glaus agrees. Otherwise I think you’re better off just standing pat and trading for a bat if you’re in contention in July.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Signing Oliver tells me...
1. More money is on the way. Although it may be in March or so, after the sale is clear and complete.
2. I personally think Oliver is a cheap-enough upgrade, plus, can we really have too many solid Lefties?
3. If $3 million is all we have? We’re screwed anyway. So, why debate the details? $3 million will not save or destroy this team.
by 3Bagger on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Don't you know that if we can sign Johnny Gomes we are locked into the World Series?
Anything that impedes our signing of Gomes is horrific!!!!!
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
3M might not be all we have
but if 5M was all we have, then we are now screwed whereas before we were not
and I really don’t see how more money is on the way. even if they were 95% sure that the deal was going to go through, it’s not a done deal and that’s a lot of money for a bankrupt owner to be fronting hoping that a deal gets done.
it’s either a trade or veteran-ness can come from either the offense or defense
Money...
1. If $5 million is all we have? Why are we even fretting a championship? The Yankees-Sox spend $5 million on parking.
2. The Texas Rangers have an excellent (top quarter) marketplace. New owner(s) could realize some version of a Cuban-like turnaround there. It’s a sport’s community like no other.
3. Many people are arguing here like we’re the Royals. We actually have financial upside. As long as the next owner doesn’t go long EToys or something. The Rangers fan base, disgruntled and under-appreciated as they are, will convert.
and that 5M number can be as high as 8M
where this signing would negatively affect future acquisitions.
Big Picture
That’s my focus. No one can micro-manage their way out of this one. We either have an ownership that’s wants to develop a franchise, or we don’t. If we don’t? Then $3m, $5m, $8m, it won’t matter. We’ll be watching prospects develop, hoping we can find the Tampa Bay magic spot.
What are you talking about?
I seriously have no idea what you are saying. Don’t complicate this. If we have a certain payroll, this signing is fine. However, if we are underneath that payroll and have limited resources, this signing is not. No amount of hope and good intentions changes that. There is some good talent on the cheap out there that could really help our club and if you start spending your money on relief pitching – it is bad. Unless we do a trade.
all of them?
every single one that people have mentioned? I don’t get your point. you think vlad, dye, thome are just not real upgrades over our internal options? Or you think they will go for more money?
playoffs are decided by one or two games
do those players potentially add one or two games of value over who they’d be replacing? I think so.
I don’t really know what your plan is but to say that players below a certain skill level are just interchangeable is kind of dumb.
You're calling my take dumb now?
Okay.
Your take is Oliver ends the progress train as clear-cut winners sit everywhere? BS. You go sign Thome and GM this team to the top!
this opinion
“I don’t really know what your plan is but to say that players below a certain skill level are just interchangeable”
if you agree with it is dumb – yes. sorry.
Injury history, not allowed to shoot roids anymore. F him.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
did you look at his '08 stats
that I linked above?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Glaus
He’s older. He had 29 AB’s last year, right? You know?
He may be worth a gamble, but all the names I read about are gambles. I’d wait for Spring Training and see if new owners and new offers develop. I would not throw $5 million to someone risky or declining. The Andruw Jones and Sosa players don’t put you in the Playoffs. Darren Oliver was in the Playoffs.
How has that Fullmerian Theory on
Acquiring Cheap Hitting worked in the past for This Thing?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Milton Bradley and Kenny Lofton both performed really well.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 21, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
So did Sosa had he been used correctly
GMJ, Byrd, Derosa
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Lofton did really well
after the team broke the gate 23-42.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Tex got off to some slow starts as well.
Lofton is one hell of a player if he is the only one that caused that team to get out of the gate 23-42.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
No it was all Lofton's fault, he caused the team to be 19 under .500
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
When you have a small market payroll and still spend $ 6 million on a 40 year old CF
while your team breaks the gate 23-42, you didn’t spend your money wisely.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Dec 21, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Lofton was signed with the great possibility of being traded mid season for prospects, which he was.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
Lofton was signed with the great possibility of being traded mid season for prospects, which he was.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
No.
JD said he built the 2007 team with thoughts of contending.
Only after This Thing shit the bed fantastic did he move off that plan and devise “The 5 Step Plan.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Right, because most teams come right out of the gate and tell the fanbase we are going to suck, don't bother coming to the ballpark.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
You shit the bed every day
and Adam won’t get rid of you so deal with it. We have a 5 step plan of getting rid of you it just hasn’t worked out so well for us yet.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Was the slow start all him?
Come on paperboy you know better than that. Everyone of us could cherry pick numbers to fight our argument. Damn Davis for those infield hits doesn’t he know they don’t count like line drive hits?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
is this for real?
you are ending your post with “darren oliver was in the playoffs.”
forget the rest of our conversation, we just aren’t going to agree.
Insult me all you want,
if the franchise needs some character guys? What’s wrong with Darren Oliver? He has Ranger legacy, tons of Playoff experience, and he’s not injured or in need of a steroid shot.
rangers legacy?
what does that do?
and the franchise needs character guys? why? do we have any bad character guys on the team?
whatever. like i said, we aren’t going to agree. I’m sorry if you took that as an insult.
Apology accepted...
Legacy creates media stories and helps community outreach (both help marketing, sales, so, more money to spend). Oliver was here during some decent Ranger seasons. Writers will have something to write about with him. More so than most Lefty Set-up men offer.
Yes
JD signed Oliver for media stories and community outreach. That’s it. Genius.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 21, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Legacy, character, goodwill...
These things are mocked and ridiculed daily at LSB. How are these things so “over-rated” in so many people’s opinions? Oliver also has some stats that back up his production also. Oliver is a great guy to have around. Well, ask T-Levine, he said even more than I did about it today.
He was signed
because he’s a good pitcher who will help the team win and he isn’t a clubhouse cancer.
He wasn’t signed so guys like Gil Lebreton can write a column about the good ole days.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 21, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
You have to be kidding me. I have spent several posts defending this move on multiple fronts. Legacy, et al? That was just another one. I love Darren Oliver.
I know you think it's good
Legacy creates media stories and helps community outreach (both help marketing, sales, so, more money to spend). Oliver was here during some decent Ranger seasons. Writers will have something to write about with him.
But THAT is dumb.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 21, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
In the sea of Oliver bitterness?
Did I mention he probably signed over 100,000 autographs while playing here?
THAT is goodwill. What a glorious day.
you really think the amount of autographs he signed 10 years ago factored into why JD signed him?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 21, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that legacy is important
Since it is looking more and more like the Rangers may be a third place team in 2010 I think the fans should get some of what they want – some incentive to come to the park. Now, I don’t think Oliver is that guy. I think Pudge Rodgriguez was that guy. He is the only player I would go to the park just to see play (maybe Elvis too). If there is this money for Oliver there was enough to bring Pudge back for the fans. And certainly Pudge would have done as well as whatever retread they will find out there for a little less money. The “dynasty” so often referred to as starting in 2010 is going to be somewhat delayed IMO. The fans love Pudge and he could have filled a role here – backup catcher, right hand bat. Statheads won’t agree but the average fan will be sorry that he’s gone. I am.
Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson
Pudge signed for 2 years and way too much money with Washington.
I think 2 mil? Way over-priced…
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
Agreed. I loved having Pudge here. I just plain love that guy. Always will.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 22, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
except all indications are that they don't at all
it’s the one thing that we’ve got close to an absolute answer on.
well the timing of the Millwood-Harden deals seems to suggest otherwise
What a drag it is being broke.
then again, maybe the pending sale to Greenburg
has had some affect on the budget since those deals went down.
What a drag it is being broke.
They'd have to have a hell of a lot more money than we think...
…for this to be a good signing.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 21, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
Apparently you are still riding the 2000-ish-as-a-starter-Oliver-sucks train.
~3.65 for a very consistent set-up guy is about what Juan Cruz got last season…and didn’t cost a draft pick.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Seem to remember quite a bit of hand wringing
over not signing Juan Cruz last offseason…
we had a different payroll last year
well, we all perceived that we did. the juan cruz money was just money not spent.
I'm less worried about this year's bullpen than last year's bullpen
And I still think a power righty is more of a need than an 89 mph throwing lefty.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
No
Look at his numbers…WHIP too high, K/BB to high, and has only been decent in the NL.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
And how did that work out?
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Not my point
My point was AJM and many others where incensed when the Rangers didn’t sign Cruz last year.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
x
Apparently you are still riding the 2000-ish-as-a-starter-Oliver-sucks train.
No, I’m not. As I said in the morning post, Oliver has been good the past three years.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't have a problem with beefing up the bullpen
Especially given the composition of this pitching staff. And there is still plenty of time before ST, and plenty of DH options on the board.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I'm generally of the opinion that spending 3-4 million on a non-closer is almost always a bad idea, considering our payroll
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Dec 21, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, that's fair
I really don’t think anyone has correct numbers on payroll. I opine that there is a lot of misinformation being floated for a definite purpose.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
The question I see is...
how do you make an impact with a free agent that only cost $3 million?
Hitters are way more. Starters are way more?
First of all
have you not seen the market? There are a on of hitters out there that will have to settle for crap contracts. We can try to snag one of them.
But if they cost 5M, we might have been able to afford them before whereas now we can’t. And the issue is that our internal hitting solutions are potentially much worse than our internal relief pitching situation.
Give me some names...
I understand the concept. But, I haven’t read a name that offers certainty. Which is why my bigger thesis is, skip the Lowells and Thome’s, and hope for something else to emerge in March-April.
Since when did price determine how much of an impact someone would have?
We have seen some NRI who make well below 3.5 million have a nice impact on the team recently. Do you want us to up the offer to 5 or 6 million a year so it will mean he makes an impact?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
has anyone heard
about the ownership change affecting season ticket sales at all?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
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