Mariners acquire Brandon League from Toronto
by Baseball North on Dec 22, 2009 1:28 AM CST
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The Blue Jays and Mariners reached a tentative agreement on a swap that will send Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays for Brandon League and a prospect, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Presumably it'd take a solid prospect to balance out the deal. The FAN 590's Mike Wilner spoke to League and confirmed he's headed to Seattle for a physical, and the Seattle Times' Geoff Baker learned Morrow will take one in Florida tomorrow.
Morrow, 25, has a 3.96 ERA, 9.3 K/9, and 5.7 BB/9 in his 197.6-inning big league career. The hard-throwing righty was drafted fifth overall by the Mariners in '06. He made the team's Opening Day roster in '07 as a reliever, and stayed in that role to open the '08 season due to the Erik Bedard acquisition. He dealt with a shoulder injury that year. In August of '08 he transitioned to starting. Elbow issues surfaced in the spring of '09, but once healthy Morrow was back in the 'pen. He was sidelined by biceps tendinitis shortly thereafter, and it was back to starting in June. Morrow has a pretty serious injury history in his big league career; it's difficult to determine if the frequent role-switching was the cause or the effect. He is not yet arbitration-eligible and is under team control through 2013.
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has good stuff but with some mixed results. Let’s hope he doesn’t turn into another Aardsma for the Mariners. And the PTBNL should be decent since we’re talking about a very young talented player going to Toronto.
Cecil, Romero, Morrow. That’s a freaking nice foundation for a rotation if you ask me.
league is wild
and i think he’s been hurt before. But yeah that trade will be judged on the ptbnl
That's why they call them business sox
I'd rather have League than Morrow
and Seattle gets a ptbnl, too?
Why would you rather have League than Morrow?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I don't have any stats to back it up, but.....
seems like League is always tough on us, while BMorrow did give us this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playbyplay?gameId=290514113
and this:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/7/5/939089/chris-davis-on-being-sent-down
Got off my lazy ass & looked it up....
Rangers
vs. League 158/302/158/460
vs. Morrow 277/382/532/914
a little surprising
Obviously we don’t know who the ptnbl is, but it is a bit odd that they are apparently making a deal that they get they would get the short side of for this year in exchange for something in the future. Or at least that is the way Seattle and Toronto see it by putting in the ptnbl. Pretty much all their deals to this point have seemed to be all about this year.
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8:17am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the Yankees are working to re-acquire Javier Vazquez. The Braves have “always liked” Melky Cabrera and Nick Swisher, Sherman says.
eff that
they better like Borbon or whoever we got as well…that’s ridic if that’s the package it’s surrounded by…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Braves get
a very studly looking young pitcher in Vizcaino along with Cabrera. Not a bad deal for them I think.
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I would have traded
Font and David Murphy for Vazquez.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
And $10M from the Braves...can't forget that....
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 22, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
it is because we can’t spend money that we couldn’t have made that perfectly good offer and walked away with Vazquez.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
well, I believe Vazquez has no trade protection that would have eliminated us as well
I think I remember that he had a no trade clause preventing him from being traded to either of the West divisions.
What a drag it is being broke.
No kidding
BP has Vizcaino as the Yankees #2 prospect, and lone four-star (behind Jesus Montero). If the Braves didn’t want to pay Vazquez, which it would appear they did not, they got a decent return for him.
by Outworlder47 on Dec 22, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
for one year of Javy Vazquez?
I just don’t see the value in Melky, but I do love Nick Swisher. The thing is, the Yankees do this and turn around and sign Damon without missing a beat.
If I’m the Braves, knowing that the Yankees ultimately want to unload an OF to sign Damon, I ask for Swisher, David Robertson and a B prospect.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
why would the braves care about the yank's next move?
because I think the yanks are actually trying to unload one of their OFs. No arm twisting necessary. So don’t settle for Melky fucking Cabrera if you’re trading away one of the better available starters.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, I agree
I can’t imagine that a package including Melky is the top of Javy’s trade value right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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8:40am: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that it’s a two for one deal. The money is still unclear, though it would be a surprise to see the Braves pay any of Vazquez’s $11.5MM salary next year.
this was from Heyman about five minutes before that:
The Yankees are closing in on a deal for Vazquez, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (via Twitter). Heyman says the Yankees will acquire Vazquez and Boone Logan for Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and a prospect.
If that’s true…well then fuck. It must be nice to have money.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
and I really like Ryan Spilborghs
but that doesn’t mean I’d trade a healthy Rich Harden for him.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Fine...
Makes it that much sweeter when the Rangers kicke their ass in the playoffs this year.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I was about to ask who plays CF for the Yanks
Then I remembered that they traded for Curtis Granderson. Incredible.
I guess they are currently looking at:
C: Posada
1b: Teix
2b: Cano
ss: Jeets
3b: Bitch Tits
RF: Swisher
CF: Granderson
LF: Damon ??
DH: Nick Johnson
Rotation:
CC
Vazquez
Burnett
Pettitte
Joba/Hughes
Am I overreacting, or is this possibly one of the better teams (on paper) in the modern era?
What a drag it is being broke.
Good grief
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
remember this?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Ha!
That made me laugh quite a bit. Love this:
Yankees manager Joe Torre, whose pitching rotation, prior to the mass signing, lacked a clear seventh ace, now has the luxury of starting each of his hurlers twice a season.
“As they say, you can never have enough pitching in this league,” Torre said. “Especially come playoff time. Now, if we make it to the World Series, we’ll be able to start Pedro Martinez in Game 1 and still have him fresh and ready to go for a Game 287, should it be necessary.”
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Torre? is this quote from a couple years back
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'd just run Gardner out there.
He can defend the shit out of center or left.
On a team as loaded offensively as they are I think I’d rather run a great defender out in left.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You like Castlevania, don't you?" -Psycho Mantis.
by thedirkatron on Dec 22, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
one more thought on this:
Sucks to be TB, they might be top 5 team in MLB and still miss out on playoffs.
What a drag it is being broke.
MLB really pisses me off sometimes
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 22, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe if they had a better #5 they'd be the best in the modern era....
…This makes me hate every Yankee fan, especially those who don’t have a sort of geographical or familial allegiance to the team.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 22, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this so hard
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Theres not much worse than Yanks fans.....
who have never stepped foot in NY…..
except for Maybe Sox fans
by groundingout on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
My sister is a Yankee fan...sigh
Can’t stand that.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
You realize that a Joba/Phil Hughes #5 is like a more-developed Derek Holland
just saying, check your perspective when you complain about their #5
sarcasm my friend.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 22, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
career OPS by position
C: 859
1b: 923
2b: 818
3b: 965
ss: 847
RF: 818
CF: 828
LF: 794 (assuming Damon here)
DH: 849
That’s an average career OPS of 856 for the lineup. For reference, the Rangers team OPS last season was 764.
What a drag it is being broke.
that LF is a clown...sub 800 ops? Loser.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 22, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hell
Nick Johnson looks like the weak link. If they get Holliday that team will put up 1000+ runs in that little league park they play in.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Ground hog day
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Heh, commenters are decent there.
I don’t know if this is true, but if so….wow.
The luxury tax has collected $191 million since the last CBA. The Yankees have contributed $174 million of that.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 22, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I really don't understand...
why the Mariners handled Morrow the way they did.
I think this is a steal for Toronto.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
agree
after the Lee signing, the Jack attack has made a couple of questionable calls in acquiring Milton and now this weird Morrow thing…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Milton is a good risk
They sold awfully low on Morrow though
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
I just think people around here overrate MB
because his amazing year for us is crystalized in our minds. but he’s now a $15M/yr player with the Mariners with a history of injuries and problems with authority/umpires/press.
I suppose when you have a huge budget you can afford that risk, but (and I know I have argued the other side of this) if you have that sort of money, why not money whip Nick Johnson?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
they got a potentially useful DH
and unloaded a huge POS in the process. Basically they had $15M (or whatever the exact figure is) allocated to a roster spot and they upgraded that roster spot from a below replacement level player to a guy that at least has the potential to lead the league in OPS. That’s a pretty big win in my book.
What a drag it is being broke.
we shall see
I’m sure at points next year Milton will make this trade look like a heist. And then when the M’s are in the heat of an August pennant race, just after the trade deadline passes, he’ll blow a gasket and end the year with a whimper, as he is wont to do.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
to reiterate
Carlos Silva posted ERAs of 6.46 and 8.60 the last two years, and that’s in front of the best defense in the league and pitching in a huge pitchers park.
What a drag it is being broke.
I agree on the huge roster upgrade, and washing a sunk cost
I also agree with clark that Bradley could blow up on them, or be great.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
but you know pitching in the NL central
will allow him to get that back down to the 4.20 range, and he’s always been an innings eater type.
I don’t like the deal for the Cubs, either, by the way. It was a two sided salary dump, plain and simple. But don’t expect MB to post an OPS close to 1.000 over 500 PA next year. That was an abberation.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
pretend you are a GM
And you are forced to have either Milton Bradley or Carlos Silva on your team. Which would you take and how long would you think about it?
What a drag it is being broke.
yeah, I see you're point
I’m just saying that Milton Bradley at $15M/yr for two years is only a good finishing point when Carlos Silva at $12M/yr for two years is your starting point.
Otherwise, Bradley for two years at that cost is a very risky proposition.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
4.20 range?
Uh, no, he’s not going to do that. Not even his mom believes his FIP will be below 4.80 next year.
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he did it three years ago with the Twins
and that was in the AL.
But the point is moot because the Cubs will move him to their bullpen.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
You criticize them for acquiring a player with a history of injuries and then ask why they didn't grab Nick Johnson?
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Dec 22, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
huh
there is absolutely no down side to getting milton for freaking sliva…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Milton Bradley is like Terrell Owens
he is a siron song.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
But Silva
was completely worthless. Even Bradley blows up in spring training and they have to release him they might be coming out ahead.
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The Mariners...
did give up money, too. They probably don’t want Bradley to blow up in spring training or ever.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 22, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Not so fast about the Morrow trade
we don’t know the prospect yet.
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Reports say it might be Zach Stewart
who is a nice relief prospect but, that’s all he is.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
But I think we also need to remember
that the Mariners have handled Morrow very badly the last couple years and his value may not recover. I’d rather just keep Morrow in that situation, so I don’t really like this trade either unless the prospect is pretty high ceiling.
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I was afraid of the Morrow - Gamel trade rumors
which apparently were in some sort of discussion awhile back. I’m glad that one didn’t happen as the Mariners would have had a really good bat for a long time. This trade is very meh for them. They gave up the better talent.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I wonder if the Braves use freed up Vasquez money to go after Holiday or Bay
That has to be there plan, huh?
SI_JonHeyman
#braves still need an OF. holliday, bay, damon, dye or byrd would help, especially the first 2.
It is now being reported.....
That the Yankees have acquired every National League All-star for cash consideration.
We will see what the Red Sox counter with.
by death of the cool on Dec 22, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions
Does Zoo think he has to make a fairly big transaction
every week?
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His fantasy league Rockz!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
If the prospect is Wallace, Snider, or Drabek
the M’s won the trade big-time. If it’s anyone else, you may all cheer and laugh at us because Z made a bad move finally.
by .Taylor on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions
What's frustrating about the Yankees
is that I feel like their prospects never lose value despite their performances.
People have been talking about Melky as a legit prospect for awhile, now, despite the fact that he doesn’t steal with efficiency, hasn’t topped 752 OPS yet, and hasn’t shown consistent plus-defense.
I feel like the same goes for Phil Hughes and Joba, who have been turned into solid bullpen arms with questionable abilities as starters, yet continue to get “Toronto still waiting for Yankees to include Hughes” rumors.
You're overstating in this case, I think
In this market the size of the contract the Yankees took on matters a little. The Yankees don’t have to offer more than other teams just because they can afford the contract, quite the opposite. They knew the Braves had to deal with someone in the east who could afford the payroll jump. It was a limited market. I would have just kept Vazquez instead of trying to trade him under such circumstances, but they landed an average bat who can play any OF position, and top pitching prospect and payroll relief. It’s really not that bad a deal all in all.
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So now knowing that it is...
Yohermyn Chavez to go along with Brandon League for Brandon Morrow, I have to say that’s not a good trade for Mariners. Morrow is cheaper and probably offers a little bit more value overall than League and Chavez was Rule 5 eligible. He’s the ultimate lottery ticket. He’s a scratch off.
If you look at the Cliff Lee deal as Cliff Lee, Brandon League, and Yohermyn Chavez for Brandon Morrow, Tyson Gillies, Phillippe Aumont and Juan Ramirez, it’s still a ridiculous win for the Mariners but perhaps a little less salty.
You can’t really look at it like that, however.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 22, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions
i dont agree that it is a ridiculous win
1 year of Cliff Lee is all they get…1 year
Fuck Mike Estabrook
I guess I'm the only guy here who likes League
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
At least for next year...
I’d wager that Darren Oliver will be a better pitcher than Brandon League.
I do like League’s potential, though.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 22, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
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