LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #17
by Gdawg on Dec 23, 2009 12:19 PM CST
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After garnering 23% of 167 votes, Guillermo Moscoso has won the right to be called the LSB Community #16 prospect!
The List So Far:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
#2. LHP Martin Perez
#3. 1B Justin Smoak#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers
#5. RHP Michael Main
#6. LHP Robbie Ross
#7. RHP Wilmer Font
#8. RHP Danny Gutierrez
#9. RF/DH/1B Mitch Moreland
#10. LHP Kasey Kiker
#11. SS Jurick Profar
#12. C Max Ramirez
#13. RHP Blake Beavan
#14. RHP Pedro Strop
#15. CF Engel Beltre
#16. RHP Guillermo Moscoso
So its finally time to move on to number 17. Polls are open so vote now.
As usual, write in the comments if you want someone added to the list. If Kinslerhomer or D-Tron want to take this back over, please feel free to do so.
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Way to be a leader
I went Poveda here.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 23, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions
Switched from Telis to Poveda
I really don’t think he should drop too much farther especially being at the advanced level hes at.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If Moscoso is going to be number 16
then Hurley shouldn’t be too far back. He has the better ceiling and is pretty much as close to the Majors as Moscoso.
I also think its time for people to start looking at Edwin Escobar. I’m sure the scouting reports aren’t the greatest for him since he’s not talked about as another Martin Perez, but he was a 17 year old who had a 9.6 K/9 and a 3.2 BB/9. He also only gave up 1 HR in his 45.2 IP in the AZL. Ignoring the 5.00 ERA and his debut was amazing.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
yeah, but The Guillermo does have the advantage
of not having a throwing shoulder full of Laffy Taffy
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Dec 23, 2009 5:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hate to go all KoK
But talk to me about Hurley when he’s shown he can pitch effectively again. I think he can help out of the bullpen, but I doubt he’s gonna start again anytime soon coming off shoulder surgery.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
He's not a pitcher
who profiles well out of the pen in any capacity; it takes him about two innings to get up to his second stage velo range, from 87-90 to 90-94. I think his best bet is to make it as a starter, short-term, long-term…
I've seen Hurley several times
and I’ve never seen him below 90. He begins games 90-92 and ends them at 92-95.
Many starting pitchers do that. This allows pitchers to go deeper into games for two reasons: (1) it gives hitters a different look between their first and second at bats and (2) it conserves energy.
If Hurley converts to the bullpen (which I think he will), then I see no reason that he won’t come into a game throwing at his max velocity. The big question is what will that be.
by spurdynasty on Dec 23, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
The "eyeball test" - really?
For someone who projects prospect futures so thoroughly based in data sets of one sort or another, I’m surprised by your “eye test” and energy conservation theory (environmentalist though I am) defense of Hurley’s bullpen future though I did find it enjoyable.
The fx data and scouting reports are completely congruent with my comment on him: 87-90/90-94; get hits hard early; pitches up in the zone; throws too many pitches; big slow windup. There is also one other indisputable fact: projecting a starter as a reliever is not as simple as you seem to think- how one pitches matters most in that kind of transition and in Hurley’s case, you have to make the argument for a favorable transition based on how he actually ptiches and why this is suited for a primary bullpen role.
In this case, the eyeball test fails.
Velocity readings are eyeball tests - really?
Hurley was pitching hurt for at least part of his time in Arlington in 2008, which likely contributed to the fastball velocities that you cite from Pitch f/x data.
If Hurley returns to his former self following surgery and rehab, then he has an above average fastball and an above average slider that will likely work well out of the bullpen. It will also allow him to drop the change-up that gave him fits while he tried to develop it in the upper minors.
I'll put my stock on
the major league guns and the fact that he wasn’t injured before his call up and touched 95 in his last start before he was Dl’d, suggesting, that he wasn’t feeling all that badly, and he pitched pretty well in fact. However, by the time he reached AAA his average velo had dropped a couple of ticks anyways but his changeup was actually pretty good in 08 after he switched to a split finger grip. Finally for someone who has never warmed up quckly in his entire career, getting cut on your labrum/RC is only going to make it worse it would seem. While some may be right that the bullpen is less stressful on a shoulder in general, I wonder if this won’t be the case for Hurley because of this. Time will tell.
I went with Kirkman
His ceiling isn’t around Telis/Weiland/Sardinas/Velazquez/Boscan, but given his proximity and high floor, I gave him the nod. His numbers against lefties might be a little scary, but that’s with a 363 BABIP- so, at worst, he might figure in as a decent velocity, good K/9 LOOGY.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Wieland again
I’m really ehhhh right now on Poveda, who could turn into a right-handed Matt Harrison if that K rate doesn’t come back up.
Interesting to see Telis handily beating them both. I’ve been considering jumping to him for awhile, but I haven’t been able to get past the hasn’t-gotten-beyond-20-games-of-low-A factor just yet. Christian Santana mashed at those levels too, although he obviously K’d a shit-ton more.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
Wieland
If people are going to vote Hurley here they may as well write in Jason Botts. Hurley is so 2007.
Go Rice Owls!
Poveda again here
he’s the best right now IMHO
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I could go with Poveda.
But instead I’m going with Lemon just ’cuz. I reserve the right to care more about his 2009 later.
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