Friday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 4, 2009 9:25 AM CST
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PrintI already covered the Galloway column on the ownership situation last night, so I'm not going to re-hash that again. But realistically, the ownership situation is the story this offseason. Everything else, until that is resolved, is pretty much secondary, since so much is in limbo until it is determined who the new owner is going to be and how much that owner is going to authorize be spent.
Jeff Wilson runs down the Rangers' possible targets at the winter meetings, although again, the market is likely to be slow, and the Rangers aren't likely to do anything significant until the ownership situation is resolved.
Wilson also writes about Steve Beuchele taking over as manager for Frisco in 2010, along with other items discussed by Jon Daniels in a press conference yesterday.
T.R. Sullivan says that the Rangers' payroll is likely to go down in 2010 from 2009, at least until the ownership situation is resolved, and runs down what he thinks the team should look like if the Rangers simply signed no one this offseason. The Rangers, of course, signed no major league free agents last offseason, although they added Omar Vizquel and Andruw Jones (among others) on minor league deals.
Richard Durrett thinks C.J. Wilson should be a starter.
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Ownership
The mid-December timing is just for Hicks, MLB, the banks, et al., to select and agree on the winning bid. It will then take several months for the MLB and NHL approval processes to be completed.
Maybe this is a special situation, but I would surprised if the ownership change has much impact on this offseason. I think it’s more realistic to hope that it’s completed by the spring so the team could have the flexibility to add someone during the season if needed.
weren't the Cubs
able to make some pretty big moves in the middle of their sale recently? How did they pull that off?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
and that's why we need his
shady, under the table, win at all cost moxy in the mix.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The Bonds deal
It wasn’t shady or under the table.
by Darrell McKown on Dec 4, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
well
that’s too bad. I was hoping for some sort of supervillian…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Right, but....
the prior owner was solvent and signed off on the deal. Had the deal fallen through or not been approved, Bob Lurie would have been on the hook for the contract.
In this case, Hicks can’t sign off on anything and I doubt MLB would agree to backstop any expensive moves.
by Darrell McKown on Dec 4, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
So, the most positive Ranger news today...
….is that Boo is now the AA manager…
What a shitty off-season.
Anyone seen this Costas interview of Selig? Costas is kinda getting in his grill and Selig looks like a moron….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 AM CST reply actions
it won't be shitty
until all the teams around us start making moves to improve while we sit around fingering our assholes. for now, it is smart to sit and watch the market develop, and I like that we may be able to take advantage of the rule 5 draft this year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The good news is that This Thing
doesn’t need a massive overhaul.
We need a couple of shrewd moves…find somebody (doesn’t have to be a star) who may be hiding under a rock or blocked who can get on base and mash LH pitching. I don’t know who that person is but JD should and he needs to trade for him or get him in some kind of throw in deal.
We also need some bullpen arms and if none are available turn to your internal options. There are at least 8, maybe more pitchers vying for our rotation next year. Those that don’t make the rotation may need to become relievers (key word is may) and I’m thinking of both Brandon McCarthy & Matt Harrison.
There will be no acceptable excuses for JD to do this off-season what he did last off-seaon or at the 2009 trade deadline. It’s almost 2010 which means it’s time for him to quit hanging his hat on the Teixeira Trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
i agree
really good he stopped hanging his hat on the tex trade and went out and got guys like darren o’day and drafted smoak and scheppers
Yeah
Im glad he stopped hanging his hat on guys like Feliz and Andrus who he acquired in that Tex trade
Fucking scrubs
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So we're up to 87 wins...
now what?
The undying love of the LSB Lewinskys can only take you so far before you need to do something else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
What do you suggest?
This team has no ability to sign anyone. So obviously your plan of action involves giving up prospects for players. So, who should we go get?
Note, this isn’t a backwards looking question. We all know you wanted V Mart.
LSB Lewinskys? Seriously?
That should be the new name of Lewin’s band.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
ElectricOkra.com
Repulsed/Feeling Fat?
I think, the Star-Telegram needs some new ads.
by GregoryM on Dec 4, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions
I like the one to our right here...
…..naughty little Elf…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 4, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Ugh
Just discussing this with my friends and I have to think that JD is fired upon sale, or fired one year in. Regardless, I hate to think about a new owner coming in and making brash, poorly thought out decisions, because that could very well rewind us to when Hicks bought the team. I can’t take another 15 years of bullshit from the front office. I’m depressed now.
Not to be too liberal with analogies
But the Wiemar Republic in Germany sucked. Really bad. But the “change” was a helluva lot worse.
I think what we’re seeing now is that the reality of the “Hicks must be gone at all costs” argument is setting in. And in fact, the “at all costs” it is a lot scarier than it seemed even a few days ago. Maybe Gilbert would be a great owner, combining the strong trajectory this team has been on with resources that the club hasn’t seen in ten years.
Or maybe he’ll be the worst thing to ever happen to the Rangers, another busy-body Peter Angelos (far scarier than Jerry Jones, who at least won a couple of Superbowls) who runs the organization into the ground. The one thing worse than being a midmarket club that struggles to contend every year would be another Baltimore or Mets who spends twice as much as the league average and fails all the time.
Go Rice Owls!
So what it comes down to is that
you would rather have the organization live with the current shitty conditions because you’re afraid of change and the possibility that JD may be further castrated or shown the door.
I’m sorry, the current conditions for the #5 media market team are unacceptable. And if change means that JD and/or Ryan are shown the door, the risk for change of the unacceptable is worth it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
And yet, who'd a thunk it?
Ryan as martyr after all.
This fucking script ..
“We’re all just players on a stage.”
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 4, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the status quo is or ever was an option
but yes, I would be more comfortable with a financially solid group of local investors, even if led by Tom Hicks ( not the same financial debacle that owns the team now), than what I have read about Gilbert so far.
Of course, Gilbert could be Arte Moreno, and I’ll look dumb for saying all this.
Go Rice Owls!
And would you rather have a new owner come in here...
and trade away Smoak and Perez and Scheppers for veterans just to inflate the payroll? Maybe go out and sign Lackey or Harden to a huge multi year deal?
Personally I want an owner who sees what this organization is right now. We don’t have the room to suppoert a 100 million dollar payroll this year. But if we had an owner who would leave the FO in place, let our young kids grow and develop, and supplement them in areas of need with veterans either thru trade or FA that would be great.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
bigsteve
You and a lot of people have been dumbed down into accepting the myth that this team can’t support a $ 100 million payroll. We are not the Milwaukee Brewers or Minnesota Twins. We are the 5th largest media market in a sports crazy area. DFW will support a winner, especially if they know the owner is as passionate about winning as he is about making money.
This organization should be modeled after the Philadelphia Phillies. Build from within, determine who your best players are and then keep them, make shrewd trades when needed and sign the right free agents when they come available.
When a Cliff Lee is made available when your team is in contention at the trade deadline, you go get him and you don’t have to give your very best prospects to do so.
That’s how the GM gets a standing ovation and endearing respect from the players in The Room.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
reading comprehension asshole
We don’t have the room to suppoert a 100 million dollar payroll this year
This year dumbass. We couldn’t do it unless we made stupid moves that would do more harm than good. Looking at our roster and whats available in FA, 100 million dollar payroll in 2010 is not going to happen. Unless you want to dole out 20 million dollar a year contracts for Lackey and Bay which would just be spending for the sake of spending.
Now in 2011 or 2012 when our young guys have accrued service time and we have guys entering arbitration along with veterans we sign or whatever then yes we should be at 100 million. But its how you got there not just the number. We have had a 100 million dollar payroll before but it was because we wasted money on CHP, and gave millions to middle relievers. The Phillies didn’t get to their payroll level by simply throwing money around. They built a core of talent and when those guys were developed and ready to win they supplemented them with veterans and their payroll grew naturally. Thats what I want here.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Did you happen to be at Pluckers on Wed night?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 4, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
no why?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
There was a tall dude there
and you said you go there sometimes so I was curious. My team got screwed on the live trivia — pretty sure the winning team was using cell phones to look up answers. Still bitter.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 4, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
heh
No I was up there the Wednesday before Thanksgiving with my GFs family. That trivia is pretty cool. Although I can never understand what the guy is saying its so loud.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
oooooooooooooooooooooook
And whats that supposed to do
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't think anyone here
is concerned about Gilbert’s negotiating savvy.
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A year ago
I made this post. Wrong – we were pretty good.
So, however I feel right now should be wrong again, right? So what does it mean if I feel we’ll probably win 83-88 games again next season? Disaster looms?
for the
CJ should be a starter crowd. Is Durrett’s argument the best you have? Do the Rangers really want to have a ~$3M RP learn how to be a SP again?
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Wilson should be a starter
if he’s one of the 5 best starter candidates. That’s the argument in total. Put the best pitchers in the rotation.
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by t ball on Dec 4, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So we should put Frankie in the roto too?
Seriously though, I just don’t see CJ having much success in the roto especially this year.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 4, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
CJ is not very economical with his pitches
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Come on,
you know that Frankie won’t be a starter. I agree, I kind of doubt Wilson makes it for that many innings myself, he’s just not focused enough.
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I think CJ has the arsenal to become
a good starting pitcher and given the success of LH pitchers in Arlington it’s an option worth persuing.
For those who didn’t see him back in the day, CJ is very similiar to Kenny Rogers circa ’91-92 and should have at least a 60% chance of having the same success Rogers had.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Yep
got to love 2 pitch pitchers…
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 4, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't forget the gyro...
and it’s still 2!!
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
Mmmmm
Gyros…
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
what does this mean Richard?
How will Wilson’s stuff work the second and third time around? That’s the big question. Opponents did bat .325 against him, so he put men on base. Still, I think Wilson can do it and if he can, that’s another lefty in the rotation.
Is the .325 regarding batters that hit against him during his brief stint as a starter (their second and third time at bat)? Batters hit .234 against him this year unless you’re confusing it with the .325 OBP that batters had against him, that must be it, because why would you say that a pitcher who is hit at a .325 clip and gives up lots of walks, is a good candidate for the rotation?
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
I went to CJ's first start
I remember I took my dad to the Ranger game for Father’s day an it ended up that CJ was the starter. I still have the score card. It was pretty much ground ball after ground ball going in between SS and 3B. Now that the left side IF defense is better, he might be able to succeed as a starter.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
OT: Snowing in Houston.
I’ve seen snow and I’ve seen palm trees. But I’ve never seen snow AND palm trees! Crazy!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Yeah weird weather today.
No snow in Dallas, but the farther south you go, the more it’s snowing. It’s usually the complete opposite.
@Rotoworld_BB K. Millwood -S -TEX: Report: Rangers willing to deal RHP Millwood http://tinyurl.com/mqaqpo
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Of course we are willing
But I don’t see it happening unless the return is decent and we turn around and replace him in the rotation, Harden perhaps?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't mean this about you
But, I don’t see how that is news. I’m sure everyone is willing to trade any player — just depends on the price.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 4, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there's a lot of smoke in these woods...
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Nationals
are said to want pitching, as are the Orioles. Willingham is an intriguing target, and Wigginton would give us greater defensive flexibility.
The Nats are said to also be looking for “a backup catcher who they are comfortable having as a starter for a prolonged period”…
Does a Millwood/Teagarden for Willingham/Sean Burnett deal make sense considering this team’s needs?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I think we could have guessed your answer.
by brettgardner on Dec 4, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
now, if it had been phrased
trade Millwood + Tea for Willngham + Burnett and then sign Cameron…..
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Dec 4, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
about what?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
a year of Millwood at 12M
and a catcher I have all but given up on for two years of a RH power bat and a strong lefty in the pen seems fair to me. I figured people would tell me it isn’t a realistic return…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
pitching is premium
and millwood for 1 year is more valuable than people realize. we need guys who can eat innings, especially with so many starting possibilities that are young or who have not made it through a full season. you’ll kill the bullpen if you don’t have a guy like millwood to eat 7 innings every now and then. look at what happened with oakland last year. their bullpen was way overworked because their starters were young and needed to be managed with care.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
more valuable
than two years of a RH masher and a left handed bullpen guy? I’m not proposing we give him away, I think this is a fair deal and should clear up some money to make a legit run at Harden or Sheets.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
this may not be giving him away
but I’d rather get a real impact bat in Dunn than Willingham. Washington would not want one year of Millwood. They need to build for their future which means prospects.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think he's exactly the type they go after...
maybe McCarthy or Willingham? Does this team dare to listen to the siren song of Elijah Dukes RH power/patience combo? Can Wash make him his new Bradley?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
that explains it.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 4, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
are you gonna build a snow man Mike E?
put a Ranger hat and a frown on it and post it.
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
by BigGuns on Dec 4, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is snowing in Detroit...and noone cares
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
by BigGuns on Dec 4, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When it rains, it pours.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 4, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
The big question this winter really
isn’t who the new owner will be. It is who will be the veteran catcher they sign. :)
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Why don't we have a LSB night in Houston?
There are quite a few of us here…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Nah.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 4, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Just noticed the new tagline
the old one was definitely getting stale.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
M's figgin to sign Figgins
we’ll see….
Ken_Rosenthal
M’s on verge of signing Figgins. Two sides very close. Four years, $36 million range
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 4, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions
9mil a year for Figgins?
That seems a little steep to me.
I wonder how that breaks down.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
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No
That’s a good deal for them
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
that seems like a really good deal
players seem to be signing smaller deals. Scutaro, coming off a career year is pretty much getting 6M per, Figgins 9M per, and Polanco 6M per. Seems like the bar is set lower this year. These are all type A players, and with the exception of Polanco, were offered arbitration.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
yeah, but he was paid less than 6mil last year
Yeah, he hit .298 with 42 SB, but he will turn 32 next season. No way he can keep that up, especially not for a 50% bump in salary.
I don’t think it’s a bad deal, just not what I had envisioned he would sign for.
And, dammit, why does he have to stay in the AL West??
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
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