LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #2
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 4, 2009 11:29 PM CST
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After garnering 86% of 148 votes, Neftali "Perez" Feliz has won the right to be called the LSB Community #1 prospect!
The List So Far:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
Time to move on to the vote for #2.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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I wonder how close this will be between Smoak and Perez
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Based on the early returns, not very
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Telis is the first one listed, so he must be the top guy
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 5, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's very close for me...
but I went with Perez.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
My votes so far
- Navidad
- The P’rez
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 5, 2009 1:08 AM CST reply actions
I gotta go
with Matt Purke.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Dec 5, 2009 2:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I went with Tomas Telis here.
I have a feeling these will be a bit unscientific without the presence of thedirkatron.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 5, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
this one's obvious guys
there are 2 teams, 1 has smoke and trades him to another team for perez… yeah smoaks going to make it to the bigs this year and be atleast adequate, but which end of the deal would you want your favorite team to be on. I think we all would want to be on the perez side here.
I want to be on the team that has both.
Luckily for me, the team that I love, does.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
I love Perez like a new beagle puppy
But the pitcher flameout rate is dastardly high, and I think the likelihood of Smoak failing is hyper-low. Here’s another factoid most aren’t aware of: Smoak’s LD rates last year were 28% in Frisco and 25% in OKC. This is one reason he didn’t hit as many home runs as we would have liked (Also culpable: Injuries) and also a great indication that he’ll be able to sustain a high BABIP at higher levels. With his astronomical walk rate, Smoaky could be a .400 OBP man.And writing that just gave me a bit of a boner.
Perez over Smoak
I’m glad that the plans are for him to spend the whole year in Frisco next year. I just don’t want to see him rushed.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
some prankster.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
I figured Pedro himself voted for Strop...
but more likely someone just misfired on a clik for Perez
I went with the P'rezident
I like Smoak, but not to sound like a broken record…his R/L splits are a tad worrisome…maybe worrisome is a bit strong, it just injects enough caution to let Perez slide ahead of him.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 8:50 AM CST reply actions
Perez is a as good a prospect as you can get at 19, but
I went with Smoak. Smoak, Perez, Scheppers, and Feliz all have All-Star ceilings. Smoak (and maybe Scheppers) is farther along by virtue of age, so I’ll go with the more developed prospects over Perez.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I like high ceiling, as I've said many times
Basically, I think that Scheppers, if healthy, will be better than Smoak, no question. Perez has a chance to be the best player on this entire club, but his development could slow. I’m more confident of Scheppers succeeding if healthy.
I view the three relevant guys like this:
Perez: extremely high ceiling, still seems to have somewhat high developmental risk due to age. And there is always the young pitcher injury risk. 10% chance of being the best.
Scheppers: very high ceiling, injury concerns are the only real risk I see. High ceiling college guys tend to have less development risk. 40% chance of being the best, 10% chance of being 2nd best (behind Perez), 50% being worst (due to injury)
Smoak: not as high ceiling as the pitchers, but not as much risk. Far more narrow expected value distribution. 55% chance of being the best, but due to failure of Perez and Scheppers, not him exceeding their potential.
So basically, I think Smoak would only be better than Perez or Scheppers if they failed. And I don’t worry about Scheppers injury as much as other people do. But I can understand any disagreement here.
Go Rice Owls!
Boy
struggle a bit in AAA in your first pro season and folks around here don’t look at you the same.
Yeah
There been quite a bit of overreaction to his struggles and his SSS of RH spilts but all that said I still like Martin more.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
There's been*
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think the split issues go back to his collegiate days.
Could be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Most switch hitters have a platoon split
and Smoak’s BABIP RH was .200 with a 16% LD so had some bad luck.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
I suck at writing… so he had some…
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
And a 50% GB, so not all bad luck.
He was a slap hitter from the right side without slap hitters speed.
Yeah but
So you want him to hit more popups? Grounders have a better chance of going for hits then popups. His BABIP still should have been in the .240 range at least.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
For a first baseman with no speed...
…you probably want more fly balls.
And definitely more homers.
That said, I still think he profiles more as a switch-hitting John Olerud than the next Mark Teixeira. I think folks are going to be disappointed when he comes up and is a 20-25 homer per year guy.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know how many HRs he hits
but I do think that he has way more raw power than an Olerud, at least from the left side. The ball leaps off of his bat.
And this doesn’t always come true, but let’s remember that not every power hitter hits a ton of HRs the second they’re in pro ball or generally when they’re 22. You guys were saying these things about Adrian Gonzalez (as were scouts) right through when he was in the majors.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Olerud comps for Smoak
I would be thrilled if we get something like Olerud out of Smoak.
Olerud was a very, very good player. Much under-rated IMO.
16 year career with .398 career OBP and career 128 OPS+. Also had a couple seasons around 1.000 OPS.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
check out Olerud's age 24 season
.363/.473/.599
54 doubles and 114 walks.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
I always emulated Olerud when playing wiffle ball.
Loved his swing.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I know they do, but I thought his was pretty noticeable RH v LH
Like he is MUCH better LH than he is RH, even going back to college…better he have issues vs. LHP than RHP though.
Either way, he’s still an animal in an animal packed system.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
well, maybe not for our team since we can't hit Lefties...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
But if he can be an OBP monster with some power left-handed, he’s going to provide a major overall boost to this offense regardless of being weak right-handed.
I worry a lot less about a good overall hitter who struggles against lefties rather than righties, because (A, it’s easier to “hide” a guy from lefties if need-be, and (B, hitting righties well provides a lot more value than hitting lefties well. See also: Howard, Ryan.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 5, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t have any problem with Perez being ranked second.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
seems like over the last few months, we've heard a few different comments from a few different voices
intimating that Perez could be coming up sooner than we might have thought.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Halftime - Man City 1 - Chelsea 1
Adebayour has scored for both teams. That’s dominating a soccer game.
I'd be okay with a draw
Unfortunately, Arsenal needs to worry more about Man City than Chelsea at this point, I think.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I am curious...
For those who voted Perez here: if you had Perez and somebody wants to trade you Smoak for him, how much extra would you ask for to complete the deal? (Currency is in Rangers minor leaguers).
Interesting question
I’d think one of the BeauJo/Phillips/Castillo reliever troika would fit
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Well, it's not like I'd throw in a dynamo like Ballard or Bianucci or Chad Tracy
Tracy’s got a good chance of breaking camp with the big league team and hitting in the middle of the order, you know
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
You know
We could have saved some time and just combined the top four into one- and made the options the different configurations of Fleas/’Teen/Smoak/Schep; then moved on to when the real discussions start
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
From a Scott Lucas email today
Liga Mexicana del Pacifico
Luis Mendoza’s prolific, productive winter continues. Already logging 63 innings, Mendoza has a 2.84 ERA with 21 walks and 57 strikeouts. His teammates include John Mayberry (hitting .313/.389/.493 and frequently manning center field) and Jason Botts (.188/.232/.313), who apparently made his professional debut as a catcher(!) last night. Allegedly, Botts caught an eight-hit, no-walk shutout, didn’t make any mistakes in the field, and picked off a runner at second. Fascinating if true.
I think the Rangers...
just found their catcher.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Martin Feliz for me
I understand the flameout/injury concerns of young pitching, but I can’t help salivating over an 18yo holding his own in AA. And I understand Smoak is almost a lock to be a productive ML player, I just like the upside of P’rez more. Scheppers is 2a for me.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
So Perez is going to be #2
and yet many on here would give him up before Smoak
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
I wouldn't give up either.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 5, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
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