Saturday morning Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 10:52 AM CST
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PrintFor those who dismissed the earlier reports about Tom Hicks, Dennis Gilbert, and Nolan Ryan because it came from Randy Galloway, T.R. Sullivan has a story up with much the same key details...
Per Sullivan, Hicks has given up on efforts to become involved in Gilbert's group, and if Gilbert prevails, Ryan is likely leaving the organization.
Jeff Wilson writes that Jarrod Saltalamacchia's setback is not unusual for someone recovering from Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, but that he's shut down baseball activities for a month, which makes it less than definite that he's going to be ready to go for the start of the season.
Sullivan has a story up that focuses on Justin Smoak, Mitch Moreland, and Chad Tracy, saying that all three are potential middle-of-the-order bats that could end up making the team out of spring training.
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I'm going to be open minded about Gilbert (even though it means Nolan is gone)
as long as the cancer Tom Hicks is gonzo.
Self-made bidnessman with good baseball background who seems very anxious to succeed a la Cuban but without as much money.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Heh
Kinda need the money to be like Cuban.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Gilbert is going to share Cuban's desire to
be successful and I think he also knows This Thing is the sleeping giant of MLB.
Cuban knew the Mavs could be successful because he saw how this area responded to the Mavs in the 80s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Why wouldn't you be pulling for the Greenberg group
that Nolan has attached himself to?
I’m hoping Greenberg gets is just because Nolan is aligned with him, and Gilbert seems like a real Chris Chris.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Josey is a complicated being.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm also awaiting response on this.
After a couple months, he’ll have thought of some trivial line that gets ejaculated to this question automatically.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 5, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well, in a thread yesterday, Josey explained that he's happy with a baseball person who
will keep JD from mucking everything up.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
My theory is that Josey is more enamored by Gilbert's outlaw-like position in the baseball world
than his actual baseball experience.
I don’t really see what Gilbert’s substantial experience is. He knows how to negotiate contracts, and I can see why the White Sox would keep a guy like that on staff, since they deal with tight payrolls, though to a lesser extent than the Rangers.
He did some scouting, but that doesn’t mean he was excellent at identifying talent. His track record there is really short, outside of his philanthropic activities for down-on-their luck scouts and their families.
There is no indication from his past what his organizational philosophy will be. So, I think his best asset as a “baseball man” is well-connectedness.
So, there’s very little success as a baseball player or as a baseball organization builder to guess what type of “hand-on” owner he will be.
I think Josey is enamored with the outlaw thing in Gilbert’s case, but maybe doesn’t realize it. Or, he’s putting way too much emphasis on Gilbert’s playing days and confusing Gilbert’s ability to negotiate with his ability to recognize talent and build organizations.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Josey is enamored with Gilbert for two reasons
1) He’s not Tom Hicks
2) He’s probably not going to keep Jonny Donuts around
Those are Josey’s two big bitches — he wants those two guys gone (and Ron Washington, of course, but Washington goes if Daniels goes).
If Gilbert buys the team, Hicks is gone, and Daniels is probably out the door not long thereafter.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said I'm open-minded about the Gilbert ownership group.
I think he will be driven like no owner we have ever had to make This Thing become a success.
Kevin Tower would be a very good hire. Remember him? He’s the guy that conned some inexperienced dumbass to give him both AG & CYoung for five bags of shit in his front yard.
The LSB Lewinsky sect is up in arms solely because Gilbert coming aboard means Little Boy Donuts will be likely be shown the door and it’s cracking me up how they suddenly love everything about Nolan Ryan and the massive change he implemented last season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
I could care less if JD is gonzo...
…I just don’t want some dip shit egomaniac bringing his Jerry Jones act to TBIA.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Are you talking to me about Towers?
I don’t have any issues with Towers. I’ve said on multiple occasions that if you are going to bring in a new g.m., Towers is one of the better choices.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
but no matter who comes in, if JD is gone and the Rangers are winning, that new GM is going to be doing it with JD’s young players. Something that the village idiot would never admit.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Who cares?
Doug Melvin won with Tom Grieve’s players. Doug Melvin didn’t do jack in terms of building up the farm system or developing young talent here, but he’s still canonized for supposedly turning the Rangers around.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
It was two bags of shit
Unless you really liked Aki
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Gilbert driven?
What evidence do you have that Gilbert will be any more driven to win than Greenberg?
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By good baseball background, do you mean his craptastic minor league career?
There’s a big difference between Nolan’s and Gilbert’s playing days.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
He was a power agent in the 90's I believe....
…I wonder if he’s more Bob Sugar than Jerry Maguire, that’s what I’m somewhat fearful of…
That and he wants to make player personnel moves…if he has someone in place to make those moves for him then I’m fine with Gilbert, a little flash never hurt I suppose…
I just don’t want him (or anyone who owns the club) making those player personnel/development type decisions.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"I spoke with a wife of a Ranger at LaGuardia Airport (just before the infamous siddown with Dom Chiti) and she told me everybody in the organization was pissed at Tom Hicks." - JDubs
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 5, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Cuban had a good basketbal background?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's a whole different thing
to apply the Cuban model in MLB than in the NBA. The operations hardly resemble each other at all.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
its alot easier to just throw money into a NBA team and see immediate results whereas thats not the case in MLB
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well, that's not really what happened with the Mavs
Mark Cuban inherited, in their youth, what would go on to be 2 of the greatest players of the 00-10 decade. What he initially brought to the franchise didn’t have much to do with money.
Yep
People seem to forget that Cuban inherited a team with a Hall of Fame coach and Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, and Steve Nash in place.
To borrow a phrase from Molly Ivins, in terms of being an NBA owner, he started off on third and thought he hit a triple.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I first heard it used...
…by Ivins vis-a-vis GW.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Good one.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm
some trace it back to Barry Switzer in an ’86 article in the Chicago Tribune, but I found an earlier attribution to a writer from Time magazine about Superior Oil CEO Howard Keck in 1983:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4093121
Jim Hightower used it as a Dubya putdown at the Dem. convention in 1988, Ivins was probably there.
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I think Sullivan is as bored with this offseason if he's talking about Tracy as a middle of the order bat for the Rangers, ever.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Yeah
he had a premise and a quote from Daniels, and he wanted to fit all three pegs into the same hole. The idea that Tracy “gets serious consideration” in ST seems ridiculous to me. He hit .279/.333/.488 as a no defense player in a full AA season at age 24.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
and they exposed him to the Rule 5 draft, right?
that’s not exactly a vote of confidence that he’s in their long term plans…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
"age 24 no defense player at AA"
2 of those three fit that dx in fact.
Tracy has hit .330 with an ops of .990/woba.415 with 16hr in the second half of each of the last 2 years. Moreland’s year in AA (.860 ops/ bb-so ratio/8hr) or his fall league(860ops/2xbh last 13g/so rate) were really not all that impressive all things considered. The fact is, Max and SMaok are the only 2 likely to contribute in 2010 regardless of what you think of either Moreland or Tracy…
Too bad you have to play a whole season....
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Tracy...
…feels a little bit like our next Nate Gold.
"It's not a good strategy, but it's my strategy." -- Courtney Lucas
And if you'll recall
TR Sullivan was the biggest (and possibly only) Nate Gold fan on the planet.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 5, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
No
There were quite a few folks out there who would advance the “Why not give Nate Gold a shot? After all, you don’t know if he can do the job or not if you don’t play him in the majors” theory.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I don't count the DMN blog
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 5, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
A popular solution seems to be sacrificing a chicken. For best results, do this on Bud Selig's desk.
can we sacrifice Bud Selig ...
and let the chicken watch?? I think I’d like to switch the roles.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
by BigGuns on Dec 5, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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