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The Most Depressing Quote of the Offseason

From T.R. Sullivan's story tonight on the Rangers needs at the Winter Meetings:

The Rangers need a big hitter in the middle of the order. He could be an outfielder, designated hitter or occasional first baseman paired with Chris Davis. Among the possibilities are Vladimir Guerrero, Jermaine Dye, Troy Glaus, Gary Sheffield, Mike Cameron and Fernando Tatis.

So there you go, Rangers fans.  Time to get fired up.  The team's biggest need is a middle of the order hitter, and we're going to end up with Jermaine Dye or Gary Sheffield hitting cleanup.

Cameron and Glaus are the only players on that list who should even be everyday players anymore, and these are the guys we're looking at to hit cleanup for the Rangers in 2010.

I'm disgusted.  At this point, if this is what we're dealing with, it makes me wonder if the Rangers wouldn't be better off just trading Kevin Millwood and Frankie Francisco, their two players who will be free agents after the season, and conceding that they aren't serious about contending this year.

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None of this seems too shocking

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Dec 5, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Glaus is going to be a Ranger. 100%. Guaransheed.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 5, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions  

Out of that list of names, I hope so.

His is the most intriguing name to me by far. I’m still not giving up on the Milton Bradley stuff though, not until it’s 100% for sure that it’s not going to happen.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Dec 5, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure hope so

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

why?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 6, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

i still think they can contend even with few additions. one DH bat and some improvement at the plate from davis, hamilton, and kinsler could leave us an 88-90 win team.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

Step away from the ledge.

This team hasn’t lost a whole lot from last year. The offense sucked, but could get better if they stop swinging at everything within a half mile of the plate. Plus young players usually get better. I don’t think the lineup will be as bad as it was in 2009. The pitching could go either way, but if you deal Millwood and Frank Frank you’re guaranteeing that you can’t be competitive.

You never know what can happen. I tend to think they’ll end up within a few games of where they finished this year, in 2nd or 3rd place, but who the hell knows?

by Black Francis on Dec 5, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

Jeeez, adam

Knee-jerk a little bit?

It’s still early enough not to panic.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Offseason Moves

Just how many offseason moves does anybody think this team is going to make? Aside from NRI’s for bullpen fodder, probably not many. If the Rangers sign somebody like Dye in the next week, they probably don’t have enough money to make another deal that would offset the suck he would bring to the team.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 5, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I may be in the minority on this...

but this news in hardly depressing to me. Two reasons, I’m not impressed with the FA bats available anyway, and I think Glaus would be a very nice fit here. Unless you are going to spend 90 million on Holliday or Bay, a guy like Glaus would probably be the next best thing. Especially for the cost.

The depressing part is that the Rangers don’t have the salary flexibility to go out and make a deal for a player. That’s what really sucks. Not that they can’t sign some washed up overrated FA.

And come on AJM, this team was a contender this year with bad seasons from Hamilton and Davis, and a very meh Kinsler. You don’t give up on this season. The young kids will hopefully continue to improve and who knows what could happen in a 4 team division. Especially with injuries. The Rangers hardly need to throw in the towel on 2010 because of their financial situation. That’s a big leap you took there in that last paragraph.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 5, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Glaus is the only one there...

…who is a viable option as a cleanup hitter, and that assumes that he’s going to be healthy and productive again, which isn’t exactly a given.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

the candidates are uninspiring

Are you disappointed Nick Johnson isn’t on that list? I kinda am, but other than him, I can’t think of anybody out there that is much better. It would be more frustrating if there were a ton of guys out there that we just can’t afford, but it seems to me that there just aren’t a lot of quality bats on the FA market, regardless of our financial situation.

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim Thome is the only other guy I can think of

And he’s still like a gajillion years old and had a really shitty second half this year (although I wonder if a lot of that didn’t stem from being on the bench in LA).

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

and he's been primarily the DH

and still can’t stay healthy.

I just don’t see why we need to go after a RH bat. Go after the best bat available that fits our needs. Basically, Thome or even Nick Johnson should not be out of the question. This drives me crazy sometimes. The best bat you can afford is the best way to go, especially when we’re talking about a DH

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 5, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

x
I just don’t see why we need to go after a RH bat. Go after the best bat available that fits our needs.

\

This, this a thousand times this. We need to picket out front of the RBiA with signs that say this.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson

I think he would walk but his power seems questionable at this point.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 5, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

lemonade

I wouldn’t be surprised If our finances don’t allow us to import a cleanup hitter and Nelson Cruz gets the job by default and ends up with a 900 OPS and 130 rbi.

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe if Wash got a statsheet dropped on his head

And either died from it or underwent a complete change in personality.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a big statsheet.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 5, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

what do you expect?

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

what do you expect next year?

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't know

I’m far from convinced he’s a middle of the lineup hitter, though.

by tyd3311 on Dec 5, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

put me down for

270 / 350 / 550

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think, if used correctly, he could do something like that

But if he started the season as the #4 hitter, put me down for .240/.315/.500 come June 1st.

by tyd3311 on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

.240/.315/.500

That still might make him the best hitter on the team.

by Darrell McKown on Dec 5, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

that's pretty dismal

doubtful, too

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 6, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You think where he bats in the order could actually cause an 85 point swing in his OPS?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 6, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

he had an OPS of .856

how is a .900 OPS that shocking

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 5, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

x
I’m disgusted.

Me too, although I must admit I am glad to see Troy Glaus’s name FINALLY on such a list. But this is what Tom Hicks has done to us, and apparently it’s not gonna get any better anytime soon.

Apparently we’ve just got to temper our expectations for next year again. You’d think as Ranger fans, we’d be used to that by now.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

Glaus

He would be nice addition given what he’s likely to make next year.

If we added Sheets and Glaus on one-year deals, didn’t make any bad trades, and tried to improve internally off last season, I don’t think that’s horrible.

If we could add a couple low-risk, higher reward guys and get the ownership situation resolved in a favorable way by this spring, I would be fine with that for an offseason.

by Darrell McKown on Dec 5, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

another thing to be comforted by

At least we know that Rudy is banging his fists on the table for these type guys for somebody else now.

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 5, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

REC

need more tricer jokes.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

all those guys are question marks

but I don’t see what the surprise is. those have been the names swirling around the Rangers for most of the offseason.

Heck, if we could sign anybody, I’d be excited.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 5, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

within reason of course

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 5, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

@injuryexpert Ok here’s one of the big things to be announced Monday: http://bit.ly/6ICO3I I wouldnt want to be in the baseball stats business right now.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 5, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Dewan

I found the part about Dewan providing software to about half the teams was interesting in and of itself. I always thought of him as a guy who used his research to write books/update his website.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 5, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

God

Will someone get AJM a friggin helmet already. Stop your bitching. Nothing else matters. Maybe you should be wearing skinny pants, black eyliner and go cut yourself to feel alive.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 5, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions  

What?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Bigbadd bubba j!!

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The 2nd D is because he's too effin bad for just one D

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 6, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately not

I used to have another email address of his, other than the one he has at LSB, but I am having trouble finding it. The search button has betrayed me.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 6, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Tatis/Sheffield would be sickening..

I could deal with Glaus/Vlad/Dye, though no they arn’t a real solution to anything.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 5, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions  

Dye is done

I could live with the other two.

by chrisR on Dec 5, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know. Sheffield has a pretty good walk rate

Poor mans Milton Bradley maybe. The thought of Tatis batting clean-up is a bit sickening I agree.

I still believe!

by Ranger121032 on Dec 6, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Reckon all of that will be relavent

If/When Hicks sells the team and we have some real money to negotiate with a young …. read USABLE bat?

Been on the bandwagon for 35 years... when do we get our parade?

by GMCM in Memphis on Dec 5, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

Hicks has nothing to sell.

Einstein was right, the stupidity is infinite.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I wish that list

had more Matsui on it.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 5, 2009 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

am i the only one

Who would be more than satisfied with Vlad in the DH spot with some occasional corner outfield peppered in? If he’s healthy anyway…I don’t see why he couldn’t be fairly productive in tbia. Definitely not ideal if you’re looking for patience, but still…

by Tyler H on Dec 5, 2009 10:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Vlad's knees

Are the only thing older than Hideki Matsui.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

vlad's looked like he can't run for years..

Of course now the numbers are reflecting an actual decline, but you don’t have to go that far back to find significant samples of Vlad still being a good DH.

.950 ops for the entire 2007 season
.971 ops post all star break 2008
~.880 ops post all star break 2009 + playoffs.

If he were actually the old vlad he would be commanding a few dozen million dollars, and hes not. But as far as the lsited options I don’t think hes any more flawed than the rest, with as high or higher a ceiling.

I mean Glaus has missed even more time the past 3 years with inferior stats.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 5, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Vlad's power is going

Slugging and ISO have been declinging for 5 straight seasons, culminating in career lows this year. Considering he also posted an astronomically low 4.7 BB% this year, and has never walked much anyway (8.3% career) I don’t see him as having much more value than Ichiro would if Ichiro played in a wheelchair.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 5, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

His .iso from 2006 to 2008 was .222, .223, .218, not exactly this big dip every year.

Besides, its dropping from MVP caliber levels and we are discussing cheap DHs. The ~.220 level of 06-08 would absolutely fine if he could prove 2009 was not his new level of performance.

It may be. Hes certainly risky/flawed, but come on give a little respect to his HoF career and that bad knees and all he has still been able to put up some solid performances. Theres a reason hes got a .386 career obp with that career walk rate. He can hit.

Again though, its a distinct possibility that he could put up another 2009 year (which would be bad but not a total disaster) and be a poor acquisition. Glaus could get injured long term yet again and hit .220. Dye’s HORRENDOUS second half could have been a telling sign, and he doesn’t walk that much either. Tatis/Sheffield I don’t even need to discuss.

Who is your solution?

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 5, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Among the group above, I'd take Glaus (who also happens to be the youngest of them)

Ideally, I want Nick Johnson, but that’ll never happen because we’re financially hamstringed. I wouldn’t mind Jim Thome either.

Basically I just want someone who can take a damn walk. Cameron can do that too, but his real value would come from his defense, not so much his offense. I’d lump Dye in with Sheff and Tatis as done at this point, and I don’t have any faith Vlad’s gonna bounce back much, either. I don’t really think pinning your hopes on someone as frail as him regaining his power stroke is a great idea. If he can’t slug he’s not going to provide that much value (his 2009 .343 wOBA really isn’t good enough for a DH) and our ballpark isn’t as much of a boon for RH hitters as it is for lefties so I don’t see that factor helping as much as people would automatically think.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 6, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Another guy I'd be hot to trot for, if Oakland non-tenders him

Jack Cust.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

X

Too hot to trot

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 6, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Tatis

He has been pretty good the past couple of years.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

No

He was good in 2008 when he had a .345 BABIP and put up a .370 wOBA. The BABIP went back down to right around his career norm this year, and he returned to being around his fairly meh career norm as well (777 OPS/.338 wOBA this year).

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 6, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

.275 EQA

I may be mistaken, but wOBA isn’t park-adjusted, right? Tatis, playing for the Mets, is in a bad hitter’s park.

He’s not great, but as a part-time 4C guy, I’ll take a .275 EQA (or the .299 EQA he had the season before).

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Fangraphs isn't park-adjusted

But statcorner carries a park adjusted version. And their wOBA* has Tatis at .379 and .337 the last two years.

Doesn’t look like the park has made that much of a difference.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by lonestarJon on Dec 6, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

So the main concerns with vlad are lack of walks (obp) and frailty

And the counter is Glaus who missed almost all of last year (and far more over his career) and has a career 27 point lower OBP.

Granted Glaus’s OBP via walks is more likely to maintain than Vlads OBP via average (that declined last year), but I doubt at the end of the year theres a huge gap between them because glaus just doesn’t put up huge OBPs with his average.

Anyway, I said I would be fine with Glaus, hes got enough skills to be worth a look. I just don’t think Vlad is 100% done, and while its reasonable to disagree I don’t think its unreasonable to think it either. Against its as recent as his last 250 at bats (playoffs included) that his numbers are solid for a DH, its not ancient history.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 6, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree,

Vlad isn’t getting the love he deserves here. I bet he has a good year as a dh next year. I’d take him over everyone on that list, except maybe Cameron. Glaus has had serious injury problems 4 out of the last 7 years.

by jcAustin on Dec 6, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

i think we may need to calm down until we...well...you know.

actually have an owner.

"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM

by Longhorn on Dec 5, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

So, is this "Most depressing quote of the offseason" going to be a regular feature?

or are we going back to the Top 50 Friday Afternoon Videos of all time about what Rubio’s tit looks like it would be if it wasn’t Rubio’s tit?

by Telegraph on Dec 6, 2009 12:27 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Zing!!

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

If it's any consolation

I have a solid source that swears Tatis is gay (NTTAWWT).

by Lo'Ranger(s)714 on Dec 6, 2009 2:20 AM CST reply actions  

What does that have to do with anything?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 6, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

shitastic day

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 6, 2009 3:27 AM CST reply actions  

x

Sitting here in limbo, waiting for the dice to roll
Sitting here in limbo, got some time to search my soul
Well, they’re putting up resistance
But I know my faith will lead me on

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 6, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

I'm not depressed at all

just because Richard Hidalgo and Phil Nevin happened, doesn’t mean Vlad, Sheffield or Glaus will end up following the same path. Is it likely? Probably more than not. But you’re talking about some high OBP guys that CAN and HAVE slugged the hell out of the ball. If there’s anything left in that tank at all, I’d love to have it here instead of a Murphy + NRI platoon. Sheffield may be done, period – he hasn’t shown anything for a couple of years. But I’m not so sure Vlad is, and Glaus’ primary concern is health…so a platoon DH with him would work just fine I think. Thome? same thing…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 6, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Not contending in 2010???

Uh Oh, Jonny. 2010 was the year the Rangers were destined to make the playoffs, or the Clueless GM was out of a job. Heck, most of you JD-Apologists admitted to such.

Are we changing gears and expectations once again?

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, Humbug!

by Clueless on Dec 6, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions  

The number is too high

for me to count how many laps have been run around you these last few days.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Dec 6, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

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