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Still very quiet on the player movement front for the Rangers, and Evan Grant says that's likely to continue to be the case for a while...Grant says that there is "no money approved for free agency" for the Rangers, which means, basically, all the front office can do is tell guys they are interested and wait and see what happens with the ownership situation, and hope that there are some useful players available out there come late January.

Otherwise, we could be looking at our DH for 2010 being not Gary Sheffield or Jermaine Dye, which would be good, but a David Murphy/Joe Inglett platoon.  That's encouraging.

Jonathon Mayo has a review of the Rangers' draft up on mlb.com.

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If we roll into '09 with Inglett as our DH I'll cut my junk off...

Also, watching that Purke video really makes me wish that our front office and Purke and Purke’s agent (who works for the agency that Nolan Ryan’s Houston business partner owns 50% of) were on the same page.

I wonder if Hicks told JD and Nolan to draft him knowing that he wouldn’t sign thus saving us several million….

Conspiracy theory I know, but hey……

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 6, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Well

If you believe Galloway — who appears to have had good info on the financial situation — it was MLB that killed the Purke signing, not an issue of the team and Purke being on the same page.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course

if the Rangers weren’t living off payday express loans from the league office, they could have signed Purke.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Dec 6, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Hm

They should go down to Lone Star Title Loans and get some FA money out of the team bus and the team jet. And East Arlington is full of pawnshops for all that loot in the Legends of the Game museum that they’re closing.

by Black Francis on Dec 6, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If that happens...

I think we could see Smoak sooner rather than later. I think they will sign a late signing of someone, probably an old guy, on the cheap as a possible reclamation project.
Hicks is a huge waste of human flesh.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

I'm beginning to think Delgado is the man that emerges down the road.

I just get the feeling his market will be greatly depressed. Coming off of surgery… Old… If he doesn’t work out after half a season, bring up Smoak. Seems like a good fit for the Rangers.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Dec 6, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

x
If he doesn’t work out after half a season, bring up Smoak.

See, only thing is that’ll never happen. If he doesn’t work out after half a season, he’ll still be hitting cleanup long into September.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

meh

There aren’t too many FAs out there who look good. Nick Johnson, obviously. Glaus or Cameron too. Or Thome on a one-year deal. But they aren’t exactly Franchise Savior players.

If you assume that injury-plagued guys like Johnson, Harden and Sheets (as well as issue-players like Bradley) are on the market longer, they’ll probably still be around for when a new owner gets in. And by then the stupid overpriced players (like Byrd) may be gone.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 6, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know, man

Murphy and Inglett are both lefties. But if Texas keeps German, a Murphy/German platoon would be money in the bank. Woo.

"It's not a good strategy, but it's my strategy." -- Courtney Lucas

by Lucas on Dec 6, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

What about Arias

A platoon with Murphy and Arias would be GREAT

by Triple Play on Dec 6, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not being overdramatical or anything

but I would rather suffer a moderate anus injury

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Dec 6, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you can have a "moderate anus injury"

Any injury in that part of anatomy would be “severe” in my opinion. And, to clarify I was using a bit of sarcasm (in the suggestion that Arias would make a good DH)

by Triple Play on Dec 6, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I caught that

Still, even the idea of Arias hanging out on the 25 next year is around the level of desireability of anal leakage

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Dec 6, 2009 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You've reminded me

Of this fairly epic post.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't help bitterly thinking

That in two years, Purke will be the top pitcher available in the draft, similar to what Gerrit Cole is setting himself up for in next year’s draft.

by Conjunction on Dec 6, 2009 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

Taillon

I thought Taillon is the hot pitcher for next year’s draft. Of course he does play for Rice.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 6, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He is and he's in HS

and I believe that Gerrit Cole is a ’11 pick.

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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

and Cole is a 2011 draft guy.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

verbal commit

Oops, Taillon just has a verbal commitment to Rice. Thanks for the correction.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Dec 6, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Purke was considered by many to be a top 5 talent in this past year's draft

The only reason he fell to the Rangers was because he was wanting so much. I can’t get too bitter about him raising his stock a bit.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 6, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Next year guys

really that’s where our upgrades are gonna happen. This class is the weakest in a couple years. I dont blame them for not making moves.

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by NYTXFAN on Dec 6, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

Why is the team supposed to just give up on this season?

They were a good young team last season and have a lot of young talent that can improve. Yeah, it sucks that the ownership situation prevents them from addressing their needs, but that doesn’t count them out for next season. I hope ownership gets settled quickly (and goes to Greenberg) and the team can still do something in the offseason, but at the very least, in-season trades should be good to go and then the Rangers can find a salary dump to plug any holes they have.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 6, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

I agree it's getting a tad bit over-dramatic around here lately...

I feel like I’ve been watching a gay soap opera the last few days. The Rangers are like a guy at the craps table (no pun) who has a huge pile of chips and then starts balling because he’s lost one round and lost a few chips. 2010 will be about getting management in order and watching the youngsters take another big step forward. They most likely won’t make the play-offs but you can bet in 2011 either via trades or free agent signings (depending on who the new owner is) that they’ll be right in the thick of it for years to come. So yeh one more year and trust me I’ve been hearing that for 30 years but this time I REALLY feel it. You have to believe that the team isn’t going to implode just because someone new comes in, that’s all we got.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 6, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't think its fair to count the Rangers out

after they were so close for most of last season. I think part of the reason people keep going all doom and gloom here is because of the 2004 team. But this isn’t the 2004 team that had a huge glaring hole (the whole rotation) and a crippled bullpen going into 2005. The only thing this team needs is an offensive boost and an Angels team that won’t see every player hit over .300. And while I want this team to go out and get a good DH, I’m not giving up on this team because I have to count on talented players like Davis, Hamilton, and Andrus to improve next season.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 6, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

so now we are looking toward 2011

instead of 2010 like we were told? This sucks!

I soloed in the Mile High Club!

by horsedooty on Dec 6, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said to give up on them.

Just said any upgrades should be made the following year since the class looks to be pretty strong.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 7, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

id be down with this

throw in some Murph/Max to start the year then call up smoak a little bit later

Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'

by blalock84 on Dec 6, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Can someone tell me why I'm supposed to want Troy Glaus on the Rangers?

That guy has the body of an 80 year old woman riddled with osteoporosis.

I just don’t get it.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 6, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

I know he hits, it's the 2nd part....

What kind of money would it cost us to sign him?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 6, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome.

What’d he blow out to miss all of 09?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 6, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

yeh he's still around i.Orange

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 6, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

lol aw troy!

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 6, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Mountain?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 6, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me...

or does anyone else picture AJM of the past few days as an unshaven guy in his basement in week old clothes, surrounded by empty liquor bottles with bruises all over his face/body from repeatedly smashing himself into his keyboard between posting? Hmm…maybe it’s just me.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 6, 2009 2:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I kinda like Adam this way, myself.

I think it gives the site some of that sardonic charm LL oozes.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That said

LL is still so much more goddamn fun than us.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

That was

a great joke series

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 7, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Popped collars and empty Whataburger shake cups.

Clutching a historical treatise on the Crimean War with corn-nut dust stains all over it.

by shroomer on Dec 6, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Much more likely scenerio.

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by slc ranger on Dec 6, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I rec'd this

mostly because I love corn nuts.

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by BAC on Dec 6, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

ha ha ha

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by NYTXFAN on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

does Kevin Millwood for Luke Scott

make sense? Would the O’s laugh at that deal? I have read that they have money to spend and want pitching, particularly an experienced inning eater type. I have also read they consider Luke Scott their best trade chip because they want Nolan Reimold to take over as DH.

However, we would be dealing one year of Millwood for three years of Scott, so would we have to kick something else in? Interestingly, despite the fact that Scott is a lefty, he actually hit lefties better in ’09.

I think there’s a match there, I don’t know if Wigginton or Scott make the most sense, but I get the feeling this team will bite the bullet and trade Millwood to make sure they can address their other needs this offseason, even though that will leave a large innings gap in their rotation.

As others have said, it is possible they keep Millwood and deal McCarthy to address a need instead.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 6, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

Hmn

Scott doesn’t particularly inspire me, but I’d much rather have him than the majority of the FA bats out there. I might go for that.

Wigginton however looks like a less-regarded version of Hank Blalock. Don’t wany any part of him.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Wigginton

put up an .876 OPS with the Astros in ’08 and is a defensive option at 1B and 3B, whereas Scott is exclusively a DH. Scott makes up for his lack of defensive value by consistently putting up an OPS over .800 with steady power and patience numbers.

Wiggy saw his numbers, particularly his power numbers, fall off last year with the O’s, but he is going into a contract year in ‘10 and we’ve seen him play better in that situation before. Wiggy is also a righty, which is a greater area of need. If we traded Millwood, I would want Wigginton packaged with another player to make it even. That said, I think he is a lot better than Blalock.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 6, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see why being right-handed matters

I want the better hitter, and Scott is the better hitter.

Also, Wigginton is a shitty defender, especially at 3B. He’s minus 60 runs there for his career, and minus 4.4 at first base. I don’t think he has much more defensive value than Scott (who can also technically “play” first base). They’re both DH’s, and Scott has a .359 career wOBA to Wigginton’s .336.

Also, I don not ever want a guy whose nickname is “Wiggy” on my team.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Being RH matters...

….because two of your starting OFs, your 4th OF, and probably your 1B are all going to be lefties, so it would be nice if you could have a RH option at DH rather than LH.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It matters if you're selecting a bench player

But if you’re shopping for a DH, all I care about is best overall hitter. And our need goes far beyond platoon DH.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Realistically...

…you aren’t likely to get a great everyday DH, given the cost issues. You’ll probably have Hamilton DHing 30-40 games per year, Murphy getting mixed in, etc.

If we assume that Hamilton and Borbon are going to play against most RHPs, and Murphy against a lot of them, you probably want someone who isn’t going to be a liability against LHPs, since they’re going to play against every LHPs, and when they sit, it will probably be against a RHP.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

But we’re talking about trading Millwood here, and I don’t want to trade Millwood for a bench player, since any second player we get is likely to be fringy as well. And that’s what Wigginton looks like to me.

If we’re dealing Millwood, I want someone quality like Scott. Maybe his presence could even allow us to turn Murphy into a decent bullpen arm or something. (Of course, realistically that would never happen, given this org’s boner for Murph – in fact, their Murph boner would probably prevent a logical move such as accquiring Scott.)

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And man

Thinking about that last part really ticks me off, because I just realized David Murphy is probably why this organization is so hell bent on going after a right-handed bat over a quality bat this offseason.

Fuck David Murphy.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

With the bat, yes.

Murphy obviously has defensive value as well, but since we already have two COF’s and he’s not a good enough hitter to DH, and shouldn’t get anymore playing time in the OF than your average 4th OF, I’d say Scott would be more valuable to us.

Plus, defensive value or no, Murphy’s best season in WAR is just a tad over Scott’s worst.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is he that big an upgrade with the bat?

Scott had a 10 points edge in EQA last year, about 5 points the year before, and Scott is older and is going to cost about $4 million in 2010.

Their CHONE projections for 2010 are pretty close.

I think Scott is probably a better hitter than Murphy, but I have a hard time seeing how it would really make sense to give up assets, and pay Scott $4 million, to DH for us when Murphy can be the DH and give you pretty close to the same level of production.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Because David Murphy's wOBA's over his two full seasons are .337 and .339

And Scott wOBA’d .355 last year, .343 in his down year in 2008 and .365 in Houston in 2007.

If you go by wRAA (offensive runs above average based on wOBA) Scott has been worth 12.1 (07) 6.5 (08) and 11.0 (09) runs the last three seasons, whereas Murphy has been worth 3.4 and 4.2 runs in his two full seasons.

So I would say Scott is significantly better with the bat than Murphy, at least in a good year, and since Fangraphs values indicate he’d be worth the 4 million and more either way, is definitely worth taking a gamble on.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You're making me hate stats

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 6, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Why?

Scott is a much better offensive player than Murphy. I don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

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by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not the point

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 6, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He's not "much better"

He’s a career .280 EQA guy, versus .268 for Murphy, and he is probably a half-dozen runs better over the course of a season, maybe less given that the age issues mean he’s more due for a drop than Scott is.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

In Murphy's two "full" seasons...

…he didn’t get as much playing time as Scott did.

You are talking about a guy, in Scott, who is maybe 6-8 runs better offensively than Murphy, so you are wanting to pay a premium of about $3.5 million to gain a pretty slim advantage. Oh, and give up assets as part of the deal, as well.

Given the limited resources and other needs, it doesn’t make sense to me. At least, if you are going to do that, make it a righthanded bat, so you aren’t completely duplicating Murphy’s skill set.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

This

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

x
give up assets as part of the deal, as well.

You make it sound like we’d be giving up prospects or something. We’re giving up Kevin Millwood to upgrade the DH spot, and free up enough payroll space to maybe go after Sheets or Harden.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Millwood is not poo poo

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

But you aren't really upgrading the DH spot

If you want to clear Millwood’s salary, just give him to the Orioles and see if you can get a prospect or two in return, and go spend that money on your SP and DH or whatever.

But you’re acting like Luke Scott is a significant upgrade at DH over Murphy, when he’s really not.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes he is

Come on. Do you really want David fucking Murphy DHing for you?

Scott is probably as good as any of the FA’s we could afford to sign unless we catch lighting in a bottle with Thome or Glaus or something.

We’re just not gonna get a kickass DH this offseason (unless maybe Jack Cust gets non-tendered and we have the brains to snap him up). For someone who was drooling over Rich Harden the other day, I can’t imagine why you’re so opposed to this idea.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Luke Scott had a .667 OPS after the ASB

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim Thome had a 773 OPS after the ASB last year.

Jermaine Dye: 590. Gary Sheffield: 694.

Troy Glaus, as much as I advocate him as our best bargain bin option, played 14 games last year and has an injury history longer than than an LA street thug’s rap sheet.

Those are our other options.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Then why give up Millwood?

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 6, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

So

You think a guy who is maybe 5-6 runs better than Murphy over the course of a season is a “significant upgrade” worth trading Kevin Millwood for and paying $4 million for?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You really think Rich Harden would want to come here?

Really? He’s a 5 inning starter anyway.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

Those are still 5 pretty damn good innings per start.

It’s a bit riskier than sticking with the guaranteed mediocrity we have now, but if it breaks right it could be a fairly significant net upgrade in value for us. If it isn’t, hey we weren’t exactly going anywhere with Murphy and Millwood.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Then trade Millwood for prospects

And go sign someone as good as Scott to DH.

Don’t trade Millwood for a guy who isn’t really any better than Murphy. That’s dumb.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey

I’d trade Millwood for prospects and roll the dice on Glaus just as fast as I’d trade for Scott. I just think you’re really underselling him, thinking he and Murphy are the equivalent of one another at DH.

That, IMO, is dumb.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I said Scott's edge is maybe 6-8 runs

He’d be a half-win upgrade over Murphy at DH.

I don’t see how that makes acquiring Scott such a no-brainer.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

How much more of an advantage over Murphy are you expecting then?

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by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It depends

Personally, if the alternative is Luke Scott at $4 million at the cost of dealing Millwood, I’d just as soon go give Fernando Tatis $2 million and use him as a 4C guy who splits the DH job with Murphy (acknowledging that you’re going to have Hamilton DHing 30-40 games, and will have Young and Kinsler get 5-6 starts at DH as well).

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So

You’d really rather have Millwood and two league average hitters filling most of your DH time for you than upgrading to a slightly above average Scott and rolling the dice on Sheets/Harden?

Hey, it might fail miserably, but I think my scenario at least gives us a chance to chase the Angels next year, whereas yours just maintains the status quo of mind-numbing mediocrity.

And if you’d rather settle for the mind-numbing mediocrity, you’re probably better off just selling as high as you can on Frankie and Millwood and forgetting about 2010 like you mentioned in your last post.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not what I said

I said if you are going to trade Millwood, don’t trade him for Scott, who I don’t think does much for you, given how the team is currently set up.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

See

I’m trying to replace Murphy altogether, not just add Scott.

Perhaps that’s wishful thinking, but considering that the team loves him, but if you replace Murphy, who is likely to get most of his PA’s at DH, with a slightly better hitter and still go get someone like Gomes to hit lefties off the bench, you can trade Murphy for a RP and upgrade the team even further.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ack

That comment came out really confusing.

Let me rephrase: I’d trade Millwood for Scott, trade Murphy for a RP, and spend the money we saved on Millwood for Sheets or Harden. If there’s anything left over, snap up a Gomes or a Tatis for the bench. If not you’ve got Boggs, who hits lefties pretty well and probably is a better defender than Murphy.

Alternatively, you could just trade Millwood for prospects, sign Glaus or Thome and Sheets or Harden. No RP, and you still have that annoying little shit Murphy bouncing around the OF acting all gritty and crap, but maybe more cost-effective so that could be the better way to go.

(Sorry, it’s Sunday and I have nothing to do but scheme for 2010.)

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It appears that...

…you are just looking for an excuse to get rid of Murphy.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 6, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, not solely

I find him and his propensity to be overrated not only by the masses but by this team annoying.

I do acknowledge that he’s a pretty good 4th OF though. But beyond that I think he’s pretty marginal, and since this team doesn’t really need a LH 4th OFer, he looks like ideal trade bait.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have 200 innings from Millwood and two league average hitters

than spending an additional $3.5 million on a modest offensive upgrade and roll the dice on either Sheets or Harden pitching 100 innings.

by swampdonkey on Dec 6, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

+ 1,000,000

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 6, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

And what garuntee do we have that Millwood

Who slammed into a brick wall after being used heavily early in the season this year, will get to 200 innings?

I recognize he could provide SOME stability, but I think people are (once again) over-estimating the quality of the innings a pitcher who has had tRA’s well over 5 each of the last three seasons will provide.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Millwood by the way

Got by on the graces of a career-low BABIP and career-high strand rate this year. His FIP was over a full run higher than his ERA and his tRA was a career-high 5.61.

I didn’t realize this because I haven’t bothered to look up his stats since during the season, but he is due to regress bigtime next year, it’s just a question of whether our defense will prevent him from looking utterly terrible or not.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You need to stop...

and concede this argument. It’s getting worse and worse.

Look at the # of innings MIllwood has pitched while with Texas. No matter how much you don’t like him, he has value, and that value (especially to the Rangers) is higher than Luke Scott.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 6, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine, but let me just say I find it hilarious

That people are bitching about paying Luke Scott, when Millwood, whose peripheral stats all indicate he’s gonna go backwards in a hurry next season, is owed 12 million, the most of anyone on the team next year.

You can question the wisdom of paying Scott 4 mil all you want, but after looking at Millwood’s #‘s for the first time in awhile, I’m now questioning the wisdom of paying him 12 million in the name of “stability”.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

They're only bitching...

about paying him that much relative to how much better he would be compared to what the Rangers already have.

And if you want to talk about players due to decline you should look at Scott as a prime candidate to do so as well.

Again, like him or not, a pitcher like Millwood has value on this team.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 6, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, trade Millwood to save $12 mil

then spend $4 mil on Scott. Now comes the tricky part. How much is it going to take to sign Sheets or Harden? Answer, probably the whole damn $8 million left from the Millwood transaction and what do you have? A modest offensive upgrade and a pitcher who is even money to spend more than on the DL than on the mound. Great move! And that’s even assuming that you could get Sheets or Harden to even sign here.

by swampdonkey on Dec 6, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Forget about Scott for a moment

And consider what you can expect from Millwood next year. He is coming off a season in which he was extremely lucky, and posted career worsts in strikeouts, tRA and a second-worst FIP.

Basically his effectiveness went waaay down this year and his luck went way up. So unless you expect him to maintain a career best BABIP, LD rate and second-best strand rate he looks like a contract that needs to be sold high on while the sellings good. Otherwise you could wind up with an overpaid dead weight in your rotation whom you won’t be able to move by the ASB next year.

So, who would you rather gamble on: Millwood to maintain some semblance of effectiveness, or a vastly more talented pitcher who might very well give you more value in 150 innings than even a decent Millwood would give you in 200?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

150 innings

I bet its 50/50 that Sheets makes it 150 innings and probably only about a 25% chance Harden does

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering the SP depth we have right now

That doesn’t bother me that much. I don’t think Millwood will help us contend next year, so I don’t see that gambling on Harden or Sheets to put us over the top is actually going to cost us anything major if we lose. If they flop, the young guys absorb those innings and probably give you most of what a regressing Millwood would have.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, now you've scratched Scott from your argument

but even at that, if i want to compete in 2010, I don’t dump Millwood for a pitcher either Sheets or Harden. First of all, I doubt Harden would even consider coming here and even if he did, he wouldn’t do it for a bargain basement contract. When it comes to Sheets, do we even know he can pitch? You can talk stats all you want when it comes to Millwood, but when it comes to Sheets, there are no stats for 2009. that should be a clue that he’s going to be high-risk in 2010.

by swampdonkey on Dec 6, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we've all been overrating Millwood again.

This is a guy who was viewed as having bombed when he had decent peripherals in 2007 and 8. So why are we so convinced we need to keep him around when he’s basically coming off a season in which he actually lost most of his effectiveness (as illustrated by his terrible second half)?

I just don’t think Millwood is going to add a ton of “inning soaking” value to the team neaxt year, as LSB seems convinced he will. And as such, I don’t think it will matter if we gamble with his rotation spot instead and save a little money in the process instead.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

How are we saving money though?

If Scott + Harden/Sheets eats up all of the money that Millwod is making?

Scott is a marginal upgrade over what we currently have and while Harden or Sheets may give you a little better quality when they are in there than Millwood I think when they are injured and you are rolling with Harrison or Hurley or whoever its a pretty big drop from even what Millwood will provide.

Not to mention the intangibles of it. And I know how you hate when people bring up lockerroom stuff or veteraness but its a reality. A rotation with Feldman and 4 guys who are essentially rookies will struggle and if the team goes in a tailspin there is no veteran presence in the rotation to stabilize things. Millwood is that guy. It may not mean he goes out and stops losing streaks all the time but I think if next year we went into a spiral, especially down the stretch toward the playoffs, I would much rather have Millwood out there than Harrison or Hurley or whoever.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If this pitching staff falls apart because Kevin fucking Millwood got traded

We need to (A, fire all the pitching coaches again and (B check to make sure our pitchers haven’t been castrated over the offseason.

I understand we’d lose a veteran voice, but if you’re actually saying this pitching staff might fall into an irreverasble “tailspin” because Kevin Millwood’s not there anymore to rally the troops, I think that’s simply ludicrous. HE’S LEAVING AFTER 2010 ANYWAY!

Besides, last time I checked Ben Sheets and Rich Harden have a certain veteran-yness to them as well.

As far as the money goes I’d much rather spend it on a bat (whether it’s Luke Scott or Pedro Cerrano, that’s where a chunk of that change is going) and a pitcher who could be lighting in a bottle than an aging, mediocre starter who seems just as likely to implode in 2010 as he is to give you 200 innings.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You misunderstood my point

Right now we have one veteran starter. Scott Feldman is the second most veteran guy at 27 years old and only been a starter 2 years. Theyve been 2 pretty good years but still only 2 years.

You trade out Millwod for Harden or Sheets still only leaves 1 veteran starter. One who is most likely going to miss not just one or two starts but most likely significant amounts of time. You take that veteran out of the rotation due to injury in July or August and if this team starts going in a tailspin whos going to go out and be that veteran presence that helps turn things around?

Not to mention if Sheets or Harden goes down in April or May for the rest of the season and you have to rely on a rookie for the majority of the season.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

So?

What do you take these guys for, a bunch of codependent pansies who need multiple other starting pitchers they can cling to the coattails of when the first arrive in the majors?

They’re not going to automatically fold because there’s only one veteran starter in the rotation. I don’t buy that. We take such pains to make sure our clubhouse is such a happy and productive environment, it better be able to support it’s young pitchers even if there’s only one “veteran” pitcher in the starting rotation.

This is an absolutely ludicrous argument to make for keeping Millwood.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you think we signed Omar Vizquel last year?

To mentor Elvis and help him ease his transition to the majors. So whenever he starts going through tough times, whether it be on or off the field although mostly on the field issues, theres someone there to go to.

We kept Eddie around mainly due to his presence and our bullpen wasn’t that young.

I don’t want a rotation with Scott Feldman and Brandon McCarthy as the resident veterans going through a playoff push. And thats probably gonna happen if you trade away Millwood for Harden or Sheets

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, fuck getting a more talented pitcher in here

Let’s roll with the mediocre guy who posted his worst peripheral season ever in 2009.

BECAUSE THE KIDS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT WITHOUT HIM! GAAAAAAAAAAAH!

LMAO.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Take a timeout

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Dec 7, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, go insert yourself into somebody else's brouhaha for once.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

And bigsteve

On further review, I do apologize for that last one, from one guy who takes a lot of shit on here to another. That was kind of harsh, borne out of frustration and a lack of new ways to express what a ridiculous an idea i think you have here. Still, you probably didn’t deserve that.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions  

You don't have to apologize

You obviously see things in a very black and white world. The way you make it sound is the game is played by a bunch of robots or all you do is plug everyones stats into a computer and it spits out the result.

There is an aspect that stats can’t quantify. And for an organization that is struggling to gain traction with fans and is going through a sale this winter I don’t think there is any way possible you can go into 2010, a year you’ve said all along should be the year we start legitimately contending for the playoffs, with a rotation led by a guy who in all likelihood is going to miss 1/3 or more of the season no matter how good he is when he is healthy. Especially when the other options are so young and inexperienced again regardless of their talent level.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2009 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude, you jumped the shark when you dropped Scott from your ticket

Now you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. When it comes to Millwood, I don’t think anyone here is opposed to trading him, but you have to get someone more likely to be able to assume the innings than two guys whose names have become synonomous with disabled list.

by swampdonkey on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's say you trade Millwood and sign Sheets

Given that Sheets may not be ready to start the season, you have to be prepared to roll on Opening Day with a rotation of Feldman, Hunter, Holland, McCarthy, and Nippert.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Millwood's a helluva lot better bet to pitch

200 innings than either Sheets or harden is to pitch 150.

by swampdonkey on Dec 6, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

it isn't so much total innings I'm worried about

we have guys who can give us innings, I am interested in finding a guy who can give me 150 TORP innings, especially come playoff time, and I have my doubts that Millwood can be that guy. For our purposes, he’s been effectively replaced by Feldman and Hunter as an inning eater.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 6, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Harden hasn't hit 150 innings in 5 years

Sheets missed all of last year. I really don’t know how you can be so certain either of them are going to give you 150 innings regardless of the quality

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I am more interested

in Sheets than Harden.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 6, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Millwood for Dunn

THAT’s what I want to see. Heck, I’d throw in some prospects (not great ones, but one of our third tier guys, like a Tim Murphy type).

by iblum on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

@Rotoworld_BB M. Bradley -RF-CHC: Report: Rangers iffy on bringing back Bradley http://tinyurl.com/audc8j

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

I thought this was dead

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

"We're Fucked" and "Thanks Uncle Hicks"

Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."

by Pocket Ninja on Dec 6, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions  

x
7:39pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney says a deal is imminent, though we’re not sure where Lindstrom is headed.

by octoberty on Dec 6, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

Lindstrom?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The Marlins' closer

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

@Ken_Rosenthal Texas, Tampa Bay among teams on Marlins’ Lindstrom. Exact extent of their interest unclear.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Betcha he's off to Tampa

They’ve been looking for someone else to add to the back of that ’pen for awhile.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

agree

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone wanna tell me whats so great about him?

Just looking at the stats he seems awfully “meh” to me

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

IIRC

he’s a lefty that throw pretty hard

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 6, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

oh right

but yeah he does throw hard. Upper 90’s.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 6, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He's 30

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

On Feb 11 anyway.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a Mormon so he missed time

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Hes still gonna be 30 though right?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

He was pretty good in 2007 and 2008 when he had a really low HR rate. Went backwards a bit this year when that spiked. Looks kinda like a CJ Wilson type though.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats what threw me at first

I know Olney is a baseball guy so it was confusing

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He is from Idaho...

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you suppose his teammates call him "Spud"?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Stormy

x

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

They should trade him to Minnesota

Playing in their new outtdoor snowglobe shouldn’t phase him much.

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

My dad is from Idaho

his callsign (he was a Marine) is Spud

by groundingout on Dec 6, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha

That’s awesome. He’s a pilot, I take it?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

@SI_JonHeyman 4 teams “kicking tires” on #marlins lindstrom. texas, tampa, 2 others

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

how much is Lindstrom set to make this year (est?)

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 6, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I would guess around 1 million

Hes old (relative to your first arbitration year), coming off a sub-par season, and has injury issues having missed time each of the last couple seasons.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

x

MONDAY, 6:58am: Buster Olney tweets that the Rangers may be the most serious team interested in Lindstrom. Two teams have fallen out of the running, but two other teams are now interested.

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

his numbers last year

were gross, and they have trended in the wrong direction each year since his debut, posting WHIPs of 1.30, 1.45, and 1.65 last year with an increasing walk rate (so its not just BABIP). He looks like a prime non-tender candidate, so I can’t imagine us giving up anything of real value.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

@VictorRojas29 At St Elmo’s steakhouse w @si_jonheyman and the rest of MLBN crew for dinner…Just talked w #txrangers Ron Washington and Jon Daniels..

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions  

...or aged enough.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 6, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ron Washington got salad

No teeth for steak.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 6, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

no he puts them in when he has steak...

but yes he also had the salad covered in sunflower seeds.

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 6, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I miss wash :[

I want baseball season back

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Ruff

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 6, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Levine...

can’t get his mac book adapter to fit in the outlet behind the light between the two twin beds.

by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 6, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Washington...

is smoking out on the little patio and complaining that Ryan asked for a non-smoking room.

“The fucking president of the United States smokes and I can’t get a smoking room…?”

by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't Nolan be more interested in the jerky though?

I failed my LSB ethics test.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

by LSJ on Dec 6, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Nolan has his own jerky

Always.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Dec 6, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And Nolan says "suck it" and then

asks which dumbass thought it was a good idea to trade AG when you knew Tex wasn’t ever going to sign an extension.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK4fJhbRL1g

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009

by boomer1 on Dec 6, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Shut up Dorn.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Fuckin' Dorn....

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

random thought of hicks hate

Lol @ myself and others following A-Rods contract opt out thinking it might actually get hicks to spend some on the rangers. please be gone soon.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Dec 6, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

how cute i.Orange

not quite as cute as this but still….

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 6, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I just checked back in on my Luke Scott proposal

and read the amazingly long conversation between lonestarjon and everyone else. I think there are a lot of people who, if we don’t shed Millwood’s contract and stay as cash-strapped as we reportedly currently are, are going to be kicking themselves for not being more eager to deal him for whatever we can get.

To be fair, I see that AJM isn’t necessarily against trading Millwood, but rather weary of the proposed return. I just can’t see a team trading any prospect of value for Millwood. I think our best chance at a fair return is taking some other team’s arb eligible player, and Luke Scott strikes me as a realistic and fair return. For a fanbase that just witnessed an entire season of offensive impotence, I’m surprised by all the scoffing at a guy whose career OPS is .844…over .040 points higher than D-Murph.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 6, 2009 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

If you play Murphy correctly there isn't much of a difference

Murphys OPS against RHP was 833 last year and 840 for his career. Scotts was 823 last year and his career split is 861. As Adam pointed out with Hamilton and Cruz getting DH ABs as well as the possibility of Young or Kinsler getting a handful of games there once you take all those games out of the equation its not a big upgrade. Definitely not worth giving up your only veteran starter for. And not for the extra 3.5 million hes gonna make over Murphy.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 6, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!

by BigGuns on Dec 6, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

@injuryexpert: Met Chuck Greenberg, one of the Rangers bidders, last night. He was impressive, passionate. Younger than I expected.

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

injury expert

Is that Will Carroll?

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 7, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I want to follow this all day but I have to write a stupid paper, I"ll give someone 100 bucks to write it for me.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

what is it about?

Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.

by tricer on Dec 7, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Well....

I have to prove that Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy is a beneficial theory when used with patients diagnosed with a dual diagnosis (major depressive disorder or borderline personality disorder and poly substance abuse)….

I’ve already got all the sources….2 books and 7 scholarly/peer reviewed journals…

15 pages in APA format (I want to punch whoever invented APA dead in the penis)

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Seconded.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

lol, younger than expected?

I guess I find comments like that strange these days when you can google anyone relatively famous and at least find a birth date.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 7, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Rangers interested in Myers

According to Crasnick of ESPN.com the Rangers are interested in a low-cost reliever and have spoken with Bret Myers’s agent. Link

by Triple Play on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

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