MLB Hot Stove Rumor Thread #1
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 AM CST
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Some Rangers stuff:
@Rotoworld_BB N. Cruz -RF-TEX: Report: Rays, Reds asking about Nelson Cruz http://tinyurl.com/neo6yd
@Buster_ESPN Rangers perhaps the most serious among teams in discussion for Matt Lindstrom. Two teams have fallen out of running, two other teams in.
@injuryexpert Met Chuck Greenberg, one of the Rangers bidders, last night. He was impressive, passionate. Younger than I expected.
@jcrasnick Texas Rangers looking for low cost relief. They talked to Brett Myers agent. Team looking at 1 year. Myers trolling for a multiyear deal.
Other teams:
@RaysIndex: Marc Topkin reporting that Brian Shouse is unlikely to accept arbitration from #Rays http://bit.ly/8GqofY
@Rotoworld_BB M. Batista -R -SEA: Rockies interested in free agent RHP Batista http://tinyurl.com/ygb329o
@nyp_joelsherman #Cubs want M.Cameron for CF, but so might #Yankees, which could be interesting since Cubs like Melky Cabrera
@mlbtraderumors Four Teams Interested In Kevin Gregg? http://bit.ly/7SO1Y3
@Rotoworld_BB Z. Duke -S -PIT: Report: Pirates' Duke and Maholm available http://tinyurl.com/d7g22t
@nyp_joelsherman #Rays growing less hopeful of swapping Burrell to #Cubs
@Rotoworld_BB C. Granderson -CF-DET: Report: Yanks covet Tigers' Granderson http://tinyurl.com/m7xrm3
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Good idea. This should be fun.... or cathartic.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
it is like reading a news wire
except without news. this could get addicting.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
@FrankiePiliere Rangers look like front runner for Lindstrom from what I’ve heard. Hard to find solid info on Lindstrom rumors but I think Tex is leading
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
what will the cost be for a Lindstrum?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
considering they are probably going to non-tender him if they don't trade him
I would say not much. The amount of teams “in the mix” seems to be very liquid, which usually means the market is actually very small, as in probably just us and the Rays.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I don't think its a forgone conclusion they will non-tender him
He only stands to make around a mil if that in arbitration which is big money for the Marlins bullpen but I don’t think its a definite he gets non-tendered as make it out to be
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
not a definite
but he could be called a candidate. I don’t think they will give him away, but I would be very surprised if we give up a top 25 prospect for him, considering we usually try to fill out our bullpen internally with failed starters and then supplement that with low risk waiver claims and NRIs.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
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@enrore Texas, Anaheim, Rays y un equipo “desconocido” son los mas interesados en el OF Milton Bradley, a quien los Cubs quisieran cambiar ya mismo
After Google Translate:
@enrore Texas, Anaheim, Rays and a team “unknown” are more interested in the OF Milton Bradley, whom the Cubs would like to change right now
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
That's Enrique Rojas of ESPN, BTW.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
The translation for "change" should actually read trade, I believe.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
"trade" that is.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
who was the possible
owner who said they would want no part of Bradley, even if the Cubs took on the entire contract.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
report was out of Chicago
so my guess is Gilbert.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Also:
Probably better translated “are the most interested in the OF…”
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
@SI_JonHeyman i’m hearing king #felix will likely seek about $100 mil over 6 years in talks with #mariners. if u ask me, hes worth it.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
That goes in the
duh column. So if Hernandez is seeking that…does that lower the price tag on Halladay? Reportedly Halladay wants a Sabathia type deal which would be around 20 mil per yr. So if Hernandez is seeking 16.7 per yr then could Halladay really be worth more?
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Generally.
Players signing extensions are giving a little bit of a hometown discount.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Plus I imagine that buys out his last two arbitration years
Which he wouldn’t get even 16 mil most likely. So you are talking about possibly yearly figures of 8 (arb 2), 12 (arb 3), 20, 20, 20, 20
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
@mlbtraderumors Giants, Mariners, Rockies Interested In Olivo http://bit.ly/8ahaSv
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
@Rotoworld_BB G. Meche -S -KC : Meche drawing good amount of trade interest http://tinyurl.com/czfjxr
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
@nyp_joelsherman #Yankees trade Bruney to #Nationals
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
@nyp_joelsherman #yankees to get player to be named later for Bruney
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
@Rotoworld_BB A. Everett -SS-DET: Tigers, Pirates with interest in SS Everett http://tinyurl.com/ybx5hdt
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
@nyp_joelsherman #Mets not interested in Milton Bradley, 2 team officials tell me
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Detroit? They just lost Grilli to the Indians and have like two free agent closers leaving.
Posted by: Wilchiro | December 06, 2009 at 10:27 AM
God MLBTRADRUMOR.com posters are really really stupid. They make Josey look intelligent.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
another joke right
Uggla and lidstrom to rays for wade davis and 1 more
mlbtraderumors poster
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Rangers Trade
Rangers Acquire Clay Rapada
By Tim Dierkes [December 7 at 1:05pm CST]
The Rangers acquired lefty reliever Clay Rapada from the Tigers for a player to be named later or cash considerations, according to MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
theres our LOOGY
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
meh
he may add to competition, but I’m not so sure some of our prospects inside the organization would be better.
Rapada has been good in AAA the last couple of years (hasn’t pitched much), but he hasn’t really performed that well when called up.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Whos gonna compete with him?
AJ Murray had reverse splits last year so LOOGY isn’t exactly a great spot for him. Rapada has been dynamite against lefties in the minors striking out almost 12 per 9 innings. And hes under control for several years.
I like this pickup
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
http://woolis.com/images/2006ICubs/06BB06-25%20091Rapada.jpg
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
I agree
cheap, low cost to acquire and worse comes to worse DFA him.
I look at him to be at least as productive as everyday Eddie G was
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Except he should be able to get LHB out
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
it seems like a low cost pickup
especially if it is for cash considerations. I wonder if that would ruin our capability of signing any FAs. I think they just broke the piggy bank
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I imagine the cash considerations are very minimal
Like possibly a Low A players salary or something. 30-40,000 maybe
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Wtf, Kinslerhomer?
You got out scooped.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
I know!
Left for a couple of hours and missed it….
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
LSB fave Matt Murton to Japan
Outfielder Matt Murton was released by the Rockies in a move designed to allow Murton to sign with a Japanese team.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Someone here
predicted that a while back, can’t remember who.
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lol
at LSJ for wanting to trade Byrd for Murton.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
to be fair
I wanted Murton and Sean Marshall.
Still, oops.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
At the time
I might have been ok with that trade, not ashamed to admit it.
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Yay!
@espnrangersblog Rangers manager Ron Washington just said that if the season started today, that Julio Borbon would be leadoff hitter and CF.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
The Gut be damned
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
indigestion
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
who wants to be he wont say that in spring training?
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Really Ron?
@stevehenson333 Ron Washington said prospect Neftali Feliz could pitch out of bullpen even if he is one of the Rangers top 5 starters coming out of spring.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
limit his innings initially?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I'd rather they just do that in AAA
and make him a starter all year. We don’t need any Joba crap.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
you would rather him
not help the big league club than help it if they want to limit his innings.
I sort of liked having him in the bullpen, if option b is not having him at all.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I would rather not yank him around.
Let him go to OKC for a couple months and pitch every 5 days. Take the restrictions off when he comes up in June.
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how does that restrict his innings?
pitching as a starter in OKC is still throwing innings. The only time in question is the transition period when we stretch him out as a starter, and I think even that should happen at the ML level.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
+10000000000000000000
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Orioles: More on Millwood
My blog day started with some speculation about the Orioles interest in veteran pitcher Kevin Millwood, but as the day has unfolded, I’ve reached the conclusion that it isn’t just idle speculation.
The Orioles apparently are quite interested in Millwood, who would provide a stable veteran presence in an otherwise youthful rotation. The trick will be figuring out what the Texas Rangers would accept in return and who pays how much of the $12 million he is guaranteed for the 2010 season.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
They also want Frankie Francisco
The Orioles plan to pursue a closer this offseason, according to manager Dave Trembley.
Nick Markakis?
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
It's fun to dream...
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
it is sort of tempting
to cash out on Frankie after a good year and one year removed from FA, but I don’t know what I would ask Baltimore for that would make it worth it…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
ehh just wait till he leaves in FA and take the draft picks
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
unless you are ready to put Feliz as the permanent closer
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I wouldn't be as upset as some around here
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Arrieta is a nice SP prospect
I was hoping we’d draft him. But anyway, trading big league pitchers for more pitching prospects isn’t what I’m hoping for this offseason.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
and
a TCU Horned Frog
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 7, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Millwood and Frankie
for Arrieta and ???
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
So the Orioles want a veteran presence for their young rotation
And we should be giving our only one away when we are the team that figures to be contending?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
confusing.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
MEh...
MacPhail confirmed that he’d be willing to trade for a pitcher who has only one year remaining on his contract, though he wasn’t necessarily referring to Kevin Millwood. There’s a buzz here that the Orioles’ interest in Millwood has picked up, but it’s difficult to know what to believe.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I think Millwood gets dealt before the meetings are over.
Schmuck reports that the Orioles are getting closer to acquiring Millwood for one of their second-tier pitching prospects. The Rangers are likely to eat some of Millwood’s contract no matter what, I assume, but Schmuck writes that the number is dependent on which prospect the Orioles surrender.
Hopefully dealing Millwood will allow the Rangers to sign Sheets, Harden or some other TORP potential SP.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
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Thats great news
Kevin Millwood>Victor Zambrano
OT - I find it awesome and appropriate that there exists a journalist named Peter Schmuck.
If that’s seriously his birthname, you gotta tip your hat to the guy for actually writing under it. If it’s a penname, it’s the best penname of all time.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 8, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
Have I mentioned...
David Hernandez?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
It sounds like Hernandez is a two pitch guy
with a great out pitch in his slider who may ultimately become a very good bullpen arm down the road.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
working out of the bullpen
that could play up too. 93+ with a plus slider could be a very nice combo.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Rays and Halladay, this would have been dumb
The Rays might be willing to offer star pitching prospect Wade Davis and outfielder B.J. Upton. (In that possibility, Toronto could flip Upton to a third team.)
Rays already denied it
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
trying to drive upthe price for Bos and NYY....
Good try Jays GM.. next time pick something a little bit more believable
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Shelley Duncan
What does everyone think about trying to bring him in on an NRI? He’s a RH power/patience 1B/OF/DH type who destroyed AAA ball in a pitcher friendly environment to the tune of .277/.370/.546. He’s now a minor league FA. I know the optimal solution is a much bigger name, but I wouldn’t mind having him stashed in our system.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
No
If only because he’s so gd’ing ugly.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Zactly!
If I had a dog that ugly, I’d shave it’s ass and teach it to walk backwards.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
remember...
the preseason slide into second. i would be willing to take a shot at lil’ pete rose
http://secondbaser.blogspot.com
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Giants GM Brian Sabean told Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News that Ryan Garko is on the bubble in terms of being non-tendered.
If he does
We better go hard after him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I agree
I’ve been interested in him for a while
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
He bombed after going to SF last year
Wonder what it would take in trade to get him so other teams don’t have a chance?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why?
Atkins is a year older and Garko hits LHP better
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Is that the only reason?
Cause if so id rather have Garko
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah, possibly
He does nothing for me though. Give me Garko. Yeah, I know all about Hurdle….just sayin.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Do
it, Sabean. Please.
We (Ranger fans) need this.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Brad Penny
6:27pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that a physical is scheduled for Tuesday, and Penny will get a one-year, $7.5MM deal with another $1.5MM in incentives. Pretty big base salary.
$7.5 million? Damn.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Penny can earn close to $9 million through performance-based incentives.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Who the hell...
is going to give Penny that kind of money?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Pavano to accept arb from Twinkies
The 33-year-old right-hander was 14-12 with a 5.10 ERA in 33 starts with the Indians and Twins in 2009 and should earn close to $7.5 million through the arbitration process.
Oh hell…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
The Twins are generaly a smart franchise
But offering Pavano arbitration was one boneheaded move
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Pavano
had one of the lowest E-Fs in baseball last year (which I just learned today is ERA minus FIP), signaling that he was hurt tremendously by pitching in front of some very bad defenses.
I don’t think this was a bad move at all for the Twins, especially given how important Millwood types apparently are to fanbases.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
They're probably gonna get Nick Johnson
Bastards.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Dec 15th is the deadline for Hicks to pick an offer
according to the guys on MLB network
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
link
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/brandon-mccarthy-drawing-interest.html
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
Rangers have inquired about Ryan Doumit
The Mariners and Rangers have both inquired on the switch-hitting catcher who is owed $3.55MM in 2010 and $5.1MM in 2011 before two club options kick in.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/pirates-have-discussed-capps-doumit.html
I'm all for Doumit.
What would it take to get him? Kiker plus another marginal prospect?
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Mets are apparently interested in Millwood too
Joel Sherman provides us with a new rumor, stating that he’s learned the Mets and Brewers are discussing a swap of John Maine and Corey Hart. He adds that the Mets are also discussing Kevin Millwood with the Rangers.
I kinda feel like we should be dumping while the dumpings good on Millwood. I have a feeling he’s really gonna suck next year and wind up untradable by the ASB.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Baltimore reportedly getting closer on Millwood
from some schmuck…
As a friendly guide, here is John Sickels’ Orioles’ top 20 list for 2010. Remember we are looking for a “second tier pitching prospect” so let’s leave out the Matusz and Arrieta rumors…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
while in some ways Pavano and Penny
agreeing to contracts (or arb) that could result in higher salaries than we expected could hurt us, it actually helps us when it comes to Millwood’s value. That said, it sounds like there is at least speculation that we’ll have to kick in a little money to get a prospect of any real value…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Isn't a guy like Coffey
more in the line of JD’s MO? Pay little of Millwood’s contract and get someone who is coming off an injury.
20) Cameron Coffey, LHP, Grade C: Tommy John survivor, could rank much higher once we see how he recovers from surgery. Clocked as high as 95 MPH before injury.
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As high as 95....
probably means he sat 88-92 before surgery
My guess
This is the guy JD wants, give or take some throw-ins.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 8, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Erbe or Hernandez for me
I think Britton may be slightly out of our range, but that is a completely arbitrary range I have set in my mind.
Hernandez threw 160+ innings last year and has a decent K rate, so it isn’t like it is out of the question to think he could eat some of those same innings Millwood did last year…
I should probably lower my expectations, though, unless this turns into something looking closer like a bidding war than a salary dump.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
You are making a good point is a roundabout way.
Millwood’s likely performance in 2010 is not worth $12M. Someone like Hernandez can give the Rangers similar performance at a much lower cost thus freeing up $$ for other needs. At least I think that is JD’s plan.
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it might be his plan
but, let’s just say if we get a prospect even as good as David Hernandez I will be pleasantly surprised.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Hernandez
I was discussing the Millwood to Baltimore rumor with a buddy of mine last night who is an O’s fan, and Daniel Hernandez was the name we both threw out as being the most plausible return.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
His peripherals
are not exciting, but at least they’re trending in the right direction.
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Sickels new O's prospect list
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 8, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Saw that last week
Britton is enticing, but unless there’s quite a bit more coming I’d hate sending Millwood there. I just can’t feel good about a rotation fronted by Feldman, even though I think he’ll be solid this year. Of course, I don’t feel good about a rotation fronted by Millwood either.
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the whole idea
of trading Millwood is to free up money to add another pitcher, albeit a higher risk/reward type, like Sheets. I think the team realizes it has the depth to backfill average innings (4.50 to 5.00 ERA types like Millwood has typically been) and wants to go for broke on a guy like Sheets while also having some money to go after a guy like Vlad or Dye.
If this whole plan comes to fruition and we have a rotation of Sheets, Feldman, Holland, Hunter and Feliz (or Harrison or BMac), plus a decent RH bat in the middle of the order, then I think we’ll be a better team next year…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
some people around here
don’t seem capable of realizing this is a two step process:
1. Shed Millwood’s contract (and his blessed 190 innings w/ a 4.90 FIP)
2. Use those savings to sign multiple players to incentive laden deals who will ultimately prove more valuable than Millwood
The reason we can do this is because our needs this year match up well with the market. Most teams don’t need high risk/reward starters or old DH bats.
But we do. In fact, that’s exactly what we need.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The only way we need high risk/high reward starters is if we have a vetaran already in the rotation
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
we do
his name is Scott Feldman, and last year he was significantly better than Kevin Millwood. In fact, you could argue that Tommy Hunter and even Dustin Nippert could pitch as effectively as Millwood did last year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Hes been a starter for 2 years
Thats not the kind of veteran who I want for 4 other kids in a potential pennant race.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
is Millwood
known for his grit? Did he constantly take the young pitchers aside and help them out?
I seem to remember a guy who didn’t give a shit about conditioning until he had to reach a certain innings mark last year, and all of a sudden he looked a lot more fit and managed to pitch well into September.
There is a difference between a good veteran influence and a guy who’s just old.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I remember a few times last year other players...
both veteran and young say either before or after a Millwood start they needed their horse to go out that night and give them innings. Stuff like that. We have a pitching coach so he isn’t needed in that capacity but taking the mound 30+ times a year even when you are a little sore and stuff like that are things that rub off on young guys.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'd be a lot more comfortable...
dealing Millwood after the Rangers are able to sign a couple of those players. You can always deal him in a salary dump move. I think we have seen that teams are interested in him. However if you deal him now and then go after those other players and end up with nobody I think it sends a bad message about the team and takes away a pretty reliable starter.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Millwood update
9:00am: Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says no deal is imminent and the Rangers are in serious talks with multiple teams about Millwood. As you know, the Rangers allowed Millwood to record “The $12 Million Out” last September, letting his $12MM option vest for 2010.
Millwood is all but gone.
The question is: Does Hicks just pocket the money saved or does he allow JD to go out and sign Sheets or a similar pitcher? Maybe JD wants to sign Dye or another RHB to DH.
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Would give us room for Doumit, as well, instead of one of the old underwhelming FA bats
And Sheets, hopefully
how much do we expect Doumit to cost?
how much beyond Brandon McCarthy?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
depends on if they can bring in another FA pitcher
like Sheets.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Rangers are not in on Doumit
The Rangers are not interested in trading for Pirates catcher Ryan Doumit, reports MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
If Hicks pockets the money and his house burns down...and you never hear from me again
then, well…..
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 8, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I understand they are looking to save money....
but by the ASB if Millwood is pitching well then he can actually bring a worthwhile prospect. Not to mention we need Millwood.
$12M
I have a feeling the FO will stretch that as far as possible by signing a bunch of heavily incentivized deals with relatively low base contracts and by making some astute trades. Depending on what the trades bring in, I could see us signing Sheets and one of the DH candidates for less than $12 in base salaries, with the FO assuming that by the time the incentives are reached that our ownership situation has been resolved…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I've been highly critical of Millwood but who is
going to replace those 198 IPs (21 Game Scores of 50+ in 32 starts)? This is a salary dump and not a move about making the team better. Yeah, you may clear some space on the budget to go get a hitter but there’s nobody that can be depended on to do what Millwood did last year.
Millwood was pretty good thru June but what soon became obvious is that he needed to be skipped a start. Durability is a part of a pitcher’s skill-set and should not be disregarded.
Millwood should be able to be a decent #3 pitcher on a 90 win team who soaks up a lot of innings and a salary dump doesn’t make sense for a team truly interested in contending in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
I really don't think
Millwood reaches 180IP in 2010. Maybe not even 150IP. He is likely done after 2010.
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Millwood didn't look done to me in September after being
skipped a start. His fastball was touching the low 90s v Oakland & LAAA and he pitched effectively.
You never know with pitchers his age who didn’t find religion on keeping in shape until later in their careers but I think Millwood can be a decent back of the rotation guy who soaks up innings thru 2012.
If he’s in shape (which is always a question), I see him going at least 180 IPs in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
So you think he should only pitch every 10 days? :)
His physical conditioning is part of his problem. The second part is that his peripheral numbers are declining.
The only reason he was in shape last ST was his option and Nolan’s …. request. He doesn’t seem to be a highly motivated individual that will work hard on his conditioning toextend his career a couple years.
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Millwood had a very good contract year in 2005
and was mostly effective last year when he had a $ 12 million carrot (180 IPs) dangled in front of him.
2010 is another contract year for Millwood.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
yes it is a contract year
but he is also much older and richer than he was in 2005.
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you do realize that all studies show that the theory people do better in contract years are a myth right?
http://www.philbirnbaum.com/freeagent.ppt
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1294593
For every time you can find a guy that did well in a contract year, you can just as easily find a guy that tanked. As a whole there is not statistical significance to the claim that people do better in contract years. The problem Millwood has going into this season is he is in the decline stage of his career and he pitched his heaviest IP workload since 2006 and had a significant increase in the # of pitches from the previous year.
I would not expect him to do as well has he did last year, especially with his peripherals crashing around him.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Certain players have a history of doing quite well
in contract years and Millwood appears to be one of them.
The “contract year” rule doesn’t apply to everybody and I would guess that an equal number of players crash from all the pressure of trying to do too much.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
So, the fact that he has done well twice in contract years makes him assured to continue that trend?
Contract years fall into the “random Walk” model. It is like flipping a coin. If I have hit heads three times in a row, that does not mean that I will be more likely to hit heads again. It is still 50/50.
Same with Millwood. He has hit “good” on his contract year twice in a row now. What about his last year with the Phils? Doing well in some walk years and not others does not mean that the trend will continue. All that means that he did well in 3 contract years.
If you add the rest of the empirical evidence with it, you get the more likely scenario that he under performs than over performs…
Trying to add the colloquial remarks about pressure and character to validate the argument does nothing to prove or even come close to building a basis for a counter argument.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Dec 8, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
contract year
that stuff is bullshit, he wasn’t that good last year despite his shiny ERA. He was very lucky early on with an unrealistic strand rate.
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Does anyone
really believe that a pitcher goes out with a mindset of “I gotta throw strikes, cause I’ll be a free agent next year” as opposed to “Fuck it, let’s walk a few, I’m under team control for three more years.”
I’d like to think that most ballplayers are highly competitive and usually give close to 100%. Of course there are exceptions (like Bradley) who are obviously just playing for $$$, but I don’t think it’s that common.
yeah... I never got a responce back from Josey on that...
not really a surprise. There is no proof that players do better in a contract year. I is like saying one guy has more grit than the other….
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I didn't see your response (after my initial response), lax.
I’ve read what you wrote and I think you’re rattling your own head just to make some noise.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
No..
The fact that you continue to hold onto the misconceptions of baseball past is what hurts you the most here. Times have changed. The game is no longer about perceived value or ERA or RBI’s or hustle or grit or any other myopic ideas that allowed people to credit players that under-perform and instead call them valuable contributors Baseball has evolved to a much more precise much more measured environment.
If you are still so hung up on the misconceptions of the past, become a soccer fan. They still accept the concepts of grit and determination as major characteristics of players.
Things like the contract year myth and lineup protection have been statistically proven as false. There is no going back and sticking your head in the sand.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
My baseball knuckles were off the ground a long
time ago and I was reading Bill James before I graduated from college. Yes, thank god the game has changed.
To say under all circumstances that a contract year does not exist and that any significant upgrade in performance is a coincidence is not only arrogant but it’s incorrect.
It happens occasionally but much less than people think.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Which makes it more of a coincedence than anything else
It happens occasionally but much less than people think.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Knuckles
I don’t care how long ago you read Bill James or anyone else, you still don’t understand any of it. When it comes to baseball, the sport evolved, but you’re still swinging in the trees and flinging poop.
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Actually no
it doesn’t happen at all. You perceive it to happen. People might want to believe that is happens., but it doesn’t happen. You are letting your mind bias your understanding of the data. What you think you know matters little unless you can prove it.
How can you claim to be reading and following Bill James for so log and still not pick up the basic concept of statistics.
That is like trying to claim that because I might get fired if I perform poorly over this year so I worked above and beyond what I would have been able to perform due to the far of getting fired? So therefore I have not been working as hard as possible to begin with.
There is no such thing as superhuman effort over the long haul. You are either implying that Millwood dogs it the rest of the time and then performs at his normal level only during contract years or you have to accept that his contract year fluctuations are just random fluctuations that are as more influenced by luck, injury and age as it is by some perceived notion of an arbitrary concept of performing well in a contract year.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
No, lax what Millwood's performances in contract years
provide is information.
It may be important information or it may be unimportant. The fact that he’s done it twice makes it a little less random and possibly more important.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
He didn't do it twice
He was lucky in 2009. A 78% strand rate with a .278 BaBIP does not equal stepping up in a contract year. He was good in 2005, and he was better in 2006 as a Ranger than he was last year.
You are still an idiot.
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I agree
you need a veteran in there to take up innings, and that is what Millwood does. Oakland suffered last year because they didn’t have that veteran to supplement their youth.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
that's not why they suffered last year...
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
it is a big part of it
their bullpen was overused early and often. Their bullpen pitched more innings than anyone not named the Padres. That does not bode well for success.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I agree that they needed more innings from their rotation
I just disagree that the innings had to be pitched by a veteran.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I agree fully with this
If we deal Millwood I think we are essentially throwing in the towel on 2010
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Norm now saying that if the Rangers deal Millwood
they will still have to pay $ 3-4 million of his salary and only receive second-tier prospects.
Fuck you, Tom Hicks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
second-tier prospects for the O's are guys like Hernandez and Erbe.
I like that.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 8, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
And an 87 win team then dips below .500
but the GM and all his Lewinskys can runaround bragging about the quality & depth of the minor league system.
What happens to the major league team is far more important than what Baseball America says about your minor league system.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
The minor league system is still important because thats how you keep a winning team
Unless you are the Yankees or Red Sox (even though they had a good farm system this past season) the only way to maintain success is to have a continuous pipeline of young affordable talent coming up.
We have spent the last two years building that pipeline and I agree with you Josey, now the results on the major league level need to start showing.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
bigsteve, I was brought up on the Dodger Way of doing things so
I recognize the importance of having a productive minor league system.
The players acquired for Millwood aren’t going to meaningfully contribute to a winning team for a significant amount of time so why do it if you have a chance to win 90 games in 2010?
Why not keep Millwood and if you don’t contend you can move him at the trade deadline for prospects that might actually be decent?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
No one gives a shit about how you were brought up.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Did you order your "Poinsettia Bowl"
T shirt yet?
LOL!!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
No...
I decided to go to the Alamo Bowl instead.
It’s obviously a much bigger game since it involves a .500 team from the Big Ten.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I agree with everything you just said Josey
I don’t want to trade away Millwood even if it means signing Sheets or Harden.
You come off though as you don’t care about the minor league system and we should be throwing money around like the yankees or Red Sox and buying every free agent. Thats not possible for us even if we had a different owner. We need to keep a good minor league system to keep having a chance to be competitive.
What JDs been doing the last two years is building that base which started forming last year at the major league level. Nows the time to start building from that base but you can’t completely neglect the minors.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I have long said that the way to properly build your team
is to have a balance between homegrown players, trades and key free agents. You know, like the Phillies.
The Rangers once again have one of the best minor league systems in MLB which is great. The draft pick for Pudge is an added bonus.
I don’t think anybody could accuse the Rangers of neglecting their minor league system but now it’s time to focus on the team at the major league level because the window of opportunity is open.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
agreed
So why have you bitched so much about the major league team the past couple years?
Those years were focused on building the farm system. You can’t build a farm system as fast as we did without alot of draft picks and trades. That means losing good players in free agency and trading good ones away. And that also means you can’t go sign the good ones because it costs you picks or prospects.
Not too many people on here will agrue that JD wasn’t very good his first couple years. but now that hes had time to build the farm up and do his thing we are in good shape. If we had an owner who could spend this winter who knows what we would be doing. i think its unfair to lay so much at JDs feet when his hands are tied to obviously upgrade our team via trade or FA. Hopefully we can get an owner in here ASAP who sees what JDs built and what the direction of this franchise is and gives JD the resources to keep building. if so the rangers could be on the verge of something truly special
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The major league team is and always will
be my priority and when it sucks (losing record 8 of 10 years) I have ground for squawking.
What JD does now (after completely fucking up a minor league system with all kinds of talent that he inherited) is out of balance because he continues to focus on the minor league system to the expense of the product at the major league level.
I recognize the importance of the minor leagues but there has to be a balance, especially now when the team at the major league level with a shitty history begins to win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
He didn't inherit all kinds of talent though
We had a good young offensive core which he only traded away AGon prematurely and hes added Cruz and Hamilton to that along with Borbon and Elvis.
We had no pitching however. At least no immediate impact pitchers. Could we have thrown John Danks to the wolves like Chicago did…yeah but our owner had the idea we were in a position to win now. We weren’t. Who else did we have…Chris Young [puke], Edinson Volquez…[decent but we turned him into Hamilton and he got injured], Thomas Diamond of the famed DVD…[puke], Eric Hurley…[injured]. he kept CJ and Frankie and they have been the core to our good bullpen last year.
The fact we went from total rebuild in the summer of 07 to contending down the wire in 2009 is pretty remarkable actually. Usually it takes much much longer because it takes guys so much longer to work up through the minors. And we did all this without a top 5 pick in the draft.
Yes now we need to work on building the major league team into a winner. We have the foundation built. But JD can’t build if Hicks can’t supply him with the products.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You don't trade Millwood for shit that's never going to help you win
unless the plan is to raise the white flag this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
I think ive said the exact same thing this morning
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You move Milly now
because he could very well be a giant bag of worthless shit by the time the ASB rolls around next year.
I like it long term
But for 2010 I think its essentially raising the white flag
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I lost track of where the Doumit talk was
Now the Rangers are not interested in Doumit. Probably because Doumit would have to be the starter and the Rangers haven’t given up on Salty yet.
General manager Neal Huntington confirmed on Monday that teams have called him regarding the availability of catcher Ryan Doumit on the trade front. Apparently, the Rangers, who do have an interest in the catching market, are not a serious suitor.
http://bucsbits.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/source_rangers_not_in_on_doumi.html
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Dbacks offered Chris Synder to the Rangers for CJ ans was turned down....
The D’Backs offered Chris Snyder to the Rangers for C.J. Wilson and were turned down, reports MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Interesting
@KenDavidoff #Cardinals can’t offer B. Penny arbitration after ’10 if he attains Type A status.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I have a feeling that will be a fairly common provision in contracts this winter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
BP's Perrotto: O's offer for Millwood
The Orioles are trying to trade for Rangers right-hander Kevin Millwood to serve as an anchor to a young starting rotation and are offering outfielder Felix Pie. The Orioles are also interested in free-agent closer Kevin Gregg.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
put this in the morning thread too
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 8, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
He was really good in the second half if I remember right
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 8, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
yep
he put up a .290/.346/..497 slash line after the break last year.
We shouldn’t discount Pie just because we feel we don’t need him. I have a feeling he has some value in this league.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
had BABIP's in
in June, July and Aug of .538, .357 and .356 the inflated his overall stat line. When those fell to the .300 level he was a sub .700 OPS guy…
I guess it falls down to do you project him to be an above average guy in BABIP? If so, his stat line is fairly repeatable. If you expect him to normalize then he is a 4th OF.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
his overall BABIP for the year
was only .318, so it looks like he might have been pretty unlucky outside of those months. FWIW, his BABIP throughout his minor league career has been much higher.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
he had a horrible April at .200
the other months May and Sept where right at .300. In those he was a .700 OPS guy.
Minor league BABIP tends to range in the .330’s or so.
So the real question si how much do you believe in his bat?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Screw that...
I don’t want Felix Pie.
Think bigger O’s.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Why would we want Pie
We just came out yesterday and proclaimed Hamilton, Cruz, and Borbon would be our OF. Unless we are planning on moving either hamilton or Cruz to DH full time I don’t see the need for another OF unless its someone to platoon with Murphy against LHP which we already have Boggs for if need be.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
nyp_joelsherman But if what is standing in way is Mike Dunn or not, my gut says trade gets completed, and a Yankee exec said there is “traction”
nyp_joelsherman #Yankees recognize A.Jackson must be in deal for Granderson, but want to re-configure back end to keep Mike Dunn, give up different prospect
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Yuck
@fantasy411 White Sox and infielder Mark Teahen have agreed to terms with on a three-year, $14-million contract, avoiding arbitration.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I am a little baffled
by the contracts signed so far. We seem to be the only kids on the block worrying about the bargain bin right now.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I can't believe how much Teahen and Penny have got.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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In the latest case of unusual candor via Twitter, I present C.J. Wilson, a Texas Rangers reliever, who heard about a rumor that Arizona was offering catcher Chris Snyder in exchange for him.
by GregoryM on Dec 8, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions
Hank
Hank Blalock, Carlos Delgado and Nick Johnson remain on the Orioles’ list for their vacancy at first base.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-sp.orioles08dec08,0,3218411.story
by GregoryM on Dec 8, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Filed under....
“You don’t always get what you want, you don’t always want what you get”
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
per TR
Ranger interested in Darren Oliver. He adds…
Signing a left-handed reliever increases the chances of moving C.J. Wilson from the bullpen to the rotation.
I doubt it. CJ won’t be a SP unless there are massive injuries in the SPs in front of him.
http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/rangers_meeting_with_olivers_a.html
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