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Around SBN: The End Of Sabanball: Details, Barbarians, And Precision

The staggering amount of young talent poised to break into the majors puts Jon Daniels in the enviable position of dealing from strength. He doesn’t have to make any trades, but 2010 is the first season in which his team could be favored in the AL West, so if he can deal some of that future to lower the variance on performance from a lineup or rotation slot, he may be in position to do that. Jed Hoyer and Alex Anthopolous should both be pinging Daniels frequently, for the Rangers are the one team positioned to trade multiple top prospects in a single deal if the player is right. There’s some question as to how much money the Rangers can spend, which is why a trade rather than a free-agent signing seems a more likely route. This team can be a favorite in '10, but it needs to add OBP and needs to recognize that the performance of its pitchers in '09 may not be repeatable.

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The pitching could be repeatable

It seems like it is mostly about the defense last year. I could see the defense getting better next year.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Dec 7, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

Well, why couldn't the defense be worse next year?

Kinsler had by far his best year with the glove and I don’t expect him to be quite that good again. Young still stinks, and the OF situation is touch and go, with Hamilton being unpredictable in both effectiveness and number of games out there, Borbon will make some rookies mistakes…

In short, no one should count on the defense being as good or better than last year, though I certainly don’t expect it to be a minus like it was before then.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Young improved as the season progressed.

He may be a lg avg defender next year bu tthat is likely his ceiling.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Defense traditionally is more stable than the other phases

We have a young team, over all, that was playing at a pretty good defensive level. The chances of it improving are greater than the chances of it regressing.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Why the defense won't be worse next year

All Kinsler did last season was cut down on the mental mistakes. He’s always had the talent to be a great 2B and last year was just the first time he put it all together for a whole season. Young also isn’t going to get worse next year at 3B while last year’s defense was being held back by poor defense at third. Elvis is only going to get better too. C and CF are the only two spots up for grabs in how they’ll turn out, but its not like Byrd was a GG there last season and neither were our catchers so there isn’t too much to lose.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 7, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Valid points

but I’m still not going to just assume that Kinsler will be just as good, nor will I assume that an aging Young will improve. Andrus was quite good already, he could get better, but I’m not going to count on it.

In other words, improve the pitching if at all possible, because the bulk of improvement defensively has already happened.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Young is getting older

but 3B doesn’t require him to be much more athletic than he is right now. He just has to continue getting used to the position and then the only thing to bitch about will be how he doesn’t dive for anything.

If you’re not going to count on guys like Kinsler and Andrus getting better, is there anyone you think will improve instead of get worse?

And yes, improve the pitching if possible. Improve the hitting if possible. Improve the defense if possible.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 7, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just taking a prudent stance

in terms of what I’d be thinking in player acquisition. I’m not saying everyone sucks and will regress. I’m not saying anything shocking or putting down these players, no need to defend them to me.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree with that

but I do not by any means think this defense will regress

of course I’m among the few it seems on here that think Borbon will be a good centerfielder and by moving Josh to right and Nelson to left, we’ll have a very good defensive (and offensive) outfield.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Some have speculated that

Ian used to shade towards the middle when MY played SS. Last year he seemed to have a normal 2B positioning thus improving his UZR and plus/minus numbers.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with everything in that post

A trade is necessary not because they need more talent to compete, but because the variance associated with young players is just really high. The acquisition of a low-variance good player (OBP guys are typically lower variance than SLG guys) would do wonders for this lineup.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

Of course you agree with everything in that post

He didn’t say anything that everyone didn’t already know.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 7, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean the more subtle aspects

that if the Rangers don’t do anything they’d still be competitive – the sky-is-falling crowd would have you believe otherwise – and free agency isn’t something that the Rangers should/will be worried about too much.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yes

the “WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING. LETS GIVE UP NOW, AND FOCUS ON THE OKLAHOMA REDHAWKS.” crowd.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Dec 7, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought they were the 89ers

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed
This team can be a favorite in ’10, but it needs to add OBP and needs to recognize that the performance of its pitchers in ’09 may not be repeatable.

The pitching may not repeat it self. In fact we should not go into the year thinking Scooter and Tommy can replicate their performance. Think Ryan Dreese if you will. Not saying thats gonna happen but it could.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Dec 7, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

And just as likely as those two bombing

is the possibility that Holland and Feliz break out. Certain players declining doesn’t destroy the possibility that others will improve and pick up the slack.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 7, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Also id say its very likely the performance of our hitters in 09 won't be repeated in 2010

That right there is pretty significant improvement

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

very true

just need a healthy Josh really

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, no...

Those two events are not equally likely to occur.

by JDT217 on Dec 7, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If we got Sizemore...

…miles might decide to become a Ranger fan again.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Miles is a douche

that is all

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Miles really does nothing worth talking about other than being a huge douche. He’s like the Paris Hilton of this board. He has done nothing useful but everyone on here knows who he is. The only difference being no one wants to bang Miles where as despite what they might say, I’m pretty sure everyone on here would bang Paris.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHA

Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."

by red3biggs on Dec 7, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

And this is exactly why JD should be fired...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

He's playing a part

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone other than Josey...

…is calling for Daniels to be fired, though, are they?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The Lewinsky contingent of LSB

is very strong in their approval of JD.

I told you boys about Tom Hicks and I’ve always felt the same way about JD.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

That's funny

Didn’t you say recently that you were willing to give JD a chance until he made the Soriano and AG/Young/Eaton deals, and then that’s when you soured on him?

Or has the real truth (that you never liked JD to begin with) come out?

When he gets this team to the playoffs, don’t say you weren’t told.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 7, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I gave JD a honeymoon period of one year

and then went ballistic when I saw just how bad the AG & Soriano trades were followed by what he did after the 2006 season in hopes of building a winner in 2007.

The combined incompetence of all these moves made me realize JD didn’t know what the hell he was doing.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

OK

So you haven’t “always felt the same way about JD.”

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I was somewhat open-minded about him

going into 2006 but leery of his age (yet hopeful he’d be as good as Theo) and the fact that he no real baseball experience.

Collecting baseball cards as a youth in NYC, fetching coffee in Colorado and being Hart’s little yip yip dog in the Ranger FO didn’t impress me.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Somewhat open minded

from you probably consisted of Ok, let’s see how long it takes this donut-maker to fuck up.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I gave him the first year but it became fairly apparent he didn't know what the hell he was doing. I still don't

think he knows how to assess what a team at the major league level needs to do to improve.

It’s always been his weakness.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

So he only knows

what makes players good until they reach AAA? Gotcha.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry about it.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

not one year

thats entirely too long

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

and you'll never be able to move on

from that even if he does produce winners because you’ll give Nolan the credit

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Dec 7, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

hmm

Assuming the Rangers would have to trade one of their top 4 to get a TORP in return… they can’t trade Scheppers yet. Would they trade Smoak given their need for a high obp, middle of the order bat and CD’s history? Why trade Feiz for a TORP when Feliz may be your TORP in 2011. That leaves Martin Perez as the obvious top talent trade bait.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

CDavis has to prove he can play every day

in The Show at 1B and hit in the middle of the order before you can entertain any thoughts of trading Smoak.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

TORP

I don’t understand how this team trades for a TORP right now.

Sheehan writes:

There’s some question as to how much money the Rangers can spend, which is why a trade rather than a free-agent signing seems a more likely route.

I don’t understand how trading for a TORP, or any other available impact player for that matter, is really any different as far as payroll flexibility is concerned. Trading for an impact player is going to mean adding payroll unless a big contract is moved in its place. We know Young’s contract isn’t moving. This mean’s to add a big contract we’d probably have to move Millwood. Is it worth essentially moving Millwood/Perez/Smoak or Millwood/Feliz/Smoak to get Halladay? If you don’t make this move you likely end up with 2 if not 3 of Feliz/Holland/Perez in the rotation in two years. Is Halladay’s performance that much better than Millwood and whoever else in 2011 to take that risk?

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

This

if we don’t have payroll flexibility to sign scrubs, then we hardly have enough flexibility to trade for high priced pitching

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I would trade davis and smoak

in any number of trade scenarios if we re-acquired Adrian Gonzalez. Trade Millwood for Luke Scott and then trade Davis, Murphy, Holland, Beavan, Kiker, Moscosso, Moreland, Smoak and filler for any comination of Sizemore, Adrian Gonzalez, affordable TORP and sign either Harden/Sheets/Bedard and start the season.

TORP/Sheets/Feldman/Hunter/Feliz
Gonzo/Kins/Drus/Face/Hammy/Cruz/Borbon/Sizemore/Scott

by Tony10 on Dec 7, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Define

“affordable TORP” please? And then explain why anyone would be willing to trade you one?

"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009

by Oddibee on Dec 7, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

And the answer to the second question?

"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009

by Oddibee on Dec 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

well, if they have TORP stuff

but havent got it together yet, are heading into arb and team may not want to pay up, i can come up with a number of reasons why

by Tony10 on Dec 7, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

oh my god make it stop

seriously can we fast forward to spring training

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That was funny

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 7, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

What the...?

"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09

"We’re tired of hearing how bad the Rangers pitching staff is and we’re doing all we can to change it." - Kevin Millwood, 5/6/09

by EssBee on Dec 7, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

they can trade scheppers IIRC

as a PTBNL

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Not until late February I believe

6 months after he signed

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

please no

no trading Perez. you know what? no to Smoak, Feliz, Holland, Andrus, Cruz, Kinsler, Hamilton or Borbon, either.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Rangers Acquire Clay Rapada

The Rangers acquired lefty reliever Clay Rapada from the Tigers for a player to be named later or cash considerations, according to MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 7, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

is he a sidearming lefty?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

So trade for AGon?

Sounds good.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Dec 7, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

Yes please

JD could make up for his gaf by getting A-gon back.

by Tony10 on Dec 7, 2009 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

why

A-gon’s value is at an all-time high and trading for him would cost a bunch of prospects. We still have Smoak and Davis with Moreland and MaxRam available as well.

I don’t see how trading away top prospects now makes up for a past deal.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That's like saying

we resigned Sammy Sosa, so Tom G should be forgiven for the Baines trade.

2 wrongs dont make a right

Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."

by red3biggs on Dec 7, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's what they should do

They should sign Fernando Tatis for as little money as possible.

They should trade Kevin Millwood, Blake Bevan, Taylor Teagarden and Justin Smoak to the Cubs for Milton Bradley (DH), Geovanny Soto © and Shawn Marshall (LHP).

Ridic??

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 7, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

I hate the offseason

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Can you imagine living in weather like

this or worse for the next four months?

I don’t know how people live up north.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not so bad.

"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales

by cmkelly29 on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I was bitching about the weather this weekend

My wife said she didn’t understand why I cared because I never go outside. I told her I still have to walk from the parking garage into my office, and occasionally go to lunch, and have to be outside then.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Snow in mass quantities is fantastic...

it gets a little old in say.. late January

Shacking up during a huge snowstorm is fun.

"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales

by cmkelly29 on Dec 7, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You say that now

But I did that once. It was fun while it lasted. Now I have two kids. And now during snowstorms I have to be outside pretending to enjoy getting hit by snowballs.

"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009

by Oddibee on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a daughter..

she’s 16 months, walking and talking.. can’t wait to get her out in her first snow storm.

"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales

by cmkelly29 on Dec 7, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My daughter was beside herself

last week when it snowed a bit, catching snowflakes on her tongue and asking me if that meant Santa would come that day. She’s 3, Christmastime is fun this year for sure.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

my favorite time in life was during the winters while living in Chicago...

nothing better than having 3-4 bars within a block…

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a buddy from Milwaukee who has told me

it’s very common in the winter time for drunks to be found in snowbanks who didn’t quite make it home.

I had a buddy in Lubbock who was hammered and tried to walk home 4-5 miles from a bar when it was 12 degrees outside. Cops found him at 5am with one shoe and huge cut on his head (he didn’t know what happened to him) and took him to a hospital. Cops who found him said he was lucky he didn’t die.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Common sense probably kicked his ass...

Man that would be miserable.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

It sucked the first winter...like as in I would cry while waiting for the bus or el.

But I got used to it after that first one…it was still cold, but it’s all about dressing in layers.

Come summertime though, there are few better places in the U.S. (everything considered)

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, I couldn't let the Latin Kings see me cry...

but my snot froze

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If you do the farmer's blow

and it freezes before it hits the ground, go back inside.

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by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

"Come summertime though, there are few better places in the U.S."

So true.

Coldest I’ve ever been in my life was getting off the commuter train in Chicago one January day. Wind hit me like a punch in the face. Just lasered right through every layer of clothes I had on.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 7, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

sleeping in mid July with the windows open

and no A/C – yeah, I could get used to that

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I used to go to Seattle on business at this time of year for

a week and it was awful. 38-44 degrees with varying degrees of mist.

The sun didn’t come up (or it wasn’t light) until 815am and it was dark by 4pm.

I went there in August one time and they told me they had only 11 sunny days that summer.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You people have no idea what cold is

Right now it’s 0 Farenheit here (-13 with wind chill) and it won’t get above 15 until later in the week. Yet, it doesn’t bother me too much (probably since I’m taking a two week cruise in the Caribbean starting Saturday).

To echo cmkelly, big ass snowstorms are great when they shut everything down. Just get an unexpected vacation.

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Dec 7, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

In SoDak you had to remove your auto battery about 30 times a winter or it would freeze and be ruined

Eff that.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

yuck

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

never did that when I was there

But my car door lock did freeze a few times. :(

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Just need an engine block heater and/or more cold cranking amps

I’ve been though incredibly cold winters (negative 60 with wind chill) and I never took out a battery.

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

-60? There's no reason to live there.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it would literally crack and leak out the acid

Trust me, I learned the hard way. They used to have advisories on the news, in the newspaper, etc.

And they closed the flightline there when the wind chill hit -100…I was the last of two people out there of those nights, too cold to explain.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn

What the hell were you doing in SD? Air Force?

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

same question here lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Madison is the furthest North I've been during the winter....I couldn't imagine being where you are.

Used to go the Wind River Mountain Range during the summers when I was a kid.

You around there?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm originally from that area

If you’re talking the Wind Rivers by Thermopolis I was about 30 miles away and 90 miles from Lander. I’m in Cheyenne now.

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Dec 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm looking at jobs around the country

and my one criteria is “If it snows heavily, work will be canceled”. Basically, I refuse to have to shovel my driveway to go to work. I will never do that.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, you contract that stuff

just like you do lawn service around here.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

So if someone in, say, Cleveland really wants me, I just say “include a snow shoveler in my contract and it’s a deal?”

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

A lot of people up north have snowplows they put on the front of their truck, or snowblowers on their lawn tractor or other smallish tractor and they hire themselves out. They’ll come around whenever it snows enough and bill you. You can also get a thingy that turns your car on and warms it up while you wait inside. People up there don’t just freeze and deal with it.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

In this neighborhood I lived in (West Side of Chicago)

people would clear out a parking spot in the street. They would put lawn chairs in the spot when they left for the day…if someone moved the chairs and parked in the spot people would take tire irons to the car.

I didn’t go out too much in that neighborhood, it was in the midst of gentrification and they didn’t like whitey too much.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis

by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

interesting

I obviously know nothing about living up north.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you think lawn services do in the winter?

And I’ve never shoveled my driveway in my life. That’s what four-wheel drive is for and if that doesn’t work then the city’s probably shut down anyhow.

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Dec 7, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what HOAs are for

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 7, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Depending on the town

HOAs aren’t as big a deal up there in some areas. But yeah, in some ’burbs the development might have a contract.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You are the only person I've ever known that was in a hurry to get out of San Diego

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 7, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It's expensive here

I want a house instead of a dinky apartment. Simple enough to understand.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Dec 7, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I get that part obviously

But you have been anti-Sun Diego from the get go.

Never understood that part.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 7, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

James Mason

Agreed. But you have to overpay for a catcher of Soto’s qualities. Okay, he wasn’t great last year but was an AS the year before and is still fairly young.

Don’t need the lefty reliever anymore though, so how about taking back Blevan?

Chris Speier for baseball commissioner! ;-)

by James Mason on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Because

he is really the subject of his rosterbation posts?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 7, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Rosterbation

Heh.

"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

by RCCook on Dec 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Soto's qualities

I wouldn’t trade Smoak straight up for Soto.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade Smoak

for anyone in that deal

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade Smoak

For anybody else
When I think about him
I touch myself

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, three snowflakes land in Houston

and the whole place goes crazy.

"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009

by Oddibee on Dec 7, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Make sure you give a head's up to the Injury Expert

on that trade.

Brian Bruney traded to Washington for PTBNL.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

There isn't a single player in that deal..

who I would trade Smoak for.

"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales

by cmkelly29 on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubs Fan?

Never mind, I think I already know the answer.

"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009

by Oddibee on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome!

Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'

by blalock84 on Dec 7, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Bobby Cox on XM

saying he’d like to get a RH hitter with good defensive skills.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

I am surprised that there

has been few rumors concerning Marlon Byrd.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

i haven't heard much on any of the top players

not that I lump Byrd in that group.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

And JD would like a young TORP

that is controllable for many years and his name rhymes with either manson or sturgeons

by Tony10 on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

This was in the same BP article - surely this package wouldn't get this done, would it?

“I got asked—and don’t remember if it was an e-mail or a comment—whether the Royals should try to trade Zack Greinke. Were this a Strat league in which you had the Royals, I think that would be a solid decision. Greinke is the Adrian Gonzalez of pitchers, with terrific performance, likely to continue, on a fantastic contract. The team around him has no shot to win in 2010 and not much better than that kind of chance in 2011. As great as he was last year, Greinke isn’t likely to be quite that good again, so his value is peaking. This should make him a perfect trade candidate.

In the real world, you can’t trade Zack Greinke. I’m as sanguine about the effects of team decisions on the gate as anyone—if you win, they will come—and I’m telling you that you can’t trade Zack Greinke, not right now. He’s the only good thing about a bad, bad franchise, and the negative effects of trading him would swamp whatever you got in return. I don’t even know if I could entertain the idea, because what if the Rangers dangle Julio Borbon, Michael Main, and Jurickson Profar? Then what do you do?"

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

I'd give

those three guys AND a few handjobs to the mayor of KC for Zack Greinke.

by Flynnyrd on Dec 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Who put that trade package out there? That's way, way too little for Greinke.

That’s the type of package they would get if they were forced to trade Greinke.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Dec 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

My thought as well.

Figure those 3 PLUS Smoak and Holland OR Feliz. Which brings up the question – wouldya?

Not me.

Jack Daddy

by Jack Daddy on Dec 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you would have to also include more in the three mentioned first

Smoak plus Holland/Feliz/Perez plus Borbon plus 2 players probably better than Main and Profar.

Not sure I would want to give up what it would take to get Grienke at this point. TORP starters with 3 years of control at reasonable rates are almost too expensive to trade for.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Dec 7, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

doubtful Greinke goes for that though

at any point – and I’m pretty sure he’s gonna go at some point soon

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

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