Tigers close to trading Edwin Jackson?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST
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PrintThe Tigers are supposedly close to trading Edwin Jackson, and supposedly hope to move Curtis Granderson sometime this week, which prompts Aaron Gleeman to say that that "would basically be the definition of a firesale."
Personally, I disagree. As I've said before, I don't think Jackson is that good, and his contract situation (he's got two years of arbitration raises then can leave as a free agent) means that a smart team is going to try to move him now, while his value is at its highest, and when there's a good chance a team is likely going to give up more than what he's worth to land him.
Granderson is a different story, but he's coming off a disappointing season, and it may simply be that the Tigers feel he's someone whose value has peaked and who, in a market where centerfielders are in great demand, he's worth more to the team as a trade chip than as a 2010 (and going forward) regular.
In any case, I'm hoping the Rangers aren't the team about to get Jackson, and while I'd like to believe the Rangers are in on Granderson, the fact that he's guaranteed large money the next few years means that, given the ownership flux, the Rangers are probably not players there.
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I can't believe Granderson is still only 28.
Seems like he should be older than Byrd.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Seattle is supposedly kicking the tires on
Granderson?
They’d have a line-up with Ichiro, Figgins and Granderson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If they are they are stupid.
They already have a good young CF. Well here’s hoping that they are willing to make a trade like that, it would probably make them a worse team in the long run.
What do voluntary mean?
i lol'd
he does have that whole “overly manicured/trimmed beard” thing going on.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
They could move Granderson to LF
and then have a very good defensive OF.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Getting a CF and moving them to LF
is almost always a stupid move. You pay CF prices for a COF. Usually a bad decision. Is Granderson in LF a better player than someone you can get off of the FA market for the cost of a draft pick? I’m thinking not.
What do voluntary mean?
The FA market has Holiday, Byrd, and Jason Bay.
Holliday is the only one who could outhit Granderson.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Bay is pretty likely to outhit Granderson also
But even if its close is Bay plus what they don’t have to trade for Granderson worth more to the club in the long run then Granderson? Its possible, all depends on what it takes to get him.
I think Granderson is probably more the low to mid 800 ops player as opposed to the high 800-low 900 player he showed.
What do voluntary mean?
Byrd outhit Granderson last season
.345 wOBA to Granderson’s .340 wOBA. Bay has always outhit Granderson with the exception of 2007. Holliday has actually posted a much better wOBA than Granderson throughout their careers. Granderson’s a big name, but he isn’t a great bet to repeat his 2007 and moving him to LF only reduces his value further. So go for it Seattle, trade for Granderson.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'd take Granderson over Bay.
This is a salary dump by Detroit and the cost of prospects shouldn’t be too high.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If this is a salary dump
then the Tigers are in really bad shape.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yes it does.
that is why you don’t pay for an above average CF glove to put into LF.
What do voluntary mean?
Because once he goes into LF...
..he turns into a pumpkin?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Granderson is an above average to plus defensive CF
I’m not arguing against that. His glove won’t worsen when you move him to left, in all likely hood, but it is less valuable there. A great LF is just less of an impact with his glove than a good CF.
You pay extra for Granderson’s CF glove, and then lose most of that premium when you move him over to LF.
What do voluntary mean?
Granderson-Gutierrez-Ichiro could pull in a few line drives in addition to making every flyball an out.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
That's a track team not a baseball line-up
Team record for triples and SBs guaranteed
I still believe!
its actually
still a pretty good baseball lineup.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Granderson
I would pass on him as well. He’s not worth that contract.
Not being able to spend a lot of money this offseason may turn out to be a good thing.
Granderson could play for me.
Is he getting $ 40 million over the next three years?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
About $26 million
And he hit .183/.245/.239 vs. lefthanders last season.
I don’t think we need another guy in the lineup who doesn’t have a clue vs. lefthanders. If we have any money to spend, I would prefer to spend it on a righthanded corner OF or DH who can hit.
by Darrell McKown on Dec 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
James Mason
I wouldn’t mind Granderson.
by brettgardner on Dec 7, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
SIGH
@RaysIndex New report: #Tigers close to deal to send Edwin Jackson (& Granderson) to #Yankees http://tinyurl.com/ylkt2st
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
LOL
Despite the Tribune’s report, Fox Sports said Jackson is more likely be traded to a National League team, most notably the Arizona Diamondbacks or Seattle Mariners.
I still believe!
holy shit
when did the M’s move to the NL?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
When they Re-signed Griffey as their "DH"
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 7, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
vomit
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
just bc they get everyone, it's boring when they get everyone.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
it's fun
when they overpay for someone who, then, doesn’t live up to his contract. It was fun for me seing all the Yankees fans getting frustrated with Carl Pavano.
Jesus too
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
would include melky cabrera
write it down
figure hughes/joba, cabrera, prospects maybe?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
you think they hold on to
brett effing garner, melky cabrera AND granderson?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Not good.
I imagine Cabrera is one of the players going back to Detroit so the Yankee OF would be Granderson, Swisher and… (Damon is gone and so is Matsui) maybe Holliday?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Wasn't there a report that Swisher was on the blocks?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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A source informed Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News that the Tigers’ asking price for outfielder Curtis Granderson is “sky high.”
The Tigers reportedly asked the Yankees for outfield prospect Austin Jackson and pitcher Phil Hughes.
HAHA!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I wouldn't consider Jackson/Hughes for Granderson "sky high"
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I would love to have Granderson on this team...
I would love to have a lot of players on this team.
:(
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
Josey's line for that game
0-0 8 HBPs
I still believe!
by LSU Ranger on Dec 7, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
hahaha
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
The impressive part..
would be that the 8 HBP’s came in 4 AB’s.
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
yep
grandy is a real nice player
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 7, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Really Yanks? You think he's going to have .400 BABIP again next year?
@ed_price #Tigers and #Yankees are in talks on Granderson, but “lukewarm” cause Yanks so far won’tdeal prospect A.Jackson & Det wants CF in return.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Borbon
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Right right
Reading the comment I didn’t realize he was a center fielder. I for some reason thought he was a pitcher. My mistake.
Borbon is better
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Good
Buster Olney says for the Yankees to get Granderson, it will cost Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Sounds about right
if you think Granderson is what he was two years ago. Not so much if you think he is closer to what he was last year.
What do voluntary mean?
When the Tigers put Miguel Cabrera
and Justin Verlander on the block, then I would say that’s a firesale. Not Granderson and Jackson.
Philly Burbs is
reporting that Burrell has been traded to the NY Mets, no other names mentioned.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
x
Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic has heard that the Diamondbacks may be willing to part with Max Scherzer for Tigers right-hander Edwin Jackson.
That we should be getting on the line and seeing if they'll swap him for Tommy Hunter
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 7, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Juicy
The Yankees would receive Granderson from the Tigers and one or two prospects from the Diamondbacks.
• The Diamondbacks would get Jackson from the Tigers and right-hander Ian Kennedy from the Yankees.
• The Tigers would get right-hander Max Scherzer from the Diamondbacks, and center fielder Austin Jackson and left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from the Yankees
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
For the D-Backs that trade would be the equivalent to falling ass-first onto a telephone pole from 60,000 feet
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
that's a steal for the MFY
Granderson for Kennedy, Jackson, and bullpen fodder. I hope not.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
I'm with you, what's funny is this
The proposed deal is being pushed by the D-Backs, but was rejected by at least one of the two other teams, the source says.
Maybe there is something wrong with Scherzer.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Maybe so, cause Scherzer is pretty awesome
But if they really want to deal him I’d be all over it, providing they can prove he’s healthy.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Per Newberg...
The Diamondbacks "would like nothing more than to get their hands on Derek Holland or Neftali Feliz," but that ain’t happening (local report)
So hypothetically, if they offered Scherzer for Holland straight up, would you consider it? Scherzer had a 3.87 FIP last season, a 9.19 K/9 and 3.33 BB/9. He is under team control for 5 years.
by Stephen Rushin on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
No
So hypothetically, if they offered Scherzer for Holland straight up, would you consider it?
No.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
Why the fuck not?
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Well
He’s older than I thought then, but I’d say he’s fairly established as a starter in the NL after this season.
If what tricer says about his shoulder is true though, then that does back me off. I wasn’t aware he had a glass arm reputation.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Scherzer shoulder
is probably less stable than Tanner Scheppers’.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
This
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's going a bit far...
…but I do agree. I love watching Scherzer, but I’d be extremely wary trading either Holland or Feliz for a hugely combustible guy like Scherzer.
Because...
…I don’t think Scherzer is as good as Holland.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I was unfamiliar with Scherzer’s injury history, so I take back the trade suggestion. I would not trade Holland or Feliz for an injury risk.
But, Scherzer is pretty damn good when healthy. I don’t think you can say that Scherzer isn’t “as good as Holland.” He throws every bit as hard, he was a first round pick (#11 overall), he was touted as a future ace, and he has three good pitches. Now, given his injury history, I’d pass on giving up a Holland/Feliz type player for him. But with that said, if Holland posts a 3.87 FIP by age 25 (like Scherzer), I will be very happy.
by Stephen Rushin on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'd deal Holland + to the D'backs in a heartbeat
but I’d need Justin Upton coming back.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Valverde declines arbitration
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Both him and Betancourt off the market on the same day
Guess teams are really wising up about giving away draft picks for RP’s.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
ATL's back of the pen is going to cost alot.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
They have to wait till like June
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Beltre, Gonzalez decline arbitration
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Reading over at LL, Beltre apparently thinks he's going to get a 4/40 contract this winter.
Good luck with that.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
He's worth it though
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely, given his defensive prowess
But considering he’s coming off a terrible offensive season that he missed a good chunk of, I don’t think he gets that over 4 years.
Someone who thinks his power will return if he gets out of Seattle might try and throw money at him over 1 or 2 seasons though.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Rod Barajas has declined the Jays' arbitration offer
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
WOW
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
The hell?
and that’s why they’re the Nationals.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Yeah, I think we can safely say that's the dumbest contract handed out so far this winter.
Hahaha. Thanks Nats.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
This sets the Rangers up for a 2007esque year in the upcoming draft.
Although they’ll have one less supplemental pick and the 16th(?) pick will be a slot-or-lower guy.
I don't know thats so certain
If we get a new owner, especially one who sees what Daniels has built and how hes done it, and is willing to throw money into the draft we could grab BPA at 16 and later. Or we could use our 2nd first rounder on the more sure bet.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Come on.
Unless the BPA happens to be a guy who’ll sign for slot, they’re not going to risk completely losing that pick. If it’s a HS guy or a college soph/junior, they’d have a shitload of leverage coming into negotiations.
Well seeing how many picks we have I think it would be easier to go for a more difficult sign there
Its not like if we don’t sign the 16th pick we don’t have another one until the 2nd or 3rd round. And with our farm system the way it is so loaded I think we could take a chance picking potentially a better player and missing out on signing them because we will still get so much talent with all our comp picks along with our original 1st rounder.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You have this backwards
The more 1st/1st supp picks they have, the less amount of risk they can incur with the comp pick. Whether you like it or not, there is a defined budget for the draft for any organization, and there’s no way with 3 other first rounders that they’d take a guy who could potentially rake them over the coals, thereby jeopardizing the other picks.
As far as taking a chance with your comp pick because you have 3 others, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
by LiamP on Dec 8, 2009 12:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we get a new owner who will invest in the draft is what i said
And if we do already having 3 other 1st round picks I would be perfectly fine going after a Matt Purke type who falls to us at 16 and if we can’t sign him but we sign our other 3 I won’t be too upset. But I don’t want to take a signability guy at 16 only to see a better talent go between 16 and 24. Not when we have 3 other picks so high.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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