LSB Community Prospect Project: Post-Season #5
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 5:55 PM CST
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After garnering 90% of 182 votes, Tanner Scheppers has won the right to be called the LSB Community #4 prospect
The List So Far:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
#2. LHP Martin Perez
#3. 1B Justin Smoak#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers
Time to move on to the vote for #5.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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DiFazio is on twice
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I fixed it
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
This is going to be a blood bath
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Went Gutierrez here
His AFL performance really impressed me. Mains mysterious illness/injury issues that kept him off the field most of last year dropped him in my eyes. Ross, like ive said before, needs to do it in full season ball. Font wasn’t as impressive as i’d expected although he was still really good. And Kiker faded hard down the stretch so my vote went to Gutierrez
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
This might turn into Gutierrez vs Main.
I went Gutierrez. I love that they both work with the Fastball-Curveball combo. I know a ton of people point to Main’s athleticism being off the charts, but shouldn’t some of that be negated by his injury history, especially the recent stuff? Their ceilings seem similar enough, Gutierrez’ fastball seems to be a bit better, but Main may have the better curveball.
To me, it came down to unknown medical condition vs off-field issues. While either can ground a career, give me off-field issues here over a condition that a team of (theoretically) fantastic doctors couldn’t diagnose.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Gutierrez also missed most of last year with injurys.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I put Main over Gutierrez based upon mentality. Gutie just doesn't seem to push himself.
I’m not sure Main’s fastball is the lesser of the two. He gets a lot of swinging/looking strikes with it. I think Gutie’s curveball is superior, though. I’m not advocating Gutie as a nickname, just too lazy to type.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I voted for Main due to the fact that it was illness and not injury that derailed him last year.
However, I cannot imagine Main having a “better” curveball than Gut. Gut’s curve is absolutely wicked, wicked.
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I voted Main
I’ve just liked the guy from the day we drafted him, don’t ask me why. Still think he could turn out.
Man, if Gutierrez turns into a top five prospect, what a steal. Giving up two org fodder guys for a potential young, solid starter? That’s the stuff of dreams.
Main
Tough call, but I am not ready to give up on him or drop him ou tof the top 5.
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Although if I knew it was going to come down to Ross/Gutierrez, I would've voted Ross.
Font at 5 and Ross at 6 are pretty interchangeable to me.
I went with the Gut
(see what I did there?)
But seriously, I don’t know how you really differentiate between all the guys here. Kiker, Ross, Font, Main, and Danny all have good cases. I went with Danny because he seems to be the closest to contributing to the team out of that group
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
The words "plus athleticism" apparently carry more weight than actual results.
Blame his bad luck on mono, SARS, HIV, bubonic plague, avian flu, swine flu, etc.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
It was an unidentified viral infection that settled in his liver.
I believe that was the final diagnosis.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
So I'm sure they gave him medicine to treat...
…oh wait…it’s unidentified. His symptoms got better, that’s it. I’m just afraid of the Rocco Baldelli of pitchers option.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Read this
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
I've read it before.
Here’s where I’m basing my point off of:
They never really found out what it was. They said it was just kind of an unidentified viral infection of my liver. What they were thinking was–just based upon the results and the signs that I showed–that I’d probably had this sometime probably close to January. That’s what the doctors were thinking. They were thinking it was probably affecting me this whole season.
He feels better now, but they never actually identified and treated what it was. It could be any number of recurring type problems: genetic, metabolic, latent viral, autoimmune, etc. It’s great that he’s feeling better now, but I would have felt better if it were a specific problem that he either had to have surgery for or get some other known type of treatment. There’s no comparison for this.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
It's probably
lupus
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Dec 8, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was kidding.
Although it would make it more interesting if he did have gout.
I love that there's a medical condition called...
Tophus
Dare you to image search it!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Because with prospects potential counts as much as production at the low levels.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I have a hard time understanding...
…how Main’s potential, at this point, is so much greater than Ross’s.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
People keep saying what a great athlete he is..
but, to me at least, I could care less if my pitcher is an elite athlete as long as he throws quality pitches for quality strikes.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
That's a pretty subjective thing to figure out.
For me, reports about his aptitude and athleticism seem to be filled with higher than for any other pitcher. He might be beaten out by Perez in aptitude, but no one appears to be a better athlete. I think the combination gives him a higher potential to be in control of his body, ultimately allowing him to control better his pitches, and to have a really good idea of what he wants to do with his pitches.
Not saying Robbie Ross is a chump. Not at all. Just want to see him against a little stiffer competition and see how he adjusts. I might put Ross ahead of Gutierrez as I think through this the next few voting rounds.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
The Baseball prospect lists are filled
with athletes that can’t adapt and never grow into what their tools suggest. “athleticism” can be thrown around all you want, but give me the better pitcher with great K rates and the best GB/FB ratio in professional baseball among starters. Hitters just don’t hit the ball in the air off Ross. That is more valuable than being an athlete, especially when involved with pitching. Plus saying Main can control his body more because he is a better athlete doesn’t make sense, especially when you consider Main’s injury history. It’s about the repetition of your delivery, and letting that take over.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think you're drawing the wrong conclusions from things that I agree with.
The Baseball prospect lists are filled with athletes that can’t adapt…
Yep. But, if you can tell me which prospects are unable to do avoid that, you can make a lot of money. This problem is the fun inherent in prospect lists, and the reason some GMs are better than others. They either manage this risk better or have some ability to identify prospects at higher risk for not developing. It’s not much of an argument against ranking Main over Ross. According to many interviews with Rangers minor league coaches, Main shows the ability to adapt. His aptitude is ranked among the highest of all the Rangers’ prospects.
…give me a better pitcher with great K rates and the best GB/FB raio in professional baseball among starters.
Yep. Ross had a lights out year. But, it was compiled against inferior competition. I will put more stock in this performance at higher levels. Remember Main at just 6 months older than Ross was competing at two levels higher.
…saying Main can control his body more because he is a better athlete doesn’t make sense, especially when you consider Main’s injury history.
Main’s injuries have had no impact on parts of his body fundamental to his delivery. The injuries are also not an indication of a body that is prone to breaking but have been very fluky.
It’s about the repetition of your delivery….
Yep. But, every talent evaluator uses athleticism as an indicator of a pitching prospect’s ability to repeat his delivery. In addition, Rangers minor league coaches have already spoken in many interviews about Main’s ability to alter his delivery and transfer it into game situations.
Someone might be able to convince me that Ross should be ahead of Main, but nothing in your post would do that.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Fluke or not
The guy hasn’t been able to pitch a full season. He drops in my rankings because of this.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Gutz for me
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Thanks for adding my boy Vinny...
I went with Gutierrez…after watching him during AFL that guy is a legit 2 pitch guy…hopefully #3 can show enough promise for him to stick in the roto.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions
After thinking about it some since yesterday
I’m going with Font. I thought about Gutierrez, but Font could be a Feliz clone if things break right.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
I am on the Robbie Ross bandwagon
even if you discount the small sample in the Northwest League, there’s just too many questions about the others.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Who voted Jurickson?
And is it a hose, or a ballsy move I kinda wish I would have made?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Profar and Telis
to me, they are the bottom of the top 10. Really, really excited about the possibilities.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I'm most intrigued by David Perez. Coles interview of Jayce indicated Perez already has taken initiative
to adjust his pitching, and he’ll likely have more velocity over the next few years.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
After seeing a pic of him he does have a ton of projection
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
I wanted to be a homer and vote Main, but just couldn't do it in a more analytical moment.
It was between Font, Main, and Gutierrez. MaxRam should be on this list as well.
I went with Font. Younger. Evil fastball. Showed the maturity to work on flaws and showed some ability to reduce them.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
I went with Font also
After giving it some thought, I decided he is the one I’d least like to see in the Angels system.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
For me, it's just the opposite
Font seems to have a lot of variables that have to be satisfied for him to start hurting other teams
really only one hurdle for him to clear to become a valuable ML assset
Command of the FB. I’ve heard whispers of it being an 80 pitch.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Has he fully overcome his maturity problems?
There is plenty of time for injury, control of all pitches, command of fastball, developing a 2nd pitch
I think all the pitchers in this group have significant questions
so I’ll take the guy with the 80 fastball.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
I'd like to see Wilmer come out next year with a purpose, a mean streak
He could establish himself as our no doubt #4 prospect come mid-season next year, assuming Neftali won’t qualify any longer, and possibly jump Scheppers to #3
JC said that his maturity really grew his year, so yes.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Also
Danny Clark said this:
His changeup became a plus pitch for him going into the second half of the season. I thought that was something that really helped him offset–obviously everybody is geared up for his velocity, and with his changeup, it really gave him an offset. His curveball still struggles at times with being consistent. But I think Wilmer’s
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
darn
biggest asset to me was just maturity off the field and just being mature as a person.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
I thought about MaxRam for a second...
…then noticed he wasn’t there. Right now, he’s going to fall into the 7-9 category for me. Definitely after Font, probably after Main and Ross, ahead of Kiker, Moreland, Profar.
Man…just thinking about the top 10 Rangers prospects washes away all of the bad/hazy memories of the “The Ownership Chronicles: Hicks Strikes Back” by AJM.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2009 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah..
Max was but I put on DiFazio twice instead of Max by accident.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Main of all guys has overtaken Ross here.
Interesting.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Went with Ross
His incredible GB/FB rate put him over the top for me as the fifth prospect
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Michael Main here
I like his upside still. If at this time next year he is still plagued by injuries then its a different story.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Main is only 6 months older than Ross.
If, God forbid, Main has another freak injury year, he would be on schedule to hit the majors at about the same calendar age as Ross. Both would be in line for a look in the majors by age 23. I think Main is a couple of years away from a make or break year.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
And Ross hasn't pitched in full season ball yet while Main has the last two years
Although injury shortened
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah. I think of Main as 1.5 levels ahead of Ross.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Im not saying make or break,
but it should change his top 5 status for sure. I could see him sliding to 8-10 next year with a bad season rooster.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Seems fairly likely Ross, Main and Font are going to be the next three in some order.
Perhaps Gutirrez in there for a next four.
Of course that doesn’t always work out that way.
Personally I feel like my order is Font > Ross > Main > Gutirrez, btw.
I’m still extremely open to suggestion, though.
You don't think Moreland
should make the top 10? He is probably the best position player in the organization right now besides Smoak.
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I like Moreland
But even for me I think he’s just outside the top 10. His lack of an actual position and all the conflicting opinions on his swing do concern me somewhat.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 8, 2009 1:37 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get the Main love this high
but then I’m a results man, myself, and I voted for Mitch Moreland. That will probably be followed by votes for Font, then Ross, then Gut, then Main.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
crap, and Kiker's in there too
why do I always forget about him…that probably says something in and of itself.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Beavan is on the list twice
The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin
Yep. And it screwed him
It split his votes! He would have been much closer if you combined them so he had… 3 votes. Errr. Never mind.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 8, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
This is the closest I've ever seen it. Top 3 within 6 votes.
My votes so far:
- Felix
- Perez
- Smoak
- Scheppers
- Main
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 8, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions
Feliz, Smoak, Scheppers, Perez, Font for me
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
You sir, are not a sheep
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Dissenting vote
1. Feliz
2. Perez
3. Smoak
4. Scheppers
5. Gutierrez
I’m probably not going Main next either.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
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