Marlon Byrd declines arbitration, Pudge Rodriguez signs with Washington
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:19 PM CST
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Marlon Byrd and Pudge Rodriguez both decline arbitration, per T.R. Sullivan.
That was expected.
Not expected, though, is the report from Yahoo's Tim Brown that the Washington Nationals have signed Pudge Rodriguez to a 2 year, $6 million deal.
If true, that's baffling. Pudge was a nice insurance policy for the Rangers, if he had accepted arbitration, although I suspect the Rangers weren't interesting in paying him more than $1.5-2 million for one season. He's a decent to solid backup catcher, but not really starting quality anymore.
But the Nats are guaranteeing him $3 million per year for 2 years. I don't get it. I guess they figure he's going to mentor their young pitching staff.
The Rangers will get a supplemental first rounder as a result of Pudge signing elsewhere.
With Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Max Ramirez dealing with injuries last season, and Taylor Teagarden being awful at the plate in 2009, the Rangers are probably going to be on the lookout for a potential alternative behind the plate on a non-roster invite.
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Somebody needs to remind them Pudge is only gonna sell tickets in Texas.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Is Pudge really going to sell tickets in Washington?
I find that hard to believe.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Well
Then you should be relieved Pudge is out of the picture as a potential “fix”.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Pudge
He’s a decent backup. He’s not great, but there are worse options out there than him.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
We don't need a backup catcher though
We already have two or three.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Well
It isn’t as if the Rangers are going to go out and get a starting catcher.
If Salty isn’t ready right now to start spring training, we’re going to go into the season with Teagarden and Richardson catching.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
It would suck if we were contending this year
Oh…wait. We are supposed to be
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather do that than have Pudge around stealing playing time and getting everyone jacked up about the good old days.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Really now
You mean when we he had a team that wins consistently? Definitely don’t want to remind anyone of that
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
You act like Pudge is any better than Teagarden
He’s not. I don’t want to have to go through an entire season of people assuming the opposite just because they remember Pudge’s glory days.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Sure as heck looked like he was last year
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
he really wasn't
Pudge is done offensively.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
60 218 198 26 43 13 0 6 24 0 0 14 76 .217 .270 .374 .644
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Is that Teagarden?
Hell the OBP was better then Pudge and Teagarden never got real playing time.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Uh no sir
.245 .279 .388 .667
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
wOBA's
Pudge .287
Tea .281
That’s what we call an insignificant advantage in suck.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Question
Is it possible that Teagarden would be more likely to get his bat back above replacement level if he were playing 5-6 days a week in AAA next season, rather than once a week in the majors?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Teagarden's season was torpedoed quite a bit
by June & July when he took a Davis-esque 8 for 57. The Rangers had something like 55 games in that span and Teagarden played in only 15 games.
The rest of the year he was very acceptable with good defense but he can’t do it playing once a week.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
That was an 8 for 57 with one walk.
In April, May, August, September he hit .248 with a .312 OBP.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
In April and May he had a 649 OPS
In August and September he had a 712 OPS, but you can’t count that, because some of that was garbage time, and I think he had 3 or 4 infield hits.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
What the fuck, Adam?
If some dipshit stat nerd for MLB doesn’t count the 157 foot ball Davis hit v LAAA as an infield hit (when Aybar overran it) and instead ruled it as a “gapper that went for a double” even though Davis swung the bat like a faggot with a flyswatter, that’s a flaw in the system for keeping track of what’s really an infield hit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Okay, I laughed at this post.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 8, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
90 feet
the baselines are 90 feet. if the ball goes farther than that, its considered to have left the infield and is no longer an infield hit.
Not true.
Davis hit a 157 footer with crazy ass spin on it that Aybar misplayed and it went for a double although it was technically an infield hit (at least according to the greatness of baseballreference.com).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If we had a decent back-up last year
Teagarden shoulda been sent to AAA with Davis
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Do I think Teagarden would improve if we went down and split time with Max in OKC?
No.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
That is, not any more than he's going to improve facing MLB pitching every day.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
I'm not a Teagarden fan
But that seems like a pretty asinine thing to say.
Are you lamenting him not being traded for Bard or Bowden last winter or something Because IIRC, Tea was the catcher most folks on LSB DIDN’T want to trade last year.
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"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
You could
trade em both and trot Jim Sundberg’s ancient ass out there and still get better production.
How much longer does Max
get before he’s called a bust?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
He needs to show something this year
but it’d be pretty foolish to write off a guy after an injury plagued season.
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Yea I like this stat even better
76K / 14BB
Pudge was at least 18K / 5BB
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Dec 7, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
So Pudge has a .20 k/bb ratio to Teagarden's .18
You’re actually going to ague that that even matters?
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Thats an insignificant advantage?
Weren’t you arguing the other day how significant an upgrade Luke Scott is over David Murphy?
wOBAs overall/ vs RHP in 2009
Murphy: .339/ ..359
Scott: .355/ ..358
So given how they would be used there really isn’t an upgrade huh? Or at least it isn’t as significant as you thought
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Scott's 16 point advantage in wOBA over Murphy this season
Is a lot more significant than a 6-point advantage in sub-.300 wOBA’s.
Both Teagarden and Pudge where astronomically bad in 2009 and the difference between them is extremely negligable. The difference between Murphy and Scott this season was that of a league average player and a slightly above league average player. I knew somebody would try and shove the Scott thing back in my face here, but there really isn’t even a comparison.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
You miss the point again
Murphy would be used primarily as the DH against RHP in 2010 which there was no difference between Scott and Murphy against RHP in 2009.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No
I’m just not using bigsteve math™. I going by their actual overall production.
You can’t snip it down to their RHP splits and say because they had similar lines against them in 2009 that means they would be equal in value in 2010. That’s incredibly dumb.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
How is that using my math?
I took both their splits vs RHP and calculated their wOBA. They are almost identical. Yet somehow you believe bringing in Scott and the extra 3.5 million in salary is a significant upgrade over Murphy who should only be playing against RHP.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Stealing playing time from whom?
Kevin Richardson?
Taylor Teagarden, who probably is not any better than Pudge right now?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Salty was really bad last year when healthy and he got
the vast majority of playing time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
If Teagarden and Pudge are pretty equal now
why would you give the playing time to a guy who is only going to get worse?
I'm not advocating playing Pudge instead of Teagarden
I’m pointing out that, for a team that is supposedly going to contend in 2010 and that has questions about whether its starting catcher is going to be ready, having Pudge here “stealing playing time” from Teagarden wouldn’t have been the tragedy some suggest.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Pudge not being here makes it more likely that Max gets a shot
And even if he makes zero headway on what he did with the bat this year, Tea’s still almost as productive as Pudge offensively, and he’s also the better defender too.
I don’t know why anyone would’ve considered giving up a draft pick to have a 39 y/o catcher who isn’t better than anyone we currently have on the roster on this team a boon.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
You really think they're going to give Max an oppo to catch at the big league level?
Guy hasn’t done shit above AA and 29 teams (excluding the Marlins) think he is a 1b/dh type.
I like MaxRam but tap the breaks a little.
Also, you’re saying you’d rather have Kevin Richardson backing up TT than Pudge backing up TT? I really couldn’t follow the thread too well.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
no production vs. little production
from your backup catcher. Not really important when the “no production backup” is going to cost you very little and the “little production backup” gets paid $3M
Concurrage.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
After translate
RT @enrore The Philadelphia Phillies could take a look at free agent Joaquin Benoit, who did not throw a single batter in 2009.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
This hit?
RT @enrore The Philadelphia Phillies could take a look at free agent Joaquin Benoit, who did not throw a single batter in 2009.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Shit
He’s my favorite NRI candidate dammit!
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Throw a batter?
Must be something the National League has, like the double switch; heck I might have to watch more NL games just to see if they bring in a Batter Throwing Specialist
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
great news
that trade ended up working out just fine. I didn’t like giving up Vallejo, but with a supp 1st as a result, it turned out nicely (although unexpected).
Vallejo sucks. Navarez is alright but we have more of guys like him.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
for 2 months of pudge
giving up Vallejo seemed like a tad much (albeit Vallejo probably won’t amount to anything)
but now if we can turn pudge into another possible
Hunter, Borbon or Scheppers addition, it is well worth it
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Two months of a backup catcher
for two guys who probably become nothing. Sounds like the right costs to me.
What do voluntary mean?
and a draft pick
now that the Nationals have committed their act of supreme foolishness.
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True, Its a huge suprise and pretty much makes it a big win for us
With our history over the last few years with these types of picks, I give JD another feather in his cap on this deal.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Thanks, Nats!
Now the Rangers don’t overpay for Pudge, and they get a draft pick!
I’m sure JD will find a vet who can play just as well for a much cheaper price.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
Barajas???
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
and the Rangers won't get the chance to DH him
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
way to go NATS!
are we nearly guaranteed of having 4 1st rounders next year? that is awesome
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
We could still sign a type A but...
Yeah.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 7, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
most of the type A people we are linked to
like Dye, Oliver etc weren’t offered arbitration. pretty much only the top guys, who are out of our price range were offered arb. Let’s say we do sign someone, I didn’t expect to get a pick for Pudge. That will offset the loss somewhat.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yay! :)
The “Sports Director at the CBS Affiliate in Fayetteville/Ft. Smith, Arkansas” is now following me on Twitter.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Kevin Richardson
You know, the guys does have a career OPS of 1.000…. and a career batting avg of .500
"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009
Yep. I think this thread is an apprpriate thread to bring her back too
And I don’t apologize for the sizing
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Very nice piece.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
She looked outstanding on television and that pic
doesn’t do her justice (and she still looks pretty good).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You're not fooling anybody, Mike E.
That’s major league material right there.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 8, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Is her penis not big enough for you?
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Dec 8, 2009 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't apologize BS...
I wish she had an elf hat on though.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
haha...better!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
Heh
@zvsanders RT @samtpage: Pudge is a fine addition to the Expos. He can mentor young Livan Hernandez, coming up from their farm system.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I think its a joke
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
cause Livan Hernandez is not young
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
maybe in 1997
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
...Or they could just put Chad Tracy back at catcher
because he’s going to be middle of the order bat for us next year anyway.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Angels are considering Matsui
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
So
An outfield of Rivera, Hunter and Abreu, with Matsui DHing?
Fine with me.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ya
sad as it is, that just makes their outfield even older.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
I really want to cry
It seems that everyday that passes we get worse news. Why the fuck can’t this team be sold by tomorrow so the Rangers could possibly make a serious bid for someone who can help.
We’re going to need epic years from our young players to do good next year.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Are you saying not spending 3 mil per year for 2 years on Pudge and also gaining a draft pick is bad news?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why do you assume I was referring to Pudge?
I’m not. I’m referring to the Club’s status in general. Which is pretty much stick to the status quo.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
I assumed you were referring to Pudge
because that is the current discussion
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm not going to post my whininess (sp?)
in another thread where no one will read it.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
Uh
That’s what different threads are for. Just because a thread isn’t at the top of the page anymore doesn’t mean people have stopped reading it.
That’s why theres the little thing that comes up and says “1 new comment”.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
jeez
you’re getting more cranky than Brett Gardner
did somebody pee in your cheerios or is this the way it always is and I haven’t noticed it until now?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions
Well, considering all the shit I've taken around here so far this winter
I suppose there’s more than an outside chance I’m getting a little pissy myself.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Here's why you take so much shit
You spend so much time, and so many posts trying to look smart you end up looking dumb. You are pretty smart, but you try way too hard to have a detailed take on every major, minor, and worthless topic that comes up here.
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by t ball on Dec 8, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This.
If you have some insight, offer it.
Otherwise, let the community breathe and voice theirs.
That’s what makes LSB so great.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 8, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
just relax
take deep breaths and enjoy life.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
does Pudge leaving really make that much of a difference??
I think you can get comparable production form a number of FA catchers for next season
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I keep thinking the Angels are going to make
some kind of big splash here pretty soon.
They’re a large market team with an owner who is passionate about winning / fan friendly and they have a lot of money coming off the books this year.
With the Dodgers about to be dragged into divorce court, this is the time to grab the high-road in SoCal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Yeah, the Angels aren't gong anywhere next year
With all that money, I assume they’ll get one of the bigger FAs, and possibly trade for someone significant. We aren’t going to be given anything in this division. We have to take it.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Huh.
Well, I didn’t see that coming. Pudge must have realized taht the Rangers didn’t have the money he wanted.
Go Rice Owls!
So if Pudge "settled" for a two-year deal
did he originally ask the Nats for a three year deal?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
The Nats spiked an offer for a 38 year old catcher to make sure they got him.
More power to them. I wouldn’t have wanted us to give him that deal.
What do voluntary mean?
This is outstanding news
just finishing the year with pudge was worth trading away vallejo. i had been a big fan of him as a prospect but he really struggled in the upper leagues last year and had no place in our organization anyway. To think we’re getting a first round pick on top of everything is just gravy. Our catching situation isnt going to be as bad as people think. Teagarden will improve. although its yet to be seen if he’s going to end up a starter ill take my chances when you put him with the salty potentially being ok a non roster inviti and max coming up. If we’re subpar defensively some games so what, and if worst comes to worst, we have the prospects to make another deal
That's fine
The Nats can take Pudge, and I’ll take Josh Bard on an NRI and let him backup with Salty while Teagarden gets regular ABs in the minors.
And why are people on this thread still referring to Max Ram as a C? It seems to me that that ship has sailed. If he makes it to the ML, its going to be as a DH and emergency catcher, nothing more.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Exactly where has it been said the ship has sailed on Max being a catcher?
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by me, just now, and potentially erroneously
but I am not exactly holding out a lot of hope. He desperately needs a bounce back year both on the plate and in the field to show last year was an injury tainted anomaly.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I think there's room for hope
Having a gimp wrist is about as a good a reason as you can have for struggling at the plate. He did nothing but rake for 5 years before that.
And LSB seems to be the only place I read where he has been “written off” as catcher.
I also think the whole “he’s never hit above AA” barb that is so trendy around here, while technically true, doesn’t really paint an accurate picture. He’s had exactly 37 healthy ABs in AAA. In 2008, at age 23, he was OPSing nearly 1100 at Frisco when he was promoted to OKC. Was PCL pitching really that much better than what he faced at Frisco, or could it be sample size?
The best thing Max does is get on base. Isn’t that we are in dire need of? The bloom is definitely off the rose, but I don’t see how he can be written off like so many have done here.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
I"m not writing him off, I just don't think he's ready to play in the big leagues as some have suggested.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
I wasn't referring to you specifically
Just what I read a lot around here.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
why cant he
be a back up catcher. As far as dh thats not really a position. i havent heard anything lately suggesting he’s fallen further off as a catcher. its fine letting him be the 3rd catcher in line coming into spring training. I dont see him hurting the team too much catching 30 or so games this year. the few times he played in the majors he looked fine behind the plate. if anything his bat and injury are what held him back last year
are you talking about Max Ramirez?
He hasn’t been playing much catcher lately. Perhaps thats just because he’s been injured and they simply want him to get ABs. At one point we heard he was making strides behind the plate, so it is probably too early to completely write him off…I am very anxious to see how he looks this spring, both at the plate and on the field.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Well yeah
But considering Salty’s arm is falling off and Teagarden looks like more of a backup long-term, I see no reason to give up on Max at catcher until the organization does.
He might be our last hope for a homegrown starter until Tomas Telis.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Max is
ok in my book if only for the Munsonlike plate blocking he did to Mathis awhile back.
by Flynnyrd on Dec 8, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Forgot about that play...greatness.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
didnt mean
to type the sentence “as far as dh thats not really a position” disregard that
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What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
im new to commenting
but as far as the site goes its been my homepage for a few years now
a lsit of FA catchers from MLBTR
Jose Molina? Ausmus? Barrett? Redmond? Popup?
Eliezer Alfonzo (31)
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34) – Type B, offered arb
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33)
Ramon Castro (34)
Robinzon Diaz (26)
Toby Hall (34)
Jason Kendall (36) – Type B, not offered arb
Bengie Molina (35) – Type A, not offered arb
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) – Type B, not offered arb
Mike Redmond (39)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) – Type B, not offered arb
Matt Treanor (34)
Javier Valentin (34)
|Space for Rent|
Brad Ausmus is a corpse.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
And Jose Molina is TERRIBLE.
.269 career wOBA. CAREER.
Guys like that shouldn’t be allowed to accumulate over 1500 major league plate appearances.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
Catcher is primarily a defensive position.
You put way too much weight on the hitting aspect of catching, especially with young catchers.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 8, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Barrett
whatever happened to that guy
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
I want this to happen so much.
If the Rangers only make one big signing in the next 5 years this is the one I want it to be.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Look who we signed the last time we got a new owner...
never say never.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
I'm saying never
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 8, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet there's more of a chance than not that we at least try
which is most of the battle around here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
That list really gets the blood flowing
wow
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 8, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Miserable state of our catchers
remember when we had 3 of the top rated, most highly sought after catchers, plus Laird?
jeez.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
I still think it's incredibly funny how laird can so easily be lard
which makes so much sense.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
OT - The Ticket and Sports Day sign a content deal
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/120809dnspoticket.331b4584a.html
This is good news I think. It means EG will be on The Ticket quite a bit during baseball season.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Will they spend the whole segment making fun of him for his shirts?
What do voluntary mean?
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