Bob Nightengale on how older free agents are being passed over
Includes a quote from Jon Daniels on what the Rangers' studies have found in regards to aging.
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So these studies were where
when this team signed The Sosa & Lofton?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
that's the thing
at some point, the price drops to the point that these guys become a bargain. This team doesn’t get to chase the Bays and Lackeys of the world. We chase two types of undervalued players, old and coming off an injury, and I think that will hold true again this year when we trade Millwood and sign Sheets and Dye with the savings.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Both those guys were ok with one year deals
The article makes it sound to me like alot of these older guys want multi year deals and act like its an insult when they only get offered a one year deal.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Sosa and Lofton were one year deals for smallish money
Not really what is being discussed in that article.
What do voluntary mean?
Please get out of the way of Josey's agenda.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
Signing ancient players like that is a waste of time
if the goal was to make that specific team better in 2007.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
lofton played well here
.303/.380/.438.
and gagne put up pretty good numbers until right at the very end. both players definitely helped the team
And that team broke the gate 23-42.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
wow, that made no sense given what you're arguing
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
Old players don't help teams in situations like
the 2007 Rangers were don’t help those teams improve. Not only do they not help those teams improve, they’re very expensive band-aids that teams with payrolls below the Oakland A’s can’t afford.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Those two players played very well
so using the team’s record does nothing, nothing at all to make your point.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
just imagine
how crappy they would have been without two of those three vets
what the hell was wrong with Lofton?
if nothing else, the trade return was great for such a signing
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I've missed all those contributions Max
made to the big league club after he was acquired.
His biggest accomplishment to date is helping give the minor league system depth but he’s 25 years old now and hasn’t done a thing in The Show.
When he contributes meaningfully in The Show, we can give JD credit for a good trade but to this point it was a waste of $ 6 million by a team on a small market payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
so we picked up loftons full salary
after the trade?
even if he never contributes at all
the fact that we signed a need (CF) to play half a year and then ship off for a highly touted prospect was pretty freakin’ savvy. But who are you to give credit where credit is due?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, God, not this again.
Every day you find the time to repeat your most idiotic assumptions and reveal your shortsightedness anew.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I wonder how much
LaTroy Hawkins wants. We are clearly sniffing around on a few late inning guys, and Hawkins has been filthy lately.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
That's so sad.
Definitely tugged on my heart-strings. Poor Johnny Damon. No one wants him :(
Go Rice Owls!
Im sure his phone would be ringing off the wall if he was ok with a 1 year deal
Even at 12-13 mil
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I somehow doubt that
He had a great start last year in a park that was playing exceptionally homer friendly. He pretty much is a COF with decent OBP and minimal power. I bet he wouldn’t have a problem with a one year deal more in the 8 million dollar range to play a poor left field for someone, really the only place he can play now.
What do voluntary mean?
Yeah, think the article was biased?
There’s tons of raw data that various GM’s are presenting to suggest that signing older players to multi-year contracts is a bad idea…but Scott Boras and a few players disagree, so we’ll side with the players.
To be fair, I think that veterans like Vizquel can help rookies like Andrus, or MY with Kinsler. I just don’t think it should factor very heavily into your decisions, especially with regards to money and years in a contract.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
why would you believe what an agent says over, basically anyone else. Agents lie for their business. Multiyear huge deals for people past about 33 or 34 are likely to be very bad ideas.
I don’t get the problem with Burrell vs Abreu. It makes perfect sense to me to give the younger of two pretty equivalent players the better contract, as he is less likely to just fall off the face of the planet. Obviously it was a bad bet by the Rays last year, but I suspect they would do the same thing again given a similar situation.
What do voluntary mean?
It's interesting how many older players for the Yankees perform very well
It could be 1) the Yankees can afford to the take the risk on older players that other teams cannot. They either hit on a player or unload them. Or 2) there is some strange, pharmaceutical reason why all the older Yankee keep performing.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
a big part of the reason
that so many of their left handed offensive players saw their numbers jump last year was bc of their new ballpark.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I was thinking the same thing.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
His power hit his highest career level
What happened is he came close to tripling his power output at home while several of his peripherals dropped a little bit.
What do voluntary mean?
Is Boras forgetting,
when he makes his collusion accusations, that Tex got 180 mil and Sabathia got 161 mil? He’s so arrogant he assumes if he’s not making more and more money every year, someone must be breaking the law. It’s like Mark Buehrle thinking the Rangers must be stealing his signs because they were hitting him.
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