Yankees/D-Backs/Tigers three way deal reportedly done
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2009 1:24 PM CST
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PrintThe Yankees, Diamondbacks and Tigers have supposedly agreed on a three-way deal that results in Curtis Granderson going to the Yankees.
Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy are heading to the D-Backs, and Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Phil Coke, and Austin Jackson go to the Tigers.
I see this as a very solid deal for the Tigers. I'm underwhelmed by the D-Backs return, Yankees did okay.
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I don't think his offense even needs to rebound for this to be worth it
a) 30 home runs should translate into more production in their lineup even if he performs offensively the same
b) the improvement in CF, alone, makes their team significantly better, imo
c) His salary is a joke, just for value’s sake
Jeez
The Tigers seem to have cleaned up.
Not mediocre. Right about average
a lot depends
on Scherzer’s health and Austin Jackson’s projection. Those are two fairly big ?s.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Jackson doesn't have much/any projection
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
The only reason I ask...
is because this is the second thread where you so quick to declare this a “Yankees win”..
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
OK
I understand why the Yankees wanted Granderson. I also see what the Tiggers are doing. But why is AZ giving up twio young pitchers for and expensive pitcher and an unproven SP?
Good deal for the Tigers, OK for the Yankees, don’t know for AZ.
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A staff with Haren, Webb, and Scherzer is better.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 8, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What he said
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Yep, if he's healthy anyway
but I think they should have gotten something better than Kennedy as the other piece.
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agreed, Scherzer is probably one of the best underrated young pitchers out there
while the Tiger’s fans may think this was a bad deal, If Scherzer stays healthy and AJax plays up to one tenth of his Yankee hype, they’ll end up well off in this deal.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
The Yankees did great
even if he can’t hit LHP
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
He should be pretty awesome
in that ballpark. I guess this makes it more likely that Damon is not brought back? I guess Matsui is probably gone too.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
They still need at LF
even though Damon can’t field
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
This deal is a little upsetting
mostly due to the fact that the d-backs got raped and it wasn’t the Rangers banging them from behind
My only explanation
is Scherzers arm is being held on by bailing wire and the AZ GM is on the phone right now with the Detroit doc begging him to sign off on this deal
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yankees are doing it right.
Their window is open right now and they replace Damon/Matsui with a 28 year old Granderson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
They also have this little thing we like to call money
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Its easy to be smart when you don't have to worry about a budget
Or if you have a 10 million dollar player thats underperforming you can just sit him and go with another 10 million dollar player.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Their deals are very smart when viewed objectively.
This one included. And I’m wondering which $10 million player you’re talking about.
Pavano mainly
And theres no doubt this deal is smart
Very few teams have a CF who Granderson wouldn’t be an upgrade over but very few of those teams don’t have to even look at his salary when considering whether to pursue him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Pavano is an old mistake by now.
If people don’t want to hold the Eaton-type of mistakes by JD against him, then Pavano is definitely not a point of argument. Pavano signed that contract five years ago.
Its the fact that that contract didn't even make them blink
The Rangers got burned similarly by CHP and now we have to think twice before handing out money to pitchers especially.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The Yankees recognize the window is open to win several championships
and are using their minor league system very efficiently. When one of their vets get too old they cut ’em loose and then go get somebody like Granderson (who is 28 years old and tethered long-term to the Yanks) as a replacement.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
They have an old core of superstars
that is now being supplemented by the next wave of younger players like CC, Tex, Burnett and Granderson.
That’s how you do it correctly.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
How much did all those 4 guys cost?
Without looking it up im gonna guess 70-75 mil a year for the next 3 years at least.
For four players on a 25 man roster.
they are the only team (Boston and the mets perhaps) that could even begin to think about doing that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yep
the real problem with the Yankees is not the Yankees themselves, but the stupid morons around the league that believe all the hype when ESPN and other baseball media (even BA and BP) hype up Yankees prospects to insane levels.
Can’t blame the Yankees for taking advantage of the league overvaluing their mediocre prospects like Ian Kennedy.
Go Rice Owls!
The Rangers FO and a lot of the fans in here have an anti-Yankee
mentality because they worry much more about the minor league system than the major league team.
The reason free agents don’t wanna come here and that players like Tex can’t wait to get the fuck out is because this is a team stuck on the perpetual treadmill of mediocrity.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Tex knew he was going to get paid
but he also knew the owner didn’t give a shit about winning.
You can’t blame a HOF player in his prime for wanting out of a hopeless situation like the Texas Rangers were in 2007.
It’s 2.5 years since that trade and the situation here is much worse.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
It's about getting paid.
We couldn’t have paid Teixeira for his free agency years. He would have left, even if we won 95 games.
situation here is much worse?
wtf? from an ownership/getting paid persective, sure. from a winning games perspective, not even a little
The complete half-assness of this franchise
is a fucking embarrassment for everybody concerned.
Players, coaches, management, marketing are all a part of one of the biggest jokes in MLB.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You're one of the few that thinks that.
Especially one of the few involved with actual baseball decisions. We have a very respected front office, including the scouting and player development staffs. Only ownership is really seen as a joke right now.
Which franchise are you talking about?
I think you’re actually following a different team than anyone else here. The owner sucks, the rest of the org isn’t bad.
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The notion that the Rangers are in a worse place than they were in 2006/2007 is beyond asinine.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Yankees doing it right?
pretty easy with a 200M payroll
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
@Evan_P_Grant Nolan Ryan acknowledges partnership with Greenberg says Hicks woud be part of group, but as minority owner. Read; no real power.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
If true
I’m rooting for Dennis Gilbert.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
You're rooting for Gilbert just because you think he'll jettison your nemesis
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Im confused
Wasn’t Hicks trying to join Gilberst group like a week ago?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'm with you
this is getting really confusing. just choose a winner and let’s leave Hicks out of it.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
If Hicks is still a part of this with Nolan involved
it will be “business as usual” and the philosophy in running the number 5 media market team like they’re the Kansas City Royals won’t change.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
So then Nolan is part of the problem too?
Gotcha.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Josey
you get very irrational about things sometimes……………..
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
I think it's pretty obvious what's going on.
Hicks is going to try to attach himself to whichever group wins. Whether it be him, Gilbert, or Greenberg he is trying his damndest to stay involved. I really hate the guy and want his ass gone, but at this point if he has no decision making power and is just an investor I wouldn’t be that upset. It looks like no matter who wins Hicks is going to stay involved. I still want Greenberg to win.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Hicks pretty much desperately wants to be a part of This Thing
He’s going back and forth with whoever looks like the favorite.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 8, 2009 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Still want Greenberg to win
Hicks being part of it has no bearing on my opinion, though it’ll be fun to watch the Hicks is the anti-Christ crazies threaten to become fans of the Astros or something now.
Go Rice Owls!
the only time I had a problem with hicks is when he started controlling the budget
and it seems like as a minority owner he wont’ be able to do that. it’s not like hicks was a big hands on guy with player personnel at any point while being in texas (maybe just arod) so I have no problem with him just hanging around.
if he has zero power
i’m fine with it. Greenberg is the better choice because I would want to avoid another Jerry Jones type owner which Gilbert seems like he wants to be
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't think Gilbert's got his financing in place
So Hicks is just going over to whoever’s going to win.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Hicks' money is just as green to any of the prospective owners
If he wants to chip in and sit the fuck in the corner, don’t matter to me.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Right....
Neither Greenberg nor Gilbert are close to being wealthy enough to pull off the deal alone (Jim Crane has a lot more money than both of them combined). So, keeping Hicks in the ownership group with, say, a 10% interest means they have to raise $50 million less to get the deal done. That may not be a small consideration.
Also, while MLB and the banks clearly have significant input, Hicks is still part of the decision making process as to who wins, so throwing him a bone may not be a bad move for a prospective owner.
So, if Hicks will stay out of the way, having him keep a small percent of equity ownership in the deal, as compared to potentially more debt financing, isn’t necessarily a bad thing. And, given how the last six months have gone, I really don’t see MLB signing off on a deal that keeps him in anything other than a minor, substantially non-public role.
by Darrell McKown on Dec 8, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
YAY, levelheaded thinking
thanks ab03… and yes, I wanted Greenberg from the begining especially now that it seems like Nolan might leave if Gilbert buys it (and maybe even JD)… And as it is, I like the combo of JD and Nolan in the FO a whole lot.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Why is anyone complaining about this?
You get Hicks’ money without any of Hicks’ crappy decision making. My guess is that Hicks desperately wants to keep some of the team since he’s spent the past decade putting millions into it and is only now starting to see a winning team in the near future.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Lou Piniella on MLB Network.
Just said Milton Bradley will 100% be traded during the meetings or right after. No chance of him coming back whatsoever.
Well
that should lower his value a bit. Nothing like taking the we’ll just keep him chip off the table…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 8, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
either a deal is pretty much done or he just dealt his team's hand
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah, no joke
If there’s no deal in place, he just invited everyone to offer the Cubs ten cents on the dollar.
Hopefully JD saw this and is calling to offer Kevin Richardson and Ian Gac.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Can we keep Mrs. Richardson?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I hate to say it
But that is a no shit statement. The Cubs said that when they sat his butt down for 2 weeks at the end of the season. Theres only so much crazy a club house can take, and Sweet Lou uses that all up in the north side.
I still will bet it was either a bad contract for bad contract deal or a salary dump always. It was never going to be a talent trade anyway.
What do voluntary mean?
Is it safe to start a new rumors thread?
Boof Bonser DFA’d. I’d take a stab at him. I watched him coming up through the minors in Rochester and he was a decent option. I still think he can be to a new team.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Yeah, that'd be a pretty solid NRI
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
There is no way
a guy named Boof Bosner is ever going to be a successful major league pitcher. Sometimes you just have to apply the common sense name test.
Go Rice Owls!
Hmmmmm
http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/2009/08/dirtiest-names-in-baseball/
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Colt Griffin
I just knew he was gonna be a star…
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
Not interested.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by LSJ on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
WOW
@mlbCoz RT @IanMBrowne: Peter Gammons finished at ESPN, according to a release.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
really?
is there a report on where he is headed? I would assume the MLBN would grab him up.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Gee, I hope so
the MLB Network definitely could use some of that ridiculous East Coast bias ESPN has cornered the market on.
Go Rice Owls!
I'd love for him to be on MLBN
People accuse him of Boston homerism, maybe rightly, but he also has a ton of other sources/insight.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I understand the sources
but what insight has he ever had that has been so special and worth hearing?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I dunno
I’ve always liked listening to him. Not necessarily game/strategy insight but insight on the machinations of baseball.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Major WOW.
I just heard him on Cowherd’s show 3 hours ago.
MLB Network and XM I would presume are the next stops.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Might not be bad move for Gammons
because MLB’s 8 hours of in game coverage highlight show was much better than ESPN’s one hour BBTN plus they also do games.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
He supposedly wants less hours to work.
So I don’t think he’ll want to jump into something full-time right away.
Isn't he pretty recently off some major health issues?
What do voluntary mean?
He had a stroke I want to say two years ago
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
@Rotoworld_BB B. Crosby -1B-OAK: Pirates on verge of signing IF Crosby http://tinyurl.com/yb6yygo
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
lol
I think Inglett can be a very viable utility guy, especially when you consider that our guys aren’t going to ge too many days off. It’s when Kinslers goes to the DL that the utility guy will get most of their playing time. No big deal here
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Rec
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
That is still the most insane MVP prediction ever...
was that before or after the aneurysm?
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
The complete half-assness of a certain poster
is a fucking embarrassment for everybody concerned.
Admins, habitual posters, lurkers, injuryexpert are all laughing at one of the biggest jokes on SBN.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
what does this mean?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 8, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
nmind, forgot who injuryexpert was..
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 8, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@Rotoworld_BB R. Barajas -C -TOR: Rangers like free agent C Barajas http://tinyurl.com/y982v27
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
the team is also considering Jason Kendall, Yorvit Torrealba, Jose Molina and Henry Blanco.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
with who?( Blanco)
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Wow
Their catchers are worse then ours.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
I saw that we're not discussing Doumit..
but I wouldn’t mind Doumit at all..
at what cost though?
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
Sweet
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"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
They usually do that at the Anatole, right?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 8, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Think so
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Thought last time it was at the Gaylord hotel in Grapevine
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah it says so in that story
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Sweet
They were at the Wyndham Anatole the last time they were in Dallas- I dropped by for about 30 minutes just to walk around the lobby after Jamey’s book release party earlier that night.
I saw Mark Shapiro getting off a shuttle bus, and a bunch of people milling around the hotel lobby. Not that exciting. I hear the Rule 5 is open to the public, so I might try and attend that next year. Plus Will Carroll should be in town, so perhaps we can arrange a little Will-Josey nemesis confrontation…
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
I went to the meetings in 2005 at the Anatole
I was trying to get a job in minor league baseball back then. I got a few offers, all of them were basically slave labor in podunk towns. It was like a feeding frenzy for the job seekers.
It’s a great people watching opportunity though. I sat next to Hank Aaron at lunch, rode the elevator with Frank Thomas, and almost knocked Omar Minaya down turing a corner.
Good times.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
So...would you recommend going?
I’m not going looking for a job or anything…If for nothing else I get to say I went to one…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 8, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Um, I don't know
You’d stick out like crazy if you were just there hanging out. It’s not really the place to go up and ask for autographs and that sort of thing.
Basically, there are 3 groups of people at these things. The job seekers (who you can identify because they are wearing suits and have IDs/laynards), media (obvious), and baseball types. Anyone else sticks out quite a bit.
I saw more baseball people than I ever have in one place before, but I only talked to a handful of players/personnel type — and that’s including one guy I knew who was in media relations for the Rangers at the time.
It’s interesting, but not THAT interesting if you follow me.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
yeah, I follow ya, thanks.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 8, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that Ben Sheets’ agent Casey Close will meet with both New York teams, among others. A throwing audition appears unlikely. MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan says the Rangers would like a medical update on Sheets, who they almost signed before the season.
"you stupid motherfucker?!?!!?" - Josey Wales
What the hell are the Diamondbacks thinking?
Not to pile on, but seriously… I just can’t believe the Diamondbacks agreed to this. Scherzer had a 3.87 FIP last season and a 2.76 K/BB, at age 25, and is under team control for 5 years.
Jackson posted a 4.28 FIP last season and a 2.30 K/BB, at at 26, and is under team control for 2 years.
They must be really high on Ian Kennedy for some reason… or they must know more about Scherzer’s health.
So, Detroit has enough ammo to trade for Halladay now, no?
And, Yankees probably do not, unless they feel like moving Hughes or Joba, it seems.
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Why would they trade for Halladay?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I think if the Halladay to Yanks rumors were true
they would have to involve Joba and/or Hughes going to Toronto. I can’t see why Toronto would ever trade Halladay to NY for less.
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FYI: DMN Rangers blog had a chat with John Manuel (BA)
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Nice!
John Manuel:
@dirty, TNSTAAPP is a joke. Sorry. This is the last question you get just for mentioning it, you’re banned! Perez will be in my personal top 15, and I think he’s one of if not the best LHP in the minors.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Manuel chat
Evan Grant mentioned at the beginning of the chat that Brad Ausmus was one of the names being considered for the backup catcher spot.
That has to be a joke, because I’m pretty sure I could outhit Ausmus right now, and my baseball experience consists of three seasons of intramural & work league softball, plus a year of Pony League when I was a kid. I played catcher, too, so I also have that working in my favor. Not sure if I’m quite the clubhouse presence Ausmus is, though.
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
Why are so many people concerned about how great our catchers hit?
They are going to be hitting 8th and playing very sparingly. Its one thing when its a young guy because you want the best but when we are talking about a veteran backup catcher I am more concerned with his defense and his leadership than his hitting
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Because
I’d rather not have a guy getting 150-200 AB’s who is pretty much an automatic out, no matter how good his defense and/or leadership skills are.
There’s a role for a 40-year-old with good leadership ability- it’s called “coach.”
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
How would
anyone feel about making a play for melky cabrera now, sticking him in center and putting andrus in leadoff. wouldnt borbon be an outstanding trade chip for another piece or multiple lower level prospects who project well.
we don't need lower level prospects
we want to compete now
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its had a little discussion in the Gammons thread
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Whats wanting to compete now change?
cabrera in cf would allow us to compete faster than borbon, especially when you consider what we could get out of borbon, either in some package or being traded alone.i would consider lower level guys cause they can easily be thrown in another trade to get someone else of need. the idea would be to get the most value for borbon.
I think you can get whatCabrera will give you from Borbon
Hes gonna cost 2-3 million less than Cabrera and we control him 3 years longer
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I disagree with that
Borbon is already a better hitter than Cabrera has ever been, and according to everyone’s defensive metric of choice around here (UZR) he’s minus -13.5 runs in CF (career).
Heck, Brandon Boggs could probably give you what Cabrera could, maybe more.
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The Red Sox discussed a Curtis Granderson trade with the Tigers, according to Amalie Benjamin of the Boston Globe. Apparently, the Tigers wanted Clay Buchholz and Jacoby Ellsbury (Michael Silverman reporting).
by octoberty on Dec 8, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Give the Tigers credit, they're not bashful in asking
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There really isn't any harm...
in them asking either. I mean, look at what they got from Arizona and NY for both Granderson and Jackson. I don’t think that’s far off from what they were asking for just Granderson from Boston. They did very well in that deal imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Putting it a bit mildly
I see this as a very solid deal for the Tigers. I’m underwhelmed by the D-Backs return, Yankees did okay
The Tigers, unless Scherzer turns into Brandon McCarthy, probably just made the trade of the offseason. The got the Yankees #1 or #2 prospect, the DBacks #2 or #3 prospect, a fairly young, very good starter in Scherzer, and a decent bullpen arm as a throw-in.
The Yanks got one of the most talented CFers in the game – Granderson is gonna crush at that bandbox in NY, and provide them with an anchor defensively in the OF.
The Diamondbacks, unless Kennedy turns out to be worth a shit, got squat.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
What the hell are the D-Back's doing?
I don’t get this trade from AZ’s perspective at all.
Seriously, Brian Cashman should not be allowed to make trades, I can’t remember one trade that he ‘lost’ in. He always seems to get quality player while given up very little or nothing (not saying Austin Jackson is nothing).
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