MLB Hot Stove Rumor Thread #2
by NYTXFAN on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM CST
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PrintWith all the rumors and deals flying I felt compelled to start another thread. One where we can focus on talking about all topics here. It does get confusing when three or four different threads are going concerning similar stuff.
So everyone, post away. Keep it here and just rec it. Also lets rec the community prospect lists.
Update on Milly
WEDNESDAY, 10:02am: Millwood update: Zrebiec says the Rangers originally wanted David Hernandez and a low-level prospect for Millwood, and were willing to pay $3MM of the $12MM owed to the veteran. Meanwhile Zrebiec's colleague Peter Schmuck says Chris Ray could be involved and the Rangers would pick up most of Millwood's salary, in one scenario.
Not sure what to make of this whole Millwood thing yet. I wanna see how its played out by us. The potential buyers are definitely keeping an eye on it as well I assume.
I don't see us a major player for Bradley given what has already been said, but our name still is getting linked to him.
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MIllwood
I vote “no” to any Millwood trade at this juncture that is not a ridiculously one-sided in the Rangers’ favor.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
Millwood
Would you trade Millwood’s 198 innings of decent pitching for Chris Ray and Jermaine Dye? I wouldn’t. And right now that is what we are looking at with zero savings because of the money we would kick in for Baltimore and the money we would spend on Dye. No thanks.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
Jermaine Dye
will probably not get more than $5-6M this year. And that could potentially be a bargain. He seems to be following the exact same story line that Abreu followed last year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
my understanding is the with the trade for Chris Ray,
Baltimore would pick up the full salary. I think the report above is off on this point
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
yes
the guy on MLBTR misread Schmuck’s report.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
someone make me feel better about Chris Ray please...
was he coming off surgery in 08? He blew last year.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Orioles are selling very very low o Ray,
He had 2 very successful seasons before the surgery. We could be getting an Eric Gagne like reliever who needs to capitalize on an opportunity with another bull club.
He is still young and has 2 more controllable years I believe. Worth Millwood and his contract.
In the end it could be Ray, a RHBAT, and a lefty pen for millwood if you think about it that way. The money saved from Millwood could net us better options at those two positions than if we didn’t free up more money.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
i agree here a lot
thats not a bad deal @ all
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
He had 2 very successful seasons...
a mediocre at best season then missed a year and then was horrible last year. Im not giving up Kevin Millwood for that. We could get him for much less than Millwood.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He had TJ in late 2007.
It wasn’t until the following season in 2007 that something peculiar began happening.
Chris lost his dominance, but being the warrior that he is, kept on insisting nothing was wrong. Despite having discomfort in his elbow, even taking drugs to ease the swelling and null the pain, Chris still insisted he felt fine.
Ultimately, management decided on July 25 it was time to put Ray on the disabled list.
A few more weeks of throwing and more pain, and by Aug. 16, it was time for ligament replacement surgery.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
okay, the surgery makes me feel better..
and last year he seemed a little wild both out of and in the zone (lots of walks and hits) which as we all know is the result of the first year coming off TJ….still had a 8+k/9….
If they pick up all of his salary we better use it for upgrades (rh bat and high upside starter)….if we do, then we turn milly into 3 useful and needed pieces.
What’s not to like besides losing Millwood’s innings?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Like someone said yesterday,
those inning can be made up between so many guys right now not to mention a possible upgrade to a ben sheets with the money we save. Doing that would be fine with me. Ben sheets and Chris Ray plus a RH bat for Millwood! Im down with that. Of course it’s a risk with injuries and such but the reward could help us take that next jump into the playoffs.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
and we don't need to be married
to the idea of Ben Sheets. There are a number of guys, like Harden and Bedard, who could also end up signing heavily incentivized deals this offseason depending on how things shake out.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I'd add Kelvim Escobar's name to that list
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Im game Clark,
just throwing a name out there that has connections already to us.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
i woudl MUCH rather have harden than sheets, bedard or escobar
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Harden may only pitch 80-150 innings..
But I’m less than positive the other three reach 100 combined.
I’d still like to have Sheets on the roster just in case though, how much money could he possibly demand after missing an entire year and with no real signs of health yet.
the preceding post was a great success.
yea id love to give sheets an incentive ladden contract
like it was said above, harden is gonna have better offers from other places to rehab his value (than in TX)
meanwhile we at least have maddux as a pull for sheets (and may be a 1+1 yr option deal?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
see thats what im assuming is done
take the 12 mil off the books, add a bullpen arm and then spend that $$ somewhere else
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
and looks like we've got a gritty sumbitch coming to Arlington :)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"The purpose of life is to have a fucking good time." - Albert Ellis
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 9, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Milly
It depends on what the budget situation really is for the Rangers.
If keeping Millwood means signing no other significant assets I think you have to deal the guy. If you can trade him and free up about $8-10MM and get a decent piece towards next years club I think you have to do it. You can use that money towards a decent middle of the order bat, probably some sort of LAIE, and a reliever (if a reliever isn’t coming over in the deal).
More on one of the greatest names in baseball.
WEDNESDAY, 10:47am: La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune says the Twins attempted to sign Bonser to a one-year deal recently, but were turned down. He’s expected to be released.
Like I said before I have seen him pitch. I’ve watched his whole Red Wing career. I likey a NRI. He could be an asset to a team like ours.
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another great name
an org should hand out at least one NRI a year based mostly on name alone.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
clark check out some of these names
http://blogzarro.com/2007/06/the-bizarre-the-bad-the-bawdy-baseball-names/
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
I got a luah out of this,
DICKIE FLOWERS The most un-masculine name ever…since Pussyfoot Hymen?
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
BGL Dbacks thingy
He also notes that the D’Backs denied offering Chris Snyder to the Rangers for C.J. Wilson.
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Oh and Petitte and Yanks agree on a 1 yr/11.75mil deal
Only relevant because I like Andy. I met him this summer at a Texas vs Yanks game in NY. Very cool guy who I remember seeing pitch in the minors for Columbus all the time.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Donny's Tickers are da' bomb!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Looks like the Millwood deal is about to go down
Schmuck just bailed on his chat he was doing for the Bat Sun….
Peter Schmuck:
Thanks everyone.
Wednesday December 9, 2009 2:08 Peter Schmuck
2:08
Peter Schmuck:
I’ve got to go work on the trade story with Jeff.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
O's close to deal for Millwood
The Orioles are nearing an agreement on a trade that would send reliever Chris Ray to the Texas Rangers for veteran starter Kevin Millwood and some cash, according to multiple team sources.
The cash would help offset some of the $12 million owed to Millwood for the 2010 season. Many of the particulars have been agreed upon, but the there are still a few details to work out, including a review of medical records.
Satisfying the Orioles’ need for a veteran innings eater at the top of the rotation, Millwood, 34, went 13-10 last season with a 3.67 last year while pitching 198 2/3 innings.
Ray, the Orioles former closer before he needed ligament-reconstruction surgery on his right elbow, struggled last season, going 0-4 with a 7.27 ERA in 46 appearances. The 27-year-old has 49 career saves for the Orioles.
More details to follow
I would be much happier if there was another low level prospect included
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
you know
I don’t mind this deal all that much but this would be a pretty big PR hit. Local media will go apeshit.
Agreed
I hate this trade unless they use the money on someone(s) much better than the current list of names being tossed around in the media.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
i mean
that name has to be on the order of lackey.
but I guess JD will get immunity here because of the tight purse strings meme.
Either way, this will not bode well for April ticket sales
Also
You have to wonder how it will play in the locker room if this deal turns into Chris Ray and Jermaine Dye for Kevin Millwood.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
what if it turns into
harden/sheets/bedard + ray for millwood?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
It all depends on whats going on behind the scenes
if you pull the trigger on this you can not fail on all the decent SP targets.
the preceding post was a great success.
I still think Texas ends up with Bradley
Millwood goes to Balt and we save 9M or so. Bradley comes to Texas with the Cubs eating 15 of this 21 M left. Spend 6M on Sheets or Harden in a heavy incentive deal
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Harden
There is no way he comes here on a 1 year 6 Million deal. No way. He could get that deal from probably 8 other teams, many of whom would be much better suited to rehabbing his value. There is just no way from my perspective.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
just as a fwiw
heres his salary the last few yrs per cot’s
05:$0.5M, 06:$1M, 07:$2M 08:$4.5M, 09:$7M club option (no buyout)
last few years fangraphs $$ value:
2005: 13.1 mm
2006: 3.0 mm
2007: 1.7 mm
2008: 20.0 mm
2009: 8.2 mm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Underwhelmed
Ray’s an injury risk who walks people, and Millwood was inconsistent but provided a lot of innings and a couple of very fine months.
Plus I’d think with other teams hovering, there’d be greater demand than just a young relief pitcher coming back.
I wonder if there’s another piece coming with Ray (agree with Laxtonto, here’s hoping). And, like other comments say, this creates an innings vacuum, and lots of expectations on young pitching.
I have a feeling the freed up cash is going towards Lackey or, here’s hoping, Rich Harden.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Ray
Is underwhelming. Even in his best years he was more of a setup man than a closer; he walks too many and doesn’t keep the ball down, as sexy as his K rate is.
However, I think we all have to temper our expectations as to Milwood’s value. He’s a 34-year old pitcher who put up a FIP of 4.8 last year and is on the books for 11 million dollars. If you can get a setup man to give you 50 innings of 4-ERA ball while shedding the contract and using the money on someone like Nick Johnson, It’s a positive move.
ray
before he got hurt:
05: setup man (behind bj ryan) (rookie year)
06: closer (33 saves)
07: closer (16 saves)
WHIP:
ray whip (career:) 1.37
millwood whip (career): 1.31
era+:
ray: 110
millwood 109
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
From The Newberg
According to Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles and Rangers are "nearing an agreement on a trade" that would send former O’s closer Chris Ray to Texas for Kevin Millwood and "some cash," according to multiple Orioles team sources. Zrebiec writes that "[m]any of the particulars have been agreed upon, but the there are still a few details to work out, including a review of medical records."
Ray, a righthander, had Tommy John surgery on his elbow in August 2007.
"Support the Dutch Oven"
the closer this gets to happening
the less i like the idea
"I hope a bartender appears, with a shot and a beer everytime ya holler, cause yeah man, that's lucky"-Pat Green
i know
why are we giving up on millwood? he had a sub-4 ERA last year and pitched nearly 200 innings. I guess we could be selling high, but that is hard to do when you have a 34-year old set to make 12 million dollars. You aren’t gonna get much in return for that…..
The deal better have the O’s taking at least 10 million off our hands and it better lead to us signing a possible TORP and another need (right handed bat)
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
by Jason Brynsvold on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
because hes 12 million
and last year his luck was unbelievable, his BABIP was .60 lower than his previous 3 years total (and dont blame that only on the defense…)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
mlbtraderumors says it is done
should be interesting to see the amount of money coming our way….
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
I heard we're sending THEM money!
Millwood + $3 million for Ray
Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
yea
which would be acceptable i guess.
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
by Jason Brynsvold on Dec 9, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
if its ray, evidently it just wipes the 12mm off the books
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Via rotoworld
Richard Durrett of ESPNDallas.com reports that the Rangers have asked about Diamondbacks infielder Augie Ojeda.
Ojeda, 35, is arbitration-eligible this winter and would fit the bill as the type of utility man the Rangers are seeking. He batted .246/.340/.345 with one home run and 16 RBI in 264 at-bats with Arizona in ’09 while playing second base, third base and shortstop.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
YES
YES YES YES. First Inglett, than Ojeda. The Angels will have to make a panic move just to counter!!!
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 9, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not done yet ...
Rangers official denies Millwood-to-Balt deal is done, says Rangers “haven’t signed off on it.”
Probably trying to squeeze a lower prospect out of them
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Astros the leader
in the Matt Lindstrom sweepstakes. MLB Trade reporting that a deal is close. Can’t say I’m broken up over losing this one…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 9, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions
Apples to Oranges
because Florida doesn’t take Millwood. They want prospects. I don’t really care for either guy, but given the choice, I would rather move Millwood and his 12 mil than give up prospects for Lindstrom
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 9, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Id take a flyer on this guy
The Padres released righty Eulogio De La Cruz today
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Very wild though
Portland (PCL) AAA 48 4 69.1 2 6 9 26 24 52 44BB 59K 0 0 3.12 1.38
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
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