Millwood close to being traded?
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2009 2:13 PM CST
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The Baltimore Sun says that the Orioles "have a deal in place" to acquire Kevin Millwood for closer Chris Ray. Ray was pretty horrible last year as he's tried for a couple of years to return to top form after elbow ligament replacement surgery in 2007. Ray has two more arbitration years, 2010 and 2011, before free agency.
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so is that you being upset by the trade?
assume we are paying $3M and we might get some fringe low level prospect back
No
been busy at work and haven’t even had enough time to think it through. Was just trying to get the facts in quickly.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
So far the reports are
Millwood + 3M for Ray…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
No its really not.
that other player could be a better pitcher, or a big bat via free agency with the money saved.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
lets see
basically the deal is
kevin millwood for chris ray, 8 million.
i fail to see how thats a “fucking stupid” move when, as stated many times before, the difference btwn the “back of the rotation guys” and millwood is basically slightly worse stats, age, $$ cost and they could get experience
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I get that it's a salary dump.
I just don’t agree with the return, especially if we had to eat money. I think Millwood is worth more than Chris Ray. This better be a move to clear some salary so we can have more room to make some more signings and not a pure salary dump, because that looks like a pretty weak return to me. That $8 million could either get us one of Sheets/Harden, or Rod Barajas and DH/middle of the order bat of some sort.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
So
You’re fine with Millwood being traded? You just don’t agree with the return?
Which do you think is more likely, JD misread the market or you are?
i mean
obviously we should have gotten weiters in any deal for millwood.
in fact, im not sure if weiters would have been enough, what we really needed was adam jones, weiters and markakis. and even then they would need to send us 3 mil.
/sarcasm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
obviously we should have gotten weiters in any deal for millwood.
Come the fuck on man, I’m not saying that at all.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
umm
I think Millwood is worth more than Chris Ray.
a) millwood costs 12 million. and he doesnt earn it back.
b) not many teams are willing to eat 8 mil back
c) with the teams that are, you have to work around what THEY would give.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Well, maybe I'm wrong.
Millwood at $8 million isn’t exactly a terrible deal though. It’s not great, but it’s not terrible. Like I said, if we can turn this deal into something like Sheets/Harden or Rod Barajas and a middle of the order bat then who cares about the return on this deal.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
*sigh*
millwood at 8 mil is not horrible, no.
millwood’s cost to the rangers: 12 milion
millwood’s cost to the o’s: 9 million (bad math above by me)
which one of these is true?
I get that it’s a salary dump. I just don’t agree with the return, especially if we had to eat money. I think Millwood is worth more than Chris Ray.
Like I said, if we can turn this deal into something … who cares about the return on this deal.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
So many argue against & for the same point
lol
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
i just dont get it
why bitch about the return when it frees up 9 million
i mean would people rather have millwood or 9 mil in the current market? honestly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I would rather have the 9 million, I'm not arguing that.
But I never at any point in all of this Millwood talk wanted to see this team just dump him for nothing. Chris Ray is injury ridden and not very good. I’d say that qualifies as nothing. Both my points that you quoted me on are true, except you only put half of them up. Read what I said again. I said I don’t like the return. However, if we can turn the money saved into another pitcher or something else we need then all is forgiven. That hasn’t happened yet, so until it does then I don’t like the return.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
so you would have rather gotten back the
low A arm who has a significantly lower chance of having any value to the rangers than a player who could have value in the near future.
makes perfect sense!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Yep, give me the minor leaguer.
Those deals seem to have worked out pretty well for us in the past. They supposedly offered David Hernandez or Brandon Erbe. Who knows if that’s true. But Chris Ray sucks.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Wasn't he a fireballing closer a few years ago?
He’s coming off TJ surgery. Maybe he can regain his old form.
No
Chris Ray is injury ridden and not very good.
/srcsm
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Yeah a few years ago he was pretty good.
He hasn’t been that guy since he had TJ though. Hey maybe he can turn the corner and I’m freaking out about nothing. I’m just not going to get my hopes up about it.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
clearly
we should judge guys on their first year back after TJ right?
not everyone goes all josh johnson in their first year back from TJ dude
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
so yes
we should have taken an A arm, c-level prospect and paid 3 million
because thats worth something, right?
jeeze wtf happened to LSB since i left?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
this is why your not in a front office
clearly.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
no im serious
a c level prospect vs ray? and you take the generic c level prospect?
this isnt like a moscoso or melo we had choices of here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I never said I would take a generic C level prospect.
You’re putting words in my mouth. The Rays have a pretty good farm system, I think we could have done better than Chris Ray. That’s all I’m saying. Again, I understand it was a salary dump but we have no idea what, if anything is going to happen with that money. We’re all just speculating here. Initially, I don’t like the return, and think we could have gotten a better player back, even if it was a minor leaguer. However, I really can’t judge the trade too much until something, if anything, happens with the freed up salary. We’ll just have to see.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
lol
you have lost touch with reality.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
they didn't offer david hernandez
we asked for him. and they probably said sure, but it will cost you -or they might have said no flat out
I think I’d rather have the money
This is the guy I wanted, but I'm ok with Ray.
A number of guys have come back from TJ surgery to pitch well.
I don't think he was offered
and he has injury history
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
+1
we asked for erbe AND hernandez IIRC
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
again
we were NOT GOING TO GET A GOOD PROSPECT IN A SALARY DUMP
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
which of these guys would you have wanted
from baltimore (all grade C guys per john sickles)
Matt Angle, OF; David Baker, RHP; Jesse Beal, RHP; Pedro Beato, RHP; Bobby Bundy, RHP; Jacob Cowan, RHP; Oliver Drake, RHP; Pat Egan, RHP; Pedro Florimon, SS; Eddie Gamboa, RHP; Randy Henry, RHP; Tyler Henson, 3B; L.J. Hoes, 2B; Rhyne Hughes, 1B; Jarret Martin, LHP; Cole McCurry, LHP; Bill Rowell, OF; Tyler Townsend, 1B; Justin Turner, 2B; Aaron Wirsch, LHP; Rick Zagone, LHP.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
no!
weiters is not enough
like i said, adam jones + weiters + markakis or NO DEAL
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
the cash.
give me guerrero/johnson/glaus and harden and i’ll consider it a productive offseason
Considering that Ray isn't going to pitch for free, the savings is closer to $7 million
and a righty reliever wasn’t even on our shopping list. So how far will $7 million go in signing a DH and another starter likely to pitch 180-200 innings?
what player would you have wanted?
chris effing tillman?
its a SALARY DUMP. so much that we are PAYING 3 million dollars for them to take him.
this isnt some kind of madden deal where you trade an expensive player for teh best young player on the other teams.
im not sure where you have lived the last few years, but in the MLB rarely does a salary dump net the team sending the $$ get a very good or solid prospect.
again, who did you want? chris tillman? – maybe JD coudl have talked them down into weiters….jeeze
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Go comb through their farm system and then come talk to me.
I’m not saying we should have asked for Tillman, Matusz, Weiters, or Arrieta. I’m just saying I think we could have done better than Chris Ray, even in a salary dump type of move. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about this.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
im saying who did you want outside of that
your not getting one of those top 4.
who would you want? a low A guy with a 1% chance to make it to the major leagues or a guy who clearly has the stuff to make it in the majors and is 3 years removed from 2 straight 160+ era+ seasons?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
from what i understand/read
a lot of ppl dont think he has the stuff to cut it in the majors
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
push comes to shove I'd take my chances on ray
Hernandez just isn’t that good.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
not a huge fan either
but let’s say he manages to put together an effective april-may-june. he’d be a coveted trade target for a gagne-esque deal. i dont think its a bad trade, all things considered.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 9, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
here's me trying to look at the positive, although I don't like the deal
If we had a 12 million dollar option on Millwood and a 3M buyout, we would probably buy him out, and we would sign a guy like Ray for 1M. Millwood, also, got very lucky last year, and that is not likely going to repeat itself. Saying that, I hate that we are doing this for a nearly washed up freakin’ reliever. Can we not get something better?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
That is a good way of looking at it.
The only difference is that they would sign someone like Ray to a minor league deal with an invite. I certainly hope the $1M makes no difference in what they do.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this
Millwood behind an inferior defense isn’t worth much. Chris Ray hasn’t been very good since 2006, and had TJ a year ago. I guess this hinges on the 9 mil savings. If they reinvest that wisely this could work out.
It's all based on where the savings go.
by aggierangerfan00 on Dec 9, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions
So
if we had just sold Millwood to the Orioles and not taken back Ray, would they have picked up all of his salary? Does anybody think Ray is worth $3M.
I feel like the only reason that didn’t happen is because of the PR hit of selling players
That's kind of what I've been wondering.
I’d rather have the $12 million. Or $8 million and a better player…er…more projectable player.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
well, I'm not so sure about the 8M
I’m not sure the orioles had a 4M player in mind instead of ray. I think there was a next tier of prospects and they would have cost 6M. Just a hunch but what I’m thinking
That's fair.
Looking at it from the O’s perspective, they’re getting a 1.5-2.5 WAR player who is more likely to hit a significant number of IP than some of their other kids. Chris Ray let’s say bounces back to be a 0.5 WAR-ish relief pitcher. So that’s $4-9 million value that they’re getting, depending on team and current market. They’re paying $9 million (minus whatever Ray would have made). If they had to throw in a decent prospect/player instead of Ray, they are likely only gaining 0.5-1.5 WAR instead of 1-2 WAR. Now you’re looking at them wanting pay more in the $2.5-6 million range (depending on player).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
why did they let his option vest into a garaunteed year again?
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
Because they couldnt exactly bench him just so he wouldnt get it
sends a bad message to players and future players they might want to sign
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
had to let Milly vest
+ prob’ly a huge grievance by players’ committee, which’d prob’ly have a good chance in succeeeding
keep on rockin' in the free world !
can we not do better than Chris Ray?
this doesn’t seem like a move a team makes that really wants to compete this year. I’ll save judgment until the actual deal comes out
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
heh
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Christ, why did it have to be Ray?
Assuming the Rangers give them 3mm and Ray makes ~1mm next year, then their overall relief will be around 8m.
If they turn that into Dye/Tatis + Kendall/Yorvit, then this trade sucks. If they’re smarter with their money though, it might be fine.
Seriously though…Chris Ray?
by LiamP on Dec 9, 2009 2:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah
That was my reaction “Chris ray??” they couldnt do better than that?
He’s the type of guy I dont mind a flyer being taken on but not the type you want to see them trade for.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It's not about Ray
it’s about freeing up salary.
by aggierangerfan00 on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think we all realize that
doesnt make it any easier to swallow.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I think we're all aware of that
I’m just amused that they couldn’t find anyone better (even from some other team that would’ve taken Millwood at 9mm) as a throw-in.
by LiamP on Dec 9, 2009 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
Chris Ray doesn’t do anything for me. Freeing up salary is great if you are going to use it somewhere else but seriously Ray is the best we could do?
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
I would have liked to get more
but Ray is still a young ,high ceiling pitcher who has seen success at the Major League level. He’s had a brief, rocky, start to his career, but he has the potential to turn it around very quickly
Very underwhelming on the face.
JD has work to do with whatever money he just made.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Millwood’s value is not high, what he does with the money is the key to this for me. If it’s Dye I’m going to be disappointed.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Generates money to kick back to Chicago for Bradley?
Honestly, does anyone fear Bradley’s antics at this point? I think everybody should be over that sort of thing.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
So this is pretty much like not letting Millwood's option vest
while letting his option vest
I wonder if Milly will get fat and sluggish again
without Nolan telling him he should exercise
That's why they call them business sox
I bet he does. He's not exactly a health nut.
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
yet it is another contract year...
I bet he hates being traded to the Orioles though
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
why would he hate the O's
It’s all the crabs he can eat!!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I hadn't even thought about that...
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 9, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I can't help but think that if Milly can start the season with a sub 3 ERA again
how much higher his value will be in May than right now
odds of that happening?
slim to none.
his BABIP dropped SIXTY points from his first 3 years w/ the rangers (avefage of theM) to last year.
millwood is simply NOT THAT GOOD.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
That Millwood
wouldn’t be traded until the club is already out of contention.
That's why they call them business sox
that millwood was beyond lucky.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Many of our pitchers were "beyond lucky" last year
if you say “beyond lucky” is putting up the best numbers of their career…. might just be defense
His money that we saved and the little money we have to spend,
will be much more valuable than just 1 year of milly and a supplemental pic perhaps.
Chris Ray is underwhelming but that swap shed 8 million off the books. Add in a high risk high reward pitcher, an okay catcher and a very good RH bat will look like a better deal, imo
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by NYTXFAN on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well I never had any illusions about the trade value of Kevin Millwood
So if we were going to trade him this is about what I expected.
I think its pretty easy to guess what quality DH and reserve catcher the Rangers will pick up within a reasonable price range, but I have absolutely no idea what we will do pitching wise. Hopefully its something..
the preceding post was a great success.
there are no ok catchers, there are only bad catchers
and there are only ok RH bats out there that we’ll have to overpay and try to get lucky.
Meh
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds desperate, but who am I kidding ..
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
he's got a pretty good career line vs LHP
He wouldn’t be a bad choice if he was stricly used in a platoon with Davis at 1B.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
I'd prefer a 4C guy, if it is possible to choose.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, good point
I’d still take him though
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Silly goose
Career vs LHP
.313 .392 .495 .887 tOPS+ 124
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
25-man crunch
Platoon DH, platoon 1B, platoon COF, then what?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, valid point
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Ugh
If we just turned Millwood into Chris Ray and Jermaine Dye, I will not be happy. I want to see this money reallocated into Ben Sheets and Nick Johnson.
Chris Ray has never been very good. Ever. His career FIP is 4.60. And only once has he posted an FIP below 4 (3.91 in 2005). Otherwise, he has been a below average reliever for his entire career.
Would the Ranger consider just non-tendering him, hopefully after they have quickly used the money they saved to invest in a couple other players to avoid a PR nightmare?
What?
He had a .426 OBP last season and a .884 OPS versus lefties. For his career, he had an OBP over .400 and an OPS of .849. That is exactly the kind of hitter this team needs. Plus, he can occasionally relieve Davis at first. He would be absolutely perfect. He is an injury risk, but he has gotten 500+ PAs three of the last four seasons.
by Stephen Rushin on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
500+ PAs three of the last four seasons?
if you ignore 2007, yes.
2005: 547
2006: 628
2007: 0
2008: 147
2009: 574
But when he’s in the line up, he’s good.
Yeah my bad...
Since he didn’t play in 2007, I glossed over that year. I still think on an incentive-laden deal with a vesting option for the second year based on PA, he could be a nice pickup. He is the exact kind of player this team needs.
by Stephen Rushin on Dec 9, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
freak accident in 07 to break his leg IIRC (or was that 08?)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
ahh
thanks bhill!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Oh cool..just got a Rangers playoff refund offer email
’. In appreciation for your patience, we are pleased to offer you four complimentary lower level tickets to the Kansas City Royals vs. Texas Rangers exhibition game at Rangers Ballpark on Friday, April 2, 2010, at 7:05 p.m.
’
lol
i got the same email
and its an exhibition game
better believe mi going though lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
mostly cuz i didnt get to get to TBIA this last year :(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Godbless the DMN comment section
A few voices of reason but then, well, you know…..
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 9, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
On a side note
I believe that Millwood also has significant amount of deferred salary (not sure exactly how much, but several million) – is that also going to be paid by the Orioles now?
Doubtful
Barring an agreement in the trade, deferred salaries/bonuses are paid by the team that employed the player when the salary was accrued. For example, Texas is still on the hook for ARod’s deferred compensation through next year.
"It's not a good strategy, but it's my strategy." -- Courtney Lucas
The Millwood conondrum
Let me be frank. I’m really disappointed in this trade. Millwood had a good season last year and was instrumental to our first half run. I wish the hangover effect would have been strong enough to get a good young prospect in return. This team appears to have an interest in solidying the bullpen and Chris Ray is not the answer. I view him more of an NRI at this point, a big question mark with a strike-it-rich chance. The problem is that he made $880,000 last year and is eligible for arbitration. I’d imagine he’ll end up somewhere between $1-1.5MM in 2010 guaranteed. He’ll be considerably more expensive than the normal NRI roster we bring in.
That being said, you have to remember that Millwood was simply not good in 2007 and 2008. The fact that some teams find $9MM and a reliever of value for him as he enters his late 30’s is promosing.
Trading Millwood provides this team an opportunity. They now appear to have an opportunity to operate out of the Tom Hicks Budget Freeze. This is extremely valuable and imperative to this teams success. I believe making this move was really the only card this team held in this financial mess.
Here’s to hoping our good friend JD uses this money wisely and provides the pieces we need to be a contender in 2010. We’ll need it if we want to raise the revenue to sign our young stars to future contracts and to bring in the pieces we’ll need to stay competitive in the future.
Cheers Mr. Donuts.
However, please remember that Millwood was well below average in 20
x
Millwood had a good season last year
His peripherals suggest that 2009 was easily the worst of his career.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
damnit his era was low
an era under 4, and 13 wins. thats all that matters. the man was so good he should have been voted the cy young in the al AND the nl!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Agreed
However you were missing the point I was making. Those peripherals are more of an indicator of future performance rather than actual performance. His season last year is best described by the number of baserunners he allowed and the number of runs he let come in. His WHIP, at 1.33, wasn’t outstanding but it was certainly serviceable. His ERA at 3.67 was outstanding, especially in RBIA. The simple fact is he had a very solid season last year doing what he is supposed to do (which is prevent baserunners and prevent runs).
We know his peripherals suggest decline and even more likely a whole bunch of luck. That is exactly why I’m saying those base numbers are something I wish we would be able to capitalize on.
half season
First half, very good. Second half, pretty bad. End result was solid but not spectacular. I’m more inclined to believe the 2nd half was indicative of his future.
Absolutely agree
As I said, which is being argued against, he had a good year. 127 ERA+ if you follow that kind of a tool.
This is also why I want us to capitalize on this and trade him.
actually
millwood BABIP by month:
april/march: .216
may: .287
june: .255
july: .314
aug: .301
sept/oct: .287
he was VERY lucky his first 5 starts. he got closer and closer to his career BABIP (.299)
lucky does not = good.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Correction
Lucky does not always equal very good. However, lucky can lead to things being good. Luck largely contributed to Millwood having a good season. However, he is not likely to have as good of a season next year.
so im confused
we should have sold higher on a pitcher who through luck had the 4th best year of his 13 year career and whose info/stats showed he was going downhill in the future?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Wishes
Simply put I was hoping we’d sell higher. Deals get made all the time in professional sports where people like us shout “you’re crazy” to GM’s and owners. To say that teams don’t look at ERA and WHIP is ridiculous, of course teams do. They look at that as well as a whole host of other things. Anybody remember Jeff Weaver getting that big contract after pitching well in the playoffs a few years back? It happens. I was hoping we’d get more return for a guy that I am expecting to come back down to earth.
Simply put I was hoping we’d sell higher.
Yeah, if JD would just get off his ass and invent that time machine so he could trade him at the ASB last season…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
yea it happens
it happened w/ brad penny today
i just dont know how we would have sold him higher…i mean the team was in the thick of it @ the trade deadline so idk when you would have wanted to move him?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I could be wrong,
but I don’t think many front offices look at ERA and WHIP and give those stats any meaning. Millwood is an aging, mediocre pitcher. He does stay healthy and eat innings and that certainly has value. I think clearing $9 million and getting a bullpen arm is acceptable return for Millwood. Millwood pitching in the AL East is potentially a recipe for disaster.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Part of the thing here that some are missing
Is that Millwood is not worth the 12mil he is owed, regardless of the prospect/player return. It’s a new market out there for players, even more so than last season.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Brad Penny just got $9M
Millwood had a better year than Penny.
Ranger fans say "NO! NO!" to Go Go.
Keep Reinsdorf's chub from ruining my club.
Umm
Cardinals signed RHP Brad Penny to a one-year, $7.5 million contract.
The deal was officially announced by manager Tony La Russa on Tuesday. Penny, 31, can earn close to $9 million through performance-based incentives on the one-year contract.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
brad penny
was VERY good in SF last year
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pennybr01.shtml?redir
thats what made him 7.5mm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Question
What makes Millwood’s April “very lucky” and Brad Penny’s 6 start stint with the Giants “very good”?
by LiamP on Dec 9, 2009 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
it was very good for him cuz hes going to be an FA lol
penny was as lucky as millwood was
also penny only had 6 starts lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think most would agree that Millwood isn't worth $12 million
but outside of The Scooter, the Rangers don’t have another pitcher on the roster that’s ever logged more than 140 innings. If the Rangers have to squeeze a catcher, DH and replace those innings all for the $7.5 million saved, I think we might be cutting our nose off on the way to the beauty contest. There had better be more to this than what we know or have speculated at this time.
Well to be fair Hunter would
have had over 140 innings he just spent the first sixty in AAA. That won’t be the case this year and Holland will probably be asked to log 150 innings or so.
Plus I imagine they’ll want Feliz to get near 100 MLB innings. The numbers can be found. I"m not a fan of Ray but I’m certainly not upset to see MIllwood’s overweight butt gone.
he was a lot closer to that than Padilla
and we didn’t get SHIT for sending Padilla to the playoffs
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by Walter Sobchak on Dec 9, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
UPDATE:
Scott Boras, who represents Millwood, just told a throng of media members that there is no deal done between the Rangers and Orioles. Millwood has limited no-trade protection, but I don’t have the full list of teams he can be traded to (I don’t believe it’s a no-trade clause as much as it is a list of teams to which he will accept a deal).
From Evan
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
lol, i can just picture Boras saying that and it makes me want to pee on his shoe.
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by BigGuns on Dec 9, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I don't really like this deal.
At all. If they want a right handed bat they should go sign one. Trading Millwood plus money for a possibly useless reliever and a mediocre free agent is the definition of treading water.
Not mediocre. Right about average
Salary dump or not...
this does not make the Rangers better in 2010 or beyond IMO. Milly may not be worth $12M but he eats innings, posts wins, and has performed in past contract years. Milly and Feldman need more reliable SP, and without Milly, Feldman needs a ton of help to solidify the rotation while the youngsters develop. Who is going to replace his 190 + IP? That may not be guarenteed but given Milly’s track record, he is more probable than anyone in the organiztion now or available in FA to achieve this modest goal.
As for Ray…give me the draft pick after Milly leaves or whatever you may get from a mid year trade.
The salary dump is obvious but I do not see any combonation of talent for the $8M freed up that will help this team more than Milly would for 2010.
clearly
performance in previous contract years is something that can be counted on.
also re his IP — heres his total as a ranger:
06-215
07-173
08-168
09-198
so is it going to be the 200+ in 06/09 or the 170ish in 07/08?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think one thing to summarize this all
is that the Millwood contract was way too much. Either he’s going to stay here and get overpaid, or he’s going to leave and we’re going to get a pretty crappy return for him from any club. There’s not much you can do with him considering the contract and his actual value.
by aggierangerfan00 on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions
Here is a way to think about it
If Millwood’s contract didn’t have a vesting option, but rather a club option for $12 million with a $3 million buyout, what do you think the Rangers would have done?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Dec 9, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
No brainer
buyout.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
can someone explain to me how people are already bitching about this deal?
when we have NO idea whats going to happen with the $$ that has been freed up?
jeeze, if you STILL have no faith in JD you should probably just find a new team to follow…
kevin millwood is a player whose era+ over the last 4 years is 100. and he is making 12 million. to be league average. with a 1.45 whip, 4.57 era, 6.3 k/9, and 10.2 hits/9
we were not trading a guy with value here. in fact, millwood has a significant amount of NEGATIVE value to the rangers going into the future. he was going to be, under the current rangers roster, the SECOND HIGHEST PAID PLAYER
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2009 3:13 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
It was mentioned in the other thread
The key is what they do with this money they dumped.
it’s real hard to judge it in its entirety until we see what else happens
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
people are not happy about this trade NOW is my point
as in this instant without looking at the longer (till ST) term
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Im not real happy with it on the surface
But i’ll admit we need to see what gets done with the money
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well it wasnt really directed @ ya rentz
just in general
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I can't disagree more
Agreed that Milly may not be worth $12M, but please tell me who is available for $8M plus Ray will help this team more in 2010? I don’t see it but as always I could be wrong,
ben sheets
erik bedard
doug davis
kelvin escobar
joel piniero
that said, i like sheets/harden/bedard myself and escobar
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/escobke01.shtml?redir
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
And that's without getting into the hitters...
And if EG is right about the Rangers already having ~$5M in hand, you’re looking at about $10-12M to toy around with now…
if hes healthy
he should be able to get penny-money id think
im just not sure he is
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Sheets
But from that rumor he’s looking at 12mil.
7.5 for a guy who sat out a season is one thing, 12mil is another
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
hopefully
sheets=matzek
not
sheets=purke
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Love me some Harden,
but at what price?? for how long? and considering his injury history can you count on him helping as much as Milly?
I'll take
Harden for 100-150 innings and Feliz for 50-100.
We already have Feliz and
Harden will be better for 100 – 150 but who gets the other 50 to 100 when he goes down?
Feliz
He’s not going to be able to start all year. He’ll surely be limited. Which is why I said, Harden for the first 100-150 and then Feliz for the other 100 to 50 (assuming Feliz has been pitching out of the pen).
Sounds good to me.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Harden wont give you 200 innings
but the 110-140 he does give you will be a much higher value
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Agreed on the potential
that Harden will outperform Milly for 100 – 150 IP. But IF he gets Penny’s contract you are looking at some where from even to negative 1.5M plus chances are you are going to augment the rotation for another 50-100 innings. Weighed out Harden plus his potential replacement vs Milly with no cost savings and I say go with Milly cuz of thedraft pick next year.
say harden gives you 140 IP at 110 era+ (what he did last year) at 8 million.
how difficult is it to find 60 IP of 90 era+ pitching? because that gives you the same era+ as millwood, over his 4 years in texas
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
The draft pick is a non-issue
No way you don’t offer arb to Harden if he pitches 100+ innings.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
how far back does FA pick info go
how many years?
harden the last 2 years:
harden the last 2 years:
51 starts
289 ip
145 era+
11 k/9
4.0 bb/9
1.197 whip
thats gonna at least be a supp pick
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
harden last 4 years vs millwood last 4 years
millwood last 4 years:
125 G, 755 ip, 2.9 bb/9, 6.3 k/9, 1.452 whip
100 era+
millwood earned ~40 million
next year age 35
harden last 4 years:
89 G, 489 ip, 3.8 bb/9, 10.1 k/9, 1.161 whip
147 era+
harden earned ~15 million
next year: age 28
any question as to who you would rather have?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
you may want to look at those numbers again
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
50% more starts and 50% more IP
I Love Harden but value the starts and IP more than the K’s
More IP does not = more value
what if those IP’s are the same qualify the rangers got down the stretch from millwood?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
umm what
you would rather have 500 PA of 100 OPS+ than 250-300 of 140 OPS+
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i'd rather do Megan Fox just once
than do Michael J. Fox every day for the rest of my life.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Dec 9, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Valid point
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I dunno
The way Michael J. Fox trembles and shakes it could be interesting.
by Flynnyrd on Dec 9, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Without out a doubt...
..you are the “crazy drunk uncle who the young nephews love because he lets them peak at his playboys” of LSB.
Don’t leave.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
bf16
you would rather have 200 IP of 100 era+ (league average) at 12 mm
vs
140ish IP of a higher era+ @ ~9 million?
im shocked.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
just to clarify
you would rather have 200 IP of 100 ERA+ at 12 million than 140 IP of 120 era+ at 12 million
correct?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I would rather have both plus
the aforementioned Megan Fox.
Harden averages 122 IP over the past 4 years. Milly over 190.
Milly’s ERA was with Arlington as his home field. vs OAK and Wrigley.
Milly’s performance 5 years ago in Cleveland also influences me as he will be pitching for more money.
Like I said I love Harden but given the circumstances and would take Milly if we plan on contending. Lower risk, lower reward for sure but we are loaded with high risk/reward pitchers.
wow
millwood’s performance 5 years ago (at age 30) impacts him 5 years later at 35
what about harden 5 years ago at age 22? lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Harden was great too...
Milly was pitching for a contract and will be again this year.
so lets get this straight
22 y/o harden < 30 y/o millwood
27 y/0 harden < 35 y/o millwood
right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
No...
both are valuable for different reasons. Harden is a better pitcher when healthy. Milly is a workhorse and healthy most of the time.
Orioles are getting " someone to solidify a very young rotation." Don’t the Rangers have a very young rotation that needs a solidifying workhorse too?
it is about the money
12 mil (or even 8-9 mil) can be MUCH better spent on the current market than on mllwood and his 100 era+
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
let's see how the money get's spent,
how the players perform, who the draft pick could have been and the one of us will have 20/20 hindsight and one will not.
Peace.
because clearly in the near future you are gonna know how the draft pick does right?
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
so ray+8 mil < millwood, 3 mil, pick?
uhhh ok
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
you assume they would offer millwood arbitration?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yeah, and that is very unlikely
there is no way the rangers would offer Arb to Millwood because he would accept. Your salary doesn’t decrease with arbitration, so he would have made at lease what he is making this year
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
and you are wrong again
think about who will be picking up the rest of the innings instead of harden and even in the worst case scenario, you get a better outcome than league average overall.
100 era+ pitchers
not THAT hard to find
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Tell that to the 2005-2008 Rangers.
when we gunna git sum peechin up in hur?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
durn right
they took our jobs!
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
@VictorRojas29 Going live at 4:30 for the #yankees #tigers #dbacks trade also jon Heyman reporting that Millwood to #orioles for Chris Ray is done
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It must be done if Heyman says so (Boras)
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by Kinslerhomer on Dec 9, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Barf
Rangers are showing interest in Dioner Navarro
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Puke.
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by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Dude
Go look at some numbers
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
He's gotta be better than Kendall
right?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
I predict ...
somewhere down the road some local columnist will use this trade
to bash JD without mentioning the player(s) signed with the liberated money.
Maybe even an LSB poster!
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Dec 9, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think the point is
We’re tired of having to dump salary to make a free agent signing at a position of need rather than luxury. Yes, Millwood will make $12M, yes that is overpaid but Millwood still brings more value to the rotation than Ray does to the bullpen. Besides MY, Millwood is the only player I believe is grossly overpaid on this club. This isn’t JD’s fault it’s just the reality of the situation when we have a payroll that is competing closer to that of the Nationals and Royals than that of say the Cardinals or Braves. I just hope we can fill two needs with the 9 million saved.
realize part of the reason we have to dump money to bring in someone
is flux of the ownership situation.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Understood,
but I can still bitch about the fact that it has to happen in such a critical offseason. It is what it is though and it’s the right move to make.
ya
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Sheets mention in Grant article
“It appears that Ben Sheets is seeking $12 million – the salary he made when he pitched in 2008 – and that would likely put him out of Texas’ price range”
Lol, he may be seeking that but he sure isn’t getting it.
the preceding post was a great success.
so if the assumption is that the rangers
will be working with a simlar budget in 2010, and currently have about $54 possibly committed after arb raises then does that mean that the Rangers currently have $14 million to spend, with this Millwod trade increasing the total to $22-23 million?
If this deal
turns into a Vlad and / or a Sheets, Harden – it will be a bit easier to swallow. If this is a straight salary dump, then it is a huge disappointment. Chris “my elbow is about to fall off” Ray?
I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me. - Andre Dawson
umm
Chris "my elbow is about to fall off" Ray
rangers RP with TJ surgery (off the top of my head):
francisco
wilson
nippert
jeeze
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
not in the rangers pen last year
+ with cubs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
It's not a given that a player will return to form after TJ surgery.
Is the point. I could probably list a bunch of other examples if I felt like looking it up.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Don't waste your time.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Good for you.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
i can list a bunch of successful returns from TJ too
if I felt like looking it up.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I'm sure you could.
That doesn’t take away from my point that TJ doesn’t have a 100% success rate.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
TJ surgery
if you were good before TJ you have an 85+% chance of being good again
if you werent good before TJ (diamond) you have an 85+% chance to be what you were before.
ray > diamond at any point over the last 4-5 years.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
x
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_John_surgery#List_of_baseball_players_having_received_the_surgery
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
In 2009, chances of a complete recovery after surgery are estimated at 85 to 92 percent.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
however
TJ isnt going to turn diamond into mo rivera
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Really? Then I'm super glad i didn't type that!
:P
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
just in general lol
no talent before TJ wont turn into talent after TJ lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
clearly we shoudl totally ignore diamonds other problems
before TJ (link)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Nevermind that he might not have pitched for the Rangers...
even without TJ surgery…
i bet
he thinks hurley is an option for the rangers rotation this year too…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
With Millwood gone...
We have no other options… Do we?
if anyone expects hurley to come stright back to the majors after shoulder surgery
and missing all year i am going to be suprised
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
we don't need you to get going on hurley again
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
lol
yeayeayea
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Lindstrom
People should probably equate Ray with Lindstrom, another RH reliever we were chasing.
I don’t think some ppl on this thread realize that we had no money to go after anyone before this deal. Now we have 8m which at least starts conversations…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Dec 9, 2009 3:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
EG says they had $5M to toy around with prior to this deal...
So add that in there too…
We can dream
but it is not going to be us.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
I'm not sure Harden's a great fit
for Arlington, not sure how excited I’d be. I’m just plain not sure about a lot of things today.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Harden is awesome everywhere
as long as he is healthy.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Theres no pitcher in baseball who can put up 148 ip of a 2.07 era for a year
and not be a great fit for the texas rangers.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DShep on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol rec
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
The money saved is going into pocket of Tom Hicks. To think otherwise is simply naive. Rich Harden isn’t coming to Texas, neither is Ben Sheets. We got worse so Hicks can free up some extra cash.
LOL
Yeah, I’m sure Hicks was really concerned about saving cash payments that were going to be made after he was no longer the owner.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
yes because a shit middle reliever and Jermaine Dye
are really going to help this team win. We haven’t signed a significant free agent since Millwood, and to think, as cash strapped as we are, that we’re suddenly going to now is asinine. It’s a straight salary dump in order to save cash. Rich Harden is a laughable thought. Why wouldn’t Baltimore just sign him instead of paying the same for Millwood?
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
so what you meant to say was
I was talking out of my ass about Hicks and I actually have no conception of baseball finances and to suggest that Hicks would get any of this money was completely wrong.
gotcha
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you have no clue what is going to be done with the money
stop fucking acting like you, or anyone else, does.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i know it won't be spent on Rich Harden or Ben Sheets
and we got worse for 2010. (if it has gone through).
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
the point is you dont know at all.
period.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
probably a safe bet
but if it gets spent on a bat, we’re not necessarily worse if some of the young arms fill in adequately – which wouldn’t be as hard as you suggest
The DMN blog is calling
It’s for you!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Dec 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He just got lost.
You figure all the numbers and stuff over here would have tipped him off but he’ll stumble back over there soon.
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
by BAC on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
ok
this millwood trade isn’t an invitation to people who don’t know what they are talking about to voice their opinions.
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
Everyone’s a conspiracy theorist now. Get real people. Wake up to reality.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
and what reality is that?
That the Rangers have money now? That they’re suddenly big spenders on the FA. Ha.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
The one you're avoiding so stubbornly.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Not worth it.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
he just told you
the rangers will spend money. you said “ha.” i think the conversation is over. (you lost)
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope i'm wrong
but how can you not be cynical as a Rangers fan?
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
maybe the rangers will cut
kinsler and cut young because they cost too much
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i dunno
i live in reality. I also read about baseball 2-3 hours a day. And I know that the other people you are conversing with read baseball about 6-8 hours a day. So maybe they have more than a clue about these things – especially since your theory was that hicks was going to pocket the money.
so, how about you just read a bit before you start posting
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you think they won't spend the money on anybody?
it’s possible. certainly a better theory than hicks will pocket the money. could save a lot of face here with a mea culpa
correct.
with the offseason that we’ve had, and with hicks still as the owner, i don’t see us spending anything until he’s out of here.
people act like i’m insulting their dead grandmother; i just have no faith in tom hicks right now.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
hicks is a lame duck owner
the team in the process of being sold
hes not “here” anymore you fool
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
well tell me what they're going to do?
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
they are gonna sell the team
because they have to.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
no, stupid, with the money they're going to save
how are they going to improve the team? Rich Harden? Ben Sheets?
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
i dont know
you dont know
no one thats not in the front office probably knows.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
then don't bitch at me for not knowing when you don't either!
it’s the internet, speculation is what we do.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
no, "we" don't do that
at least not with such finality
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry,
next time i’ll be less definite as to not confuse everyone. IMO, I think, now this is just one man’s opinion so take it for what it’s worth (not much), but in my humble opinion i think the rangers won’t (and i’m just speculating here) reinvest the money to make the team better.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
its what YOU do
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tom hicks was the man on the grassy knoll
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Are we to assume that you know what you are talking about?
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
You might as well.
Like it or not, he has a pretty decent idea of what’s going on, as opposed to generic LSB spares.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Im going to entertain the troll here and ask..
how does it go into hicks pockets when he wont be around to pay the 2010 salary?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
because he will rob the new owner at gunpoint
!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Fuck the Fuck the M's
@jonmorosi Rich Harden in talks with #Mariners, source says.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Ugh.
Imagine facing him and Felix 3-4 times each.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
I want to curl into a ball and cry now
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Me too.
The Mariners look like a real treat in the AL West next season.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
I would put
them above the Angels if they lose Lackey.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Same thing I was thinking
Heck, I put them over the angels even with lackey
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
using the word treat really doesn't make it sound that bad :P
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
the Rangers should at least get the nod over the A's
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
doubtful
Everyone love Billy Beane. How many picked the A’s to win the west last year?
|Space for Rent|
This is true
people love to fondle their Money Balls
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
@craigcalcaterra Word is: Rich Harden deal: Is done @ $7.5 guaranteed for 1 + a club option at $11.5.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
damnit to FUCK!
you have to be kidding me!!!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
if only :(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
he doesn't say which team though
this is from his blog at NBC sports
"
Update: Craig’s source is hearing one-year, $7.5 million with an $11.5 million option for 2011. Possibly with the Mariners.
Sources are telling ESPN’s Buster Olney that free agent Rich Harden is on the verge of an agreement with a mystery team.
Speculation had the Rangers being very interested in Harden if they could move Kevin Millwood first, so given the timing, Texas would seem to be a possibility. The Red Sox, Yankees and Mariners are among the other teams considering Harden, who is believed to be willing to accept a one-year deal so that he can attempt to rebuild his value and go back onto the market."
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
by Jason Brynsvold on Dec 9, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
ha just relaying the full message
he obviously couldnt fit it all on twitter
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
by Jason Brynsvold on Dec 9, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
im hopeful too sadly
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
by Jason Brynsvold on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Holy god...
I will not stop cumming until this is true.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
awesome.
how goes it GOET?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
What the fuck?
Seattle is stocking up on studs and we wind up with Joe “the bummer” Sniglett or Inglett or whatever the hell his name is?
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Latest from Jamey
· Texas is “said to be shopping Josh Hamilton but clubs aren’t biting” (George A. King III, New York Post — in a story published on Monday, with no traction since)
What!
Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant
WHAT!?!?
OMFG, what is going on? Has the world gone FREAKIN" CRAZY
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
This fucking off season was dead two days ago.
Now the fucking floodgates are open.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 9, 2009 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
omg
“@craigcalcaterra: To be clear: Rangers is the Harden team
the preceding post was a great success.
Please God.
I need this.
The Cowboys suck and its December.
Mavs are meh.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i really hate this
i’m getting a headache with the pain of this
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Dear sweetbabyjesus,
I will change your sweetbabyjesus diapers for 5 years if you would let this happen, happily wiping your sweetbabyjesus poo from your sweetbabyjesus bottom with a smile on my face if this were too happen.
Beggingly,
GhettoBear04
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
OH FUCK YES...
HARDEN’S A RANGER…
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need the rick flair gif!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
attaboy Pee Wee!
A Antonio Alfonseca HIGH SIX for you sir!!
So who's todays mistress? They're coming out of the Woodswork!
by BigGuns on Dec 9, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
HOLY CRAP!
That is such good news. Great, great deal by Daniels.
by Stephen Rushin on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 9, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
HARDEN HARDEN HARDEN!
SO MUCH CUMMING!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 9, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions
Jizz in my pants!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
anyone bitching about the acquisition of ray now?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I TOLD YOU ALL
TAKE IT ALL BACK!!!!! HAHAHAH!
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
Hey, since it is the rangers, here's a nice scenario
Everything was about to go through but then Millwood exercises his no trade clause to Baltimore.
Sounds right, doesn’t it?
For good measure.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Flagged as inappropriate
Comment: “unnecessarily cruel”
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Make
it official, JD.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Never thought I'd see the day.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
FUCK YES!!!
@craigcalcaterra Breaking: Rich Harden to Texas. One year, $7.5 million with an $11.5 million option.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
genius.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
The team option.
That’s what makes this slam dunk. Realistically, Harden + replacement vs Millwood could be a wash for next year. Throw in the option, it settles it. Me-likey.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I'm an idiot
You guys are awesome! I’m so sorry! YAY JD!
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why are you welcoming a sock puppet?
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
You're not sorry
Until you’re sorry iorange!
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
thanks, ab
I was wrong, I do admit it. But years of Rangers fandom made me cynical. Always been a big fan of JD, and this just proves even more that he’s one of the best, most creative in the game.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Dec 9, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
ME LOVES ME SOME JD RIGHT NOW!!!!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
i wish this would go up on MLBTR
come on…more than a tweet
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
fwiw
lindstrom to HOU
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
if we got Ray
we really just need a LOOGY. Rapada could be that guy as well
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah im still waiting for something more solid here
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
This is like a freakin' GDT
with the reactions and exclamation marks….
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! HARDEN!!!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
we need the rick flair GIF!
where is LSJ?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
He's in timeout.
Tball sent him to the corner for a few moments of reflection.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
We need the .gif with the spinning head, exploding head, and general craziness.
Know which one I’m talking about?
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Wow
My money’s on the Rangers.
Nice nice nice.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
oh mother of god
if it still turns out to be the mariners, I will go postal. I will fly to seattle and drop some hell on that city.
Its Rangers
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
At least he says a high placed source says its close
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
you know
i do like this aspect of the story. it couldn’t have been that we signed harden. it has to be that either we signed harden or the mariners did. we either win big or lose BIG
don't do this to me
i just had an extreme high, and no you want me to quit cold turkey. i’m starting to get the shakes….need ha ha ha harden …… more har har harden
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
god. damn. it.
It better be the freaking rangers, or else that twitter guy is getting divine punishment.
the preceding post was a great success.
x
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
Harden
I guess that’s JD’s follow-up to trading Millwood.
Alrighty then. Anger and confusion over the earlier deal is now over! Thanks, JD!
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
Look at how attractive this beautiful sonofabitch is...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
hahahahaah
nice.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Does it matter?
That’s HARDEN IN YOUR FACE MAN! There’s nothing else in the world!
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 9, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I wish Adam was AWOL more often
I like days like this.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
This is the most bipolar thread.
Ever.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
LSB almanac?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
definitely.
I havn’t updated it in a long time.. need some other threads to put in there too.
the preceding post was a great success.
debt-to-value was a good one.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
heres one gif
not the one i was looking for but it will work
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I think ill have to put harden into the rangers zoolander .gif if it turns out true
the preceding post was a great success.
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
adam picked a hell of a day to be absent
turn millwood into harden. or the mariners just got unbeatable
On MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rich-harden-on-verge-of-agreement.html#comments
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
LSB Harden thread
Let’s keep the madness going!
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/12/9/1193635/rich-harden-a-ranger#comments
"Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
M's writers think they have them
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
noooooooooooo
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
In a fire.
A very very hot fire.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Oh shit!
Now our rotation is doomed to fall apart without the great Kevin Millwood there to lead them!
/bigsteve
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
I step away from the computer for a few hours and all hell breaks loose
First off this thread was wonderful. Took me awhile to read all the way through it but it was lovely watching the ebb and flow from heartache to joy to pissed off to excitement.
Now as to trading Millwood, since thats what this particular thread is about, I still don’t like it. Regardless of getting Harden back or not I think for 2010 our chances of going to the playoffs went down. Harden is the better pitcher I am not arguing against that. But by trading away Millwood we are now going into 2010 knowing there is a very very good chance we are going to have to get significant innings from our #7, 8, 9 starters. Spot starts are one thing but having to rely on those guys for significant amounts of innings is not the recipe for a playoff run.
I love the addition of Harden individually, but for this Rangers team I don’t feel he is the addition that is going to put us over the top like he would have been had we kept Millwood.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ditto on the ebb and flow
a pretty funny read since I was away from a computer for several hours since mid-afternoon.
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