Super Bowl Sunday stuff
Fired up about the Super Bowl?
Yeah, me neither.
Meanwhile, Jim Reeves' column today includes Nolan Ryan saying that Josh Hamilton won't be playing centerfield anymore, but will be moving to right field. Like, it sounds like, this spring. He says Hamilton is too big to be in center, and needs to move to right to save the wear and tear on his body, with either Marlon Byrd or Nelson Cruz going to center.
Ryan also raves about what David Murphy brings to the starting left field job. Given that Cruz isn't really a centerfielder, if Hamilton does end up moving and Ryan really wants Murphy playing every day (and you know my feelings about Murphy), that could end up making Cruz the odd man out, particularly if Julio Borbon forces his way into the lineup.
Anthony Andro has a story up about what having a top ranked farm system has meant for various other teams in the last couple of decades. His conclusion: it is definitely reason for optimism.
Reeves also had a story yesterday praising Ian Kinsler for his involvement in supporting Michael Young during the position switch brouhaha, that I missed. Now that the S-T is the only baseball paper in town, it would be nice if they fixed their website to make it easier to figure out what Rangers stories are up in a given day.
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If Cruz doesnt start because of Murphy, I'm going to be extremely pissed off.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It won't be because of Murphy
It will be because of Hamilton. This is what I feared would happen, although not so soon, with Cruz. I don’t think he has the speed to play center and until I hear about him actually playing LF I doubt hes a candidate for there. Hes basically stuck to being a RF. I figured he would be the od man out maybe 60 times or so this year when Hamilton moved over but if they want Hamilton to move permanently then that really sucks for Cruz. What he needs to do is go out and have such a good spring it forces the rangers to either consider putting off the move or makes them try him out at other positions.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to assume that...
…if they are really moving Hamilton this spring, Cruz will get traded before the start of the season.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz (or maybe even Byrd) as a sweetener in a Salty-pitcher exchange?
I’d be fine with that.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 1, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
And Byrd is less expendable if you are moving Hamilton to RF. You need Byrd to play CF, until Borbon is ready.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why Wash would
say earlier in the off-season that Cruz was going to hit clean-up but then quickly backed off that statement?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think Blalock would be traded before Cruz...
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 1, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I suspect Cruz has more trade value.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
I once thought Blalock was very tradeable, but with how the market has played out this offseason, no way he has any value.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 1, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody has any idea what to
expect out of Cruz this year so his trade value is probably going to be lower than his upside.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you think
That’s different from Blalock?
by brettgardner on Feb 1, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but why would the Rangers trade a more valuable player instead of just keeping him and his bat and trading the lesser player?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 1, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
For one Hank is far more of a sure thing than Cruz. Cruz may very well do better than Hank but then again he may very well crash like he has before in the majors.
And for another Hank is merely a placeholder at DH for this year. If we slotted Cruz at DH this year then what would we do next year when we have Max and Smoak most likely vying for that spot? With hank there we at least know its gonna be open when our younger guys are ready to take over.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Sure About That
What is more of a sure thing:
o Cruz finally translating to MLB after crushing MiLB and Winter
o Hank staying healthy all year
To say Hank is such a better bet seems to ignore health history.
by atlantaranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much becomning
a full-time DH will help Hank stay healthy?
I imagine, quite a bit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering some of his injuries
have been carpel tunnel and TOS, I don’t think where he plays makes too much of a difference.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 1, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DH
I think Hank at DH is a very good bet to stay healthy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It certainly can’t hurt. That said, I sure would MUCH rather keep the upside of Cruz (and his team control at affordale rate for a while) than the relative safety of Hank in 2009.
In reality, it really comes down to what you can get for each and balancing that equation. Unless they got a lot more for Cruz than Hank, you have to go with Cruz as his value for 2010+ is higher. And if you learn Cruz doesn’t get it in 2009, then Borbon and Smoak will hopefully fill the gaps anyway by 2010.
by atlantaranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that you keep Cruz
until you defiintively know what he is and your needs are.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LF
or move Hamilton there.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you do that, what happens to Murphy?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Use him
as a 4th OF or trade him.
It’s not like Murphy is anything but a cheap 3rd OF or a good 4th OF.
Murphy isn’t a bad player to have on your team, but its not like he is anything special.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd is nothing special
either and he’s old / probably about to decline.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz
Are we sure hes a part of the future though? Hes gonna be 29 years old during the season so even though we have him under control for 6 years doesn’t mean hes gonna be good that whole time.
And if he is limited to RF and we have this guy named Josh Hamilton out there then he has no position on this club. Because at DH we have guys like Chris Davis and Justin Smoak and possibly Max Ramirez. All three who are just as good offensively as Cruz.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
is he limited to RF?
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where else has he played?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CF
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 1, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the majors
Hes played a total of 16 games in LF in the majors. So like I said until he actually plays out there in spring and we hear that hes a viable option out there I will consider him solely a RF
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally
players are put in LF because they don’t have the Range for CF and they don’t have the arm for RF.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Cruz barely has the range for RF IMO, and his arm would be wasted in LF.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His arm wont be wasted....
Its not like Hamilton dosen’t have an arm in RF….there is no rule that says your LF has to have a noodle arm.
by death of the cool on Feb 1, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it will
The reason a RFs arm is so valuable is the amount of times he gets to use it. Its not just throws to the plate. Its controlling the other teams baserunners. Keeping a guy from going 1st to 3rd on singles to RF. Keeping guys from tagging up 2nd-3rd on a fly ball. LFs don’t have to worry about that because guys don’t go 1st to 3rd on singles to LF generally. They don’t tag up on fly balls to LF.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are WAY
over thinking this.
Two players have good arms. One plays RF — the other you’d just not have in the lineup because it would be a waste of his arm in LF?
That really is ludicrous.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Im merely saying don’t bring up Cruz’s arm when you talk about him moving to LF because his arm would be diminished in value as a defender. You want to move him to LF he better have the speed and acceleration to play the position. His arm does not come into the picture. Its a bonus but if he doesn’t have the other stuff it doesn’t matter.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
ok. In your opinion, Cruz is nothing but an arm. That in itself, is way off base.
But, the idea that an athletic OF with a good arm would be a waste in LF is really laughable.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said I don't think hes athletic
Hes not Carlos Lee but hes not Torii Hunter either. I don’t see the speed or the reaction time on the ball that I want in my LF at TBiA.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you see that with Murphy who
sucked in left last year?.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did?
I thought he was pretty good out there.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I think his splits were
good in right but bad in left, if I recall correctly.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking defense or offense?
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by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
defence.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
So you’d rather have a guy with no true plus to his defense in Murphy — than a guy who in most people’s eyes would be at least average in LF in terms of range — but would have a great arm.
IMO, you are overthinking this. I sincerely doubt that the OF defense would be significantly worse with Cruz in LF instead of Murphy. In fact, I’d say it’s most likely a wash. But, you have greater offensive potential from Cruz anyway.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who says he would be average in range?
From my understanding his range in RF was below average. What makes you think his range would get better in LF?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We must have different
“understandings”
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Cruz actually has more range and a better jump than Murphy. Sure his arm sets him apart as a RF’er, but if you go find stolen base totals, stolen base % of success between Murphy and Cruz, it might surprise you. Sure Cruz is a big guy, but he has good wheels. Not Usain Bolt fast, or Alberto Juantorena fast, but he moves. Murphy has a good stride and pace, but in a footrace with Cruz, Hamilton and Byrd would be the caboose.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 1, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SB totals aren't a great indicator of speed
You could have great speed but if you suck at stealing bases you will get thrown out. Cruz may be a nice base stealer but that has nothing to do with his speed or range in the OF
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by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.
It’s a pretty fair representation of quickness, reaction time, ability to get a good jump, and speed….
by BuckyB on Feb 1, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
stealing bases is mostly reading a pitcher and learning his move. Reaction times are important but as Gerald Laird and Carlos Lee have shown speed has very little to do with it.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be a valid point
And the reference to steals was simply a citation. Point was and is, Cruz is simply faster than Murphy and has in my opinion better reads. The few times I’ve had a chance to compare (and I hadn’t thought comparison would be necessary), Cruz handles fly balls, particularly liners, more precisely than Murphy, and gets to grounders and bloops quicker. And it isn’t close.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 1, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how you can definitively say Cruz is faster based solely on steals
But from what I have seen Cruz is fine in RF but I personally don’t see his skill set being very good in LF and damn sure not good in CF. Its just my opinion. I don’t want to give up on Cruz but if its true that Hamilton is moving to RF permanently this season then I don’t think he has a place on this club.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz is fine in RF but I personally don’t see his skill set being very good in LF
Even with a bigger than normal LF at the Ballpark, I can’t wrap my head around this comment.
by LiamP on Feb 1, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be happy to say im wrong
But from all indications so far Cruz isn’t going to be playing LF which I would think if he was capable of doing they would at least try him out out there to keep his bat in the lineup.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A big arm in left
will prevent a player going 2nd to home on a ground ball between 2nd and 3rd.
It would also prevent them tagging from 3rd to go home.
I think it would only benefit the OF defense.
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Feb 1, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be Short and third...
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Feb 1, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So like I said only plays at the plate
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
reread the thread. Who knows if he’s got the first step to play left field…I think he has decent speed but first step is what counts in Left, and I don’t know anything about Cruz’s.
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Feb 1, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably put Hamilton in LF..
….and Cruz in RF.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Given what we read that
Nolan said about Murphy, what happens to him with Cruz in RF and Josh in LF?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a 4th outfielder
I doubt Nolan is the one who decides who plays LF.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that Brandon Boggs
(the thinking man’s player) among Cruz and Murphy had the most experience playing CF in the minors.
I’d rather see Boggs (if he can handle it) than Byrd just because he has a much better chance to still be here if this thing gets turned around.
Watching old players with no long-term future on bad teams absolutely sucks and makes no sense.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell
does “thinking man’s player” mean?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A wise old sage once
said “You don’t know what you don’t know.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know something
You’re a jackass
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 1, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think he would have played CF last year
If the Rangers thought he had a future there?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Ron Washington
making the call so all logic is out the window – jeez they’re now talking about putting Cruz in CF when he has hardly ever played the position in his professional life.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it Nolan who is talking about Cruz in CF?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear what you're saying...
it seems like the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing or wanting.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to believe...
that Washington isn’t the one who ultimately makes that call.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Sosa hitting clean-up or 5th
in 315 plate appearances v rh’s (with an OPS below .700) wasn’t Washington’s call?
Playing Laird in 39 of 53 games to end 208 wasn’t Wash’s call?
Putting Bradley in the line-up for the last two weeks so he could qualify for the batting title wasn’t Wash’s call?
I disagree.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sosa getting yanked...
…from the lineup in the 2nd half of 2007 wasn’t Washington’s call.
I think where Hamilton will play, and who will be the most regular of the regulars out there, is not Washington’s call.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
why you wouldn’t roll out Byrd/Hamilton/Cruz as your normal OF. It makes way too much sense. Murphy is your 4th OF/ Injury replacement, and
Boggs is in the minors to replace Murphy.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
this stuff about Cruz not being able to play LF is garbage. If he can play RF he can play LF.
Plus the Rangers needs another RH bat in the middle of the lineup. I don’t want to see Byrd hitting cleanup all year. I don’t care if Hamilton is in RF and Cruz in LF or the other way around, but both need to be starting with Byrd in CF ’til Borbon is ready and Murphy can be the 4th OFer.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Feb 1, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Morris...
LF is the 3B of the outfield. You can’t disrespect Josh Hamilton like that! He’s an All-Star! He hit those home runs at Yankee Stadium. He has earned the right to play wherever he wants on the field.
C’mon!
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 1, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you underestimating
Cruz’s speed? He did have 24 SBs last year at OKC. Maybe he is just a smart baserunner?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 1, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos lee had 19 steals one season
Would you consider him fast?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 2, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
But Cruz isn’t Lee. He’s not a big fat guy.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 3, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz is an excellent athlete
why would you think he wouldn’t be able to play LF? If the team thinks he can play center, you think he can’t play LF? Makes no sense. I think he could play both corners with Murphy splitting CF duties with Byrd and the AB would be there for all 4.
Having said that, who thinks that this Ryan tidbit is just him offering up his opinion and not that it represents what Wash and JD intend to do? The article makes it sound like Ryan is the one making the decision and offering sage advice but maybe those kinds of decisions haven’t been made yet. I can’t really imagine Cruz playing center; seems kinda stupid with Byrd, Murphy, Boggs, Borbon, Golson, and Gentry all better defensively at that spot.
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think hes that great of an athlete
Just my personal opinion. Hes got a cannon of an arm for sure. But I haven’t seen a great deal of speed and hes not shown a great instinct on balls. Again just personal opinion here. I think if you want the best defensive OF then Murphy, Byrd, and Boggs are better in LF than Cruz. If you simply want to have Cruz’s bat in the lineup then you will have to sacrifice defensively.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a sure thing that
Blalock will make ~$5.8MM more dollars than Cruz with about the same unsureness.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 1, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not the same unsureness
Hanks unsureness is his health which you can say is a better bet to stay healthy by switching to DH.
Cruz’s unsureness is his performance health withstanding. He could be healthy as a horse and still suck or he could do well.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 2, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
…he has no position here long-term, if Hamilton is going to RF.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They are never going to get much of anything for Blalock
Im not sure they could give him away for his contract in this market. There are other DHs on the open market.
Blalock’s shoulder which stops him from playing 3B and his injury history have killed his trade value.
Teams have the option of trading for Blalock and his $6.5 or just signing the cheaper of Abreu, Ramirez, Dunn, Crede, etc. Cosidering its February, one of the FAs is gonna blink and sign a cheap one year deal.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but, i’d rather keep the better player and see how things turn out. You never know what’s going to happen throughout the year (injury/trade/whatever) and do we know for a fact he CAN’T play LF?
This is how we got into a position of trading Haf and Agon, no real position here….i think
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 1, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Haf and AGon wasn't a bad idea
It was what we got back for them that was the bad idea. And at Cruz’s age its not really similar.
As for LF, there is no definitive answer as to whether he can play LF or not. He hasn’t played there in the majors or the minors. Hes always been a RF. At least in our ballpark LF requires a bit of different skillset than in RF. It requires more speed and better reaction on balls. Two things i don’t think Cruz does very well. Until I see him actually playing out there in a spring game I won’t consider him an option for LF.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Agon was
fairly silly considering the incumbent 1B was a Boras client who showed no intention of having his FA years bought out.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What were we gonna do with him?
Keep him locked up in OKC for another 2 years until we traded Tex away? Tex had 4 years of control left when we traded AGon. Its not like we traded AGon and then 3 months later traded Tex.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Boras client was also...
…3 years away from free agency.
I don’t think you have to hang onto a major league ready guy because you might need him in 3 years.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
much better to throw him into a bad deal than to salt him away in the minors another year, and then bring him up and move Teix to OF.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that, either
No one is saying it is a good idea to give him away for 10 cents on the dollar. That was the whole point of the original post.
If your argument is that you keep him because you can move Teixeira, or you keep him because there’s not a good deal out there for him, then that’s one thing. Those are valid arguments.
Saying that your incumbent first baseman is a Boras client who will be a free agent in three years, though, is not a valid argument.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you really want to trade the more valuable player because you think he will fetch more in a trade (even though we really don’t know what his trade value is compared to blalock’s) and he might not have a future position here?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what the return is
I’ve said before that my guess is that Cruz is traded before Opening Day, 2010, anyway. I think I suggested earlier in the offseason is that the best scenario is that he hits very well, and we move him mid-season in a deal for a very good starting pitcher.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the best scenario being the most unlikely
you think we can get a really good (#3?) starting pitching for a 30-31 yo RF? I think not…
What do you think we can get for Byrd, right now? I think the return would be comparable with the Cruz return being slightly better.
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For Cruz, straight up?
With Cruz — a guy making the minimum and under team control through 2013 — as a piece of the deal?
Yes.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok
thought you meant straight up. yeah with cruz as one player lncluded in a deal for a good starter, that can be done…
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If F-Cat can handle LF...
I have no reason to think Cruz can’t.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Feb 1, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not exactly a vote of confidence in my eyes
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he's below-average
I think that when the OF is Cruz-Borbon-Hamilton, it averages out defensively.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Feb 1, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz before Byrd?
Leadership retained in order to trade an unknown quantity?
That’s poor personnel management. Again, Cruz doesn’t have as much value as people on LSB credit him.
Byrd will stay to insure Cruz, who absolutely is getting a chance in 2009.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 1, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah,
and now the picking up of Blalock’s option looks even worse, because Cruz has a chance to put up better numbers at a lot cheaper price and that doesn’t even include Max.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or he has the chance to crash like hes done before
Hank may have some question marks but his floor as to what he is going to produce is much higher than Cruz’s.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone tell me
why Cruz can’t play LF? I don’t think Cruz is traded until Borbon forces his way onto the roster.
You’ll have Hamilton in RF, who will still need a few days off every now and then. Byrd in CF, and a rotation of Murphy/Cruz in LF. Whenever Hamilton needs a day off you move one of them over to RF.
I’m not seeing the issue here. You need 4 OF’s, so I don’t see why Cruz would get traded before Borbon is ready.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we have the perfect 4th outfielder in Boggs
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 1, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AAA
makes sense to keep Boggs in OKC to figure out what you have in Cruz before you just trade him.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The thought that
neither Hamilton or Cruz can play LF is about the funniest thing I’ve heard. I guess you need to reserve LF for the great David Murphy so we can bath in his awesomeness.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we can always move Kinsler there
if their below ave defensive skills become too exposed out in that intimidating LF island…
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Murphy still
not at 100%?
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Feb 1, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a joke adam...
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't be
if Kinsler doesn’t improve a lot this year, they need to start looking at him for OF.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
He was, what, 4-5 runs below average defensively at 2B last year? After being above average defensively there the year before?
He’s more valuable as a 5 run below average 2B than as a left fielder.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear about Josh
The logical conclusion all along was to move Josh to right, to save wear and tear on his body, improve right field defense with a center field-capable player, and put his cannon in the place where it can best be utilized. But so often with trades, position moves, lineup arrangements, or whatever, the “logical conclusions” fans on blogs come up with don’t necessarily agree with the decisions of management.
But now, by moving Young to third and Hamilton to right, it seems clear that Nolan and JD are on the same page with the rest of us. Good stuff.
Hambone in right, Borbon in center, and one of the others in left will be a deadly good outfield defense.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 1, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
someone needs to get traded.
i wonder if they’d go with a Cruz, Borbon, Hamilton OF out of ST. It already seems like they’re going with Andrus at SS from the start…might as well try this is as well. Murph or Byrd need to be traded…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 1, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No
Borbon won’t make the team out of spring. If anything this means its far more likely Cruz gets traded like Adam mentioned above. I think a Murphy/Boggs, Byrd, Hamilton OF is pretty nice. Borbon should be ready for a callup sometime this summer i would think. If anything it would be September at the latest.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we've got
4 guys that can conceivably play center field until Bourbon is ready. I don’t see this as a problem.
by SteveP on Feb 1, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the 4?
Byrd, Hamilton, and who else? I suppose you mean Boggs and maybe Murphy?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
murphy can play center
and i’d have no problem with cruz getting spot starts there as well, though there probably wouldn’t be a need.
by SteveP on Feb 1, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
the only problem I see is Ryan speculating to the press before the decision has been made by “the group”…
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team
Seems intent on killing it’s Golden Goose, it’s offense. If Nellie is the odd man out, and Bourbon and Andrus end up as starters, I think this team will have trouble scoring runs.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cruz played all of 4 games in CF
in the minor leagues.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you need
His bat, or his “anticipated bat”. Not that I thought he would start in center. I thought we would be rolling out Murph, Ham, and Cruz.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trouble scoring runs...
Might have been overstating my case a little bit. Maybe just some minor difficulties.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They will probably be right around 800 runs
scored which is going to be trouble if they give up 950.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
800 runs scored, 950 allowed…
That’s a 67 win pace. Can I put you down with that prediction?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
800 runs scored?
The 2007 team scored 816 and the 06 team scored 835. The 97 team scored 807 runs. That’s about the closest this team has been to scoring 800 runs since 92 (not including strike shortened seasons). Are you sure that they are going to be right around 800 runs?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 1, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it will have trouble scoring runs
Although it will probably score fewer than last year. The question is whether or not the runs saved defensively with these changes outweigh the runs lost offensively.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait until late March, Adam
I will give yet another scary accurate take on the team at that time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go out on a limb...
…and guess that it will include the phrase “steaming load.”
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the phrase is "steaming pile"...
but we’re still in the midst of the off-season and I’m going to leave my mind open until I see the team in spring training.
Currently constructed, I will say this thing look likes a cluster-F of incompetence and inconsistent philosophies.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 1, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
Currently constructed, I will say this thing look likes a cluster-F of incompetence and inconsistent philosophies.
I’m shocked you’d feel that way.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not Golden
until it can make the playoffs
by BuckyB on Feb 1, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Semi-OT: What are you guys doing for the Super Bowl?
I live less than 10 minutes from the stadium and traffic is at a crawl near my house, so I will be parked here with plenty of beer and watch the replay of my Vols beating the crap out of the Gators last night. I’ve seen 4 Cardinals fans all week, but countless Steeler fans. Oh, and Chris Berman is huge in person.
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Feb 1, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Random question: signing a player to a Major league contract.
is there any differance in the amount of time that the team controles them? Do the Rangers still control Borbon for six years when they call him up?
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ML contract
All a ML contract does is start the options clock. Service time has nothing to do with your contract. Last year Borbon used his first option and has 2 or 3 left. He doesn’t start accruing service time until he is on the 25 man active roster. We control him until he has over 6 years of service time.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
24 of them
off of right-handed pitchers.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
by trza on Feb 1, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Rafa Nadal is to Rodger Federer
As Roger Federer is to Andy Roddick (And 95% of all other tennis players as well)
His window is slowly starting to close.
Pete I hope your record somehow is able to stand!
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 1, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ
That’s fucking twice this week you have fubar’d my late morning tivo’d tennis watching plans… Incredible.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it stopped you from watching
Tivoed Tennis, consider yourself lucky.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 1, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 1, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People plan
to watch tennis? I’ve only ever done it accidentally or if I’ve lost the remote.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 1, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nadal vs. Federer?
I hardly ever watch tennis, but I’ll go out of my way to find the match if those two are playing eachother…
by N41D on Feb 1, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deal with it
Get up like a man and watch it live.
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 1, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I
wish I still had that in me… My better days are behind me. I’ve reached “old man” status at 32. A wife and two kids has a way of doing that to you.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it's that big a deal, why would you go online to a sports message board before watching it?
That’s kind of your fault, broseph.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 1, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TMI
the night before I kind of huffed and told my wife I had to get out of bed and go set the tivo to record the match. When I woke up I decided to go get my truck washed, grab some coffee, and then head home for one of the greatest rivalries in recent sports memory. While waiting at the car wash I thought what the hell, lets see if the Ranger have any shocking updates. So I utilized the iPhone and entered the LSB portal. The fault is mine, and no longer will i assume I am the lone tennis fan on LSB.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 1, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was really rooting for Fed last night.
That said, it’s hard for me to muster up the same Rafa hate now that he’s ditched the capri’s.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 1, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton stays in CF until Borbon is ready....and odd for el presidente to comment on that.
Otherwise Byrd plays everyday over Cruz or Murphy. As well as Byrd did vs RHP last year, hard to predict that to continue.
Seems like a strange thing for a club president to say. Either Hamilton really goes to RF showing Nolan has all the power, or Hamilton stays in CF and makes it look like el presidente is just firing from the hip.
Even stranger that he’d comment on that without discussing it first with the manager (really the GM’s job). Seems like a pretty rookie media mistake for such a veteran of the game.
by JPenn on Feb 1, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Cruz
If he hits, then he will make Murphy irrelevant, regardless of what Nolan thinks about it. It’s up to Cruz to perform this season.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
by trza on Feb 1, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why
can’t they just roll with R/L platoon in Left with Byrd/Murph, Hamilton in CF (TIL BORBON proves he can play at the big league level) and Cruz in right. I think you can move the pieces around enough to give Hamilton his breaks. Not to mention that Murphy isn’t even 100% (per his own admission…)
I just think Nolan shouldn’t have said this….go into ST with Cruz thinking he’s the man, see what he can do, if he shits the bed then move.
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Feb 1, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It looks as if a few things are happening...
1.Rangers management have decided to make defense a priority…Young to 3B, Andrus/Vizquel at SS. Moving Hamilton to RF and inserting Byrd in CF adds even more to the defense. Thumbs up.
2.Rangers management seems to be setting the table this season for a few young guns…..First it was Andrus, and now its Borbon….It would not suprise me if sometime this year we had Feliz or Holland in the rotation. It has become obvious that the Rangers want these young guys to experience their growing pains this year rather than next year.
3.The Rangers do not see Cruz in their plans. I think they are taking the approach that Cruz will need to blow them away in the spring to have a shot at making the club….Are we really going to keep 5 OF’s (ham, byrd, murphy, boggs, cruz) considering we will also have Hank stuck at DH and 2 catchers (tea and salt) that will both need lots of playing time….don’t forget we will also need a utility IF (vizquel or Duran). I guess they could keep Cruz and put Boggs in AAA, but I think Cruz as it stands right now is on the outside looking in.
by death of the cool on Feb 1, 2009 11:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
or
Ryan just forgot to take off his hand-made “I am GM and President” badge before leaving the house and chatting with journalists in the john….
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5 OF’s
Right now I think the 5 OFers are Hamilton, Byrd, Cruz, Murphy and Catalanotto.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 1, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If thats the case
they need to release catalnotto.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 2, 2009 4:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to release Catalanotto anyway
I’m still maintaining there’s more value in using that 4 million to make sure he doesn’t play for us ever again than allowing him to clog up the bench and cause the equipiment guys greif with his name.
That’s something nobody ever thinks about: the equipment monkeys. They’re gonna have enough trouble with Salty and Teagarden – if we have to have Cat on the team, at least make him wear a blank jesey. It’s not like he’s going to be getting up off the bench that often anyway.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 5:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we have to trade one?
Everyone is acting like Hamilton, Byrd, Murphy, and Blalock are each going to play 162 games this year. I know what Nolan said, but I imagine through injuries and reasonable resting that there should be at least 100 games available out of those 4 positions. Blalock isn’t the standard of perfect health, I’m not sure about Murphy’s minor league track record, but last year wasn’t a great year in terms of showing he can play every day and if Byrd is playing CF every day, I think it would be good to give him a day off every now and again. I would prefer to give Cruz all of those at-bats and make sure we do/don’t have a good hitter for 6 years than bringing up Boggs when he could use more tim in AAA. Does anyone think that Cruz wouldn’t be able to get into 100 games under that scenario?
by CS3 on Feb 1, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great
Then we can hear all the complaining about him not getting consistent playing time being the reason he didn’t perform.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the issue comes to a head...
…when Borbon arrives in the majors.
He’s the one that forces a move (unless someone is out for a long period of time with an injury).
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of ST: Murphy in CF, Ham and Cruz in the corners, Byrd on the bench alternating with Murphy.
If Cruz fails or Borbon pushes too hard: trade Murphy or Byrd.
You trade Murphy you open up CF. You trade Byrd, you can slide Murphy to a platoon role.
Done.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 1, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd over Murphy
in CF, bat at least as good, better defense and far more experience at CF.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 1, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His bat will suck this year
Byrd’s that is
by BuckyB on Feb 1, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it may suck in April and May
but then he’ll hit 350 the rest of the year if his history is any guide
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Byrd regresses
towards his career averages he’ll likely be at least as good as Murphy, and with better defense.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 1, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Murphy in CF.
That’d be horrible.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 1, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 1, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I just think that this could give them a reason to take a good look at Cruz, knowing they have Borbon coming up at some point. I’m don’t put too much weight into it, but it does kind of make me curious when our four power positions (both COF, 1B, DH) would all be LH. Knowing that Washington likes to space hitters out and 1 and 2 are pretty much set, does that mean that he is going to hit one of our COF’s 9th if Murphy is in the lineup? If we really don’t think this is the year, wouldn’t this be the best opportunity to make 100% sure that Cruz isn’t a big part. I think Murphy can be a good 4th OF, average COF and Byrd is gone after this year. I’m not sure of Boggs’ reasonable ceiling, but a productive Cruz in the OF with Hamilton and Borbon sounds nice for ’10 with Murphy as a platoon match/4th OF.
by CS3 on Feb 1, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Niemann
Out of options, as mlbtr notes.
Is he of interest to this club, especially now that Hurley’s down?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 1, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Not really into any more guys out of options. All that does is give us reason to push guys like Harrison and McCarthy down to OKC.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take him
but I suspect that he’d already be moved if they were looking to move him cheaply.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 1, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cafardo at the Boston globe
has a very long column up with lots of good stuff particularly his discussion of the competition for the 19 remaining roster spots open throughout the league with 100+ free agents remaining and 227 guys currently out of options:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/02/01/captain_caught_no_interest/?page=1
He also notes that Littleton seems to be a lock for the bullpen.
by Goyogringo on Feb 1, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Theo hates giving up talent for nothing. If he can send someone to the minors for a little while while he figures out what he’s got, he probably will, rather than let a player get picked off of waivers.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Feb 1, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Theo hates giving up talent for nothing"
If only he could teach JD this lesson…
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 1, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i cant believe we havn't heard a word on sheets in over a week
2 weeks from pitchers/catchers reporting.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Feb 1, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why are plans being altered for David Murphy?
He sucks…
by N41D on Feb 1, 2009 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good
aside from the wear and tear, I don’t think Hamilton is a very good center fielder. Then again, neither are any of the other guys until Borbon is ready.
by kumizi on Feb 1, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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