Tuesday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 10, 2009 7:34 AM CST
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PrintSo, yeah, if you want Rangers news, forget it. It is all ARod, all the time out there right now.
Tim Cowlishaw thinks ARod did the right thing in coming clean, and thinks it will help him down the road.
A transcript of ARod's interview with Gammons can be found here.
Jeff Wilson has a story on the situation in the S-T, complete with Tom Hicks' temper tantrum.
The award for the most histrionic reaction to the situation goes to Bill Madden, who says the Yanks should release Rodriguez and eat the $270 million that's owed to him:
As difficult as it is to imagine eating $270 million, the Bombers will be making a statement, not just for the Yankee brand but for baseball as a whole.
Jason Parks has a prospect Q&A up with Keith Law that you should check out.
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lol
The qualifications for “temper tantrum” must have went down.
What more do you need to know, Cool Guy? - male cheerleader
Why?
This is one of the dumbest things to come out of Tom Hicks’ mouth, and there’s a lot of competition there.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
It's dumb and irritating, sure.
But is it a temper-tantrum? Probably not. Doesn’t make Hicks any less of a douche.
temper tantrum
Hicks comments had an element of a 3 year old screaming “me! me! me!”, so yes, I think that qualifies as a temper tantrum.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
Even worse to me
He was just trying to preemptively shake off any connection by hitting a guy when he’s down—a guy who, incidentally, gave Hicks everything he paid for.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
$252M
I can understand Hick’s view. I don’t think he expressed it very well and I don’t think ARod owes him anything. I think there was some built up “frustration” that Hicks had with ARod. Afterall, Hicks put up $252M and didn’t get back what he thought he was getting.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
and then some
he got a superhuman
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
ARod played his ass off
in Texas and if anything, Hicks should be thankful to ARod for greenlighting the trade to the Yankees…you know, so Hicks could get some “financial flexibility.”
For Hicks to stamp his feet and demand an apology tells you everything you need to know about Tom Hicks.
Not only is he a lying sack of shit but a douche bag to boot.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
OH MY :)
I haven’t seen this much Tom Hicks vitriol since Tommy Jr. tried to get a beer at an English Pub. He truly is a rude thoughtless big pig, I wish he would sell the team and do us all a favor.
"You are a rude thoughtless little pig"
Alec Baldwin
FOTF
For $252M I think Hicks also expected ARod to be the FOTF and team leader. Alex didn’t give him that.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
No
He expected him to perform at MVP levels. He did that.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
MY
So when Hicks sign MY to a $80M contract he expects him to be the FOTF and team leader, but, when he signed ARod to a $252M contact he only expected him to put up MVP type of numbers?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
That sounds
Like more of a justification for giving an undeserving player a huge contract than a legitimate point.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
What?
If you hired somebody and he fucked up, you’d have no reaction.
Got it.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 10, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
I’m not sure why you’re being such an asshole in all of your responses.
I’m also not sure what point you’re trying to make.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
o yea
its very easy to eat 270 million…
wow.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
It's easy to eat say...900 billion dollars these days.
What more do you need to know, Cool Guy? - male cheerleader
or 1.5 trillion.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 10, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
Bill Madden
is an idiot.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 10, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Q: I’m intrigued by the acquisition of Greg Golson. I agreed with the move to swap prospects, seeing as the Rangers already have an ample amount of power prospects. I read he automatically comes in as the best defensive arm in the system along with the best speed. I’m curious as to what type of player he resembles. I’ve read that he’s similar to Mike Cameron and Torii Hunter. Do you think, with the help of Rudy Jaramillo, he can develop the plate discipline to become a Torii Hunter-esque center fielder?
Tim from Dallas
Keith Law: Fifth outfielder type. He’s similar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black. That’s about the end of it. I have never seen a first-rounder with less feel for the game than Golson has.
That said, I’d rather have him than [John] Mayberry.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
let me also say
that im glad to see bbtia giving us another site on par with newberg, lsb and scott lukas’s site.
i dont know if theres another team out there that has as many places to get consistantly very good information regarding their team than the rangers…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 10, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
He’s similar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black. That made me laugh.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
yea
thats why i popsted lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 10, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
Ranger sites
While there is some overlap in content, they do seem to each have their own niche that make it worth checking them out virtually everyday.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
"I have never seen a first-rounder with less feel for the game than Golson has"
Donald Harris?
by robert_d_wilfong on Feb 10, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
2008 Philly 1st Rounder Anthony Hewitt
One more of the toolsy player philosophy in Philadelphia. Watching Hewitt can be painful.
Ster - Rod
what a pathological liar…
I wish someone more qualified than myself would analyze that video. I’ve seen pathological liars perform on stage before(Clinton and OJ, all those mothers who kill their babies and then lie about it) and it was creepy how reminiscent this was of those performances.
I don’t know what I took? ARE U F’N KIDDING ME? He’d never heard of “enhancers” before he came to Texas? This guy told one lie on top of another, over, and over, and over again. Did he ever use the word STEROID? I heard a lot of “enhancers” type language.
He didn’t lie to CBS because he didn’t believe he had ever done anything wrong, at that time? I’ve never bought anything at GNC that required a neddle up my ass…
He said he’s coming clean now and it feels good. I LOVE people who come clean upon being caught and forced into a corner.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 10, 2009 7:52 AM CST reply actions
So Hicks is upset with ARod
but he had no problems bringing in Sammy Sosa because he felt Sosa could help the team and he did it on the cheap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I consider corking
To be a much worse transgression than any substance.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
What's really funny is Hicks getting mad
at ARod for deceiving him when Hicks has made a sport out of deceiving Ranger fans for years.
Remember how Hicks told us after the Red Sox deal for ARod fell thru that ARod was going to remain a Ranger and would never be traded? And then we were told that getting out from under ARod’s contract would give the team the needed “financial flexibility” to go get some more pitching?
We traded ARod so we could sign Pedro Fucking Astacio?
Wanna know why I’m so pessimistic at times with this team?
Tom Fucking Hicks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
It is not coincidental that the really
shitty owners in professional sports (See Bidwill Sr., Irsay Sr., Sterling with the Clips, McClatchey in Pittsburgh or the dumb asses who have run the Washington Bullets/Wizards) go so long without winning and the Texas Rangers have one of the five worst owners in all of professional sports.
It is also not coincidental at all that this team has been under .500 for 8 of the last 9 years with no end in sight.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Hard to argue with that
Really?
Cause it’s actually been a few years. Nothing’s happened since then?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
How would
Anything happening since those instances negate them?
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Fold your arms, clench your jaw, and take umbrage.
I’m kinda psyched about what’s become an org with a coherent philosophy, and sane spending habits.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 10, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Me too
Where’s the inconsistency? I guess I don’t understand your point.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Why pout about the past? That’s the whole point.
Be careful reading this next line, but I’d even say Tom Hicks has a lot to do with the current successes of this org.
Here’s another nuisance of an idea: if he does, why bitch about his past mistakes, or ask your navel whether they can be negated? Maybe he was even learning.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 10, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm?
I think you’re so locked in to being snarky that you’re missing my point.
I don’t bitch about Hicks or past mistakes. Perhaps you should reread Josey’s post. This is all in response to a discrete event, not a catch-all condemnation, at least not from my perspective.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
The discrete event your responding to…why bother responding to it? It’s over.
I’d say it’s negated: there’s a different system in place.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 10, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Well
That’s just bizarre thinking, for one thing. Willful ignorance.
But more importantly, this is all in the context of Hicks’ Arod bitching. It has nothing to do with the current system in place. It has to, simply, with Hicks’ lack of justification for his sanctimonious put-on.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
"Tom Hicks has a lot to do with the
current success of this organization."
I’d say Tom Hicks, who personally hired both John Hart & Boy Blunder plus gave his own personal thumbs up on Ron Washington is one of the biggest reasons this franchise has been under .500 for 8 of the last 9 years with no end in sight.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Q&A
Great interview Jason.
Couple things. I hope the “arm issues” hes talking about with regard to Teagarden is the TJ surgery he had a couple years ago, am I right?
Also hearing him suggest, even though its far fetched, Perez dominating Low A and be given the Feliz treatment and jumping straight to AA at 18 years old made my pants alot tighter.
And lastly, when was Law working in the Toronto front office? It wasn’t during the time when we stole Micheal Young away from them was it?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Nope, he was hired in 2002, according to his Wiki page.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 10, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
I really hope Font
Can pitch this year. He sounds like a stud.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
Interesting.
I don’t know that there’s anyone who’s overrated in the Rangers’ system; I suppose you could say [Taylor] Teagarden, who didn’t hit at all this past year and whose arm problems might be a permanent issue. By my count, he only caught on back-to-back days 31 times all season, across all three levels.
I normally take K. Law’s opinions with a lot of salt, but would this be an indicator as to why Salty has “a leg up” on Texas’s starting C job?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Very good point.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Weren't Teagarden's health problems last year
related to him getting hit by a pitch in one of the first spring training games?
Was he still nursing his arm back from TJ surgery?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
My understanding is that
They’ve still been shepherding him along with the arm post-TJ.
I tend to agree with Law that Teagarden’s arm issues may be a lingering concern from now on, because if this was just a simple cut-and-dried TJ surgery, they wouldn’t continue to handle him with kid gloves in 2009.
Personally I’d be happy going with a steady Teagarden + Salty/Max rotation from now on into the foreseeable future. Lingering arm issues or not, catching is a tough job, so if you’ve got two guys who can do a good job at the position, why not keep both and use them so that they both stay healthy, fresh, and productive?
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
it's a good point
Teagarden hasn’t really been an everyday catcher as a professional.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
Was last year more about preservation with Teagarden
to further rehab from his past injuries or was he really hurt?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
They're both legitimate points
Most folks are anxious to just glaze over his awful offensive season in the minors as well.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 10, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Point of optimism
Don’t you think (or at least hope) his wrist injury last spring had a lot to do with that? When I’m less optimistic the K rates tell me the injury wasn’t the whole story.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Sure
but not enough that I’m not at least concerned about it. Sickels said it right. Teagarden shows some solid power and has a good approach at the plate. It’s just hard to know at this point whether he’s going to hit 230 or 270.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 10, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Which is why I have yet to figure out why he is perceived to have more value than Salty'
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I think because there’s not much question that he’s a good catcher; it’s just whether or not he’ll actually play a lot of games behind the dish (either because of injury or his bat not making him an everyday player; although I think that the general weakness of catcher’s bats alleviates most of the worry about the latter).
If Salty can’t catch his value will take more of a hit as pretty much everybody has at least one defensively challenged masher that they can stick at 1B/DH
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
This is why
some of us are advocating keeping both and letting them sort out who can handle the position on a regular basis, whether it’s a matter of staying healthy (both of them have struggled to do this), to hit major league pitching, or to play average or better defense. And that goes for Max Ramirez too.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I wouldn’t dispute that course as the safest for the Rangers at the position, only that it hurts the total trade value of the other guy (who winds up with less playing time) and thus does not maximize resources (by trading the guy they think won’t develop).
Ideally any organization has a good idea of what to expect from it’s own players and can then maximize their total resources by “selling high.” As with any investment, minimizing risk also minimizes returns.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
True
You would hope that we already know who we want behind the plate for the next 10 years.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
First of all, this is a bit of a unique case. These are high profile prospects with big question marks. No matter how good of an evaluator you are, you can’t always know whether a player is going to take those last steps, and these two are good examples of players whose futures just aren’t quite mapped out yet.
Second, ideally, yep. Ideally the teams who had Jeff Bagwell and Josh Hamilton and Carlos Quentin and Michael Young and Francisco Liriano and Joe Nathan and Grady Sizemore and Dan Uggla and Adrian Gonzalez and Ryan Ludwick and Jeremy Guthrie and Joakim Soria and Bobby Jenks, etc., etc. go relatively cheaply. It is inherent in any situation like this that there is a trade-off. It is quite obvious that you are potentially giving up something when you trade one as well as when you keep both. Quite obviously, when I say that I would keep both, I’m not discounting the downside that you might keep the right one and trade the dud (your scenario presumes that one will be good and one won’t). The thrust of what I’m saying is that it’s too risky of a situation – yes, even for experienced professionals who I have some faith in – to take that chance, particularly given that no one is offering you anything particuarly compelling.
I am one of the people who were catching grief before you started catching grief here for saying that the Sox were right to not deal Buchholz for one of our catchers, and that some of the other names were relatively reasonable. But at the same time, those other names aren’t enticing enough – in my opinion and apparently in the Rangers’ opinion – that the risk is worth taking.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 10, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Bad minor league stats
but a stud in The Show.
His injuries may have taken a greater toll on him (especially earlier in the season) than we were led to believe, given how well he played in September.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
stud in The Show?
Very small sample size don’t you think? Let’s see what he can do for a full year in “The Show”
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
47 ABs
and he had a 5 BB / 19 SO ratio to go with the small sample.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 10, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I knew it was a limited number of AB's
I didn’t realize it was that low.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
Very, very small sample size yes
but he demonstrated he’s ready to play in The Show…if healthy.
I’m more worried about Nelson Cruz than I am Taylor Teagarden.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Brandon McCarthy showed hes ready to play in The Show
if healthy
Do you have the same confidence in him as you do in Teagarden?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The confidence I have regarding
McCarthy is that his body will once again break down if he once again tries to be a starter in The Show.
Are my feelings regarding McCarthy & Teagarden inconsistent? Yeah, Teagarden has taken baby steps in the right direction while McCarthy has not.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Any player can get hot at the right time
TT just found a extremely hot groove when he came up that is all nothing more nothing less. Let’s not get carried away.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
Why not worry more about Cruz
After all, Teagarden had 47 ABs and Cruz, you know, only got 115.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Cruz is a lot older than Teagarden.
Bill James tells us that age is probably the biggest factor in evaluation of players.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
That's right
That’s why a 25 year old Teagarden and 26 year old Boggs are going to be so awesome next year
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
As a 26 year old,
Nelson Cruz put up a .261 OBP in 130 pa’s.
Cruz failed to make not one but shitty teams that needed OFs out of spring training the last two years and every single team in MLB passed on him last April.
I feel much better about the long-term major league futures of Boggs & Teagarden than Nelson Cruz.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Well yeah
I don’t think that most people are counting on Cruz, though, like they are Teagarden.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'm one of Teagarden's biggest proponents
but he’s also going thru his rookie year in 2009 with a pitching staff that gave up 967 runs and he’s playing for the dumbest manager in baseball.
It’s probably not going to be an oil painting but long-term I like his chances.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Logic fail.
WTF does either the pitching staff or the manager have any bearing on TT’s chance at success?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
dont you know
there is no such thing as a good player on a bad team…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 10, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Further reason for me believe Teagarden might wind up a Kelly Shoppach-type superbackup
I’ve always been more concerned about his bat, but I wasn’t aware he’d been unable to catch on back-to-back days like that last year. Wow.
Color me even more pessimistic regarding Teagarden than I was before.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
Now wait a minute, careful with your wording.
He said he didn’t catch on back to back days very often, not that he was unable to. It makes you wonder why they didn’t have him do it more often, but it does not equal proof that he is unable. He caught back to back 31 times.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Teagarden
It’s disingenuous of Law to point out that Teagarden caught back-to-back games only 31 times without also mentioning that he gave up a full month of the season for the Olympics and split time with two other catchers in September. His poor offensive numbers are fair game though.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Feb 10, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
ARod stats
Taking the ballpark factor out of the equation -
1998-2000 with Seattle he hit 74 HR in 217 road games (6 in Arlington)
2001-2003 with Texas he hit 70 HR in 241 road games (7 in Seattle)
don’t see a lot of evidence that he wasn’t “enhancing” prior to his arrival here
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
linky
you can do all kind of sorting and searching here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rodrial01&year=c
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 10, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'm lazy
Some numbers I posted yesterday in another thread
5 yrs with Seattle .576 ops
3 yrs with Rangers .615
5 yrs with Yankees .573
The numbers support ARod’s contention that he only did PEDs when with the Rangers. Or his increased ops could be just due to the ballpark.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
his slg stats were markedly higher at home vs on the road
2001 .677 vs .567
2002 .700 vs .547
2003 .621 vs .577
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 10, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
His best seasons came as a Yankee.
He posted OPS+ of 173 and 177 in 2005 and 2007, respectively.
I think Posnanski has a nice idea to take the top 10 best seasons of a player when considering their merit for Hall of Fame status, because there is so much variability from year to year. In ARod’s case, the top years would be as a Yankee, Yankee, Mariner, Ranger and Mariner (tie), Ranger, Yankee.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
That's one interpretation of the data
You might just as well say you don’t see a lot of evidence that his juicing had any effect at all.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
true
but his numbers showed a significant decline after he got “caught” in 2003
2004-2006 with NY he hit 56 HR in 220 road games
of course he had a monster year in 2007 so who knows/cares
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 10, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Don't use road splits as a proxy for true talent/ performance level
A lot of data gets lost in the noise, especially with an unbalanced divisional schedule.
I think it’s a lot more likely that he’s been juicing longer than he admitted to; his admission seems to be too convenient and hampered by subtle dodges of liability for my tastes.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
But does it really matter when he used?
It won’t make one bit of difference in the long run. It’s just the fact that he did that gets people all riled up.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
It depends
on your interest I suppose. I don’t particularly care, but I am interested in the truth.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
You can't handle the truth
haha
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 10, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Given A*Rod’s predilection for trannys, you’re probably right.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
heh
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 10, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
flip side
he was “enhancing” since day 1
..somebody had to say it lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 10, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if anyone has looked into this 'neck injury' thing. I did a quick search and
it turns out that taking large amount of testosterone can cause neck stiffness. I was completely unaware of that. Here is a body-building web board that discusses this very thing.
Let’s see. There are recent incidents of “stiff neck” keeping ARod out of the lineup.
Sept 13, 2008:
Alex Rodriguez has been scratched from the New York Yankees’ lineup with a stiff neck.
Rodriguez was batting fourth and playing third base in the opener of a day-night doubleheader against the Tampa Bay Rays on Saturday before the switch.
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Also, steroids can lead to stomach ailments.
ARod was out a couple of times in 2005 with sudden stomach ailments. Could be food poisoning, could be something else like steroids.
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Steroids
Can also cause death.
Obviously, everyone not currently alive was juiced.
by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
steroids can also cause
media hyperbole. Rooster, I don’t see the point in your posts, he already admitted he did steroids, why are you looking for evidence?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Do steriods cause you to find hideous, dude-esque 50 year olds attractive?
Or is that really just because A Rod is such a weirdo? I’d hope there was something unnatural to blame for that chapter.
by FuturePants on Feb 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not taking it too well that he's only pointing to his Rangers' years as the dirty ones.
Also, I was struck by the details of his storyline when he described why he stopped in 2003. I really didn’t know that a stiff neck was not uncommon with heavy testosterone use. (I find it interesting that he refers to it as a “neck injury”. I normally think of injuries as something sustained from some trauma rather than a chemical imbalance.) It seems like a credible story in light of the fact that even body-builders have to take breaks from training to deal with it, and there is no other sport in which training regimens are more tightly adhered to than body-building.
ARod is trying really hard to limit the damage to his Rangers years. It appears the clear headed journalists (Rosenthal in particular) are skeptical of his story that he has been clean as a Yankee, which is a good thing. I posted my initial comment because I didn’t know a stiff neck had anything to do with testosterone. I felt like throwing a few more tea leaves out there for everyone to read as they will with the stomach issues.
Perhaps it’s not even necessary as ARod seems to discredit himself over and over again in his interview. My opinion of ARod is that I now have to assume that ARod didn’t quit PEDs, he just got smarter about how to cover their detectability.
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If I may
I think the point is that he admitted to use in a limited amount and in a limited time frame, and there are those who don’t believe him so they look for correlations or clues that indicate he’s lying. If there’s proof that he also used in SEA or NY, then the negative spotlight being cast upon the Rangers clubhouse could be shared a little.
Personally, I don’t care what he put in his body, but I do assume that he’s lying. That’s just the bed that liars make for themselves.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Re neck stiffness
That could also be from …. errr …. Madonna exposure?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 10, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
steroid also causes a big head
which fits ARod to a tee (literally if not physically)
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 10, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Norm discussing Hicks/ARod
right now.
Can’t imagine Norm will throw too much criticism towards Hicks…gotta have that annual big contribution to his charity.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 10, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
The White Sox signed the great Ben Broussard to a minor league deal:
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
Hicks...
Why does he think he’s so special that a blanket apology to all baseball fans and the entire baseball industry is insufficient for him.
What’s ARod gonna do? Is he gonna show up at everybody’s front door and say “Hi. My name is Alex. I made a list of everything bad I’ve ever done and, one by one I’m going to make up for all my mistakes. I’m just trying to be a better person.”
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by rooster on Feb 10, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Earl did when he won the lottery...
…Why can’t AROD?
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
He's won both the Rangers' and Yankees' lottery once.
The Rangers’ lottery is now defunct. He was the only winner.
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