Thursday morning things
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2009 8:07 AM CST
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Mike Hindman takes a lengthy look at Elvis Andrus, suggesting that Andrus would be well served by spending 4-6 weeks in AAA to start the season rather than jumping straight to the majors.
And that's about it this morning.
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Mike is always top notch
I agree with him 100% on this one
Yep
it seems to be a no-brainer. I do wonder though if FFace will throw another pissy fit.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 12, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Doubt it
because when they send Andrus down they will say it’s for just a short while for polishing or some such. It will be clear to everyone that he’ll be up soon.
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What happens if he bombs in AAA?
If he has a rough stretch to start the season, that complicates things quite a bit.
Whenever it happens
I hope that Arias is the one bumped from the 40. His spot has been idle for too long and the system has overtaken him…
JD
I think he has aplan for Andrus and it includes time at OKC. As for MY, I can’t see him having a problem if Vizquel is at SS.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I don't think you'll hear anything else from
Michael Young regarding his move to 3B.
Yeah, he squawked initially about the move but he didn’t respect the person who told him this was going to happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I've had bosses in the past that I didn't respect...
but, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to realize that my view of things from below isn’t the same as the view from above. Put another way, just because I don’t respect my boss doesn’t mean he’s not deserving of respectful treatment, nor does it mean that I am correct in my judgement.
if JD’s job, at this point, is to make the hard decisions that will build this team into something long-term, it is inevitable that people with a different agenda will look unfavorably at many of his actions. MY wants to win now, and doesn’t see the trades of Tex, etc the same way as someone with a longer-term view would.
Put even another way, it isn’t JD’s job to earn the respect of the players; it’s his job to build a sustainable, successful team. If he fails at that, then he won’t be around too much longer. He has this year and next to se his plan come to fruition, or Mr. A.D.D. Hicks will change course again.
by bking on Feb 12, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
you are probably older (and infintiely more mature) than mike young
some other people on the board…
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
If JD had built a sustainable successful team
like say, Theo Epstein has in Boston or AFreedman has in Tampa, instead of the mess we’ve had to endure the last three years, he’d get a lot more public respect from the leader of the team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I also think part of Young's initial resistance (other than pride) to this is
because he knows Andrus (who turned 20 years old last August) is simply not ready.
Down the road, Andrus may be a good player (he’s polarizing to a lot of people who have seen him play) but I wouldn’t have him up here until 2011 or September 2010 at the very earliest.
Bringing up Andrus at this time smirks of a GM anxiously trying to make his mark on the team and justifying his trade of a HOF player in his prime (and that hasn’t worked out very well in the past 3 years).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I don't think...
…Michael Young knows jack about Elvis Andrus and whether or not he’s ready.
You should probably quit projecting your own opinions on the FOTF, and representing that they are his.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Precisely.
The only person who knows what Michael Young thinks of Elvis Andrus and Jon Daniels is Michael Young. To presume and speculate otherwise is beyond asinine.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
He's said as much
saying he doesn’t really keep track of prospects and doesn’t know much about him other than what he saw last year in spring training.
Ready or not ready
Young doesn’t care about Andrus being ready. It’s more likely that he was not personally ready to consider moving and expected it to happen a year or more in the future. Expecting to be treated like an aging player is not the same as having someone suddenly tell you, hey, it’s time for you to move over for the younger guy.
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Yeah
Which boils down to a question of ego, not MY’s (supposed) opinion of Elvis Andrus.
by FuturePants on Feb 12, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know but I would assume that Young
saw Andrus play SS at least one time last year in Surprise. Is that inconceivable?
On the surface, he also knows Andrus just turned 20 years old, made 30 something errors at AA and is nothing more than punch n’ judy hitter at this time.
He must think, “That’s who you are giving MY job to next year!?”
He also knows JD has been very anxious to put his brand on this team over the years and that the players he’s drafted or traded for seem to get the fast track to the bigs or multiple chances to fail.
No, I don’t know exactly how Michael Young feels about JD but it is very easy to see why he has no respect for him and why he treated him like he did during this past off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Does he speak in third person or is that the word my?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Do you think Young respects JD?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm just asking about this sentence
"That’s who you are giving MY job to next year!?"
Just curious if that is M.Y. or my
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
my as in my position
and not in the third person.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
How many baseball players total
Do you think respect their “respective” GM.
In the words of Ceej Wilson. Basball players are pretty much D-bags for the most part. I’m sure none of them really respect the people who just wear suits and sit in luxury boxes all day determining where guys live and how much money they make
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 12, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I have no idea
but I’d guess most of the good teams respect the judgment of their GMs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
In public, I bet that's true
but I’m not sure that most players respect the judgment of their GMs after they ask for something like 6 million in arbitration and the GM only offers 4.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
You mean like Jordan and Pippen
with Jerry Krause in the 90’s
Or like the Stars
felt about their GM last year?
He picked a fight with the FOTF and it didn’t work out too well for him.
As soon as he was gone, the Stars started winning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
These weren't fightin' words
JD brought. It was a boss’ order, not a personal shot.
The fact is, the team should be able to play regardless of bitterness toward the GM. The Bulls sure did. If the Stars were slacking because of feelings toward the GM, who is to blame for that?
Bingo
“I have no idea.” Just leave it at that.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
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that the players he’s drafted or traded for seem to get the fast track to the bigs or multiple chances to fail
Who has JD drafted that has been in the big leagues and/or gotten multiple chances to fail? Maybe there are some specific examples to which you are referring? Murphy has been competent, Gabbard was sent away, Max Ramirez was fine in his spot starts…
by FuturePants on Feb 12, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
On the surface, he also knows Andrus just turned 20 years old, made 30 something errors at AA and is nothing more than punch n’ judy hitter at this time.
as a question what kind of hitter does michael young think he is?
also, andrus defense > michael young defense last year.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
iirc
he said he didnt even know who andrus was at some point (or was that kinsler?)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Kinsler comparison
It may be rushed a bit, but, I’m thrilled we have the opening at SS.
I remember how fortunate the events were for Kinsler. When he got the chance, he proved he was ready for the jump. That’s what I expect here too.
Teix = HOF?
This is beyond schtick and hyperbole and has ventured into stupidity.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
No kidding.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Second best 1B in MLB
now in his prime and going from Backwater Baseball to the high profile NYC.
Lots of players during his time in The Show were probably guilty of using roids and won’t get in and if Tex puts up 500+ HRs and is clean, he’s going.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Check B-R.com
Nope:
HOF Standards: Batting – 24.0 (452) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting – 52.5 (354) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.
Welp, there’s one:
Similar Batters through Age 28
Carlos Delgado (935)
Kent Hrbek (925)
Fred McGriff (913)
Jim Thome (911)
Will Clark (910)
Jeff Bagwell (909)
Willie McCovey (906) *
Richie Sexson (904)
Shawn Green (901)
Paul Konerko (899)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Or summarized from a true Yanks Fan/Blogger:
Mark Teixeira
Black Ink: Batting – 2 (587) (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting – 38 (629) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting – 24.0 (452) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting – 52.5 (354) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Teixeira isn’t even in the conversation at this point. It’ll take a decade of dominance for him to put up HOF numbers for a first baseman.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I like looking at the overall comparable batters
Teix is somewhere between Miggy Cabrera and Richard Hidalgo. High praise indeed.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Which just goes to further the support...
…that we got an absolute steal from the Braves. Fine work by JD.
by FuturePants on Feb 12, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Mike E, how do you know this?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Check out MY's quotes in the LSB Almanac
under “Mike Young Agrees to Move to 3B and He Hates JD”.
The only thing MY has ever said about Andrus is that he likes that Andrus asks questions and he will be available to answer Andrus’ questions this spring.
If you want to argue that MY doesn’t think Andrus is ready, you have to also argue that MY isn’t being forthright in his public comments.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
and how do you know it did?
Again, you’re simply projecting your beliefs and feelings.
In my opinion, MY didn’t want to be moved because he thinks he’s a good ML shortstop. Regardless of who he was moving for, he would most likely be resistent unless it was for someone clearly better. As a rule, pro athletes NEVER think they are getting replaced by someone better; it’s just not in their DNA.
Do you really think
Hicks was going to pony up and give Tex what he was asking for? I don’t and neither did JD so JD traded him and got one hell of a deal one that should produce on the MLB level for sometime.
Let’s not get carried away calling Tex a HOF player just yet.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
I don't even think
Hicks should have given what he apparently wanted. He would not have stayed in TX for anything less than $200M. If someone offers you $140M in guaranteed money and you don’t take it, you don’t want to stay.
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The Hicks offer to Tex was $ 40 million below
market value.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
The Hicks offer
could have been taken by Teixeira and Boras as a starting point for negotiations if they had any intention whatsoever of staying in Texas. But my point in that post wasn’t that Teixeira was wrong in turning that down – he wasn’t. My point was I don’t think I’d be comfortable with TX committed to paying out $180M to one player over the next several years.
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Are you kidding me...
if you think there is any amount of $ that could have kept Teix and Boras from testing FA then you’re just stupid.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Josey needs to stop being a troll
or he might be EXPOSED
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 12, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Would he?
Do you really believe that if the Rangers had won 90 games last year Mike Young would have been much more willing to move than he has been? Do you really believe he wouldn’t have thrown the same fit? He would have just had another excuse. “We won 90 games and he’s asking me to move!” This isn’t about JD, it’s about Young’s ego.
I agree with your statement that we won’t hear anything else from Young about this. Your assertion, though, that this team losing has anything to do with his tirade is foolhardy at best. Let’s be honest.
x
Josey believes that one way JD is a failure is because he believes the players don’t respect him. Which is based on 1) a disgruntled former player’s unsubstantiated bare statement on the radio (Mench), and 2) Josey’s pure rage hatred for JD. Just ignore it.
It's called confirmation bias
Anything Josey hears or reads is automatically spun to somehow prove Daniels should be making donuts. Josey should be working for a PAC.
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The genius that is the Outlaw
I wish we had the sustainable successful team that the Rays had. You know, that one winning season of their’s. How can you compare that with what the Red Sox have done in recent years?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Not to mention
It took them almost a decade of failure to stockpile enough talent to make this 1 year run.
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 12, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
How long has Freedman (?) been
in Tampa?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
So he basically
Just married a woman who just spent ten years playing the lottery and finally won right before the wedding.
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 12, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Its Friedman
He was promoted from Director of Baseball development after the 2005 season
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
freedman
in tampa
sustainable?
they have how many winning seasons in their history?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Well said bking
JD’s job is to do what is best for the team and not to get the respect of his players.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Let's just get this year started.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
by rooster on Feb 12, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
I can’t wait for some good ole fashioned SGY GDT shock jockery…
Have any Ranger pitchers gone on the D L today? O K I'll check back in 10 minutes.
Yah looks like I won't be joining you in a name change
Since Salty appears to be safe with this team for the time being.
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 12, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
awwww change it and get it over with..
Salty won’t be here that much longer. How about Hammy goes yard because when Hammy goes yard in a walk off fashion you go yard also. I don’t know if I can take asking you any news on the baby every day for another month again…
Have any Ranger pitchers gone on the D L today? O K I'll check back in 10 minutes.
I must stay true to Salty!
But I damn sure can’t wait for the GDT’s to come back.
GDT’ers are the true underbelly of Lone Star Ball. We keep the place running, we don’t offer any fancy opinion. Just kneejerk reactions to plays that happen on the field and wild assumptions about what will happen next.
This place would fall apart without our hard work.
by SaltyGoesYard on Feb 12, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I’m ready for the GDTs to start up again…used to be a good group of people over at the NMLR forums for gamedays (Rodney, Gdawg, JVittas, etc), but it died out last season…guess everyone moved over here!
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by fightingengineer on Feb 12, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
We can cuss over here...
’Nuff said!
:)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
lol
This board is just so damn user friendly in the GDTs. Plus there’s more pictures here :D
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Auto refresh is cool
And not having to change pages every 20 posts or so.
Looking forward to the start of the season!
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by fightingengineer on Feb 12, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I don't often read the gameday threads, but when I do, I will say that your "DFA THAT BASTARD" protestations are some of my personal faves
Don’t let that bit die.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 12, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
DFA HIS ASS!
Is the more common phrasiology, I believe.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
GDT's....
are where we put players on the street or in the HOF with every swing of the bat!!
Woohoo!!!!!!
Adam J. Morris - "Murphy isn't that good. He is overrated by Rangers fans."
....How dare you, sir!! Take it back!!
As opposed to the non-GDT threads
where we only do that after a few days or so.
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Elvis vs. Omar
We might as well start Elvis in the majors. Vizquel is not gonna be able to cover nearly as much ground as Andrus, and Omar is probably gonna have a lower OBP and overall batting avg. I think that starting the season with Andrus is a great idea to show confidence in the youngster, and have Vivquel a filler if needed.
Given his age...
and the fact that he has never played at the AAA level, the Rangers wouldn’t be showing a lack of confidence in him by starting him at OKC.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Give me Elvis...
We didn’t ask Michael Young to move to third while E. Andrus takes time in OKC. If Andrus isn’t at SS on opening day, Michael Young better be.
by Sportsmoles on Feb 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
why
long term, FOTF is not the SS on this team. why does it matter if its andrus/vizquel/anyone
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Debating with a first post?
Sigh…I expect better of you, JL.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
i never even looked
i actually thought it was JW at first
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Is that you, Mike?
Are you lurking on our board, lobbying for you position back?
by NorCalRangersFan on Feb 12, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with MJH...
it seems like a lock that Andrus should start the year in OKC. Give him a couple months there. The added bonus is that the team will get an extra year out of him before he hits FA as well.
I just can’t see the logic in Elvis being the opening day starting SS right now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I don't see it with Andrus this year either.
I think Borbon would have a better shot at success than Andrus.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
That's not really the point
Will Andrus be better in 2010 by spending 2009 in AAA or by spending 2009 in the majors? It has nothing to do with succses in the majors in 2009.
It was my personal preference for MY to move to 3b and Andrus to spend the year at AAA because I want Andrus to spend more time working on plate discipline (like Borbon), but I can’t really say that moving Andrus to the majors in 2009 will hurt him in 2010. The decision to push a prospect is very player-specific, and I’m not sure we have enough information to make that call. Instead, it’s one of those decisions that, if it goes wrong, people will second-guess in hindsight (or you will second-guess in foresight simply because JD is making the decision, and then ignore the decision if it turns out well).
JD will get his due from
me if he ever starts making good well thought out decisions that help the big club in the long-term.
Hiring a dumb manager to run your club is something a few GMs have been guilty of in the past, so JD is not alone.
Being stubborn and then extending the contract of the dumbest manager in baseball is inexcusable.
JD is indeed, “A Ron Washington Man” to the core.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
1. Whenever you have no arguments, you just blatantly change the topic of conversation (such as moving from Andrus to complaining about Ron Washington).
2. You don’t even keep your own pomirses:
JD will get his due from me if he ever starts making good well thought out decisions that help the big club in the long-term.
Such as stockpiling the best collection of minor league prospects in all of baseball by investing in his scouting department, integrating his scouting department with major league operations, investing in latin american academies and prospects, drafting well over the last couple of years, targeting prospects in trade opportunities, and using low-cost free agents to increase future trade opportunities.
Yeah, none of those decisions help the big club in the long-term…
by cstorm15 on Feb 12, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those two bullet points are hardly a revelation.
They go back at least two versions of the NMLR board. But if YOU change the subject, then you’re taking your ball and going home. It’s not gonna change – just debate the issue until you lose interest and then move on.
You’re never, ever, not never, not ever gonna get him to knock his king over and leave the table.
He won't knock his king over
but he will move over to the next table and start playing someone else
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Moving Andrus to SS and Young to 3B
would seem to be JD’s call, right?
So if we’re talking about whether or not Andrus is ready to play SS in The Show, wouldn’t it make sense to discuss why JD feels he is ready or is that hijacking the thread?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
How does this have anything to do with promoting Andrus to the majors this year?
Hiring a dumb manager to run your club is something a few GMs have been guilty of in the past, so JD is not alone.
Being stubborn and then extending the contract of the dumbest manager in baseball is inexcusable.
JD is indeed, "A Ron Washington Man" to the core.
How is that even relevant or have anything to do with “why JD feels [Andrus] is ready”?
cstorm15
This is what you said -
“people will second-guess in hindsight (or you will second-guess in foresight simply because JD is making the decision, and then ignore the decision if it turns out well).”
That’s why I said JD will get credit from me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
* "credit from me when he starts
making well thought out decisions."
Bringing up Andrus is not a well thought out decision.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Then why didn't you say that?
Why did you respond to my points about Andrus by complaining about Washington? How was that even remotely relevant?
Anyways, I’m not sure you can say the decision isn’t well thought out. It is a risk, but it’s not necessarily a bad risk. I tend to prefer the safer approach of not pushing prospects, but then again, that means I would have kept Hanley Ramirez and Jose Reyes too long at AAA (and judging by your comments, you would have too).
Besides, getting back to my original point, you need to start thinking about how this move impacts Andrus’s performance in 2010, not 2009. 2009 does not matter.
Pushing prospects
has been a fundamental tenant of “WWNRD?”. He is very bullish on that concept…and of course he had to sign off on this idea, right?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I thought Nolan was bullish
on pushing his pitchers to higher limits.
If he was truly bullish on pushing his every day players we wouldn’t have an mfing spare like Gerald Laird starting 39 of this team’s last 53 games when you have much better prospects sitting on the bench.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
You can't argue with your demigod, can you?
“When you make a decision of this nature, there’s no crystal ball that tells you it’s the right time,” team president Nolan Ryan said. “But we feel like Elvis is ready, we feel like it’s the right time.”
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Rodney, any quotes from
Nolan regarding pushing prospects in general or is the only thing in your bag Elvis related?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
What difference does that make?
Nolan Ryan, your savior, and someone who believe knows something about talent evaluation, says that Andrus is ready.
Do you know more about talent evaluation than Nolan Ryan? Or is it that Nolan Ryan’s opinions are wrong only when they happen to agree with JD’s (even if that is always the case)?
Josey likes Nolan a lot
but even Nolan isn’t as right as Josey is.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Rodney said that Nolan
was all about pushing prospects…just wanted to see if he had a quote or link unrelated to Andrus to back it up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I know, I just wanted to jab you again for your bizarre Nolan love
The fact that, once again, Nolan disagrees with you makes me laugh.
I’m starting to wonder if there’s anything you and Nolan actually do agree on.
Probably very little
Just like how Josey loves Bill James but I’m pretty sure Bill James disagrees with just about every assessment Josey has made about the Rangers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
CStorm, Surely you disagree
with JD’s boneheaded trades with San Diego, Chicago, Washington and his bizarre hire/extension of Ron Washington, correct?
Those were all dumb ass moves and primary reasons why we’ve lost so much recently and why PECOTA thinks we’re going to suck it once again in 2009 yet you have a man-crush on JD and believe he has done a great job.
Just because I disagree with some of Nolan’s moves (namely bringing back JD & Wash), does not mean I think he has done a bad job.
Seriously, the Texas Ranger front office dumbassery came to an end or at least subsided on Feb. 1, 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
You have said countless times how stupid JD is for bringing Washington back and have used that as one of the main reasons for why JD sucks. So why does Nolan get a free pass here for not only bringing back Washington, but also bringing back Boy Blunder?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
The San Diego trade was terrible
The Washington trade was bad, and the Chicago trade was unfortunate. In hindsight, I’d like to undo all three moves (although San Diego was the only move I hated from the start).
There are plenty of things JD has done that I didn’t like. I didn’t like the Sosa signing, blocking Botts, the Mayberry pick, the Zito offer, the Hunter offer, the Justin Duchscherer series of trades, and of course the Michael Young extension, just to name a few.
The difference is that I like what direction the team is going now. JD’s first two years with the team were a failure, but since then he’s been a fairly good GM. That doesn’t mean I love JD, it just means I like what he’s done lately and I like the new direction of the team.
You however, don’t notice a difference. You think that the approach that led to JD trading away Adrian Gonzalez is the same approach JD is using today. That’s where we disagree.
The Mayberry pick and the Duscherer trades were not JD
Those were Harts moves
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Geez, you're right
Not even close, really. Duchscherer was traded in 2002. Mayberry Jr. was drafted the summer before JD took over.
Go ahead and replace those moves with the CAT signing. I didn’t like giving up the draft pick and I thought the deal was one year too long, but I had no idea CAT would be this terrible.
Don't even bother arguing with him
he’s already shown a willingness to mock JD and praise Nolan.
If we do well this year, it’s because Nolan came in and put an end to JD’s tomfoolery, and whipped those pitchers into shape.
If we do poorly, it’s because Nolan tried his best, but Blunder Boy managed to injure half our starting rotation and raise the ballpark temperature another 5 degrees.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Scott Feldman for 2010 AL Scott Feldman
2009 will matter if it
retards Andrus’ development.
I don’t know of anybody who considers Andrus to be anything close to Ramirez or Reyes.
I understand moving Young to 3B but I don’t understand the hurry to get Andrus to The Show this year when he’s this young.
This is a recipe for failure…long-term failure.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for that insightful analysis
Maybe you should back that up with some more Ron Washington quips?
Seriously, how is this a recipe for long-term failure? Specifically, how do you project Andrus’s development to play out if he plays 2009 in the majors instead of in AAA? And while we’re at it, previously you mentioned that Andrus should spend two years in the minors. What good would that do?
In 2011 Andrus would be
22 years old on Opening Day.
With a few exceptions, players who do well in The Show when they’re 20-21 years old are usually players who become stars or superstars in their careers.
They have the fundamental physical ability and talents to play the game at the highest level which is why they don’t drown. With age, physical maturity and experience comes eventual stardom.
Andrus is a polarizing player and hardly a slam-dunk to be a good player in the bigs if you read unbiased sources. To bring him up at the age of 20 when he has yet to conquer AA seems to be a ridiculous shortsighted and unnecessary gamble.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
"Andrus is a polarizing player"
Huh? The only person down on him suggesting if he’s not ready this April will be ready very, very soon is you. Your lone outlier opinion is hardly polarizing with regard to the entire community.
by FuturePants on Feb 12, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I know you think it is a gamble, but what is the gamble?
You obviously believe the scouting reports that Andrus is not the next Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, or even Edgar Renteria. I’m not as high on Andrus as most Rangers fans, so I might agree with you on Andrus as a prospect.
However, you need to flesh out this paragraph:
They have the fundamental physical ability and talents to play the game at the highest level which is why they don’t drown. With age, physical maturity and experience comes eventual stardom.
What is it about spending a year in the majors instead of a year at AAA that will make Andrus drown? If Andrus is going to struggle offensively, do you believe that Andrus will not be able to make adjustments at the major league level like he would at AAA? Do you believe that Andrus lacks mental fortitude, such that he’ll fall into a spiral of doubt and he’ll never recover as a prospect? Do you believe that Andrus lacks physical maturity?
The decision to push a prospect is very player-specific, and so far you’re not providing much about Andrus that suggests that he’ll flame out if promoted to the majors this year, as compared to struggle but learn at the major league level.
It’s not as simple as “he’s not old enough” or “he’s not as good as those other guys who were promoted when they were young.” If you’re going to proclaim that promoting Andrus is a recipe for long-term failure, then you need to back that up.
cstorm15
It’s been backed up. He’s too young and has yet to conquer AA ball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Josey, what do you do for a living?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 12, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing a telephone solicitor that calls repeatedly during the dinner hour
always with the same exact pitch. In other words like all other phone solicitors except he uses the phrase " the show " a lot
It has?
I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that if Andrus starts the years in the majors, he will flame out instead of just struggle for a year, or that the only way to save Andrus from flaming out is to keep him in the minors for 1-2 years.
I want evidence, not your opinions, because your opinoins suck.
If JD feels that he is going to be ready at any point this season...
then it’s in everyone’s best interests to make the MY move now, right?
hindsight issues with this move
It is risky. It is no surefire bet that Elvis is ever a ML hitter, guys with a similar minor league track record have turned into stars, and others have been big busts. In the event that he never becomes an above average overall SS at the ML level, people will always look back and claim that he was rushed and his development stunted. And I think that argument would have some legs.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
I think it only has legs
if Andrus shows he isn’t mentally ready to handle the jump to the Majors. That’s my biggest concern with rushing prospects. Some of them just aren’t ready to handle failure and aren’t ready to work hard and make the necessary adjustments. Its not easy knowing who those guys are though so I just have to trust the guys that have talked to these prospects and know exactly what’s going on with them off the field. With Andrus, all I’ve ever heard is that he is ready in that aspect of his game. If he becomes a bust , I think its because he just wasn’t good enough rather than being rushed to the Majors. JMO though.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
JD on The Ticket right now.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
JD says he feels good about this upcoming season
after Norm asked him if he was “crossing his fingers about this upcoming season.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
JD also believes that ARod
owes Tom Hicks an apology.
A true corporate survivalist.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
well had he said arod didnt have to say im sorry, JW would have blasted JD for not backing up hick
but since he did say he should give him an apology, hes a survivalist
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Unless JD goes on the radio and says the following:
1. I am a useless tool in over my head.
2. I am stealing money every day I come to work
3. I have set this franchise back decades with my deals.
Unless he says each and every one of these things, JW will not give him the slightest credit for anything. Even then, I suspect there would be a significant hedge about HOW he said it.
bking, all he needs to do is start making decisions that
directly help the big club win games consistently.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Oh, but if only that were true...
You’ve already positioned yourself to claim that any ML improvements are solely due to Nolan Ryan reining him in.
The fact that the last year has gone smoothly on the trade front is all because of Nolan, right?
Even the real Josey Wales eased up on Fletcher at some point…..
If I recall correctly,
Fletcher felt bad about leading those Confederate soldiers astray and to their deaths because he’d (unwittingly) gone back on his word.
Haven’t watched that show in a while but upon further review, Clint should have found somebody hotter than Sondra Locke for that role. Not the first man to make judgments under the glaze of what he perceived to be dynamite P.
I don’t think it’s coincidental that the front office dumbassery ended on Feb.1, 2008 but I will acknowledge when I see a good long-term move by JD that helps the team.
Calling up Andrus is JD’s baby all the way with backing from Nolan (who is letting JD do his job as long he doesn’t wanna trade more young pitching or spend $ 9 million on garbage like Broussard/Jennings/ Fukomori).
Blame/Credit for whatever happens to Andrus will go to JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
You DO have to wonder what hold Sondra Locke had on him...
Any resemblance between her and a real actress must surely be coincidental.
But back on les creepy things:
I’d agree completely that Andrus’ success in the next two years, along with the arrival and success of some young pitching in that same timeframe, will define & decide JD’s future. I’m prepared (obviously) to cut JD more slack than you for the “let’s keep sort of competing” years and the trades that marked those 2 years, but this plan to build from within is clearly his baby, and the next two years will be telling. That’s why I’m OK with Andrus breaking in this year (although I favor giving him a month or so at AAA); when 2010 arrives, he should be settled and ready to contribute to the team as a key player.
Correlation to movie scripts
Isn’t necessarily all about how they are enacted. A good story can be completely fuzzled up by overemoting, deadpanning, or the like. Now with respect to baseball: who on earth feels so entitled that their team has to outperform everybody in the baseball arena?
All baseball GM’s are faced with 1) not totally blowing it, 2) improving where and when they can, and 3) managing assets so as to emphasize strengths and diminish weaknesses. None are perfect, and all are subject to the on the job performance of the players in their organization. OK, none of that is new or particularly revealing. But I can’t, or rather won’t, sit as a judge over the execution of GM duties until and unless that GM fails impressively to meet even their own least expectations. John Hart is probably a good man, but first messed up the Rangers’ system then shank from accoutability to his owner, his field management, and maybe to fans of the team. That’s how far down the scale of admire versus loathe one has to get before I castigate and criticize. And both apply, one can castigate but even still should not set himself up as critic until he provably has better ideas than a GM implements, and shows success in the basis for those three evaluative criteria above.
The scale of setting expectations versus adjudging performance against those expectations takes more than opinion, and even more than accumulative data. It takes insight into clear understanding of what the organization’s goals are, and a rational and objective view of progress against those goals.
So I don’t need even Jamey’s grain of salt on a considerable amount of commentary to digest it. True, I learn more than I deliver in these discussions. Then discard the parts that are not useful nor do they recalibrate my point of view with better information.
Go’menesai if this is too much stump sermon. Had to out it.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 12, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ed, You have a writing style
that gives the appearance of something very deep and meaningful even if you’re just listening to your own head rattle.
That’s a compliment.
You are the one poster in here, over at NMLR or at the underappreciated and underrated BBTIA whose posts I have to digest 2-3 times and then I have to scratch my head and read it again to see if there is another meaning within your layer of writing.
Reading one of your typical posts is a lot like watching The Wizard of Oz.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I view this year (and probably next year as well)
as having to watch the after-birth of a lot of really bad far-reaching decisions JD made in the past.
These are the consequences when you make bad decisions on young pitching and hire the wrong the manager.
There’s a chance I could be talked into Andrus being spoonfed some playing time in the bigs next year but I think this year is just too much, too soon, given his age and how Andrus played in AA ball.
The JD bullshit detector went off with me when he said “We just wanna get all our championship caliber players lined up”…that told me something else was in play and that there was another reason this decision was made.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I'm going to try and agree with Josey
I view this year (and probably next year as well) as having to watch the after-birth of a lot of really bad far-reaching decisions JD made in the past.
I’ll go ahead and agree with this. Had JD started in 2005 what he implemented in 2007, then we we would be two years ahead in our redevelopment plan and likely contending. As it is, we probably won’t contend this year, but 2010 and beyond should be the after-birth of several good JD decisions.
That said, if we had kept Chris Young and John Danks, for example, we probably wouldn’t be true contenders (accounting for the fact they probably wouldn’t have performed as well here as they did in San Diego and Chicago). And in either scenario, we still wouldn’t have Teixeira.
The JD bullshit detector went off with me when he said "We just wanna get all our championship caliber players lined up"…that told me something else was in play and that there was another reason this decision was made.
I’ll agree with this. JD couldn’t come out and say that Young needed to move to 3b to improve the infield defense (as history as proven, Young is a whiny baby, so he probably wouldn’t have taken such a statement well at all) or that Young needed to move because we didn’t have any other options at 3b. In fact, I’m not sure why anyone would expect JD to tell the truth in such a situation.
Just a quibble
Two years earlier can’t assume that the specific players brought into the system would be the same, or rated quite as highly. Thing is, can’t transpose events in time. Accepting the keep of Young and Danks, maybe so, maybe not. And (to me), even if the two pitchers did well, given the difference in parks and adjustment made for John D by the ChiSox, that wouldn’t necessarily put the Rangers into contention on a wins gained basis. Not to mention wins against whom, or versus in-Division opponents.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 12, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
And perhaps, just perhaps
there is no way Daniels could have convinced Hicks to fully buy into a long term development plan that early. Maybe the losing was “necessary” in that sense, to make it painfully obvious to everyone in the front office and especially to Hicks, that it needed to be done.
Luckily, when the time came:
1. The team had some good trade chips to bring back value
2. changes and improvements had already been made in the scouting department and latin areas
3. a good draft team was already in place
4. they had let some free agents go the year before, stockpiling picks.
With all that in place, when it was time to go into rebuilding mode, the team was able to restock the minor league system very quickly.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Yeah. An apology to Hicks is BS.
Due diligence are the words I have for Hicks if he really thinks he could sit in a climate-controlled patio room and find out from ARod in not-so-many-words whether steriods was an issue. If he fails to do his due diligence, no one owes him an apology other than himself.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
Just to be clear
Do you figure it wasn’t enough for Hicks to just ask Alex? To take Alex at his word?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 12, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah. I think Hicks is being really, really naive if he thinks he can just ask ARod
and expect to know what actually is really doing. That’s true of any player.
If it was critical to Hicks and the way the Rangers organization would be built that ARod in particular was a clean player, it’s his responsibility to do some extra work and make sure that part of his plan is unlikely to be undermined by ARod.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
Hicks' position, which I agree with, which might be even more un-naive
Money talks.
If somebody’s paying you a quarter of a bill, and you lie to them during the transaction, you owe an apology. Minimum.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 12, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
LSB group projectile vomits
JD also believes that ARod owes Tom Hicks an apology.
Reminds me of when Giambi’s contract was rated terrible by LSB, then Jamey posted Grady Fuson’s quote about what a wonderful hitter Giambi is.
Sometimes LSB cannot see past its own nose.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder what the over/under for wins is in JDs mind.
I’ve got it at 79.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
Currently constructed,
I’m looking for reasons to believe this thing won’t lose at least 90 games.
No, it’s not shtick. Remember, I would always much rather be correct in my assessments than take an opportunity to kick the organization in the nuts.
I am doing what I can to keep an open mind about this team and will wait until March for a prediction but there is a Bad Moon Risin’ over Arlington this summer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh
Remember, I would always much rather be correct in my assessments than take an opportunity to kick the organization in the nuts.
Your “correct” evaluation IS you kicking the organization in the nuts. Just spare us.
by FuturePants on Feb 12, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
So we're supposed to ignore what PECOTA
thinks of the Rangers in ’09?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Losing 90 games in 2009 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world
We’d net another high draft choice and eliminate the temptation to make trade away prospects at the deadline.
However, if our young players develop like one would expect, we should be able to avoid 90 losses.
Your problem is that you’re treating 2009 like 2009 is the goal.
Nolan said
he expects this team to “not only compete but contend for the division title” in 2009.
No link, heard him on a Ticket ticker the other day.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
What is he supposed to say?
“I think we’re going to suck more dick this year than we did last year.”?
Everybody says that fluff. In this economy, every front-office-related person and player has to say things like “this upcoming season will be exciting” so the team can keep fans coming to the park. I don’t think the team plans to win this year — I think they’re targeting 2010 — but taking every statement at face value like this for one person, while over-analyzing statements made by others is absurd.
Just Sunday Night
…on Dale Hansen, JD re-emphasized that 2010 and 2011 are the goal, not 2009. As much of a blowhard as Hansen is, JD stuck to it and basically said that they would struggle this year somewhat but less than last year, but not to expect great things this summer.
by FuturePants on Feb 12, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty surprising.
But even still, struggling somewhat less than last year is improvement. I doubt that most casual baseball fans realize how weak the division looks to be this year, and that we might end up lucking in to playoff contention, though.
I remember hearing JD a few times on interviews
where he has said that, but he always has added to that that there is a chance for it all to come together early.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Yeah
Of course he tries to retain optimism for winning this year, but even in the (very large) face of Dale Hansen’s silly questioning, JD said many times that they are shooting for 2010, not 2009.
Then you are an idiot for believing him
And if that’s Nolan’s goal (to win in 2009), then Nolan will be a failure if the team loses 90 games.
It’s much more likely that Nolan is doing his real job: trying to sell tickets.
Well, the pitching is likely to be better than last year.
The number of runs given up by the Rangers 2000-2008 is 974, 968, 882, 969, 794, 858, 784, 844, and 967. The upper-900s runs allowed years aren’t persistent. I think there would have to be either a lot of pitching injuries or really big-time tanks by CD and Cruz to have a 90-loss season. Even if the pitching does get dinged heavily, the Rangers have a higher quality cache of near-ML ready pitchers to bring up for short stints.
The only trouble I have with how JD is approaching this year is the emphasis on 2010. I think it is a huge mistake to put so much emphasis on a single year, especially when it isn’t the current year. The Andrus thing is the least of the Rangers’ concerns for 2010, IMO. They still have to upgrade the top 2 of their rotation. Sheets might be available, but, really, it looks like the only way it will happen by 2010 is to trade for 2 top-tier SP.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
Believes FX2 & Ceej
full seasons will help make up for the 60 innings the BP lost.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Bleah, now all steriod/Arod shit.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Yep, steroid crap
and JD giving political “we need to move forward” answers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda worthless, wasn't it?
Less than 2 days from Pitchers & Catchers??? Damn, talk about the game, not the crap in the news.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Yeah
pretty pointless. I wanna konw about ST, not what he would do if the steroid list was released…..lame….
-Feldman '12
"Bush also yelled "I'm Matt (expletive) Bush," and "(expletive) East County," before driving over a curb in his Mercedes when leaving the campus"
by Martijn1309 on Feb 12, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
He also
mentioned Madrigal as being someone that can help absorb those innings.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Oh yeah...
I was multitasking then.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Kinda misleading. Discussion’s on the table…
Carry on.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 12, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Damn do I hate Yankee fans...
commenterwrote:
I hope he doesn’t stay with Texas an Signs with the Yankees, the yankees could use a power hitting outfielder. The Yankees whole outfield is going to be different next year Damon free agent, Nady free agent, center field job wide open an matsui free agent. Hamilton an his story would be much more appericiated with a good team an a lot more people would give him more credit for what kind of talent he really is. BRING HAMILTON TO NEW YORK!!!
2/12/2009 3:15:43 PM
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I can understand wanting your team to sign Hamilton
but does he realize that its going to be 4 years until the Yankees have a chance to do that?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
It sure doesn't seem that way...
sounds like he’s talking about next year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
x
does he realize that its going to be 4 years until the Yankees have a chance to do that?
Not a chance, just like when during the Home Run Derby last summer Berman was blustering that “THE ONLY REASON THESE PEOPLE ARE CHEERING IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE WILL BE A YANKEE IN TWO YEARS!!!!”
Vomits
Berman's a smart guy
After all, listen to this genius mastermind plan
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Sports psych
Kinda interesting what I’ve read so far, Bob Tewksbury is a sports psychologist for Boston.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5931
Came up on SOSH in connection to Buccholz.
Go Strangers.
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