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Kevin Goldstein's top 100 prospect list

Kevin Goldstein runs down his top 100 prospects...

Six Rangers make the list. 

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Wow. Derek Holland at 40.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

And Andrus at 73.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Andrus at 73 doesn't shock me.

Holland at 40 does a little. Even with only one year of good baseball, Golstein has slobbered over him so much I’m surprised one year wasn’t enough for him to put him higher.

by philkid3 on Feb 13, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah,

I had forgot Goldstein’s Andrus hate when I posted that.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Andrus hate?

Having him in the top 100 prospects is hate?

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 13, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well hate is to strong,

I should have said that he’s nearly as hign on him compared to some other guys.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering his best year

is a .775 OPS (Rookie ball at 16) and his average year is a .704 OPS and he has been consistent in the minors having an error every 3 or 4 games at all levels, it may be the guys who have him higher is wrong. So far, all you can mark him up for is tools and his age. He hasn’t exactly lit it up on the field yet.

I’ll be happy if MJH is right, and he becomes Tony Fernandez or Renteria. That would be exceptionally good.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 13, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be exceptional.

I might be higher on Tony Fernandez than the average joe, but I’ve got him as a borderline Hall of Fame case (probably the best shortstop I probably wouldn’t put in ever).

And Renteria might get in, but mostly for playing so long he’d get to 3,000 hits. I probably wouldn’t put him in, but still a good player for a long time.

by philkid3 on Feb 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I am a little surprised

that he ranked him a little on the low end, since he was on him so much earlier than other national sources. BA will have him in the 20s if their three top 50s are a correct indication.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably just needs a couple more months in the upper levels

to gain more respect, huh?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Guess you were right about Bowden not making his top 30

#31

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

And Bard at 97

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?

by Brian Thomas on Feb 13, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember

Also, this is the second reputable source that has Bowden ranked higher than Holland. Someone remind me why we shouldn’t trade from our catcher surplus to get this guy + a nice RP prospect?

"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve

by tricer on Feb 13, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

title

was supposed to be “Yeah, I seem to remember several posters being pretty adamant that Goldstein wouldn’t have him near that high”. Of course, my memory is shady at times.

"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve

by tricer on Feb 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Trades

I’ve said all along i’d take bowden and bard/hagadone

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Feb 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm at the point where I'd take Bowden/Hagadone

Whether they threw in Bard or not.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 13, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I meant either bard or hagadone as the second player

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Feb 13, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

Well I’m not fine with Bard as the second player. Not a fan on one-pitch relievers with a history of horrible control issues. Give me Hagadone of give me death.

I’m not even sure I’d want Masterson as the second player. Kam Loe redux.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 13, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Simple

He is at 31 b/c he is a sure fire guy to be a solid player.

The problem is that no one thinks he can be anything more than a #3 starter, and that has questionable value for a catcher. Id be more inclined to take a chance on a younger guy with a higher ceiling than a guy like Bowden

by Horns130 on Feb 13, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He is so not sure fire to be a solid player.

See: Kennedy, Ian.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ian Kennedy

Really hasn’t been given a true, fair opportunity

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if you're being serious or not, but my point is that no one who's yet to pitch in the big leagues (outside of one spot start) is a sure fire anything.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Halfway serious

But, yeah, I definitely agree.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Cool

Feliz – 6
Smoak – 22
Holland – 40
Main – 66
Beltre – 68 (!)
Andrus – 73

I thought Price was going to be 1. I don’t really know much about Wieters, though.
Also, they really like Beltre and Main!

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Feb 13, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

The interesting part

Is that Beltre is at the very least 33 spots higher than Julio Borbon. Hmm…

by Andy Seiler on Feb 13, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I was stunned by the Beltre location.

He’s getting an awful lot of love for a guy who’s never been above A-ball. Not saying I’m complaining; I’m just reserving judgment.

My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.

by ghtd36 on Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

In general...

His rankings seem to go by the innocent until proven guilty theory. Guys on the wrong side of AA, who haven’t had their flaws as openly exposed, are kind of celebrated. Examples:

14. Mike Stanton
15. Tim Beckham
20. Michel Inoa
45. Wilin Rosario (!)

by Andy Seiler on Feb 13, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

Smoak is ranked higher than LaPorta and Alonso. Nice.

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Feb 13, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

he's real high on beltre

surprised me a little

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Feb 13, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

Why is Brignac ahead of Andrus?

I’ve read that Brignac is basically Bartlett with a little more pop.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Brignac

I really see him busting. I don’t think he’ll be a starter in the bigs for more than a season.

by Andy Seiler on Feb 13, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Very surprised to see Beltre over Adenhart and others

by thedudeabides on Feb 13, 2009 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

Adenhart REALLY sucked last year.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Pedro Alvarez #4?

That seems a little crazy to me….

by JBImaknee on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

goldstein was always high on him

LONG time

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Goldstein

definitely has his own opinion on some of these guys. A lot of surprising choices in the top 30 or so.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

A few things surprise me...

No Martin Perez . No Julio Borbon. Engel Beltre that high and ahead of Andrus. Derek Holland at 40 (should be in the 25-30 IMO). The high rankings of Stanton and Inoa bother me.

by Michael Cave on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I realized that after posting it. Who do you think is the most polarizing Rangers prospect? Michael Main or Andrus to me

by Michael Cave on Feb 13, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

andrus

far and away i think

keep in mind that a LOT of this main talk stems from this offseason (i have to remind myself)

MAYBE beltre also

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

It's either Andrus or Borbon.

And lately probably more Andrus, but both of them really for the same reasons.

I think Lemon’s a little polarizing, too.

And Teagarden and Ramirez as a pair are up there.

by philkid3 on Feb 13, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is surprising

considering how high he seems to be on Beltre

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the big distinction

is Beltre’s power potential. For me, Andrus has really moved to another planet in his pitch recognition and patience at the plate, but we know from KG’s other comments that he does not view Andrus highly in that regard either.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I have Beltre ahead of Andrus

and I’m a pretty big Andrus guy. Elvis’s upside is something like Edgar Renteria or Tony Fernandez. Beltre’s upside is something like Carlos Beltran or Junior Griffey. If you prioritize “upside” over “likelihood of reaching it” like I do (and Kevin does for the most part), then you’ll go with Beltre over Andrus. The one that baffles me is Holland.

by mjh on Feb 13, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike, did you ever put out your rankings?

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

your RSS feed abilities failed you

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Feb 13, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Good thing I ceded my crown.

Sounds like the damn thing’s broke…

lol

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Feb 13, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Beltre

I’m a fan of his upside, but he really just hasn’t shown enough of it yet for me to take him over andrus.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Feb 13, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm suprised he's got Andrus on there

And not Max or Teagarden.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m a pretty big Portillo guy, which I’m sure wouldn’t surprise anyone, but there is no way I’d take him over Perez right now.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Portillo does show up in Eugene this summer. I bet he’d be higher on next year’s top 100 if he put up similar numbers to Perez in the NWL in 2009.

by Andy Seiler on Feb 13, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Would you take Inoa over M-Per? Right now, I mean.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Whi is M-Per?

?

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Feb 13, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Whi is E-Cof?

?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Heheh

Probably a rarely diagnosed respiratory disease.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Feb 13, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Martin Perez.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I'd take Perez

over Portillo, though.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Feb 15, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

thoughts

this made me happy:

22. Justin Smoak, 1B, Rangers
23. Trevor Cahill, RHP, Athletics
24. Brett Anderson, LHP, Athletics

im actually quite suprised matt domingueez is that far ahead of brett wallace, i guess he REALLY doesnt think wallace ends up a 3b?

greg halman over f-martinez? halman is a huge bust guy this year imho

isnt elbert a RP now?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

isnt elbert a RP now?

sort of in the same way Diamond is, I think.

by clark on Feb 13, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

25 games

1 start

vs diamond
- 12 games/11 starts

hmm i guess he thinks hes gonna bea SP

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

vitters above wallace also? wow

he relly likes lawrie (klaw doesnt think he can catch or play 2b)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Duos

Also, Feliz/Holland avg ranking 23, Anderson/Cahill avg ranking 23.5. Ha!

by Michael Cave on Feb 13, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

we win

take that paul thomas!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

YES

That is exactly why i wrote that haha

by Michael Cave on Feb 13, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

Martin Perez has wet dreams that someday, maybe, if every second of his life works out absolutely perfectly, he could approach being the kind of prospect James Simmons is.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Actual quote
Perez/Simmons: Perez dreams of being James Simmons in four years. A’s.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

I remember that thread.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Feb 13, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah I have been frequenting that site for a bit but dont post much over there. I would post more but some of those guys are just SO off base it isnt even worth it. I did spend a good deal of time over there though when it was announced the Rangers had the best farm system. Sweet, sweet justice

by Michael Cave on Feb 13, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

~

You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?

by oc on Feb 14, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

6 Rangers

5 A’s
5 Rays

Anybody else in the 5s?

1 Astros. teehee

Dreaming of 2009

by RangerMoto on Feb 13, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

nationals:

56. Jordan Zimmerman, RHP, Nationals
65. Michael Burgess, OF, Nationals
81. Ross Detwiler, LHP, Nationals

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

hey i can hope that the dc team doesnt suck it up

that said, i think kalw said that zimmerman is a # 3 — and burgess was hurt last year + detwiler who knows whats going on there

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Two Top 10 picks in the draft!

You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?

by oc on Feb 14, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I counted five:
11. Cameron Maybin, OF, Marlins
14. Mike Stanton, OF, Marlins
26. Matt Dominguez, 3B, Marlins
53. Logan Morrison, 1B, Marlins
82. Kyle Skipworth, C, Marlins

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I was probably wrong, it is five. I got distracted and couldn’t remember if I’d already counted Skipworth.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a pretty nice list...

no pitching though.

Of course they already have some nice young arms at the ML level.

This could be another one of those years for the Marlins. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they won the NL East or got the WC.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Feb 13, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, those bats

That is quite a collection of boom/bust guys. Maybin and Stanton have great potential but big questions about their control of the strike zone (though people say that about Chris Davis as well). And Skipworth is a pretty typical ‘shoot for the stars’ 1st round HS catcher pick.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 13, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Scary to think that the Rays

have that major league squad and still have enough solid prospects to have five in his top 100.

by jwiscarson on Feb 13, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

its amazing what being dead last out of 30 teams for a solid decade gets ya.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Feb 13, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

They also draft well

Drafting does not equal drafting well. Just look at the Pirates.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Feb 13, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

correcting

Drafting high does not equal drafting well.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

And developing.

Especially their pitching development people. They’re some of the best in baseball (with Atlanta).

by Andy Seiler on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Teehee...poor Fred:
fredlummis
(19295)

I was referring the Astros’ decision to draft Castro (at #10) over Smoak (#11) last June. As an Astros season ticket holder, it’s tough to see Smoak ranked 50+ spots higher less than a year into their careers.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Feb 13, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Poor Fred Astros fans.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 13, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

still wish we had taken porcello

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Feb 13, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

he's probably at UNC if we did.

or wherever he was wanting to go…

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 13, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

why the hell do you assume that?

our 1st rounders dont not get signed. in fact we are one of the few teams that draftees know they can get their fat check from.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Feb 13, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Along those lines...

If we don’t necessarily think about cash as much as talent, then why did we pick someone like Tim Murphy in the 3rd round over a guy like Tim Melville? Some players really do scare away teams, even the Rangers, with their cash demands. Considering the 2007 draft budget was already high, adding Porcello to that would have been borderline outrageous compared to our normal draft budget. Yes, you make exceptions for players, but when you’re having to offer a ML contract with a huge bonus to a high school pitcher, that’s a decision that’s been proven to be far too risky.

by Andy Seiler on Feb 13, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

This makes me giggle
Angels 63 Jordan Walden RHP
Angels 71 Nick Adenhart RHP

by BEW on Feb 13, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

green'd

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

ravis Snider

heh

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Feb 13, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

On Teabag & Max:
ScotMartin


10 catchers on the list and not one of them with the Rangers. Is it Teagarden’s bat and Ramirez’s defense keeping them off the list?

 
Kevin Goldstein
BP staff

Bingo! Like ‘em both. Don’t love ’em both.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Feb 13, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

OT: Mavs

supposedly they turned down Baron Davis for Jason Kidd.

and they are looking to acquire Vince Carter? huh?

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 13, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

baron davis and chris cayman or however you spell it for kidd

and the mavs turned it down. as a rangers fan and an expert on knowing when he sees teams who are going nowhere fast, im glad im convinced NBA is an illegitimate sport.

hey but you can cheer for the lakers and celtics both created championship calibre franchises by giving up jack shit to get the final pieces to their teams…. … go NBA!!

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Feb 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

that whole Gasol trade was one of the most one sided trades ive ever seen. The Mavs got to the level a few yrs back where anything but a title became unacceptable however the notion of rebuilding always seems unacceptable to their owner. Im in the camp that says they just need to tear it down and start over. However, that would be tough because that means that 2010 is probably a lottery pick for the NETS!! Effing Harris-Kidd trade. I think that Cuban thinks he will end up luring Bosh or James here after 2010.

by Michael Cave on Feb 13, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

ROFL
I think that Cuban thinks he will end up luring Bosh or James here after 2010.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Feb 13, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Dwyane Wade is more likely

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Feb 13, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Wade

He can play in Dallas, on the condition that he correct the stupid-ass way his first name is spelled.

As far as I’m concerned, his name is pronounced “dwy-ann,” like Diane, but with a “w.”

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by RCCook on Feb 13, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Al Jefferson

Top 2 or 3 young centers in the league?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

And

While the Bdiddy, Caveman trade is intriguing, I think we were wise to say no. Baron will kill you.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That wouldn't surprise me

They apparently don’t want any contracts that run past 2009-10.

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 13, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Not true

Cuban said he isn’t totally opposed to it, just has to be the right player.. Baron isn’t that player.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Feb 13, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

2010

That trade would have taken them out of the 2010 free agent spending spree and would not have made them that much better this year. Davis is too injury prone for my tastes.

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by DerekSTheRed on Feb 13, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Micheal Inoa.

Sigh…

I hate the A’s so, so much.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

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by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Yep,

is it just me or do you think that the MLB would have looked in to the Rangers for Bean instead of blowing it off like they did at JD’s request for them to investigate the A’s?

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 13, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Budford Selig runs MLB so I'd think there is always a 100% chance of MLB taking the most fucktarded course action.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd probably

suspend Billy Bean for admitting he signed Inoa

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Feb 13, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I look at it this way

We’ve got Justin Smoak, they’ve got Inoa.

That of course eases my hatred of their slight-handed theft of Inoa, or evens the score, but it’s something to tell yourself.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 13, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Er
That of course does nothing to ease my hatred of their slight-handed theft of Inoa, or evens the score, but it’s something to tell yourself.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 13, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Inoa and Hicks/Martin/Wallace (who were our other options, imo) over Smoak and whoever the hell our consolation prize was in the LA market this year.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn’t follow the Inoa thing to closely, I thought the Yankees had first “dibs” on him via verbal agreement, but when he backed out of that they refused to talk with him. Where the Rangers in on him before or after that?

"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.

by OCD SS on Feb 14, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions  

Inoa

The story I heard was the A’s broke the rules and had an agreement with him before they were allowed to. The Rangers were in on him, but his adviser may have been dirty and taken money to steer him to the a’s.

I can’t remember 100% of the details but the thats the gist.

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by rentz on Feb 14, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers also

had the highest offer.

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Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Feb 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers had the highest offer but never got to make it cause the A's had an agreement in place before the "official negotiating period" even started.

Or so the story goes.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.

by thedirkatron on Feb 14, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

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