Monday a.m. things
With camp having kicked off, we are suddenly getting bursts of Rangers stuff on the interwebs...
Jeff Wilson writes about the Rangers' need to get off to a better start this year than they have the past couple of years. Nolan Ryan says that he thinks the Rangers should be able to win 87 games this season, which seems a bit...optimistic, to me.
Wilson also has some notes up on Willie Eyre, Derrick Turnbow, Eddie Guardado, and Brendan Donnelly, along with some comments from Travis Metcalf, whose status (and, likely, his 40 man roster spot) is in limbo.
Jim Reeves has some blog notes from Surprise, including, at the end, the hypothesis that maybe the Rangers moved Michael Young to third base because they wanted to improve the infield defense. You think?
T.R. Sullivan has blog notes from Sunday as well, with Donnelly and Vicente Padilla impressing early.
Sullivan says that, despite having a bunch of former closers in camp, Frankie Francisco is expected to be the closer in 2009. Kason Gabbard has been informed that he'll be in the bullpen, rather than the rotation, this season.
Richard Durrett thinks Andruw Jones makes the Opening Day roster, which would likely mean Marlon Byrd getting moved.
Reeves also has some Nolan Ryan anecdotes, including a story from Ryan about hitting Norm Cash after three Angels were hit by Tiger pitchers, and him leaving the game as a result. Checking Retrosheet, the one time Cash was hit by a pitch by Ryan, he was removed from the game, but it was the 2nd inning, and Tiger pitcher Mickey Lolich hadn't hit anyone (and didn't, allowing just 3 baserunners, all on base hits, that whole game). It was also Jeff Torborg behind the plate, rather than Art Kuysner.
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I don't have really high confidence in Andruw Jones playing CF...
…but I would be very concerned moving Byrd before spring training ends in favor of Jones, and some kind of Murphy/Jones/Hamilton CF platoon. The thought of that makes me uneasy.
by FuturePants on Feb 16, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe there isn't enough time
But, don’t you have a little hope that Rudy can get Jones’ s swing back into shape?
I’m not even going to play the This-is-his-last-chance card, since that didn’t work too well with Tank Johnson or Pacman
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is not like either tank or pacman was horrible on he field
neither wwas “awesome” but they werent flops
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: But most agree they were horrible for the team chemistry
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacman maybe
But from all accounts Tank was and is a great teammate
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I don't see how tank is in this conversation
he played pretty well and his only failing was that he was probably a little overrated to begin with (alex brown does that).
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also thought there was nothing wrong with Pacman's drunk incidident.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was there?
From everything I have read the guy got drunk and got in a shoving match with his bodyguard. A guy forced upon him by Jerry Jones who is constantly with him. I don’t think it was wrong enough to warrant the amount of media coverage it garnered.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
media coverage is irrelevant.
I would say that when you’re on a zero tolerance policy, facing a lifetime ban with another incident, and it takes you less than 60 days to have another incident, yes, something is wrong.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't consider it an incident though
Based on what I have heard reported it was a guy who had a few drinks was feeling good and his bodyguard that was forced upon him started trying to get him to stop and things got heated. He wasn’t at a strip club, there were no weapons involved, there was no drinking and driving involved. Shit like that happens all the time on weekends on lower greenville or anywhere else there are bars. It only gets reported if its Pacman.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
Zero tolerance. Stay out of the news. Couldn’t handle it. He was on probation… drinking.. in public.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zero tolerance was stupid
And again if it wasn’t Pacman an incident like this would never have made the news.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is what it is, but it was, and it did.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is:
Midseason, when everyone should be concentrating on football and winning games and (heaven forbid) making it to the playoffs with an incredibly talented team, Pacman drew the media’s attention and required players to answer questions about him,etc. Huge distraction. The point is, 0 tolerance, don’t cause a scene.
If that had happened with: T.O, Romo, Barber, Witten, Roy Williams…….. it would have easily made the news.
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Tank screamed,
“Free agent!” after the final game… glad to see his heart was in it
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
DT Tank Johnson: Hasn’t produced and screamed “I’m a free agent” immediately upon entering the locker room after the Eagles game. Buh-bye.
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that bad for team chemistry?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is no miracle worked
When a player is done, he is done
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Players aren't normally done when they're 31
by hiafex on Feb 16, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you have talent or you dont
and i just do not think his talent suddently went poof 2 years ago
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about GMJ, De-Ro, Sosa (not great but much better than expected)... just in recent years
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa is a great example
GMJ and DeRo weren’t “has-been’s”. They were the “never-was” players. Sosa on the other hand had his bat speed back according to Rudy and was ready to dominate again. Instead, he showed how clearly done he was as a player and that his 2005 was no fluke. The only thing he had left in him was being able to hit lefties.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if Andruw can play plus defense in CF
…then he is worth keeping on the roster IMO. Like Adam, I don’t put much stock in the small sample size of ST, but I’d think that our guys should be able to get a pretty good grasp on his defensive abilities over the course of the next month.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it ends up that way
I’m not going to cry too much if he plays solid defense while putting up a halfway decent OPS. I think it is completely unrealistic to have any hope he’ll be the Jones of old, but if he is average or slightly below for a CF with the bat while playing good defense then it’s fine.
I just don’t have much hope he can be even average right now on either side of the ball.
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by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing
But I am a bit confused why everyone has counted Andruw Jones as a complete has been. The guy is younger than Michael Young and at his age he’d typically be considered in the heart of his prime. I know he’s been down the last two years with injuries and being out of shape, but is it not possible that a 31 year old could recover and return to form? This is an MVP caliber player who has proven it. Are there no other examples of players who hit a downspell in the middle of their career but rebounded?
by aggiecurt05 on Feb 16, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
A position player’s “prime” is generally from 25-29.
Jones would be in the midst of his decline phase.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the early stages
of his decline phase.
So its a good thing its a NRI and a minor league contract and not a 7 year major league contract.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 16, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sshhh.
Don’t mention that it was a risk-free deal…
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its a risk free deal with no reward for the Rangers
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that makes sense...
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Here are the questions I have then. Do they need another OF and specifically, a CF? Is he replacing a bat that we are expecting to be much worse for him? Can they expect to get anything in a trade if he performs like they think he is capable of? And will he be able to bring back any draft picks if he performs that way?
And just to add to this, I have no problem with bringing him in as an NRI. There is the chance that we get some injuries piling up and I don’t think you can exactly steal playing time from someone in ST. The problem I have is with Jones actually making the 25 man roster.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They could definitely use another CFer
Especially if Byrd is traded. This team could definitely use another RH power bat. If he loses some weight and is injury free, he could be a big boost in terms of defense in CF. They could definitely trade him at the dead-line if he regains any of his prior defensive/offensive skill and that would have cost us what? A minor league deal and cutting the Cat?
I don’t really see a negative since there is a possibility that some of this could occur while your statement suggests that there is a 0% chance of any of that happening.
by hiafex on Feb 16, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does any else
see this a place holder move for Borbon while maximizing the value of Byrd?
Keep Jones and trade Byrd. Then trade Jones and play Borbon.
During that time, the team can allow Davis to become a more constant threat and hope Salty has done as well. Then, by the time Jones is dealt, the team will be back to the same offensive level they started the season.
by laxtonto on Feb 16, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very much so.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like we were able to get such a great return for Bradley last deadline.
And like I said above, this is a risk-free move as of right now, but I just don’t see the reward here. If there is a good trade for Byrd, we can take it and bring Boggs up to be the 4th OF since you guarantee great defense and have him locked up past this year. If there isn’t a good trade for Byrd, then you should just keep him and play him over Jones since you still can get a good deal back at the deadline or draft picks at worst.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he played like a beast, but had injury questions.
no team was going to trade for him during that, and we weren’t going to let him go on the cheap because he was a big reason this team had a HUGE run during the summer. at the end of it all, we all know he should have, based on stats alone, been a Type A free agent. thinking otherwise, could’ve had different trade results. we got screwed.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 16, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think Jones is a safer pick?
Bradley at least was a guarantee to be a great hitter and was the best bat in the AL last season. He also played in 91 games by the trade deadline. It was his August and September that were he had a lot of missed playing time.
And the Rangers weren’t going to risk skipping out on a good trade because of the chance that Bradley would be a Type A. I’m pretty confident that the team knew there was a solid risk in thinking that Bradley was going to be a Type A.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Dye
was mentioned as a comp over on fangraphs
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in 2003
Dye had an OPS of .514
Here is the piece I was referring to.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize they were referring to "best case scenario"
What a steal that would turn out to be
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dye was 30 in 2004
Jones is a couple of years older and has 2 years in a row where he saw a 40-50 point drop in his OPS+. I’d be more confident in Jones’ bat returning if people weren’t thinking he could bounce back last year after a huge drop in 2007.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dye was 30 in 2004
Jones is a couple of years older and has 2 years in a row where he saw a 40-50 point drop in his OPS+. I’d be more confident in Jones’ bat returning if people weren’t thinking he could bounce back last year after a huge drop in 2007.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A return to solid production
is certainly possible, but it would be extremely foolish to count on it or expect it. His number didn’t just decline, they completely dropped off the face of the earth and went hurtling into the sun, exploding in a ball of fire. If most of that was knee and weight related he could emerge Phoenix-like from the flames. I think he’s more likely to just smolder a bit in tantalizing fashion. To expect a 31 year old to approach anything like his mid-20s prime is just silly.
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by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"To expect a 31 year old to approach anythign like his mid-20s prime is just silly"
Not if he’s got Jose Canseco on speed dial.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 16, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest concern...
….is to judge Jones on the strength of his spring. I am uncomfortable with that happenning, so it could be a Sosa situation or it could be a Kevin Mench situation.
by FuturePants on Feb 16, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not at all concerned
with his stats this spring, more about the scouting, how he looks in the field on defense and his approach at the plate. If people like Jamey and MJH say he looks bad and the team is talking him up I’ll get worried.
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by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You regress
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that is
he might look fine in ST, but put him out in CF everyday once the season starts and then his knees crumble 3 weeks into the season. Even if he somehow was in amazing shape and health despite being sent home from his winter league team, its far from a guarantee that he stays that way once the season starts.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have depth
If he takes Cats spot on the roster and that happens then we simply call up Boggs or Golson
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good place to link a great little blurb
further evidence on the value of outstanding OF defense.
I think it might be reasonable to believe Jones could recover most of his defensive prowess if he is healthy and in shape. If so, that would easily place him as a plus CF defender, and well worth keeping around IMO.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't expect a lot from Andruw
wasn’t he playing pretty badly in DR ball over the winter?
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 16, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But since then,
He’s done some workouts with Chipper and McCann
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+ rudy
i think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I read that
but the defensive metrics from last year showed him to be surprisingly good. I don’t think there is much chance that he can ever be an impact hitter again, but I do think there is a chance that he could still be a very good CF defender, and there is value in that.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
and I’m ok with that since I don’t expect much more than that from Byrd or Murphy. I just don’t want Cruz to get pushed out. If they can get something of value in return for Byrd I’m ok with that, too. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves, we need to see how Jones looks on the field.
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by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are enough roster spots on this team
that Jones won’t push anyone out. I honestly think that if Jones makes the team, it comes at Cat’s expense, not someone like Byrd or Cruz.
Now, what I dread is if Cruz starts the season off batting .120 and shows no power or patience, and Jones is hitting well, the inevitable backlash against Washington for actually playing the guy who is playing well.
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends what "well" means
If Jones has a 850+ OPS with good defense, Wash has to play him, disirregardless of whatever Cruz is doing. We can’t ignore that this guy was a stud for a long time.
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is playing
with an 850+ OPS and good defense, I want them in the lineup, regardless of how big a fit Adam throws.
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't even finish
IIRC they booted his ass
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 16, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice linkage. And for the Bourbon haterz:
Throwing is nice, but it’s not running, and it’s certainly not hitting. This is why MLB players are selected based on their bats and their legs, not their arms.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is skeptical of Bourbon
it’s Borbon we’re not yet convinced of.
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by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like both.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I prefer Scotch, but I am a fan of toolsy plussy plus defensive CFers
by Topgun22 on Feb 16, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
right there with you.
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by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm having a great deal of fun...
trying to come up with the list to complete the 1P5T details. Hmmm….
by bking on Feb 16, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know where you are going with this and it's making me laugh heartily.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 16, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could always keep Boggs or Golson as your fifth OF and have another CF'er there.
And if Jones isn’t sound enough defensively to be a plus CF’er, then he shouldn’t be around at all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the feeling I have
I think it will be a lot easier for the brass to evaluate Jones’s CF talents in ST (since it won’t vary too much between now and April) and if they see something they can work with, they’ll be happy to rely on a good spring offensively, even if it means a bad April/May
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Golson
I’d like to see him master hitting in AA before he gets a spot on the 25-man roster. Boggs, OTOH, could probably handle the job.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Feb 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs
Don’t you think if the Rangers felt he could handle CF he would have played there more than a half dozen innings in the last week of the season?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly..
…Boggs’ arm was shot, which was why he was in LF, and he had surgery this offseason.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
I never heard that.
Do you have a link?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
But I was told in September that’s why he wasn’t playing CF.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So he had a secret injury which forced him to have secret surgery?
Who told you this?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, read down below... guess the injury wasn't so secret.
I still don’t remember hearing about him having surgery, but that’s one of those things where if you miss one news cycle you can just never hear about it cause it’s not a huge deal people are gonna mention over and over again.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OF injuries
Yeah, now that we are getting more information, it’s looking like our OF situation could be kinda touchy. Murphy has said that he still isn’t 100, Byrd had microfracture surgery that we never really heard about – so it wouldn’t surprise me if he isn’t 100 all season, and Boggs is recovering from shoulder surgery – which according to Joaquin Arias can be a career killer.
Taking all this into consideration, signing Andruw Jones now looks like a no-brainer move.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 17, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I always kind of thought it was a no-brainer- but I kept my nose out of those arguments. Just reading them made my genitals ache.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing anyone
to an NRI is a no brainer. I really don’t see the downside, no matter how much the player is likely to suck.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was not aware of that.
It sure never looked that way last year.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 16, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He hurt it in August
and missed several games.
Brandon Boggs-OF- Rangers Aug. 19 – 9:24 am et
Brandon Boggs left Monday’s game after aggravating his shoulder injury.
Boggs’ right shoulder flared up after he made a throw to the plate and he exited after the seventh inning.
Source: Dallas Morning News
Brandon Boggs-OF- Rangers Aug. 10 – 6:23 pm et
Forced to enter Sunday’s game after Milton Bradley left, Brandon Boggs went 0-for-2 with two walks.
Boggs was supposed to get another day off because of a sore shoulder, but he was able to DH. It’s throwing that’s more of a problem for him right now. He remains day-to-day.
Brandon Boggs-OF- Rangers Aug. 10 – 9:53 am et
Brandon Boggs (shoulder) was held out of the lineup Saturday because manager Ron Washington didn’t want him to make throws from the outfield.
Boggs was apparently injured last week on a slide into second base. Consider him day-to-day.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, thx
I guess I completely forgot about that.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 16, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
As long as the defense is plus I don’t really care if we get a .650 OPS out of a once a week CF’er.
It’s not like I care about running the risk of effing with Golson’s development.
Barring a ridiculous turnaround he’s never gonna be anything more than a 4th/5th OF and defensive replacement anyhow.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jones #1 purpose
would be to play at least an above-average CF. If he can’t do that, I don’t see him making the club.
I’d rather have Jones in CF than someone like Byrd or Murphy who may be passable but aren’t really meant to play there.
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
except
Byrd’s CF defensive numbers from last year are really really good
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My problem
is that I have no idea how to interpret 57 games worth of fielding stats. That very well could just be my problem and not Byrd’s.
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
release frankie c?
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by PM Productions on Feb 16, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
The Rangers could do that.
But I think if you have a choice of trading Byrd or releasing Cat, trading Byrd may be more attractive, because otherwise, you have Byrd (or Murphy, or Cruz) in a 5th outfielder role that will get maybe 100 PAs.
If you can get value for someone who is hardly going to play, that makes some sense.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cat
Well if Jones shows he is capable of making the roster and making contributions then releasing Cat would basically mean you are paying Jones 6.5 million for a one year deal which may be a little high but not that much if he is in fact bounces back to somewhat close to his former self
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is not a good way to look at it
Cat is a sunk cost. you were going to pay that money anyway. you can either give Cat the 100AB’s or give them to someone else in the starting lineup with Jones taking their spot. adding jones just means adding his salary
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But its just a way to make it easier to stomach releasing Cat. If Jones is good enough to make the team he will probably be worth more than 500K.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you stomaching anything?
It’s Hicks’ money.
by hiafex on Feb 16, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
Id rather not throw away 6 million when Cat is a perfect 25th man for a roster. But if Jones can come in and perform like he has in the past it will make it alot easier to do in my eyes
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cat isn't a perfect 25th man for anything
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
He is perfectly content not playing much not causing any commotion about it. He can play LF if needed. He can play 1B if needed. And throughout his career he has been a pretty good LH PH off the bench. Is he worth 4 mil per year? No. But I would much rather have a guy like him as my 25th man than a young guy who could be playing everyday in AAA and developing or some veteran who is pissed about lack of playing time.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my problem with it
Yes, I’d rather have Cat there than Boggs, whose development time would be wasted.
But it is far, far better to fill that spot with a high-risk, potentially positive-return guy. Worst case scenario, he gives you what Cat gives you – pretty much nothing (and don’t give me the “he can play 1b” – so can Blalock and Salty). Whereas a guy like Jones or any other wild card has at least some potential of doing something and emerging as a decent player. I’d like a 25th man who is trying to force his way into the lineup more often, not content to sit back and watch the games.
You only have people on your team who can help you win now or may help you win tomorrow. A 25 man roster spot is a valuable thing – you don’t just waste it on a guy just because he doesn’t whine about not playing.
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all that
Which is why if Jones is good enough to make the team then essentially you would be paying him 6.5 million which isn’t nearly as bad as paying Cat 4 mil.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jones plays like the 25th man,
He won’t make 2.5M. If he earns his way up the chart, he’ll be worth that much. It makes so little sense to add Cat’s salary to it.
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can put any stiff
in LF, and they’ll be about as good as Cat.
I’d rather have someone who can hit lefties, or someone who can actually play defense, or can bring something this team needs rather than Cat. Cat is a one trick pony who blows at defense, can’t throw, and can only hit righties, and he doesn’t even hit righties that well.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 16, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+3
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 16, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if you traded Byrd
you can still release Cat.
Weak hitting platoon PHs/DHs can be have their spots filled by 4th OF types like Boggs.
At Boggs age, he is probably better off getting 100 ABs at the Major League level as playing daily at the minor league level.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No he's not
Last year was basically a lost year for him developmentally. He essentially made the jump from AA to the majors and then sat on the bench. He could use everyday playing time in AAA at least for the first few months of next season.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played in 100 games...
That is hardly sitting on the bench
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He got less than 300 ABs
That is alot of sitting on the bench and coming in late in games as a defensive replacement
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is him getting experience at what he'll most likely be doing for the rest of his career
As far as the Rangers are concerned
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why
you think the 5th outfielder is only going to get 100 PAs. There are what, roughly 2000 PAs to hand out to the outfielders in a given year?
I see only one outfielder on this team who is a full time player, and even he has a non-trivial shot at having a DL stint at some point. And the team’s DH is a guy who can’t stay healthy for more than a few weeks at a time.
I can fully imagine a scenario where the outfield is Hamilton, Byrd, Cruz, Murphy, Jones, and each guy gets at least 350 PAs.
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
this assumes you can get value for byrd. You would want a farm guy i presume since there is not spot really on the mlb 25 man roster, would like him to be not on the 40 man. What are the chances of this?
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by PM Productions on Feb 17, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nolan is a moron
obviously this team is going to win 86 games…
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
by zkmavz on Feb 16, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Salty and Teagarden say thank you...
Lesson of the day: All pitchers ended their throwing sessions with two pitchouts. Said Washington, "A lot of times in games you ask pitchers to throw pitchouts and they’re all over the place. We want to get them to zero in on doing that. We want them practicing everything they are called upon to do do
by laxtonto on Feb 16, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear
There were a couple of intentional walks last year that were WAY more dramatic than they should have been.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 16, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A pitchout
and an intentional walk are not the same thing to me. I thought they were talking about a pitchout attempting to catch a runner stealing 2B.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, they were two different things
I worded my comment poorly, but what I meant was that, if they’re working on little things like pitchouts, which is a very good thing, hopefully they’ll work on improving intentional walks too.
Or maybe Nolan will just scrap intentional walks altogether, which I wouldn’t be overly opposed to.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 16, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Intentional walks
If a guy can’t play toss from 60 feet then he probably doesn’t deserve to be pitching in the majors to begin with
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if a guy is good enough to pitch in the majors
then he probably hasn’t thrown many intentional walks in their lifetime. not quite as easy as it looks.
by SteveP on Feb 16, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to be mean, bigsteve
but your opinions are bad
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Thats why they are my opinions. Personally I don’t think you should have to work on “intentional walks” in spring training because all it is is playing catch from 60 feet. Working on pitching out is completely different and should be worked on.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just sayin
you say “work on” like they are replacing working on defense with working on intentional walks. It’s just about practicing the little things.
by BuckyB on Feb 16, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, BuckyB
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 16, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
ron washington just cracked an egg of knowledge….nice
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love hearing that
If our pitchers are going to suck, at least stop having them screw up the fundamentals like fielding their position, throwing pitchouts, etc. Its great to see that they’re working on these type of things now.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 pitchouts should god a long way
i’m sure they are doing more but that is just worded in a funny way
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why you gotta hate like that.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
On Nolan's Story....
What about the previous night? Did you check to see how many Angels were hit by Detroit pitching the night before prior to trying to out Ryan for mis-remembering?
by Topgun22 on Feb 16, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I did
I actually performed the exact research the Adam did last night and talked to Jamey about it.
The Ryan-Cash incident was the first game of the series. The last time they’d played, nearly two months prior, Ryan was the starting pitcher, and nobody from either team was hit. Oops. The catcher in question was Art Kusnyer, not “Kuysner” as reported. And as Adam said, he wasn’t catching that night.
It’s certainly not at the same level, but it reminds me of Joe Morgan talking about playing the ‘64 Phillies in the midst of their epic collapse. Turns out it wasn’t true. IIRC, Morgan asserted his claim again in the face of the evidence.
"There's a bailout coming but it's not for you." -- Neil Young
by Lucas on Feb 16, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
I almost didn’t post that because I knew it would result it people bitching about me trying to make Ryan look bad.
Even though if anyone else would have told that anecdote, I would have checked, as well.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate Nolan Ryan?
Is it because he finally straightened out this organization by slapping around Boy Blunder?
/Josey
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
by ghtd36 on Feb 16, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the day
me and my brother attended a double-header where the 2nd game was won with a walk-off 3-run homer by Richie Zisk. We both remember the circumstances the same exact way. Yet we can’t find the boxscore in any historical records. I blame Art Kushyner.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How much beer
did you both drink?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not this game?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX198004160.shtml
It’s not a double header but the Zisk walk off 3 run homer is there
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just stop ab
You’ll drive yourself nutz looking for it.
Game one we lost 0-2 – like a 2-hit shutout.
Game two we won 7-6.
We both think the opponent was probably MIL – I remember their all-star closer was a Latin dude. Zisk was gimpy and had to pinch-hit with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
then I’ll save you the trouble. that game did not happen – so says BR PI finder.
For one thing, Zisk never hit a home run off of MIL in his career.
Now, Zisk had 6 PH home runs. The closest thing is this game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX197904140.shtml
a 2 run PH home run in the bottom of the eigth. Not a double header, Rangers only one 7-5, and no Latin closer.
There is this game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX197906120.shtml
a 7-6 game against the Brewers where Bill Castro blew a save (although he only pitched to one guy) and Richie Zisk pinch hit but all he did was get an out and the comeback was not completed on a HR and again no doubleheader
The only other game I could come up with is this
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX197905042.shtml
A doubleheader, game ending in 7-6 win, but Jorgensen PH and got a double.
BTW, this is all done through Baseball Reference Play Index
Didn’t take me all that long to find these.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I misread BRPI.
Zisk did hit 3 HR’s off of MIL but they were in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th innings
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3HR's with Texas
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zisk hit a HR to deep CF
in game 1 of the DH, maybe that is where the confusion comes from.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is great
Part of my research is on the neuroscience behind why people confuse memories. If two things happen within a few days or even weeks of each other, your mind will just encode them together, so years afterward you’ll swear that they happened at the same time. I just enjoy seeing real world examples of it (people do it all the time)
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
That’s the first thing that crossed my mind when I researched this a coupla years ago. I must be wrong and the records are right. So, with no hint about why I was doing it, I casually interrogated my brother about the game one day trying as hard as I could not to ask leading questions. He remembered it all exactly as I had …
double-header at the old ballpark
attendance was very low
game one was extremely boring – a 2-hit shutout by the opponent
the opponent was most likely MIL, maybe CWS – an upper midwest team
by the bottom of the 7th in game 2 we were down 0-6 and the fans started leaving in droves.
Rangers scored 2 in the 7th, 2 in the 8th
9th inning, Rangers down 4-6, 2 guys on and 2 outs, a gimpy Zisk pinch-hits, works a full count against their hotshot Latin closer and wins the game with a HR to the tarp in straight-away CF.
The few hundred die-hard fans left went absolutely bonkers – remember all the banging of metal stands? clang clang clang
There is a palpable arc to the entire double-header that is chiselled in our memories.
It happened – the records are wrong. We both will believe that to our graves.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it has to be this game
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX197905042.shtml
with most everything else being there except the closer and zisk.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Zisk HR was in game 1 of that DH
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I wasn’t bitching about you trying to make Nolan look bad, rather just asking if you had checked previous box scores since your research turned up a 2nd inning HBP.
But, since you mention it…what other purpose did posting that little nugget of info have other than pointing out that Nolan was telling a false story? I can’t see any other real benfit to posting that.
by Topgun22 on Feb 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heres a little blurb from TR on the Hamilton extension talk:
The Rangers have expressed an interest to Hamilton’s agent Michael Moye and got a positive response in return. No offers have been exchanged on either side.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
who is the pitcher behind
Padilla in the photo from the first linked article?
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Feb 16, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Omar Poveda to me.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Feb 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly. It's kind of blurry and I'm not that good with prospects.
He looks young and Latin American.
I bet Z knows his face by heart.

The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Z has his face in a heart shaped locket around his neck
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
x

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's official.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope springs eternal
Reading that first article really gets me believing in winning the division again this year. I do this to myself every year and think the Rangers can contend, only to get brutally reminded of their sucktitude. Once again though, I’m having to talk mayself into lowering my expectations. I don’t think I’ll ever learn.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Feb 16, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
True
But simply a regression to the mean would suggest we won’t have a third complete kick to the nuts April in a row, doesn’t it?
by FuturePants on Feb 16, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regression to the Mean should be the Rangers' slogan this year
but yeah it’s definately part of the hope.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Feb 16, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB where "regression to the mean" happens
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Feb 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless a kick in the nuts
is the mean…
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Because a swift kick to the nuts out of the gate is the normal for this team. They love going 0-1.
by FuturePants on Feb 16, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels Pitching
I hear that everyone is down on the Angels this year because of their lack of offense. But even without Tex, they were leading the division and they have added Abreu.
Regardless, how often do we scream about the importance of pitching? When I look at their starting 4, I get a reality check on expectations for the Rangers in 09. If its all about pitching, why does the national media question the future (this year) dominance of the Angels?
Here’ s to the emergence of a rotation half as good as the Angels.
"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard
by outofnace on Feb 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Their starting 4?
Lackey is terrific.
Weaver is a LAIE.
Santana is an enigma…he could be great, he could be shaky again.
Saunders isn’t good.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's up with Escobar?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly ahead of schedule
But he wasn’t supposed to be back from labrum surgery until after the ASB.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which in the end
is still labrum surgery
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say labia?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saunders
do we have a pitcher that is his equal?
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison is roughly analogous, imo. Though off the top of my head I'd prolly choose Saunders.
And certainly for ‘09 I’d choose Saunders just cause he’s proven he can pitch at this level and not get his genitals handed to him in a wine glass.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
genitals in a wine glass
Did you just watch Hannibal?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that...
…if healthy, Millwood, Padilla and McCarthy all are.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Basick says they could all win the Cy Young... heh.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is he the former orioles SS?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should read Mike Bacsik,
and no he was the pitcher that gave up the homerun to Bonds that broke the record. link
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had
more “not good, just lucky” pitchers like Saunders around.
by clark on Feb 16, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
while we're wishing
I’d take “an enigma that could be great or could be shaky” like Ervin Santana as well.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or even Lackey...
a “terrific” pitcher
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 16, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donnelly Bears Watching:
Brendan Donnelly brings a veteran’s crusty edge to the bullpen that the Rangers definitely need.
While most everyone who watched him throw batting practice Saturday came away impressed — including club president Nolan Ryan — Donnelly says he didn’t think he was all that sharp.
He also said this is the first time he’s ever thrown live batting practice on the first day of spring training and that he didn’t realize that Ryan was behind the cage, watching him throw, so he obviously wasn’t humping it up there just to impress the Hall of Fame club president.
Interesting.
— Jim Reeves
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Donnelly and steroids
I haven’t seen anybody mention the allegation of steroid use made against Donnelly. Not that a really care one way or the other, but with all of our discussions about steroids lately seems odd no one has mentioned (I forgot about it until just now).
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Monday spring update, rotation all but set:
Manager Ron Washington has targeted the five pitchers he expects to be in the Rangers’ rotation on Opening Day: Kevin Millwood, Vicente Padilla, Scott Feldman, Matt Harrison and Brandon McCarthy.
Team president Nolan Ryan seemed to agree with Washington’s assessment, though both admitted it could change based on spring performances. McCarthy could be the pitcher who has to secure his spot, proving he’s healthy and can be reliable.
Millwood is the front-runner to be the starter on Opening Day, though he and pitching coach Mike Maddux haven’t discussed who will get the ball April 6 against Cleveland.
— Jeff Wilson
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm good with that
still don’t see why they are screwing with Bmac (Feldman should be on the block before him and who would be the guy that replaces either?)
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman
He is out of options. He will get every chance to stay in the rotation based on last years performance. BMac and Harrison both have options. Personally I would have Harrison being the one who has to secure a spot but I guess with BMacs injury history he has to prove he is healthy. If he is he is undoubtably(sp?) the best of the three young guys.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
i assume that feldman can just go to the bullpen
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
He was better as a starter last year than he has been as a reliever. And there would be no point in switching him from a reliever to a starter for one season when you knew full well this logjam would occur last year when you made the decision to switch him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you keep asserting that but
it is a little more complicated. He was a really good middle reliever in 05 and 06 in the majors/minors and never started a game in his pro career until 08. The wheels fell off in 07 as a middle reliever and he was forced to alter his mechanics. Those adjustments allowed him to have a good 3 month run as a starter in 08 before he ran out of gas the last 1 1/2 month. There is no reason to believe that his revised mechanics won’t make him a better middle reliever if he is moved back to that role.
by Goyogringo on Feb 16, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not it at all
Last year at the end of spring training the Rangers made a decision that Feldman would change from a reliever to a starter. Last year was his last with options. I highly doubt they forsaw having to use Feldman in the majors as a starter as early as they did. They knew that this winter there would be a logjam of young starters with BMac, Hurley and Harrison all ready to compete for ML rotation spots and Feldman would be out of options. I don’t think they would make such a ig switch for the purpose of having a guy for half a season only to switch him back due to a logjam that was expected when you make the decision.
And Feldman didn’t wear down the last month and a half. He was a 5 inning pitcher last year who was consistently asked to pitch 6 and 7 innings. As I have shown before take away the last inning or partial inning of his outtings and his ERA is in the mid 3’s averaging just under 5 innings per start. The ERA in that last inning is over 15. He was simply left out too long which for a guy converting from reliever to starter is perfectly understandable.
Hes never going to be a flashy strikeout guy or put up gaudy numbers. But I am confident with a full offseason as a starter behind him he can come in and give us 6+ innings per start and an ERA in the mid 4’s. He isn’t going to have a K/9 ratio above 8 or 9 it may be 4 or 5 but he gets ground balls and keeps the score down generally
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this opinion
needs more paragraphs before I can decide if I agree or not
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 16, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Long posts about topics that have already been covered in detail bore the living shit out of me.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 16, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
large steve has been on the “feldman is out of options’” since July
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Feldman's main problem
Is that he let the middle of the order guys nail him for OPS in the 950+ range. The dangerous hitters just blew him apart. Admittedly thats a somewhat small sample size, but its backed up by his splits based on pitches.
More stamina won’t hurt, but he really has to find someway to not make the middle of the order hitters look like all stars if he is going to be a starting pitcher.
But at this point I’m not sure I’m so dead set that he must be a starter that I can’t envision him being a 1-2 inning pitcher out of the BP.
by JKolar on Feb 16, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can ignore
the change in his mechanics. He was a completely different type of pitcher when he was a RP vs. when he has been a SP.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I live in Seattle...
He reminds me a lot of Paul Spoljaric, the throw in in the Mike Timlin trade with the Blue Jays and Mariners. IIRC, Spoljaric looked really good, but got gassed in the 4th and 5th innings, and subsequently got shelled later on. Some days he would look amazing:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA199808230.shtml
Other days, he looked like an over-exposed middle reliever. Look familiar?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA199809270.shtml
I really hope Feldman is able to turn the corner, but I have my doubts.
by Forstall on Feb 16, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the thing about Feldman that gives me some hope
And most people around here would tell you I’m not exactly the bastion of hope regarding our pitching staff….is that I saw him pitch a couple of different times last year when his fastball was really a plus offering. Of course, he didn’t bring that pitch (actually he throws 2 fastballs that move in opposite directions) consistently – but if he is able to consistently bring his best stuff, he can definitely be a decent rotation workhorse.
On the days that I’m referencing he had a 92-94 mph FB that he could start on the inside corner (to RHB) and it would dart right over the batter’s back shoe laces with real late movement. It was an unhittable pitch that is very, very hard to lay off of. He would compliment that offering with his other FB that moved down and away from RHB much like a very hard slider.
I’m not super optimistic that he will ever be able to make the most of his stuff, but I can say that I’ve seen that Feldman does have some tools to work with, and his history indicates that he may have some development left in him. I think he has a pretty low ceiling, but a legit LAIE is something this team hasn’t developed (and kept) in about a decade or so.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 17, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to do all 5 guys right from the beginning?
Or will the #5 guy get skipped once or more?
by FuturePants on Feb 16, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not too different than last year's expected rotation.
Harrison instead of Gabbard aaaand Feldman for Jennings I think?
A healthy, mechanically sound BMac could go a long ways.
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on bmac
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
Goofing around in centerfield during early BP Monday morning, Josh Hamilton laughed as three flyballs came close to hitting him. He wasn’t laughing when the fourth one bounced right off his noggin.
Hamilton held his glove over his head for a few moments, then collapsed in a heap — jokingly pretending to be seriously hurt. He was back up on his feet, laughing again, within seconds.
Fortunately, none of the Rangers’ brass was watching at the time or we might have had to do CPR on Nolan Ryan.
— Jim Reeves
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
x
Oh, that Josh Hamilton sense of humor. He deked us all out with that “noggin” shot during batting practice Monday. Seems the ball caught Hamilton just above the left hip and not on the head.
“My belt actually took the brunt of it,” said Hamilton, who held his glove on top of his head like he’d been hit there, and then fell over as if he was seriously hurt. "I don’t even think it left a spot.
“Just be sure to write that it was a weak line drive by (Travis) Metcalf that got me.”
Actually, Hamilton got us all.
— Jim Reeves
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
weak line drive by (Travis) Metcalf
Is that a shot?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 16, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 16, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOSH, HE'S DEAD!!!!!!!!!
:)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the red and blue piping on the pants
Looks like freaking Expos pants.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 16, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as a question
i wonder who/if any cuban players are effected by this:
Marisabel is one of thousands of Cubans who have applied for Spanish passports since Spain enacted a new citizenship law in December. Officially known as the Law of Historic Memory, it grants citizenship to the children and grandchildren of Spaniards who fled the country during the Spanish Civil War or were exiled during the regime of Gen. Francisco Franco.
The Spanish government estimates that more than a million people worldwide will become citizens, including as many as 210,000 Cubans, or 1.9 percent of the population of the island. The Spanish Consulate in Miami is also expecting several thousand applications, mostly from South Floridians of Cuban and Venezuelan descent.
For Cubans still living on the island, the new law offers a legal, safe and not terribly difficult alternative to the way so many have escaped — spending $10,000 to ride a fast boat across the Florida Straits, or marrying a foreigner.
Since the law was passed, the Spanish newspaper El País has called the consulate in Havana the ‘’factory of Spaniards’’ because so many people are eligible and trying to take advantage of it.
His office already has set up appointments to interview 40,000 Cubans and is talking with about 220 a day, he said. He hopes to interview 350 a day once a variety of technical problems with the process are worked out. The problems include misinformation spreading through Havana’s rumor mill and an inability to get more phone lines installed in the consulate to handle the volume of inquiries.
The consular staff in Havana was nearly doubled to handle all the work, and Barrios expects to issue between 50,000 and 70,000 new Spanish passports each year the law is in effect.
wonder how many guys use this to try and get off the island
also, this would allow them to not have to “find” another place of residency on one of the other islands before being declared a FA vs having to go into the draft…
should be interesting!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Cuba was a great place to live?
Why would anyone want to leave?
by JBImaknee on Feb 16, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$$$
unless your Yuliesky Gourriel
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever heard/read
what they do to stretch food staples there? Really creative & odd.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, apparently you've never seen one of Michael Moore's hyper-realistic documentaries, cause Cuba = Perfection.
It’s basically a poor man’s Heaven.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen a thing from him.
Can’t stand him, truthfully…he’s an uberdoosher.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 16, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We as fans (generally speaking) may not think they have a chance to win the division
but it’s great to see this:
“We’re going to win eight more games easy,” second baseman Ian Kinsler said. “Everyone in here expects to win the division. There’s no doubt about that. We want to win as many as it takes to win the division.”
and this:
“That’s on the downside,” Hamilton said. “I’m thinking maybe 12 to 15. We have to consistently hit, consistently play defense and consistently pitch better. If any team does that, they’re going to win ballgames.”
That attitude, if it carries over to the starting pitching staff, is what will drive this team towards success in the long term and potentially even the short term. Consider me revved up.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 16, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
they can’t say stuff like – “yeah our offense should still be pretty good, but our damn pitching needs to stay healthy and stop sucking if we are going to be any better than last year”.
The players have to try and stay positive, especially when the media is asking about te team.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Feb 16, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true.
I just think the infection is going to carry over…I know Milton’s gone now, but I keep seeing the rainout slide fest against the Mets with the stadium cheering on the Rangers in my head going into this year…a promising group of youngsters excited about baseball and having fun, and winning games while doing it.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 16, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me is revved!
the tenant of most of the stories today seemed to be teamwork and accountability. I really liked it.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tenor?
tenant?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 16, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
That’s what I get for typing and talking work deals at the same time.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am trying to find reasons why they're not
going to lose at least 90 games in 2009.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 16, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you do for a living?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 16, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what PECOTA projects
I disagree but that’s just me.
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Eastbound and Down
Did anybody catch the premeire last night?
Danny McBride is fucking hysterical. I’m really rooting for this one.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 16, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I heard good things about it today.
I may have to catch it online somewhere.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 16, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Lucas is depressing
The Rangers are 197 games under .500

http://rangers.scottlucas.com/site/Rangerslifebig.jpg
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 16, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heh ... well
Evidence that they can’t make it up in one season! Makes you glad that seasons are rated separately.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 16, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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