MLB adjusting comp rules for Juan Cruz
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 6:05 PM CST
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PrintOkay, we talked before about how Juan Cruz's draft pick compensation status has dampened the market for him.
However, Ken Rosenthal says that the MLBPA, MLB, and the D-Backs have apparently made some arrangements to allow a sign-and-trade, in order to facilitate a deal:
Major League Baseball, the players' union, the Diamondbacks and Cruz's agents are in discussions to facilitate a sign-and-trade involving Cruz while adhering to the collective-bargaining agreement.
Free agents cannot be traded before June 15 without their consent, but the union will permit Cruz and other Type A players to waive that right in advance, according to Rob Manfred, baseball's executive vice-president of labor relations.
Such a waiver would enable the Diamondbacks to trade Cruz immediately after signing him. The D-backs would need to strike a deal within a set amount of time, probably 48 hours, major-league sources say. If no trade were completed, Cruz would remain a free agent.
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Oh, this'll never happen.
Right, t ball?
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Actually
since I posted that and reread the articles I realize they’re not breaking or bending the rules. I thought MLB was actually going to relax a rule, but it’s more like the MLBPA allowing Cruz to consent to the trade, so that doesn’t seem so bad. It still seems a little like changing the rules in the middle of the game.
All of this compensation stuff definitely needs to be reworked for the next CBA.
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Agreed, but I also
think agents of non-elite players made a big miscalculation by not aggressively selling their clients on accepting arbitration.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Feb 16, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
So is this some kind of loophole in signing-and-trading? And if it is, why hasn't anyone done this before?
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
Because previously...
…there’s not been a situation like this.
The closest thing was the Pirates getting a waiver to re-sign Josias Manzanillo, after he rejected arbitration and then couldn’t find a job. That was when the rule was, if you rejected arbitration, you couldn’t re-sign with your team until May 15.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 16, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
who would you trade
Apparently the Twins are interested in Cruz but they don’t want to give up their 1st rnd draft pick (#23). Who would you trade for a year or 2 of Cruz?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
wait
you definitely cannot trade a draft pick still, right?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Hank to the Twins in return for Cruz, whom they traded somebody to the D-Backs for
works in my mind, anyways…I’m sure there’s a special “you can sign and trade a player before they are allowed to be traded after being signed in a free agency year but that player cannot be traded in turn for another 90 days” clause that I’m just not aware of.
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by Walter Sobchak on Feb 16, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
What a coup for Arizona
They basically get to pick a guy who can help them when they want, whereas they may not have gotten anything if Cruz just waited until June.
The interesting aspect to this is that Arizona wouldn’t ever make a move like this until it was 100% certain that he wasn’t going to sign with anyone. They stand to lose 2 draft picks in the deal, whereas the other team only stands to lose 1 – so whatever Arizona gets in return will be worth significantly less than a first rounder, and far, far less than the two first rounders (or 1st + 2nd) that Arizona would get if he signed elsewhere. That means that Arizona has to think that the odds of Cruz not signing is very high.
player
I think this is on the level of a Hamburger that you’d give them. I think Poveda has much more value than next years #2 pick. Perhaps someone like Garr or Zach Phillips is about what I’m thinking they’d get. Course I am Poveda fan #1 so read into that what you will.
I would MUCH rather give up next years 2nd rounder
compared to Poveda.
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That's what I'd think
If Juan Cruz is worth acquiring for 2 years, get him in lieu of holding a 2nd round draft pick. In a transition period for the Rangers, trading away desireable assets doesn’t seem a good idea, while losing a 2nd rounder doesn’t seem to affect either the growth plan or the team’s effort at continuous improvement.
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by Ed Coffin on Feb 16, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
I still don’t see why, if you want him, just sign him. I’d say Poveda is probably as good as the 2nd rounder you lose for signing Cruz and you either: a) get that pick back when Poveda declines arbitration or b) if he accepts arbitration, fine.
Disagree
I think Poveda is too much to give up. Id rather give up a second round pick than Poveda most likely
Agreed
I think with our scouting department, we will get a player equal to or maybe even better than Poveda in the second round. I’d take Robbie Ross over Poveda anyday.
I still don't understand the problem
why can’t Arizona sign and trade him anyway without any special permission?
MLB and the MLBPA need to eliminate some of these stupid and pointless rules.
Look – it’s quite obvious people are either not willing to pay what Cruz wants, or concerned about what he wants plus the cost of compensation
if he signs a deal with is current club and then they trade him – I’m having a hard time seeing how this is a problem
on a related note – I have a hard time believing that some MLB team could not use Orlando Hudson – I guess he’s somehow caught up in the same circumstances
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
What's a 2nd round pick?
The Rangers have had only 2 of their second round picks actually make it to Arlington . . . in the last 20 freakin’ years!!!!
If they want the guy they’ll give up the pick.
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What's a 2nd round pick?
is a good question, considering it has represented completely different pick ranges. Second round picks are connected by name only, not any true correlation.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 16, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Good Point
Robbie Ross was a 2nd, although he’s done nothing yet, I still feel warm and fuzzy that he’s in the system.
Do you think that salary slotting will cause a lot of good, albeit more expensive players, to fall into the second round of the draft more often than in the past? If so, that may make the 2nd more valuable.
Free Frank Catalanotto
No, it's not a good point
Just because the Rangers have not had a lot of success with 2nd round picks lately is not a reason to give them up easily. I’d sign Cruz anyway, but NOT because the Rangers have had bad luck with 2nd round picks. There are always intriguing players available, and in later rounds.
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OT
Barry Larkin’s list of best rookie seasons ever included Edinson Volquez in 2008.
The MLB Network is embarrassingly stupid.
lol
maybe they will add chris davis – 2009 to the list next year ;)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 17, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
LOL, WUT
Makes you wonder if being a star for the Cincinnati Reds guarantees you to have a fate as a dumbass broadcaster after you retire.
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