OT: Mavs Trade Talk
by Agreen07 on Feb 16, 2009 8:06 PM CST
Email
PrintTrade Deadline a few days from now, there hasn't been much discussion about it on here lately...so lets get to it.
Personally, I'd like to trade Jerry Stackhouse for Mike Miller. Not sure if that move is big enough to make the Mavs a contender (could be like Korver in Utah last year) but I think it makes the team better. Stackhouse's contract expires so it makes sense for Minnesota, and Miller's contract expires before 2010 season so we will still have plenty of room to try to sign Bosh or Wade. John Salmons is also another option but I'd prefer Miller. If you make this move you could then consider dealing Howard for another piece that would make sense.
Sure it would be interesting to bring Shaq in here but I don't think that's realistic because if we trade for him, Cuban would have to pay $40 million for him next year (because of the luxury tax).
It's possible there might be another Pau Gasol-type trade this year, especially because of the economy. If so, I'm sure Cuban would capitalize on it.
What do you think the Mavs should do?
172 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I seriously doubt Minnesota will trade Miller for Stackhouse
Stackhouse’s contract does not expire, he has about 2 million guaranteed next year. I’d rather have Miller’s 10 million expiring as ammo next year, then trade him for nothing this year.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I wouldn't wanna trade Bass, personally
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Scott Feldman for 2010 AL Scott Feldman
Is Bass worth more than Antoine Wright was last year?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Unquestionably.
From almost any metric, Bass was better than Wright last year—Bass’ lack of size was compensated for by his better overall game.
Even from an emotional level, he’s more valuable.
by brettgardner on Feb 16, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Me and Chad Ford are on the same page
Trades that must happen,
1. Raptors send Chris Bosh to the Warriors for Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, Marco Belinelli and a future No. 1 pick
Heck of a deal for the Raptors.
This one pisses me off..
4. New Orleans Hornets send Tyson Chandler to Oklahoma City for Joe Smith, Chris Wilcox and Mouhamed Sene and the first-round pick the San Antonio Spurs owe the Thunder.
Chris Paul will not be a happy camper.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
yes
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
For whom?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I'm sure you have some kind of special man-love for Julian Wright
but it’s HORRIBLE coming back here. Tyson Chandler’s not a BAD player, but he’s not special. West and Paul are the motors on that team. If we don’t get a motor in return for giving up one ourselves plus a very good 2nd piece, I’m out.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 17, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
You're right about Julian Wright
Special passer. Big wing span. Potentially great defender and rebounder.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
the Mavs
I wouldn’t do the deal without Bass, much less if you had to give them Bass.
How about this
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Good God no.
That’s not good value at all.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
do you like
Howard more than Barbosa?
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
He’s much more valuable than Barbosa.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
assuming Cuban
wanted to spent the $$, do you think PHX would do a Damp and Stack for Shaq?
If PHX want a little more would you be willing to add Bass?
I’m just trying to figure out how to add Shaq and still get a starting 2 guard. This team badly needs a starting 2 with 0 points coming from Kidd. You can’t have a starting backcourt averaging what, 12 pts/gm…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Well
Barbosa doesn’t qualify as a starter. Too many holes in his game.
The only way to get a starter is to get Richardson.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
surely he
starts over Wright. You might be underrating Barbosa a bit. I think he fits in with this team better than Howard. His PER is better than J Ho and he shoots for a higher %. Now I do think it would be a hit defensively…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
As long as Terry is getting starter minutes, you don’t need a Barbosa who has a similar game.
You need a guy like Wright (though preferably a little better) who can guard the first line 2s and give you a little something sandwiched between Terry’s minutes.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
we r talking
about SHAQ!!!! If you can get me Shaq w/o J Ho I’m in. But if they want a little more than just salary dumps I give them Howard but then ask for Barbosa to lessen the sting.
Now if they want Bass instead I guess I could be talked into that, although I want the Mavs to figure out a way to keep him going forward.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
^^^^
Dan reference right of the top….
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yes!
But I don’t think the Suns would. The reason they would unload Shaq is to lose salary, so I’m not sure how they would react to taking Dampier.
That would be a nice trade for the Mavs, assuming they would take on the salary. I think they might have to throw in Bass too though, which seeing as he’s a FA at the end of the year, wouldn’t hurt quite as much.
Kidd-Barbosa-Wright-Dirk-Shaq with Terry-Bass off the bench is very nice. I know Barbosa isn’t amazing and has obvious flaw to his game, but I think that playing with Kidd (and Dirk) on offense and with Shaq on defense, he can be a valuable player. Minutes wise, I figure he’d be more of a backup to Kidd and Terry as the No. 3 guard.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
To me
Chandler is a very nice player, but essentially, he’s a more athletic Dampier. He’s benefiting greatly from Paul.
The rest of the pieces coming back are all fine in their own right, but the contracts make it too hard to swallow.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
I hope
NO falls on their collective faces…. I would love to watch B Scott suffer after his cocky display last year vs the Mavs.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
We upgrade center
and get our center for the next 8 years. We upgrade their SF. C is more important than SF, so we take back a bad contract in Morris.. but then we feel like were not getting enough, so we must get Wright, also.. and we throw in Bass for good measure.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
what of
Darko and Kyle Lowry for Stack and Bass? what do we need to add?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 17, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
That's fair value
But Lowry is a pretty good defensive point with decent hands and a nice assist/bad pass ratio, but he’s not much for scoring and he’s small.
That equals a very nice backup point and a serviceable backup big. Is that worth the chips we’re giving? I’d rather get one good player than two average ones.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
need
to find someone who wants to re-up Bass and is willing to buy high now in the hopes that it gives them the inside track to resign him.
I personally want to use him as a sweetener in a Shaq deal.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think I have man-love for Lowry.
to me, he’s Randy Foye-lite, and I like that idea. I think Lowry can score more…and would, given the chance. But then again, his shooting percentages have been all over the charts: great 3 pt % with less shots his rookie year, then not so impressive the next two; fantastic FT % first year, horrible 2nd year, then back up above average this year; horrible FG% first year, then improved drastically with more shots 2nd year, now back down to a poor level. I see potential for 35 minutes a night averaging 14 ppg/4.5 rpg/6.0 apg with good FT% and decent FG and 3Pt %. But the biggest thing, he’s young, he’s athletic, and he can get to the rack and set others up well
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 17, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take Salmons over Miller
Miller was at his best coming off the bench. Salmons can play the point, and is more of a slasher which would fit better with all of the jump shooters we have. I doubt any trades of significance happen between now and the deadline though.
However much I may want a trade to happen the NBA deadline has been disappointing pretty much every year since two or three CBA’s ago when they added salary swap rules. They need to revisit the whole system because teams have no roster mobility and are pretty much stuck with their rosters for 4 to 6 years at a time.
Basketball is the one team sport where it really hurts to have such strict restrictions on roster movement. The rosters are only 15 players max and teams aren’t backed by a true minor league system.
After the show I want Greg Oden to tuck us both in and tell us stories about the old days. - Will Ferrell
I strongly
Disagree that Salmons can play the point. He’s at his absolute least efficient and his passing seems marginal at best.
by brettgardner on Feb 16, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I mean he could bring the ball up in a pinch if you really needed him to. But actually play PG? C’mon.
Yeah
There are only a handful of guys in the NBA who absolutely could not bring the ball up and initiate a basic set play. That doesn’t make anyone a point.
by brettgardner on Feb 16, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Word is
Amare will likely to stay now that the Suns are going back to their old ways.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
If i'm the Suns
I hold. Try to make a run at it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
But I'd love to have shaq
Dirk and Shaq would be one of the most dynamic 4-5 combos ever.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
with Dirk feeding them, and Jet popping 3's while Josh runs the floor
wait. who are we trading to get Shaq???
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 17, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Salmons might be the best bet
As a package of stackhouse and a young albeit not necessarily talented guy might at least come close to getting something done. As long as no one outbids you, a deal has a chance at getting done which is more than I can say about miller, who would be nice.
OT somewhat, I just got done finishing bill simmons trade value article before heading over here and I had no idea how bad or long matt carrolls contract is. Who in their right mind would give that guy a 5 year 18 million dollar contract (plus whatever was on there before if he didnt just sign). Conversely, and things like this are why I wouldnt call him a must read, Carroll ranks right behind Diop with the same amount of years but almost half as much in the bad contract column. Hey Bill, they arent that close.
How bout a Smoak and a pancake?
Hmm?
They got almost the exact same deal—the MLE.
Carroll got about 27 and Diop about 32.
by brettgardner on Feb 16, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
But
Carroll’s first year was his highest salary and descends in value every year. Makes the contract much easier to move, which has already benefited them and will benefite us in the future.
So his contract as it stands today is MUCH better than Diop’s.
Trade deadline
I haven’t been this fascinated by a trade deadline in a long time, not only from a Mavs perspective but from a whole NBA perspective.
The looming financial problems should make this trade deadline and next season’s free agency really interesting.
i must have misremembered
I sure would love to add TJ Ford and Bosh then, although not completely understanding NBA free agency like I do MLB what does it take to get a restricted free agent, because I love me some Brandon Roy
by blueballlefty on Feb 17, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
you get a guy to sign with you
and then the team gets 10 days or 2 weeks to match the offer you gave the player. a player of roy’s caliber is going to get a near max contract and will most assuredly stay w/portland. forget him
go here to view my blog: dirtfromd.blogspot.com
by studcrackers on Feb 17, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
yeah i figured
it was a pipe dream, but I have a man crush on that dude
by blueballlefty on Feb 17, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
chances Cuban lures LBJ to Dallas?
10? 2? No way in Hell?
I mean, he already has a freeway named after him…hah hah
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Shaq
He may be old but he can still dominate. Also, it will energize the fan base which is lacking this year.
OT: Shaq's dancing during introductions
What’d you guys think of the jabbawockeez out there with Shaq??
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
shaq was
the best part of all star weekend. had no idea the guy had those type of moves
go here to view my blog: dirtfromd.blogspot.com
by studcrackers on Feb 16, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Bosh might be this year's Pau Gasol
but not so much in terms of what the “steal” would be. The only move I try to make would be to try to get Bosh from Toronto before he enters free agency. if it doesn’t work out, you’ve got him for a year and a half with Dirk, Josh (if you didn’t trade him in the deal) and Kidd. That’d be a pretty formidable group come playoff time. And you still lose his contract and Kidd’s contract by the 2010 deadline…
But what would it take to get Bosh? Would Stackhouse, Bass and Terry be enough to get Bosh and Anthony Parker? Doubtful…but that would be my “Pau Gasol” scenario for this team
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 PM CST reply actions
Bosh will not parallel Pau Gasol
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
No Chance
We could not get Bosh with that type of offer…. We do not have the assets to land him. I’m in favor of trading Shaq for J-Ho and then some how get Salmons.
Kidd
Wright
Salmons
Nowitzki
Shaq
That’s a solid lineup right there.
that's the point of my post
it’s the “free Pau Gasol to the Lakers” kind of trade I’d like to see us make. not that it’s out there. but then again, “free Pau” shouldn’t have ever been out their, either. I f-ing HATE Dave Stern
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 17, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
having a big
who you actually have to defend and who could step out and nail jumpers on pick and rolls and is a better passer than anyone except Kidd would be huge
If he doesn't fit
That’s one thing, but the guy still has a lot of talent left. He’s not at his peak level, obviously, but he’s not completely washed up. Sac is an infinitely better team when he’s on the floor compared to Hawes.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
how can you say Miller isn't good for this team?
The Mavs have never had a center worth defending. Having him would open up a lot for our terrible offense.
I didn't say that, actually.
But our offense isn’t terrible, it’s just dependent. As jthig points out, also, Miller’s defense is pretty questionable.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
his team is -8.5 when on floor, but he plays on a terrible team
with absolutely no defense and gets weird minutes…
Dampier is +3.1
interesting note: Mavs have best winning % with this lineup
Kidd-Terry-Wright-Nowitzki-Dampier – 83.3%
Miller
If we can get him as part of a bigger package (like say along with Salmons) I have no issues with him being our backup center. He would do well in certain matchups and would not get torched by most backup centers.
But Brad Miller is absolutely not someone I would trade our two best trading chips for, on his own. He absolutely could start and play 30 minutes a game for this team because he can not defend. When you play a PF who can not guard the rim, you absolutely must have a center that can for most of your matchups in the NBA.
x
When you play a PF who can not guard the rim, you absolutely must have a center that can for most of your matchups in the NBA.
This.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Tyson Chandler.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Well
If all it took was money, I’d be right there with you.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
You know were not gonna find our next center on the open market.
We have to address the Center position sooner rather than later. Unless Donnie get’s lucky in the draft, were gonna have to give up to get.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Doesn't matter now
Must be exciting to be an OKC fan right now. Garbage trade. Makes me sick, and i’m not even a NO fan, can’t imagine how they feel.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Hornets fans have got to be pissed
what a give up trade
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
OKC is doing some smart smart things.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I may now envy them more than I do the Blazers.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Wonder what that's like..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
are you cryptically bagging
on Nellie? The guy is the architect of what is probably one of the 5 winningest teams in the NBA during his tenure. Look it up, I don’t know how….
He’s drafted two MVP’s(Nash, Dirk). How many GM’s have that on their resume? Is the answer 0? Again, look it up….
He’s been brilliant when it comes to trading “untradeable” contracts(see Juwan Howard) which netted them Van Exel whom was instrumental to those teams.
The Kidd trade is tough but Donnie should get huge kudos for flipping Jamison for Stack and Harris to begin with. And oh, how do you like the trade he pulled to get Jamison in the first place? Fleeced Golden State on that deal.
Bass signing was impressive. Josh Howard is still a great player given his draft position.
Has he missed on some drafts? No doubt. Who hasn’t?
Donnie is sorely underrated my many…
Donnie is one of the top 5 GM’s in the league, look it up!
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
I love Nellie
I dislike Donnie, so far.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
The Kidd deal left a sour taste in my mouth
as did the Walker deal and Jamison (to an extent), but that was probably because I was still feeling the after-effects of NVE playoff magic. I suppose dealing him and his contract with his value at peak for a highly-talented player around his peak was a very good move. Outside those three, he’s made a bunch of great deals (deadline trade for Juwon Howard was a great boost to our playoff hopes at the time, same for Raef and NVE, trading Walker for Jet, trading Jamison for Devin and Stack).
His recent inactivity at the draft has frustrated me a little though, considering how he emerged with two steals in the 03 draft.
JEFF TEAGUE TIME.
Nitpick
Donnie didn’t draft Nash
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 18, 2009 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
I though.....
Donnie was in Phoenix in some capacity when they drafted Nash. That’s why we traded for him because when his Dad brought him over to be GM, he was kind of crazy for the little white backup PG and got his Dad to trade a 1st round pick and Pat Garrity or something like that for him…..I might be wrong though
He was an assitant coach there for 3 years
but to give him total credit for drafting Nash is a stretch IMO. I could be wrong I guess…
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 18, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
lol
Bass signing was impressive?
Why would you think I was bagging Nellie? He’s not our GM. Brandon Bass is the most impressive thing Donnie has done… think about that for a second.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
We've talked about this before
But Bass, Barea, Daniels, Singleton, and a handful of other guys are great bargain-bin pickups for a championship-caliber team with no cap room and in luxury hell.
Failures in the draft are damning, and we’re certainly not making any OKC type trades right now, but I think a lot of the criticism is too much.
by brettgardner on Feb 18, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Failing to realize it isn't a championship-caliber team is the biggest mistake.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Wiki
During his tenure, the Mavericks have won 66% of their games, including four 50-win seasons, two 60-wins seasons, and a franchise record 67-wins season in 2007. The 67-wins season was tied for the sixth-best regular season in NBA history. The Mavericks are also one of just six franchises to win 60 games or more three times in a five year span. Under Nelson, the Mavericks have also made the playoffs seven consecutive seasons, been to the Western Conference Finals twice, reached a franchise milestone in 2006 when they advanced to the NBA Finals, and won their first Division Title in 20 years in 2007.
Not a good GM?
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I can't give credit to Donnie for all of that
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
and
Obviously this ranking was out before the Kidd trade but I dont think that would lower him too far in the rankings.
I think Donnie is a top 5 GM. Where do you rank him?
Seriously, what franchises have been consistently better over the last decade? San Antonio, Lakers, Detroit,?,?,?
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
You're not reading what im writing.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
you said
you don’t like Donnie, so I asked you how many GM’s are better and how many teams have been better over the last 5-10 years. Seems like a reasonable question, which has so far been unanswered.
I’m just trying to understand your belief that he’s not a good GM.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I have no way to differentiate
a Donnie move from a Nellie move during the time period they were both employed by the Dallas Mavericks. I would imagine Nellie had an input into everything. I do know that since Nellie has no longer been employed by the Dallas Mavericks, I have been extremely unimpressed by their basketball operations.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
clearly....
I win. :-)
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
When the long term plan becomes a little clearer
I’ll probably feel a little better.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
They're too smart for there not to be
right?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
keeping Nellie
when he bought the team.
Hiring Avery(right coach, right time).
Spending any and all monies necessary.
Ridding DFW of Frank Zaccanelli.
I can’t think of one thing he’s done wrong. What bad decisions has Cuban made(besides Dancing with the Stars and The Benefactor) ?
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
What exactly do you mean?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Is it the Kidd/Harris trade that irks you?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
That was
fairly monumentally stupid. In general, most of the stronger players in the latest franchise run, like Dirk and Nash, pre-date Cuban.
Get off my lawn.
We peaked post-Nash.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
sorry
Nellie = little whistle in my post above. The resulting diatribe should have alerted you to the fact that I was referring to Donnie, not Big Nellie.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Im judging Donnie
by what he has done post Nellie. That’s the only way I can judge him.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
perhaps you should judge
Nellie post Donnie. Sure GS beat us in the 1st round(kudos to Nellie) but we did go to the finals, and GS has certainly fallen apart this year.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Well, Monta Ellis' injury was a big part of that
They have the ability to get very good, very quickly.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
the thing
I like about Donnie is he’s willing to swing big(drafting Dirk, bringing in Nash, trading for Kidd, trying Stack, Van Exel, Terry, Jamison, et al.)
He’s constantly trying to improve the team, very little standing pat.
Thus far we have avoided a collapse like some of our former foes/piers(Minnesota, Sacramento). Those teams still had talent but were unable to evolve and adjust on the fly.
We may be nearing the cliff but Donnie has kept us from falling off it…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Once again, we know
We know the Mavericks did an awesome job of turning the franchise around when Donnie and Nellie took over basketball operations.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Durant dropped 47 tonight.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Shhh...
…don’t tell the Magic and Cavs that this is a terrible, terrible deal for them.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
well
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
arghh link
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
Damn.
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Kyle Weaver (meh)
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Jeff Green
C: Tyson Chandler
That’s a salty young team.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
and they have something like 5 first round picks hte next 2 years
(pending any draft picks they give up in the chandler deal)
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Which is ridiculous
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
green is listed at
6’9 235, he may have the quickness of the 3 but that size he can play as a small 4. especially to accomodate durant
go here to view my blog: dirtfromd.blogspot.com
by studcrackers on Feb 17, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
He’s only there because he’s a natural 3 and Durant would be used inefficiently at 2. That doesn’t make him a 4 anymore than it makes Diaw a 4 because he’s playing there to accommodate Bell/Wallace/etc.
You can get away with him there—and I should add that Diaw is a general exception because he has the ability to play all positions to varying degrees—but that shouldn’t be the goal. Certainly he won’t embarrass you, but my guess is that Green should be traded. Somebody else suggested this a couple months ago and I’ve come around.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Green for Aldridge
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
no way portland would do that
especially with a solid 3 in Outlaw
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
All they talk about is upgrading at SF
But OKC has picks to deal as well, lots of them.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I'm not convinced you can't have Green- Durant 2-3
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Yeah
There must be some reason, though, because that almost never happens.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of 2s
What is this nonsense of Sac being interested in McCants?
Do they not already have enough at 2?
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I got nothin
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Looking at 82games.com
They have 5 man units, says Green-Durant 2-3 is their 3rd most used combo. I think, lately, they’re just trying to get their best young players on the floor as much as possible for development purposes. If I’m OKC, I make a strong push to sign Rasheed Wallace this offseason, It’s the perfect fit.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
What about...
JHo for Raymond Felton & Raja Bell, provides a little toughness and defense and a young guy we could put at the 2.
Don't bring opinions to a fact check debate.
No.
I doubt I’d do this, but here’s a better one with the same principals:
Howard, Stack, and Bass
for
Bell, Diaw, and Felton
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
In a heartbeat.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Who would trust
T-Mac’s creaky knees these days? But I guess if you want to get rid of Carter’s contract…
JEFF TEAGUE TIME.
holy shit
The Suns have 112 points….. there’s 2:33 left in the 3rd quarter.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
oh and they're up by 47
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I'm not watching the game
but how bad is the D by the Clippers? Are they even putting a hand up? Or are the Suns just shooting the lights out with lasers?
126-78 with 7 minutes left, garbage time too.
JEFF TEAGUE TIME.
I didn't watch either
But I would imagine Mike Dunleavy is next on the chopping block.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I can't believe
He’s hung around this long.
by brettgardner on Feb 17, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
See Elgin Baylor
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
He's got a lot of money left on his contract
Clips are too cheap to fire him and still pay him
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 18, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
link?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6268327.html
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 18, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
ew
microfracture
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
If that's the case
there go the Carter to Houston rumours. That other trade involving Artest, Battier, Head and someone else isn’t very good especially considering how Darryl Morey values Shane.
JEFF TEAGUE TIME.
Can we get Caron Butler?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
the wiz are AWEFUL
i would much rather pay the ~30-35 and see the capitals than pay anything to see the wiz
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 18, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
That's ridiculous
I was looking for this video last night. I didn’t see any of the game leading up to that, but that was pretty ghetto fabulous
The best part
Is that not a week before, he was pouting about NY not wanting him.
by brettgardner on Feb 18, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I hadn't seen that.
That’s got to be at least a three-game suspension, right?
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
At least.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
When bad things
happen to good people…
which for some reaon reminded me of:
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 18, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions
Can we get Caron Butler?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by octoberty on Feb 18, 2009 1:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Salmons, Miller reportedly off the market
TNT’s David Aldridge is reporting that the Kings have agreed to send center Brad Miller and swingman John Salmons to the Bulls in exchange for forwards Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Solid move for the Bulls getting rid of Nocioni's contract
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
